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The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition last year published a study of 162 scientific papers from the past 50 years on the health benefits of organically grown foods and found no nutritional advantage over conventionally grown foods.
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/ajcn.2009.28041v1
Am J Clin Nutr (July 29, 2009). doi:10.3945/ajcn.2009.28041
© 2009 American Society for Clinical Nutrition
Nutritional quality of organic foods: a systematic review1,2,3,4
Alan D Dangour, Sakhi K Dodhia, Arabella Hayter, Elizabeth Allen, Karen Lock and Ricardo Uauy
1 From the Nutrition and Public Health Intervention Research Unit (ADD, SKD, AH, and RU) and the Medical Statistics Unit (EA), Department of Epidemiology and Population Health, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, London, United Kingdom, and the Health Services Research Unit, Department of Public Health and Policy, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, London, UK (KL).
2 The funding organization had no role in the study design, data collection, analysis, interpretation, or writing of the report. The review team held 6 progress meetings with the funding organization.
3 Supported by the UK Food Standards Agency (PAU221).
4 Address correspondence to AD Dangour, Nutrition and Public Health Intervention Research Unit, Department of Epidemiology and Population Health, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, Keppel Street, London WC1E 7HT, United Kingdom. E-mail: alan.dangour@lshtm.ac.uk.
ABSTRACT
Background: Despite growing consumer demand for organically produced foods, information based on a systematic review of their nutritional quality is lacking.
Objective: We sought to quantitatively assess the differences in reported nutrient content between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs.
Design: We systematically searched PubMed, Web of Science, and CAB Abstracts for a period of 50 y from 1 January 1958 to 29 February 2008, contacted subject experts, and hand-searched bibliographies. We included peer-reviewed articles with English abstracts in the analysis if they reported nutrient content comparisons between organic and conventional foodstuffs. Two reviewers extracted study characteristics, quality, and data. The analyses were restricted to the most commonly reported nutrients.
Results: From a total of 52,471 articles, we identified 162 studies (137 crops and 25 livestock products); 55 were of satisfactory quality. In an analysis that included only satisfactory quality studies, conventionally produced crops had a significantly higher content of nitrogen, and organically produced crops had a significantly higher content of phosphorus and higher titratable acidity. No evidence of a difference was detected for the remaining 8 of 11 crop nutrient categories analyzed. Analysis of the more limited database on livestock products found no evidence of a difference in nutrient content between organically and conventionally produced livestock products.
Conclusions: On the basis of a systematic review of studies of satisfactory quality, there is no evidence of a difference in nutrient quality between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs. The small differences in nutrient content detected are biologically plausible and mostly relate to differences in production methods.
Received for publication May 7, 2009. Accepted for publication July 2, 2009.
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This is a little be of a red herring - the main reasons not to eat non-organic foods is because of the additives, pesticides, etc. This study does not address that.
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This is a little be of a red herring - the main reasons not to eat non-organic foods is because of the additives, pesticides, etc. This study does not address that.
Wrong.
The USDA and Mayo Clinic report that there is no health risk and in some cases Organic Farming produces more of a risk due to the inability to fight crop disease.
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This is a little be of a red herring - the main reasons not to eat non-organic foods is because of the additives, pesticides, etc. This study does not address that.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/04/26/attention_whole_foods_shoppers?page=0,2
Health professionals also reject the claim that organic food is safer to eat due to lower pesticide residues. Food and Drug Administration surveys have revealed that the highest dietary exposures to pesticide residues on foods in the United States are so trivial (less than one one-thousandth of a level that would cause toxicity) that the safety gains from buying organic are insignificant. Pesticide exposures remain a serious problem in the developing world, where farm chemical use is not as well regulated, yet even there they are more an occupational risk for unprotected farmworkers than a residue risk for food consumers.
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Sadly just like your FDA...which is no more than a prostitute for the Pharmaceutical industry. The food industry: Cargill, Tyson, ADM etc etc are run by chemical giants like of Monsanto, Dow, Dupont etc etc. These companies thrive and are built on CHEMICALS and therefore make their profits off of selling their goods (chemicals) to other business'. Monsanto in particular has play a major role in the POISONING of the worlds food and crops. While on the surface it may appear that the food is safe, in no way could food sprayed with herbicides, pesticides, fungicides, grown with petrochemical created fertilizers, hybridized with genetic material from humans, rodents and animals, genetically modified and on top of all of that IRRADIATED to make sure it causes maximum damage or death to the consumer, be safe to eat. These articles are the same as the reports turned out by the pharmaceutical giants that say their medicine is safe only to find out a few years later and many deaths later that they are not. THis article is trying to quell fears and defeat knowledge and even common sense that tells of teh dangers of all of these chemicals that have been added to food, crops, soil, water, air etc and are killing people and causing disease the world over.
Notice also in the last fifty years the tremendous upsurge in cancer, diabetes, strokes, heart attacks, Alzheimer, Parkinson, multiple sclerosis, dementia, birth defects, autism, retardation, allergies, asthma just to name a few. This upswing happened at exactly the same time the massive infusion of chemicals in to the worlds diets, crops, water, soil and air occured.....
Watch the documentary FOOD Inc, World According To Monsanto, War On Food, etc etc
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http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/organic-food/NU00255/NSECTIONGROUP=2
Nutrition.
No conclusive evidence shows that organic food is more nutritious than is conventionally grown food. And the USDA — even though it certifies organic food — doesn't claim that these products are safer or more nutritious.
