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Jeb Bush speaks out against Ariz. law
By: Jonathan Martin
April 27, 2010 03:15 PM EDT
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush is speaking out against the new hard-line immigration law in Arizona, becoming the first prominent national Republican to do so.
"I think it creates unintended consequences," he said in a telephone interview with POLITICO Tuesday. "It's difficult for me to imagine how you're going to enforce this law. It places a significant burden on local law enforcement and you have civil liberties issues that are significant as well."
The measure, signed into law last Friday, would require police to check the immigration status of any individuals they reasonably suspect are illegal immigrants and arrest them if they can't prove legal status.
Bush said he understood the anger that prompted the bill, but that immigration should remain a federal issue.
"I don't think this is the proper approach," he said.
The former governor recounted how, after he gave a speech Monday night in California, he was approached by a Hispanic man who was concerned about the measure leading to racial profiling and unfair targeting of Latinos.
"He said, 'My parents live here, my grandparents live here — I'm Mexican-American,'" Bush recalled, adding that the man said, "'I could be picked up.'"
Like his brother the former president, Bush is a supporter of comprehensive immigration reform. He said the new law underscores the necessity for such federal legislation — what he called "an opportunity not a problem." On Thursday, Bush will join other conservative leaders on an open-press conference call to renew the push for the stalled legislation.
Bush's comments came on the same day that former Florida Speaker and Senate candidate Marco Rubio also came out in opposition to the Arizona law.
Rubio, whose parents were Cuban immigrants, said the legislation could "unreasonably single out people who are here legally, including many American citizens."
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Jeb is one of the wisest voices in the party. If it wasn't for the damage that Dubya did to the name, Jeb would be, BY FAR, the top candidate for 2012.
Jeb joins Tom tancredo, one of the highest rated conservative Republicans, along with conservative stalwart Bill Kristol in doubting this bill.
i guess we'll just call Jeb a lib now.
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Other than GW and myself, how many of you have passed the bar exam?
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Obama passed the bar exam.
in Kenya... ;D
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Obama passed the bar exam.
in Kenya... ;D
240 - does it both you that I have tried more cases in the last month than he did in his entire career?
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Do you believe you know more about Constitutional Law than barack Obama, 333386?
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George Bush is against the Bill as well I am sure. Both are also for Amnesty, and both are very wrong.
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George Bush is against the Bill as well I am sure. Both are also for Amnesty, and both are very wrong.
LOL yes according to 240 real conservatives are for amnesty... ;)
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this is where the issue gets confusing.
Many of the people who SUPPORTED AMNESTY also SUPPORT THIS BILL.
Palin, Mccain, etc.
People like Tancredo, we were very much against Amnesty, are also against this bill. This is why I believe we will see this as a RINO bill in a few weeks. All of the true conservative types are rejecting it.
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Meh. He's wrong. And the article is misleading:
"The measure, signed into law last Friday, would require police to check the immigration status of any individuals they reasonably suspect are illegal immigrants and arrest them if they can't prove legal status."
This omits the fact police must first make "lawful contact" with a person.
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Do you believe you know more about Constitutional Law than barack Obama, 333386?
I know an equal amount without any doubt in my mind.
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Like i said 240 is having his Palins' Baby 2010 moment with this.
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this is where the issue gets confusing.
Many of the people who SUPPORTED AMNESTY also SUPPORT THIS BILL.
Palin, Mccain, etc.
People like Tancredo, we were very much against Amnesty, are also against this bill. This is why I believe we will see this as a RINO bill in a few weeks. All of the true conservative types are rejecting it.
So far, I see one conservative against this: "Tancredo" and he is flat out wrong, as are you 240.
I bet if that Rancher who was murdered by Illegals on his own property had been related to you, you might see this differently, but maybe not, as you have been brainwashed by MSNBC.
FYI neither George or Jeb are Conservatives.