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Sadly just like your FDA...which is no more than a prostitute for the Pharmaceutical industry. The food industry: Cargill, Tyson, ADM etc etc are run by chemical giants like of Monsanto, Dow, Dupont etc etc. These companies thrive and are built on CHEMICALS and therefore make their profits off of selling their goods (chemicals) to other business'. Monsanto in particular has play a major role in the POISONING of the worlds food and crops. While on the surface it may appear that the food is safe, in no way could food sprayed with herbicides, pesticides, fungicides, grown with petrochemical created fertilizers, hybridized with genetic material from humans, rodents and animals, genetically modified and on top of all of that IRRADIATED to make sure it causes maximum damage or death to the consumer, be safe to eat. These articles are the same as the reports turned out by the pharmaceutical giants that say their medicine is safe only to find out a few years later and many deaths later that they are not. THis article is trying to quell fears and defeat knowledge and even common sense that tells of teh dangers of all of these chemicals that have been added to food, crops, soil, water, air etc and are killing people and causing disease the world over.
Notice also in the last fifty years the tremendous upsurge in cancer, diabetes, strokes, heart attacks, Alzheimer, Parkinson, multiple sclerosis, dementia, birth defects, autism, retardation, allergies, asthma just to name a few. This upswing happened at exactly the same time the massive infusion of chemicals in to the worlds diets, crops, water, soil and air occured.....
Watch the documentary FOOD Inc, World According To Monsanto, War On Food, etc etc
Sadly, you give in to conspiracy theories.
SCIENCE, FACT and EVIDENCE are NOT on your side.
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TA uses DDT as underarm deodorant and eats chocolate covered lead chips for breakfast, it's all good for ya.
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http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/organic-food/NU00255/NSECTIONGROUP=2
Nutrition.
No conclusive evidence shows that organic food is more nutritious than is conventionally grown food. And the USDA — even though it certifies organic food — doesn't claim that these products are safer or more nutritious.
You fail to realize the GAME here. If research is NEVER done to show the difference between chemically laced food adn it effect on its nutrition and/or even safety then any company or research organization can legally claim that no research exist that shows any difference between conventionally and organically grown food. It is all a word game. None the less you can not discount the massive upsurge of diseases and conditions that I have mentioned since the introduction of these chemicals into the food, water, soil crops over the past fifty years.
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Add to the fact that Organic Farming would be far more dangerous to the environment.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/04/26/attention_whole_foods_shoppers?page=0,1
Here's why: Less than 1 percent of American cropland is under certified organic production. If the other 99 percent were to switch to organic and had to fertilize crops without any synthetic nitrogen fertilizer, that would require a lot more composted animal manure. To supply enough organic fertilizer, the U.S. cattle population would have to increase roughly fivefold. And because those animals would have to be raised organically on forage crops, much of the land in the lower 48 states would need to be converted to pasture. Organic field crops also have lower yields per hectare. If Europe tried to feed itself organically, it would need an additional 28 million hectares of cropland, equal to all of the remaining forest cover in France, Germany, Britain, and Denmark combined.
Mass deforestation probably isn't what organic advocates intend. The smart way to protect against nitrogen runoff is to reduce synthetic fertilizer applications with taxes, regulations, and cuts in farm subsidies, but not try to go all the way to zero as required by the official organic standard. Scaling up registered organic farming would be on balance harmful, not helpful, to the natural environment.
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Sadly, you give in to conspiracy theories.
SCIENCE, FACT and EVIDENCE are NOT on your side.
You think so? Tell you what since you believe these chemicals are so safe, go to your local Home Depot or Farm Supply Store and buy a can of each of the chemicals I mentioned in my earlier post. Get a couple of bowls and pour some of each chemical into each bowl and use it as a DIPPING SAUCE for your food from now on. DO this for a couple of weeks and come back to the board (if you can) and tell us what happened.
Watch as I said the doc THE WORLD ACCORDING TO MONSANTO. Monsanto has DESTROYED crops and farms around the world with their crap chemicals, their GMO seeds have devastated farms in India, South Africa, Brazil, Mexico, Ecuador, Indonesia and soon america and europe and this GMO/IRRADIATED food will begin showing it full fury soon enough as the ban on using it on only cotton, soy beans, canola and corn has been lifted. Everything is now up for grabs and everything is being grabbed by Monsanto.
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You think so? Tell you what since you believe these chemicals are so safe, go to your local Home Depot or Farm Supply Store and buy a can of each of the chemicals I mentioned in my earlier post. Get a couple of bowls and pour some of each chemical into each bowl and use it as a DIPPING SAUCE for your food from now on. DO this for a couple of weeks and come back to the board (if you can) and tell us what happened.
Watch as I said the doc THE WORLD ACCORDING TO MONSANTO. Monsanto has DESTROYED crops and farms around the world with their crap chemicals, their GMO seeds have devastated farms in India, South Africa, Brazil, Mexico, Ecuador, Indonesia and soon america and europe and this GMO/IRRADIATED food will begin showing it full fury soon enough as the ban on using it on only cotton, soy beans, canola and corn has been lifted. Everything is now up for grabs and everything is being grabbed by Monsanto.
I will just stick to eating Conventionally grown produce and the crops we produce.
You want to know the ironic thing, Jezebelle and I grow more crops in one season than you will grow your entire life. Jezebelle does it as a hobby.
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Add to the fact that Organic Farming would be far more dangerous to the environment.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/04/26/attention_whole_foods_shoppers?page=0,1
Here's why: Less than 1 percent of American cropland is under certified organic production. If the other 99 percent were to switch to organic and had to fertilize crops without any synthetic nitrogen fertilizer, that would require a lot more composted animal manure. To supply enough organic fertilizer, the U.S. cattle population would have to increase roughly fivefold. And because those animals would have to be raised organically on forage crops, much of the land in the lower 48 states would need to be converted to pasture. Organic field crops also have lower yields per hectare. If Europe tried to feed itself organically, it would need an additional 28 million hectares of cropland, equal to all of the remaining forest cover in France, Germany, Britain, and Denmark combined.
Mass deforestation probably isn't what organic advocates intend. The smart way to protect against nitrogen runoff is to reduce synthetic fertilizer applications with taxes, regulations, and cuts in farm subsidies, but not try to go all the way to zero as required by the official organic standard. Scaling up registered organic farming would be on balance harmful, not helpful, to the natural environment.
TA you have got to stop being a SHEEPLE. You are living under the TERROR AND FEAR governments and businesses wish people to live in in order to make them compliant. The world has been feeding itself for MILLENIA with no artificial anything. Organically grown crops are more robust, disease resistant and supersede output of chemically produced food. These wild eyed claims of the need to mass deforest, cattle productio needing to increase five fold yadda yadda is just fear talk. Watch FOOD INC that will bring your false beliefs to an end
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TA you have got to stop being a SHEEPLE. You are living under the TERROR AND FEAR governments and businesses wish people to live in in order to make them compliant. The world has been feeding itself for MILLENIA with no artificial anything. Organically grown crops are more robust, disease resistant and supersede output of chemically produced food. These wild eyed claims of the need to mass deforest, cattle productio needing to increase five fold yadda yadda is just fear talk. Watch FOOD INC that will bring your false beliefs to an end
Again, the Science, Facts and Evidence are not in your favor whatsoever. You are being manipulated by an entire Industry, Organic Foods, and you are doing nothing but supporting False Claims with no basis in any truth or evidence.
Why don`t you stop with the biased "documentaries", outlandish conspiracy theories and have a look at the actual peer-reviewed Science?
I understand you have a lot of emotion invested in this and therefore your dogmatic belief is clouding your judgement.
All I ask is to merely look at the irrefutable, empirical evidence.
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I will just stick to eating Conventionally grown produce and the crops we produce.
You want to know the ironic thing, Jezebelle and I grow more crops in one season than you will grow your entire life. Jezebelle does it as a hobby.
Why you have decided to step into the RING OF STUPIDITY is beyond me. I have said many times on this board I have family all of america and my family that lives in the south east states have farms and have lived in these areas for generations growing food and running businesses based on food: farmer's markets, organic farms, restaurants etc. They know the dangers of these chemicals but better yet they know the natural order of things in having cows, horses, goats etc graze on GRASS (not corn which produces E-Coli). They know that the waste from live stock is a natural fertilizer, natural pesticide, natural fungicide that only needs to be till.ed into the soil. They know the timing of growing certain crops followed by others with one naturally adding nitrogen to the soil (peanuts, strawberries, clovers, potatos, soy beans etc) and then the other extracting nitrogen from the soil: corn wheat etc.
You have a lot to learn TA
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Again, the Science, Facts and Evidence are not in your favor whatsoever. You are being manipulated by an entire Industry, Organic Foods, and you are doing nothing but supporting False Claims with no basis in any truth or evidence.
Why don`t you stop with the biased "documentaries", outlandish conspiracy theories and have a look at the actual peer-reviewed Science?
I understand you have a lot of emotion invested in this and therefore your dogmatic belief is clouding your judgement.
All I ask is to merely look at the irrefutable, empirical evidence.
I looked at the evidence and I see the evidence daily in the insurance industry industry I work. Cancers, alzheimers, strokes heart attacks, lupus and a laundry list of diseases all of which appeared in the last fifty years...what a coincidence...same time period as the influx of chemicals...Hmmmmm.. But rather than going on forever, educate yourself on facts other than what the chemical industry puts out. Get to know farmers, watch the docs I mentioned, do some research on the chemicals used in agriculture and see their side effects which range from birth defects to organ failure, to death...
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Why you have decided to step into the RING OF STUPIDITY is beyond me. I have said many times on this board I have family all of america and my family that lives in the south east states have farms and have lived in these areas for generations growing food and running businesses based on food: farmer's markets, organic farms, restaurants etc. They know the dangers of these chemicals but better yet they know the natural order of things in having cows, horses, goats etc graze on GRASS (not corn which produces E-Coli). They know that the waste from live stock is a natural fertilizer, natural pesticide, natural fungicide that only needs to be till.ed into the soil. They know the timing of growing certain crops followed by others with one naturally adding nitrogen to the soil (peanuts, strawberries, clovers, potatos, soy beans etc) and then the other extracting nitrogen from the soil: corn wheat etc.
You have a lot to learn TA
Sorry, I rather go where the Science and Evidence takes us. Your conspiracy nonsense is just that, pure nonsense based on nothing more than a biased view and uninformed/misplaced hatred.
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I looked at the evidence and I see the evidence daily in the insurance industry industry I work. Cancers, alzheimers, strokes heart attacks, lupus and a laundry list of diseases all of which appeared in the last fifty years...what a coincidence...same time period as the influx of chemicals...Hmmmmm.. But rather than going on forever, educate yourself on facts other than what the chemical industry puts out. Get to know farmers, watch the docs I mentioned, do some research on the chemicals used in agriculture and see their side effects which range from birth defects to organ failure, to death...
Now you're in the insurance industry? How many career changes are you going to make every year? It's amazing how your career always happens to involve the topic you're discussing. Oddly coincidental that you're an engineer in threads involving hard science and now you're in the insurance industry in a thread involving the health effects of consuming non-organic food. Stop lying and provide evidence, please. Adonis has linked studies and articles. What about you? And no, ONE article does not do much.
If you're incapable of doing that, please shut up. :D
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Now you're in the insurance industry? How many career changes are you going to make every year? It's amazing how your career always happens to involve the topic you're discussing. Oddly coincidental that you're an engineer in threads involving hard science and now you're in the insurance industry in a thread involving the health effects of consuming non-organic food. Stop lying and provide evidence, please. Adonis has linked studies and articles. What about you? And no, ONE article does not do much.
If you're incapable of doing that, please shut up. :D
If it not the GETBIG homo on the usual stalk. What happen to your alias EL CHAPO? Seems he magically disappeared as soon as Berzerk was off the ban. I guess now you will resurrect him realizing that you forgot to maintain his presence....Imagine that, you who complain of others having aliases have one yourself. LMAO
So far as TA goes I don't think he needs some uneducated limp wristed individual like yourself speaking for him. He has enough issues trying to understand that POISONS DON'T DO A BODY GOOD
OH and BTW why don't you go back and check my former posts about where I work and what I do. Yes engineers work in the medical/insurance industry along with doctors, scientist, lawyers, researchers, pharmacists yadda yadda. You would know that, but I guess a life of living in the closet (literal and figurative) keeps you out of the intelligence loop..