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Meh. He's wrong. And the article is misleading:
"The measure, signed into law last Friday, would require police to check the immigration status of any individuals they reasonably suspect are illegal immigrants and arrest them if they can't prove legal status."
This omits the fact police must first make "lawful contact" with a person.
He's "wrong" about what?
Are you saying it would unlawful to stop them soley for suspicion of being an illegal alien? (I've heard this argument but I want to clarify that is what you are saying)
btw - the exact same misleading statement is in Newmax today too
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Jeb is one of the wisest voices in the party. If it wasn't for the damage that Dubya did to the name, Jeb would be, BY FAR, the top candidate for 2012.
Jeb joins Tom tancredo, one of the highest rated conservative Republicans, along with conservative stalwart Bill Kristol in doubting this bill.
i guess we'll just call Jeb a lib now.
Oh shut the fuck up..... I saw this as a rare moment I would agree with him. you turn him into a fucking hero over it. WTF 240?
Ok, busting balls, you know I love ya ;D
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:P I love this place. We'd have fun debating and drinking together.
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He's "wrong" about what?
Are you saying it would unlawful to stop them soley for suspicion of being an illegal alien? (I've heard this argument but I want to clarify that is what you are saying)
btw - the exact same misleading statement is in Newmax today too
you cannot stop someone for being mexican...how would you know just watching someone that they are illegal?
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hahah OMG... obama said they can pull ppl from ice cream lines with their kids for being hispanic... LOL he's been reading my posts!
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you cannot stop someone for being mexican...how would you know just watching someone that they are illegal?
yep but there won't be any shortage of reasons to stop someone
frankly I have mixed feelings about this law
I don't think it's necessary but I also don't see any problem with LE checking legal status if they have stopped someone for a legitimate reason. To be fair they should just ask everyone, white, black, green, purple, old ladies, little kids, etc...
I think this law is unnecessary and just opens the door for all kinds of potential abuse
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hahah OMG... obama said they can pull ppl from ice cream lines with their kids for being hispanic... LOL he's been reading my posts!
LOL did he really?
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yep but there won't be any shortage of reasons to stop someone
frankly I have mixed feelings about this law
I don't think it's necessary but I also don't see any problem with LE checking legal status if they have stopped someone for a legitimate reason. To be fair they should just ask everyone, white, black, green, purple, old ladies, little kids, etc...
I think this law is unnecessary and just opens the door for all kinds of potential abuse
well if the reasons they are stopping them are legal then what the fuk is the problem?
any law can be abused by law enforcement...I see your point on asking everyone but to me that would be fascist this law is simply asking ppl that arouse suspicion nothing more than any other law on the books.
ppl are afraid b.c it could be abused...by that logic we shouldnt have any laws since they all have been abused at one time or another...
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well if the reasons they are stopping them are legal then what the fuk is the problem?
any law can be abused by law enforcement...I see your point on asking everyone but to me that would be fascist this law is simply asking ppl that arouse suspicion nothing more than any other law on the books.
ppl are afraid b.c it could be abused...by that logic we shouldnt have any laws since they all have been abused at one time or another...
how would that be fascist?
we screen everyone who get's on a plane regardless of whether they look like a terrorist or not
how does the cop know the white person he pulled over is not a illegal alien from Canada?
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how would that be fascist?
we screen everyone who get's on a plane regardless of whether they look like a terrorist or not
how does the cop know the white person he pulled over is not a illegal alien from Canada?
I agree but we choose to fly a plane more so than we have choosen to be Americans...
I agree and if that white person gives the officer reasons to believe they are illegal than they should ask for proof...just like if the person they pulled over was asian, black or hispanic...
ppl want to make this a mexican issue...its not its an illegal immigrant issue, its not the point of the bill to focus on mexicans its just that the majority of illegals are mexican...
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I agree but we choose to fly a plane more so than we have choosen to be Americans...