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Surprise, surprise. Meltdown McGee takes the usual route of slinging insults while avoiding the topic. I'll take your lack of hard evidence as you not really having any idea as to what you're talking about. What's the matter? The CT blogs where you copy/paste your posts and threads from not link any of those for you to read?
And nice try with your trying to loop your multiple careers under one umbrella. You've already been exposed for lying about being an engineer. Chances are you'll expose yourself down the road with regards to your "insurance" career as well. :D
Going to run away from this thread like the volcano one, SamsonEnterprises?
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why can't I just be against something because I don't want my food tampered with?
fuck off TA
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why can't I just be against something because I don't want my food tampered with?
fuck off TA
Nobody is tampering with your food.
Do you realize that every single crop since the history of agriculture has been artificially selected for, hence genetically modified?
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Pesticide studies flawed
http://www.buffalo.edu/ubreporter/archives/vol36/vol36n16/articles/Lockwood.html
http://www.ocfp.on.ca/English/OCFP/Communications/CurrentIssues/Pesticides/default.asp?s=1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9498903?dopt=Abstract
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/1998/Suppl-3/893-908zahm/zahm-full.html
better safe than sorry, I thought it was a free country? Why would TA push pesticides on people who don't want to take the chance? He posts taste tests for products that limit pesticides, how stupid is that? ::) If you wanted to do a taste test, have people taste veggies from a home garden to those at the store. You will taste the difference bigtime. Especially with tomatoes. TA, what do you give a shit if people want to buy organic foods? Go buy whatever the fuck you want jackass and I'll buy what I want!
http://www.healthcastle.com/organic-produce-pesticides.shtml
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Nobody is tampering with your food.
Do you realize that every single crop since the history of agriculture has been artificially selected for, hence genetically modified?
Genetically selected with natural variation - not quite the same as changing a whole set of genes for say all tomatoes. Whatever negative effect one bad tomato can have on you multiply by X amount that you eat every week.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-05-11-pesticide-study_x.htm
http://www.env-health.org/a/3057
http://www.organicconsumers.org/foodsafety/pesticides051704.cfm
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Pesticide studies flawed
http://www.buffalo.edu/ubreporter/archives/vol36/vol36n16/articles/Lockwood.html
http://www.ocfp.on.ca/English/OCFP/Communications/CurrentIssues/Pesticides/default.asp?s=1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9498903?dopt=Abstract
http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/members/1998/Suppl-3/893-908zahm/zahm-full.html
better safe than sorry, I thought it was a free country? Why would TA push pesticides on people who don't want to take the chance? He posts taste tests for products that limit pesticides, how stupid is that? ::) If you wanted to do a taste test, have people taste veggies from a home garden to those at the store. You will taste the difference bigtime. Especially with tomatoes. TA, what do you give a shit if people want to buy organic foods? Go buy whatever the fuck you want jackass and I'll buy what I want!
http://www.healthcastle.com/organic-produce-pesticides.shtml
I disagree.
We are currently growing about 30 different varieties of Tomatoes and theres no way you can tell the difference.
We grew about 20 varieties last year as well.
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Here is one of our Black Krim right now sporting a Mega-Bloom!
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I disagree.
We are currently growing about 30 different varieties of Tomatoes and theres no way you can tell the difference.
We grew about 20 varieties last year as well.
well your sense of taste sucks or your soil is depleted. Since you eat crappy junkfood all the time, good probably tastes bad to you lol... I went all organic, bone meal, blood meal etc, built up the soil for what I was growing in different areas. There is no way in hell the store bought tomatoes are as good. Infact, not even remotely close to as good. The flavor of mine were several times richer. The texture is also another issue that was noticeably better than store bought. I really don't care what you agree or disagree with, I know what I know and you make crazy shit up as it suits you.
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Oh yea, I didn't use ANY pesticides either and I did not lose anything to insects. I lost shit to an early frost, but not once did I go out picking and end up tossing something do to critters. We never use to give a shit about that back in the day even if there was a bug or worm. Just cut that off and ate the rest. Pesticides are mainly to appease pussies affraid of seeing a worm ::)
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TA ::) 30 different tomatoes? How fucking big is your garden, an acre? I need pics or I'm calling BS. Nobody that eats the amount of shitty food you have would be growing 30 different tomatoes....
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TA ::) 30 different tomatoes? How fucking big is your garden, an acre? I need pics or I'm calling BS. Nobody that eats the amount of shitty food you have would be growing 30 different tomatoes....
Exactly...this is coming from someone who's grandfather is 93 years old and still to this day helps to feed his family with a 1/2 acre garden. The kid obviously has no clue what work it takes. My grandfather's tomatoes are so delicous it is indescribable; as I'm sure your's are to as you have gone all organic. Not to mention when we are picking and shucking corn it isn't a big deal to see a worm, pick it out, and throw it in the yard and watch a bird swoop in and eat it. ;D That is also some of the sweetest corn you can ever have right off of the cob!
I don't believe companies that have a stake in money when they say something is safe to eat when they have things such as fish genes in corn, or when a company can sue a farmer when crops do what they're supposed to do and pollinate. Let's not mention the fact that Monsanto lobbied to not have their lables changed to show they are hormone enriched, or GMOs. I have a right to know period. You just don't get it TA, people have that right.
Hugo...do you compost? Also, I have a nice pepper spray(homemade) that helps with not only insects, but critters such as birds, sqirrels, and other rodents if you ever do have that problem.