I agree and if that white person gives the officer reasons to believe they are illegal than they should ask for proof...just like if the person they pulled over was asian, black or hispanic...
ppl want to make this a mexican issue...its not its an illegal immigrant issue, its not the point of the bill to focus on mexicans its just that the majority of illegals are mexican...
the real issue is the illegal employment of illegal immigrants
crack down on the reason why they are here and the problem takes care of itself
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the real issue is the illegal employment of illegal immigrants
crack down on the reason why they are here and the problem takes care of itself
(This is not meant soley for you straw as Ive heard this time and time again since this law was passed)
OMG would you ppl please stop parroting that...
educate yourselves on the issue the entire issue with illegals
First you will never EVER EVER EVVEEERRRRR be able to eliminate work for illegals...you may be able to limit it but not eliminate it
what if they have a baby in the states? why leave when they can recieve welfare?
what of those who dont work? dont work legally?
there are self sustainging communiteies of illegals
what of those that are living with legal immigrants?
that is simply one part of a multiple part approach of which finding the illegals in society and deporting them is another...
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all valid points but what does that have to do with the primary reason that people come to this country illegally?
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I already said that was part of the equation... ;)
which country would you rather be homeless in straw?
if you know that you can sneak into the states have a baby and they cant kick you out...you can recieve welfare...what would you do?
its assinine to think that illegals would stop coming here if they couldnt get work...even if there were only a few companies hiring illegals which will be the case b/c like I said you wont be able to eliminate all hiring of illegals...
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Many are here to gang bang and sell drugs and leech off the system.
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I already said that was part of the equation... ;)
which country would you rather be homeless in straw?
if you know that you can sneak into the states have a baby and they cant kick you out...you can recieve welfare...what would you do?
its assinine to think that illegals would stop coming here if they couldnt get work...even if there were only a few companies hiring illegals which will be the case b/c like I said you wont be able to eliminate all hiring of illegals...
is this why illegal people are here?
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Many are here to gang bang and sell drugs and leech off the system.
really ?
here's an idea
why don't we just arrest them for the gangbanging and selling drugs
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yes he really said that... hilarious... pull a hispanic out of line buying ice cream with his kid. LMAO.
Obama is SO going after the hispanic vote on this one.
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I wonder why 240.
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(This is not meant soley for you straw as Ive heard this time and time again since this law was passed)
OMG would you ppl please stop parroting that...
educate yourselves on the issue the entire issue with illegals
First you will never EVER EVER EVVEEERRRRR be able to eliminate work for illegals...you may be able to limit it but not eliminate it
what if they have a baby in the states? why leave when they can recieve welfare?
what of those who dont work? dont work legally?
there are self sustainging communiteies of illegals
what of those that are living with legal immigrants?
that is simply one part of a multiple part approach of which finding the illegals in society and deporting them is another...
"According to Princeton political scientist Douglas Massey, the number of illegal immigrants dropped by 100,000 in Arizona over just the last year and has fallen from 12.6 million in 2008 to 10.8 million in 2009 countrywide, as the recession means fewer jobs for immigrants and U.S. citizens alike."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100427/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1812
What is the new law going to solve if you continue to hire illegals? Even if 100,000 illegals in Arizona get deported as a result of this law, they'll be back. You are only wasting money and resources. Detaining and deporting illegals is not cheap, and they'll be back.
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is this why illegal people are here?
some yes...
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"According to Princeton political scientist Douglas Massey, the number of illegal immigrants dropped by 100,000 in Arizona over just the last year and has fallen from 12.6 million in 2008 to 10.8 million in 2009 countrywide, as the recession means fewer jobs for immigrants and U.S. citizens alike."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100427/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1812
What is the new law going to solve if you continue to hire illegals? Even if 100,000 illegals in Arizona get deported as a result of this law, they'll be back. You are only wasting money and resources. Detaining and deporting illegals is not cheap, and they'll be back.
youre misunderstanding again loco...