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Exactly...this is coming from someone who's grandfather is 93 years old and still to this day helps to feed his family with a 1/2 acre garden. The kid obviously has no clue what work it takes. My grandfather's tomatoes are so delicous it is indescribable; as I'm sure your's are to as you have gone all organic. Not to mention when we are picking and shucking corn it isn't a big deal to see a worm, pick it out, and throw it in the yard and watch a bird swoop in and eat it. ;D That is also some of the sweetest corn you can ever have right off of the cob!
I don't believe companies that have a stake in money when they say something is safe to eat when they have things such as fish genes in corn, or when a company can sue a farmer when crops do what they're supposed to do and pollinate. Let's not mention the fact that Monsanto lobbied to not have their lables changed to show they are hormone enriched, or GMOs. I have a right to know period. You just don't get it TA, people have that right.
Hugo...do you compost? Also, I have a nice pepper spray(homemade) that helps with not only insects, but critters such as birds, sqirrels, and other rodents if you ever do have that problem.
I was going to get a compost pile going last year but didn't. Might get one going this year but maybe not. We might be moving before next year and I don't think I would be up for moving compost :D
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I was going to get a compost pile going last year but didn't. Might get one going this year but maybe not. We might be moving before next year and I don't think I would be up for moving compost :D
Ahhh...just put it in a plastic garbage can and move it, it will be fine.
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MRD is right.....30 different types of tomatoes...holy christ, that bullshit is worse then his 100 deadlifts and all the rest of his crap.
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MRD is right.....30 different types of tomatoes...holy christ, that bullshit is worse then his 100 deadlifts and all the rest of his crap.
Don't forget all of the other crops his Jezebelle is pulling out of the garden. Douche, it's an insult to everybody who actually tries to grow their own food.
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would he hellawork to keep them from cross pollinating. It was a shitload of work for me just dealing with 5 different types last year. And lol, we had more tomatoes than we could handle. I planted to much. TA must be feeding a village lol...
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would he hellawork to keep them from cross pollinating. It was a shitload of work for me just dealing with 5 different types last year. And lol, we had more tomatoes than we could handle. I planted to much. TA must be feeding a village lol...
I have some NARX crosses I can send you if you like.
Yes, we grow a ton of tomatoes.
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would he hellawork to keep them from cross pollinating. It was a shitload of work for me just dealing with 5 different types last year. And lol, we had more tomatoes than we could handle. I planted to much. TA must be feeding a village lol...
Exactly! LOL I think we keep it to three and it more than feeds our family. Granted, a 1/2 acre is a good bit of land to produce food when you know what you are doing.
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well your sense of taste sucks or your soil is depleted. Since you eat crappy junkfood all the time, good probably tastes bad to you lol... I went all organic, bone meal, blood meal etc, built up the soil for what I was growing in different areas. There is no way in hell the store bought tomatoes are as good. Infact, not even remotely close to as good. The flavor of mine were several times richer. The texture is also another issue that was noticeably better than store bought. I really don't care what you agree or disagree with, I know what I know and you make crazy shit up as it suits you.
You do realize that Fast Food companies and Heinz are THE LARGEST purchaser of Tomatoes.
Also, Fast Food companies have helped the Tomato industry greatly by pushing for the most disease resistant, highly developed taste with perfect acidity.
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well your sense of taste sucks or your soil is depleted. Since you eat crappy junkfood all the time, good probably tastes bad to you lol... I went all organic, bone meal, blood meal etc, built up the soil for what I was growing in different areas. There is no way in hell the store bought tomatoes are as good. Infact, not even remotely close to as good. The flavor of mine were several times richer. The texture is also another issue that was noticeably better than store bought. I really don't care what you agree or disagree with, I know what I know and you make crazy shit up as it suits you.
I consider Bobby Flay to be one of the greatest Chefs. I am currently cooking through his Burger cookbook. I am sorry you think he is not up to standard. I think you are DEAD WRONG here.
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Last garden I did Roma tomatoes, the big hamburger ones, basil and Thai chili's. I had more then I needed and it was tiny. My golden got addicted to tomatoes because I had to get rid of them. TA's a tool.....how long until we get a massive 2 page horticulture cut and paste job.
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how sad is that TA all this tampering and pesticide, gene manipulation and they still can't produce a food more nutritious than nature? Wow. your blind faith in science is rather foolish, the usda is never going to advocate for organic produce when a majority of it's farmers and companies use pesticides. it'd be suicide they'd all be replaced by other officials who would tout the party line.
Don't you find it alarming ta that for all the advances and changes made to food they can't make it better than nature? you've kind of owned yourself by posting this.
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how sad is that TA all this tampering and pesticide, gene manipulation and they still can't produce a food more nutritious than nature? Wow. your blind faith in science is rather foolish, the usda is never going to advocate for organic produce when a majority of it's farmers and companies use pesticides. it'd be suicide they'd all be replaced by other officials who would tout the party line.
Don't you find it alarming ta that for all the advances and changes made to food they can't make it better than nature? you've kind of owned yourself by posting this.
You are misinformed. Universities are always coming out with new and improved strains of crops that are MORE nutritious with higher crop yields even.
There is no such thing as "Mother Nature". What do you mean "Mother Nature"?
Do you realize if it weren`t for 50,000 years of artificial selection of Agriculture, most plants would be inedible.
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You are misinformed. Universities are always coming out with new and improved strains of crops that are MORE nutritious.
There is no such thing as "Mother Nature". What do you mean "Mother Nature"?
Do you realize if it weren`t for 50,000 years of artificial selection of Agriculture, most plants would be inedible.
if they are more nutritious then where exactly are they in this study? didn't the study say for the past 50 years they can't find much of a nutritional difference? so for 50 eyars science hasn't been able to make food that's better than before they started trying? talk about waste of time.
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You do realize that Fast Food companies and Heinz are THE LARGEST purchaser of Tomatoes.
Also, Fast Food companies have helped the Tomato industry greatly by pushing for the most disease resistant, highly developed taste with perfect acidity.