I and as far as Im can see nobody is saying not to go after the companies hiring them. What we are saying is that only going after the companies hiring them will not eliminate the problem for the reasons ive listed and many others. You seem to only want to go after the comanies that hire them but again that alone will not eliminate the problem just like this law alone will not eliminate the problem...
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I'm sure MS13 is here to pick lettuce and clean toilets.
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333386,
Why do you bring up MS13? That gang originated in LA, then spread to Central America. Most members in the US are probably native born American citizens. Immigration laws are not the way to deal with MS13. You already have laws to deal with domestic criminals. It's totally off the subject.
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Not all illegals are here to work. Many are here to commit crimes, deal drugs, leech off the system, drop anchor bombs in the maternity wards, and otherwise scam the system.
I have a friend who is a NARC Detective and deals with tons of mexican and south american gangs littered with illegals and he told me this is exactly the type of law he would need to rid the streets of these vermin since when he arrests themfor dealing drugs, he cant inquire on their immigration situation.
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Not all illegals are here to work. Many are here to commit crimes, deal drugs, leech off the system, drop anchor bombs in the maternity wards, and otherwise scam the system.
I have a friend who is a NARC Detective and deals with tons of mexican and south american gangs littered with illegals and he told me this is exactly the type of law he would need to rid the streets of these vermin since when he arrests themfor dealing drugs, he cant inquire on their immigration situation.
Great! Those particular illegal immigrants are giving authorities plenty of reason to arrest and deport them. There are plenty of laws already in the books to deal with them.
The problem the US is having with illegal immigration is with the hundreds of thousands who are not committing those crimes, the ones that are being hired by Americans. Their only crime is being in the US illegally.
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He cant do that since local police are banned from inquiring on the immigration situation. Its only once they go to jail or through the detainment process that a possible "immigration detainer" is put on the suspect abnd even then that really doesnt do anything since they get bail and take off.
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Loco your not very up on your gang history are you?
MS13 was started by a bunch of El Salvadorians in LA ( most were here illegally) that had fought as left wing guerrellas in the military coup that happened in El Salvador during the early 80's. There have been numerous stories posted on this board outlining how some cities ( like San Francisco) have actually arrested MS13 members that were in the country illegally but refused to turn them over to ICE and eventually let them go. There have been dozens of cases where deported MS 13 members have snuck back across the border and arrested again. In El Salvador today MS 13 is almost as powerful as the Central government of the country itself. They are also one of the most powerful gangs in the US prison system and they work hand in hand with the Mexican Cartels to bring drugs and weapons into this country. Dealing with an extremely violent international gun and drug trafficking criminal enterprise with a large number of members being in the US illegally through domestic criminal law is a stupid idea. It's almost as stupid as using criminal domestic law to deal with terrorism.
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He cant do that since local police are banned from inquiring on the immigration situation. Its only once they go to jail or through the detainment process that a possible "immigration detainer" is put on the suspect abnd even then that really doesnt do anything since they get bail and take off.
All those crimes you mention are pretty serious. If they manage to get out of jail before their status in the country is verified, there are bigger problems with your legal system than the immigration problem itself.
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Yes, but if they were not here in the first place it would not be as bad. Sort of like this stupid debate between Whorealdo and BOR. Whorealdo is cluelsss.
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Loco your not very up on your gang history are you?
MS13 was started by a bunch of El Salvadorians in LA ( most were here illegally) that had fought as left wing guerrellas in the military coup that happened in El Salvador during the early 80's. There have been numerous stories posted on this board outlining how some cities ( like San Francisco) have actually arrested MS13 members that were in the country illegally but refused to turn them over to ICE and eventually let them go. There have been dozens of cases where deported MS 13 members have snuck back across the border and arrested again. In El Salvador today MS 13 is almost as powerful as the Central government of the country itself. They are also one of the most powerful gangs in the US prison system and they work hand in hand with the Mexican Cartels to bring drugs and weapons into this country. Dealing with an extremely violent international gun and drug trafficking criminal enterprise with a large number of members being in the US illegally through domestic criminal law is a stupid idea. It's almost as stupid as using criminal domestic law to deal with terrorism.