You consider crappy, thin, faded tomatoes to have perfect taste? You are delusional.
how sad is that TA all this tampering and pesticide, gene manipulation and they still can't produce a food more nutritious than nature? Wow. your blind faith in science is rather foolish, the usda is never going to advocate for organic produce when a majority of it's farmers and companies use pesticides. it'd be suicide they'd all be replaced by other officials who would tout the party line.
QFT I guess we do agree on some things. ;D
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if they are more nutritious then where exactly are they in this study? didn't the study say for the past 50 years they can't find much of a nutritional difference? so for 50 eyars science hasn't been able to make food that's better than before they started trying? talk about waste of time.
Take Yukon Gold Potatoes for instance. Those are relatively new circa 1981, developed by the University of Guleph in Canada.
No chef worth his weight would EVER use anything other than Yukon gold because of its intense Flavor and High Starch content.
This is just one example of thousands and thousands.
"mother nature" would have never given us a Yukon Gold Potato.
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http://www.umaine.edu/paa/Varieties/yukongold.htm
Yukon Gold
ORIGIN: Released jointly by Agriculture Canada and the University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario, Canada in 1981. Yukon Gold was selected from a cross between W5279-4 (a yellow-fleshed diploid hybrid of Solanum phureja and haploid cv Katahdin) and Norgleam. It was tested under the pedigree G6666-4Y.
CHARACTERISTICS: Yukon Gold has medium-early maturity (late in the mid-Atlantic Region of the U.S.), moderate yields, moderate specific gravity and relatively attractive tuber type. Plants are medium-large to large and upright. Stems are purplish but are more green in the upper portion of the plant. Leaf petioles extend downward. Nodes are not swollen. Leaves have a distinct terminal leaflet with four pairs of primary leaflets which are largest near the terminal leaflet. Secondary leaflets vary from two on lower leaves to 6-8 on upper leaves, usually in pairs. The number of tertiary leaves also increases from lower to upper leaves. Flowers are violet to light-violet with yellow anthers. Tubers slightly oval, may be somewhat flattened with yellow-white skin and light yellow tuber flesh. Its shallow, pink eyes distinguish Yukon Gold from other yellow-skinned, yellow-fleshed cultivars.
STRENGTHS & WEAKNESSES: Yukon Gold is resistant to mild mosaic, moderately resistant to leafroll virus and susceptible to virus Y, common scab and air pollution. In some growing areas, hollow heart and internal heat necrosis may be a problem. Yukon Gold retains the yellow flesh color when baked, boiled or french-fried. The attractive tubers are well suited for fresh marketing. Plant establishment is irregular, particularly from basal seed pieces. Pre-cut or whole seed is used in some areas to improve plant stands.
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Take Yukon Gold Potatoes for instance. Those are relatively new circa 1981, developed by the University of Guleph in Canada.
No chef worth his weight would EVER use anything other than Yukon gold because of its intense Flavor and High Starch content.
This is just one example of thousands and thousands.
"mother nature" would have never given us a Yukon Gold Potato.
so because we have on success on taste that makes it better? kumara from new zealand tastes better to me than any potato. this potato however is not more nutritious or it would have been sited in your study. you're clutching at straws desperately trying to prove something that your own evidence doesn't back up. i'll say it again 50 years of looking and science still hasn't produced something nutritionally better.
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I wish some of you would actually research your crops and where and how they were developed. You will find that "mother nature" did not produce them whatsoever. Even Heirlooms for that matter.
What varieties are you guys growing or do you know?
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so because we have on success on taste that makes it better? kumara from new zealand tastes better to me than any potato. this potato however is not more nutritious or it would have been sited in your study. you're clutching at straws desperately trying to prove something that your own evidence doesn't back up. i'll say it again 50 years of looking and science still hasn't produced something nutritionally better.
False.
Here is a recent example:
http://www.fruitnet.com/content.aspx?ttid=13&cid=6350
GM bananas to boost health
Greig Johnston | 31 March 2010 | Print | Download | Comment | Share
A trial of GM bananas is underway in Australia, in a bid to boost the nutritional content of staple foods in developing nations
The northern Australian state of Queensland is trialling the country’s first genetically modified (GM) bananas, as part of a programme funded by US billionaire Bill Gates.
The campaign is designed to improve the nutritional content of staple foods in developing countries, the Sydney Morning Herald reported.
'"Micro-nutrient deficiencies are one of the major public health problems in developing countries," said the project's coordinator, James Dale from the Queensland University of Technology.
Genes from the essential micro-nutrient pro vitamin A, which the human body converts to vitamin A, were inserted into a single cell of a Cavendish banana plant, and researchers then planted the offshoots from the resulting plant.
Professor Dale said the GM banana programme was designed to help east-African countries like Uganda, where vitamin A deficiencies are common. Symptoms of a vitamin A deficiency include impaired vision and immunity, as well as respiratory and bladder conditions.
"Bananas are the staple food of Ugandans. They eat on average 1kg per person per day," professor Dale said, an amount that would provide around half the recommended daily amount of pro vitamin A.
The trial crop was planted last April and took around a year to grow, with around 25 bunches harvested so far, and although the GM bananas look and feel normal, the research group has not been allowed to taste them.
Producers of GM food in Australia operate under a license administered by the federal government and part of that license states the bananas cannot be consumed.
According to professor Dale, the risk that the GM bananas could mix with native species was very small.
"Bananas are sterile, their pollen is sterile so you can't grow them from seed," he noted. "You could grow a non-GM banana within a metre of a GM banana and the genes wouldn't move."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/8020925.stm
Engineered maize's vitamin boost
By Mark Ward
Science and technology reporter, BBC News
The team hope to move to field trials in 2010 to see how the crop grows
A genetically modified (GM) maize fortified with three vitamins has been created by European researchers.
The modifications make the growing maize, or corn, produce large amounts of beta carotene and precursors of vitamin C and folic acid.
The development marks the first time any plant has been engineered to make more than one vitamin.
The creators argue the crop could help improve diets in poorer nations, but anti-GM campaigners are sceptical.