As of today, how many MS13 members in the US are there illegally?
After deporting illegal immigrants belonging to MS13, what keeps them from coming right back?
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Hang on, let me pull an exact number out of thin air. ::) Everything I posted comes directly off of that TV show gangland on the History Channel and a few news clippings lol. I don't have the exact numbers availible, although Im sure the FBI has stats like that on file.
And with respect to your second question, the answer is nothing! That is exactly why the Feds should STFU about the Arizona law and try doing their jobs better.
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333386,
Why do you bring up MS13? That gang originated in LA, then spread to Central America. Most members in the US are probably native born American citizens. Immigration laws are not the way to deal with MS13. You already have laws to deal with domestic criminals. It's totally off the subject.
ms13 originated in LA from salvadoran immigrants... :-X
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For the record, I agree that every country should deport illegal immigrants and keep them out. It is lawful Latino American citizens, and the potential for a police state that I'm worried about with Arizona's new law.
About MS13, I feel for you guys! You've got a serious problem:
Gang Uses Deportation to Its Advantage to Flourish in U.S.
In the last 12 years, U.S. immigration authorities have logged more than 50,000 deportations of immigrants with criminal records to Central America, including untold numbers of gang members like Cruz-Mendoza.
But a deportation policy aimed in part at breaking up a Los Angeles street gang has backfired and helped spread it across Central America and back into other parts of the United States. Newly organized cells in El Salvador have returned to establish strongholds in metropolitan Washington, D.C., and other U.S. cities. Prisons in El Salvador have become nerve centers, authorities say, where deported leaders from Los Angeles communicate with gang cliques across the United States.
A gang that once numbered a few thousand and was involved in street violence and turf battles has morphed into an international network with as many as 50,000 members, the most hard-core engaging in extortion, immigrant smuggling and racketeering. In the last year, the federal government has brought racketeering cases against MS-13 members in Long Island, N.Y., and southern Maryland.
Across the country, more than 700 MS-13 members have been arrested this year under a new enforcement campaign that U.S. immigration authorities say will lead to more serious cases and longer sentences for gang members before they are deported.
"Ultimately, our job here is to enforce the immigration laws and then remove [criminal gang members] from the country," said John P. Torres, the acting director overseeing detention and removals for the Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. But for a sizable number of MS-13 members, deportation is little more than a taxpayer-financed visit with friends and family before returning north.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gang30oct30,0,7353881,full.story
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As of today, how many MS13 members in the US are there illegally?
After deporting illegal immigrants belonging to MS13, what keeps them from coming right back?
EXACTLY THE POINT WERE TRYING TO MAKE!!!!!!!!!
you need to secure the borders AS WELL as deport illegals AS WELL as go after companies that hire them...
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ms13 originated in LA from salvadoran immigrants... :-X
Okay, I was wrong about hem being native born American citizens. But were they illegal immigrants, green card holders, or Naturalized American citizens?
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how do you figure we deport illegals if youre against us asking for papers during a lawful investigation of a crime?
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EXACTLY THE POINT WERE TRYING TO MAKE!!!!!!!!!
you need to secure the borders AS WELL as deport illegals AS WELL as go after companies that hire them...
And I'm all for that, but this new law is not the way to go about it. Unless you start asking all American residents for proof of status, then it would not be unfair to Latinos.
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Loco no offense, but I don't think that the charter members of MS13 made their immigration status a matter of public record. As the article you posted above alluded to, it doesn't matter if they were here legally or not. The bottom line is that now ( mostly due to the joke that has become the enforcement of American Immigration laws) illegal MS13 gang members are a problem.
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Okay, I was wrong about hem being native born American citizens. But were they illegal immigrants, green card holders, or Naturalized American citizens?
iono about the founders but the very fact that their gang members are being deported shows that many in the gang are illegals...you think these guys have day jobs? you think they will up and leave if they cant find legit work?
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And I'm all for that, but this new law is not the way to go about it. Unless you start asking all American residents for proof of status, then it would not be unfair to Latinos.
NOOOO IT WOULDNT b/c this law is not based on race...
if it said that all latinos or latino looking ppl must present papers upon request then it would target latinos...
what you cant seem to come to grips with loco is that the majority VAST majority of illegals in this country are mexican.
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iono about the founders but the very fact that their gang members are being deported shows that many in the gang are illegals...you think these guys have day jobs? you think they will up and leave if they cant find legit work?
No, but the great majority of illegals will leave voluntarily if you stop hiring them. Funny how you guys are lumping together all the gang members with the cheap labor immigrants. ::)
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The two are often intertwined and are in the same communities and travel in the same circles. There are many areas in this country where you wont even hear a word of English spoken.
Imagine if in Venzuela there were large swaths of illegal Chinese who refuses to learn spanish, but had lots of Triads and gangs, dealing dope, demanding rights, etc etc from within?
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No, but the great majority of illegals will leave voluntarily if you stop hiring them. Funny how you guys are lumping together all the gang members with the cheap labor immigrants. ::)
im not lumping anybody in with them...
but many of the gang members are cheap labor immigrants... ::) take it from a person who has worked in manual labor in one of the biggest immigrant cities in the country...
again how would you find the illegals if youre not able to ask for proof of citizenship?
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iono about the founders but the very fact that their gang members are being deported shows that many in the gang are illegals...you think these guys have day jobs? you think they will up and leave if they cant find legit work?
The very fact that their gang members are being deported shows that you are already dealing with this problem using current laws, without the need for Arizona's new law.
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Just for the record, all of this unpleasantness could have been avoided more than 25 years ago. Texas tried to pass a law which prevented the children of illegals from receiving free public schooling. The court of appeals struck the law by a slim margin, but think about it- By preventing basic services to illegals and enforcing the immigration laws on the books, why would any of them come to this country? If that court decision had gone differently similar legislation was sure to follow and by now illegals would get zilch from the tax payer.
Of course bleeding hearts prevailed in TX and today we are still paying the price.
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The very fact that their gang members are being deported shows that you are already dealing with this problem using current laws, without the need for Arizona's new law.
LOL SO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEM TO BREAK THE LAW BEFORE WE CAN DEPORT THEM FOR BREAKING THE LAW?
does that make sense to you?
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LOL SO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEM TO BREAK THE LAW BEFORE WE CAN DEPORT THEM FOR BREAKING THE LAW?
does that make sense to you?
I should clarify,
we have to wait for them to commit another crime before we can punish them for commiting the first crime?
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LOL SO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEM TO BREAK THE LAW BEFORE WE CAN DEPORT THEM FOR BREAKING THE LAW?
does that make sense to you?
You have to wait for gang members to break the law? That's not a long wait, is it?
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You have to wait for gang members to break the law? That's not a long wait, is it?
lol you twist and turn loco...
thats not the point...if they are in this country illegally they are ALREADY BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so youre stance is as long as you dont break any other laws its ok to break the first one?
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You have to wait for gang members to break the law? That's not a long wait, is it?
if we found them and deported them b/c of the first law they broke we wouldnt need to wait for them to kill someone, sell drugs, beat someone up, extort someone, rape women, recruit young kids...
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lol you twist and turn loco...
thats not the point...if they are in this country illegally they are ALREADY BREAKING THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so youre stance is as long as you dont break any other laws its ok to break the first one?
if we found them and deported them b/c of the first law they broke we wouldnt need to wait for them to kill someone, sell drugs, beat someone up, extort someone, rape women, recruit young kids...