Reported in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), the research details how the South African white corn was created.
The team, led by Dr Paul Christou from Spain's University of Lleida, transferred genes into immature embryos of a variety known as M37W.
The embryos were bombarded with metal particles coated with chunks of DNA that, if taken up by the embryo, would alter its internal biochemical processes to make it produce the vitamins.
Subsequent analysis of sample plants grown from the genetically modified seeds showed that the corn was indeed successfully manipulated into producing the vitamins.
The changes induced in the maize also persisted through a couple of generations of the plants, wrote the researchers.
Doctored diet
The yield of vitamins "vastly exceeds" any produced by conventional plant breeding methods, wrote Dr Christou and his colleagues, from universities in Spain and in Germany, in their paper.
Producing a plant that contains three vitamins could help those in poorer nations who subsist on one food and rarely eat a balanced diet, the scientists said.
Before now plants have been produced that are fortified with one vitamin. However, added the researchers, wide use of such plants might alleviate one deficiency and do nothing about the others.
VITAMIN BENEFITS
Beta carotene - becomes Vitamin A - good for skin, eyesight, embryonic development, fertility and the immune system
Folate - folic acid - helps with red blood cell formation and many genetic processes, aids development of foetus during pregnancy
Ascorbate - becomes Vitamin C - essential for skin proteins and wound-healing and stimulates the immune system
By contrast, wrote the researchers, those eating 100-200g of the fortified corn would get almost all their recommended daily intake of vitamin A, and folic acid and 20% of the ascorbate they need.
Dr Christou told BBC News: "Our research is humanitarian in nature and targets impoverished people in developing countries. This specific project is targeted towards sub-Saharan Africa."
He added: "Our funding is exclusively from public sources so we are not encumbered by any commercial constraints."
Dr Christou said the success of the lab work was pushing the team to start field trials. Initial trials will be held in the US in 2010.
He said: "Once this is done we will be able to have enough data to try in Africa.
"We will soon embark on animal studies to generate efficacy and safety data, which will be required at some point," he added.
'Expensive technofixes'
Prof Johnathan Napier, research leader at the UK's Rothamsted Research Institute, said the work by Dr Christou and colleagues was similar to that done on "golden rice", but produced a crop with much higher levels of vitamin A.
He added that farmers and agriculturists had for centuries bred crops that resisted particular diseases, were easier to harvest or produced greater yields.
"With the advent of more advanced technologies we can select for less obvious traits that are more important, like nutrition," he said.
However, he said, moving from the lab to the field and then to wide-scale use could take time.
"The approval process is rigorous and long-winded," he said. "But it's important to make sure that the technology works, is stable and is evaluated as well as possible."
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I wish some of you would actually research your crops and where and how they were developed. You will find that "mother nature" did not produce them whatsoever. Even Heirlooms for that matter.
What varieties are you guys growing or do you know?
I'm well aware of where bananas, corn, yukon golds, and other edibles come from. What your own study concludes and you don't mention is that many of these fruits and vegatbles come from a cross polination(even a manual one at that) of existing plants. There is no genetic mutation of things or chemical changes that do not occur in nature. You self owned yourself like KC said. I believe(I could be wrong) it was the Aztecs that raised modern corn from a plant very similar to rice for example. Keep grasping though, keep grasping.
Your taste still sucks if you think because Hunt's and fast food restaraunts buy a lot of tomatoes that they are the authority on how they should taste. You've lost this one, move on.
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The point remains that people should have the right to know what they put in their mouths. You always try to twist the arguement with your copy and paste when people come on here and defeat your arguement handily.
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http://www.eufic.org/article/en/food-technology/gmos/artid/iron-vitamin-a-gm-rice/
More iron and vitamin A from GM rice
Researchers have succeeded in genetically modifying rice to enhance its vitamin A and iron content. Once they have passed the authorisation procedure, these new varieties will be made freely available to local rice farmers for planting.
Especially in underdeveloped countries, where rice is often the only staple food, iron and vitamin A deficiencies contribute to the high rates of mortality and infirmity of mothers and children. Increased availability of these micro-nutrients in rice can help to reduce the scale of these deficiency-related diseases.
This research has been conducted by a working group led by Prof. Ingo Potrykus at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH) in Zurich, in collaboration with a group led by Dr. Peter Beyer at the University of Freiburg i. Breisgau (Germany). The newly nutritional benefits will be introduced into several other local rice varieties at the International Rice Research Institute (IRRI) in the Philippines and will be made freely available to local rice farmers for planting.
Conventional rice grains contain a substance (phytic acid) that can prevent the human digestive system from absorbing iron. Furthermore, only the green parts of rice plants (not the grain) contain the vital precursor of vitamin A (beta-carotene). This is why anaemia and vitamin A deficiencies are so widespread in regions where rice is the principal staple food. Small children, who are mainly fed on rice, are particularly prone to these deficiency-related diseases.
Iron deficiency anaemia is considered to be the most widespread deficiency syndrome world-wide. According to UNICEF over 2 billion people suffer from iron deficiency. In underdeveloped countries, 40 to 50% of children under five and over 50% of pregnant women suffer from iron deficiency.(1)
Over 100 million pre-school age children suffer from vitamin A deficiency, as do millions of women of child-bearing age. Vitamin A is essential for the operation of the body's immune system and is responsible for protecting mucous membrane cells. Vitamin A deficiency causes increased risk of infection, night-blindness and, in severe cases, total blindness. Over 1 million children die every year as a result of vitamin A deficiency.(2)
Until now, these deficiency symptoms could be only partially remedied by food supplements or vitamin and mineral enriched foods.
One rice gene has been modified and two new genes, coming from green beans and a specific micro-organism, have been implanted into the rice plants used at the ETH in Zurich. The result is that the iron content of some plants has been doubled. Furthermore, phytic acid can be completely removed from rice seeds by cooking and the iron absorption by the digestive system is thus improved. This is not possible with conventional rice
Due to the introduction of two other genes, the vitamin A precursor (beta-carotene) will now be stored in husked rice. Some genetically modified plant lines contain sufficient pro-vitamin A to satisfy daily vitamin A requirements with 300 g of cooked rice.