Then we get back to my point. Why bring up Latino gang members with no jobs who kill and deal drugs when it looks like you are already dealing with them by your current laws, without the new Arizona law?
So the new Arizona law is for dealing with illegal immigrants hired by Americans who don't kill and don't deal drugs?
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Loco your not very up on your gang history are you?
MS13 was started by a bunch of El Salvadorians in LA ( most were here illegally) that had fought as left wing guerrellas in the military coup that happened in El Salvador during the early 80's. There have been numerous stories posted on this board outlining how some cities ( like San Francisco) have actually arrested MS13 members that were in the country illegally but refused to turn them over to ICE and eventually let them go. There have been dozens of cases where deported MS 13 members have snuck back across the border and arrested again. In El Salvador today MS 13 is almost as powerful as the Central government of the country itself. They are also one of the most powerful gangs in the US prison system and they work hand in hand with the Mexican Cartels to bring drugs and weapons into this country. Dealing with an extremely violent international gun and drug trafficking criminal enterprise with a large number of members being in the US illegally through domestic criminal law is a stupid idea. It's almost as stupid as using criminal domestic law to deal with terrorism.
If MS13 members are in prison and many have been deported, it's evident that you are already dealing with them through existing domestic criminal law, without the need for Arizona's new law.
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No we are not. Our border is like a sive.
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No we are not. Our border is like a sive.
How is the new Arizona law dealing with the border?
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Its part of it since the illegals coming over and committing crimes are more likely to go to other sectors for crossing.
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Then we get back to my point. Why bring up Latino gang members with no jobs who kill and deal drugs when it looks like you are already dealing with them by your current laws, without the new Arizona law?
So the new Arizona law is for dealing with illegal immigrants hired by Americans who don't kill and don't deal drugs?
LOL no bro many gang members are day laborers as well...
the new arizona laws is dealing with illegal immigrants it doesnt differentiate between gang members and non gang members...it deals with illegal the KEY TERM BEING ILLEGAL immigrants...
I didnt bring up gang members bro Im just correcting your misconceptions about them but as I can see from your view of this law, your refusal to educate yourself on it, and your refusal to stop citing factually wrong talking points of those opposed to it...I can see that my time has been wasted...
have fun bro...
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Its part of it since the illegals coming over and committing crimes are more likely to go to other sectors for crossing.
Sorry! I don't understand! Which part of Arizona's new law deals with the border? Arizona's law may get them detained and later deported, but how is it going to stop them at the border when they come back, and they will come back.
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LOL no bro many gang members are day laborers as well...
the new arizona laws is dealing with illegal immigrants it doesnt differentiate between gang members and non gang members...it deals with illegal the KEY TERM BEING ILLEGAL immigrants...
I didnt bring up gang members bro Im just correcting your misconceptions about them but as I can see from your view of this law, your refusal to educate yourself on it, and your refusal to stop citing factually wrong talking points of those opposed to it...I can see that my time has been wasted...
have fun bro...
iono about the founders but the very fact that their gang members are being deported shows that many in the gang are illegals...you think these guys have day jobs? you think they will up and leave if they cant find legit work?
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Sorry! I don't understand! Which part of Arizona's new law deals with the border? Arizona's law may get them detained and later deported, but how is it going to stop them at the border when they come back, and they will come back.
Its going to discourage it, not stop it.
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:P I love this place. We'd have fun debating and drinking together.
Why don't you two get a hotel room and share your love for one another? :-X
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All the rooms are taken up and booked for you, KC, Blacken, and mons.
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I do my kneepadding quickly, then a manic state comes over me and I revert from lib shitbag to capitalist a-hole. In real life it is quite entertaining. I'm like Disturbia meets a social studies book.
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All the rooms are taken up and booked for you, KC, Blacken, and mons.
I've never once spoken about hooking up with any of those posters, PEA BRAIN.
Mind ya business and get back to putting in apps for cleaning public bathroom toilets.