EUFIC 1999
http://www.unicef.org/sowc98/slight5.htm
http://www.unicef.org/sowc98/slight3.htm
FOOD TODAY 11/1999
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The point remains that people should have the right to know what they put in their mouths. You always try to twist the arguement with your copy and paste when people come on here and defeat your arguement handily.
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I really wish you would take the time to educate yourself. I believe it to be inhumane to not use the technology especially when we have it, in order to provide essential nutrition that normally is not available through conventional crops.
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The point remains that people should have the right to know what they put in their mouths. You always try to twist the arguement with your copy and paste when people come on here and defeat your arguement handily.
AT least Kcballer now can read the fact that crops have been and are being developed that eclipse what he refers to as "mother nature".
He can also learn about humanitarian benefits (I really hope he learns this as it is vital) these crops produce.
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I really wish you would take the time to educate yourself. I believe it to be inhumane to not use the technology especially when we have it, in order to provide essential nutrition that normally is not available through conventional crops.
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I wish you would take the time to read post instead of googling the first article to cut and paste here. The point of the thread is for people to have the choice and they have the right to know how, where, and what is in their food, not just their produce either. Please reread the first three pages of this thread if you need clarification.
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Vitamin A Deficiency WHO report.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Vitamin_A_deficiency.PNG/800px-Vitamin_A_deficiency.PNG)
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I'm well aware of where bananas, corn, yukon golds, and other edibles come from. What your own study concludes and you don't mention is that many of these fruits and vegatbles come from a cross polination(even a manual one at that) of existing plants. There is no genetic mutation of things or chemical changes that do not occur in nature. You self owned yourself like KC said. I believe(I could be wrong) it was the Aztecs that raised modern corn from a plant very similar to rice for example. Keep grasping though, keep grasping.
Your taste still sucks if you think because Hunt's and fast food restaraunts buy a lot of tomatoes that they are the authority on how they should taste. You've lost this one, move on.
Keep reading super farmer.
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Good work here, TA. Didn't see if you mentioned this or not, but also the vast majority of land that these so-called "organic" crops are grown on, have previously been used as traditional pesticide farms. I watched a guest speaker from NC State giving a lecture on this very topic last week.
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Bill Gates is a computer whiz...not a nutritionist or farmer.
Once again...do you think people have a right to know what is in their food? You're worse than a corrupt politician, you take the subject matter way off base of the original thread. No wonder nobody takes you seriously.
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This site contains too much information to post, but it gives you a good idea of what GMO food, Monsanto, the high power individuals who work or worked for Monsanto and support it regardless of the deadly products it produces, the death and illnesses communities are suffering because of their farming products and practices etc etc. Great information
http://organicconsumers.org/monlink.cfm
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Good work here, TA. Didn't see if you mentioned this or not, but also the vast majority of land that these so-called "organic" crops are grown on, have previously been used as traditional pesticide farms. I watched a guest speaker from NC State giving a lecture on this very topic last week.
Pesticides eventually break down.
Once again...not the point of where the subject is.
Go eat a fast food tomato TA and feel better about yourself.
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I hope you know Bill and Melinda Gates are EUGENICISTS
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Pesticides eventually break down.
Once again...not the point of where the subject is.
Go eat a fast food tomato TA and feel better about yourself.
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Pesticides eventually break down.
Once again...not the point of where the subject is.
Go eat a fast food tomato TA and feel better about yourself.
Ah, the speaker spoke on this.....when asked about that very question, she hip-hopped around it by talking about how tough the standards are for something to be labeled "organic" and how they have improved in recent years.
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Can't answer the question as usual.
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BWhahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He posts some POTTED tomatoes growing on the side of a house as proof of his epic garden that has 30 different varieties growing ::)
Anybody have TA's address? Maybe we can get a view of this garden of his on google earth :)
And lol, if he thinks there's no difference between store bought and garden grown, why is he growing them?
TA, potted tomatoes will limit your plant. There's techniques that can't be done with tomatoes in a pot. In a real garden you can plant a good portion of your tomato plant horizontal in the soil and the top will adjust vertical in hours. The entire portion of the plant placed under the soil then grows out into a much larger root structure and you end up with more tomatoes per plant that are fully nutrient supplied. This is only one reason your tomatoes might taste the same as store bought. Plus you probably just dump a bunch of miracle grow in there thinking the confined roots will get everything they need. You're doing everything like commercial growers do, so how the fuck would you know the difference? Many of them don't even use soil!!!! Maybe you should try that :D
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next you're growing many things in the same pots, that's another mistake. Even your basil there in the background looks stunted. Those tomato plants look stunted. No wonder....
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next you're growing many things in the same pots, that's another mistake. Even your basil there in the background looks stunted. Those tomato plants look stunted. No wonder....
Uh, I didn`t even post a fraction of what we had last year. That was just a bit outside the Greenhouse shed.
I take it you are a greenhorn when it comes to crops (at least judging by your questions/assessment) Furthermore you have no clue about North Carolina red clay soil.
I don`t wish to even try to educate as it won`t matter to you given your differing zone and soil.
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Uh, I didn`t even post a fraction of what we had last year. That was just a bit outside the Greenhouse shed.
I take it you are a greenhorn when it comes to crops (at least judging by your questions/assessment) Furthermore you have no clue about North Carolina red clay soil.
I don`t wish to even try to educate as it won`t matter to you given your differing zone and soil.
So you chose to post pictures from the side of the house over the greenhouse? lol. Let's see a pick of you in your greenhouse TA. You're so full of shit on everything you post, it's hilarous. Nothing I said isn't true. You're the dipshit with all kinds of stuff growing in the same pot.
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So you chose to post pictures from the side of the house over the greenhouse? lol. Let's see a pick of you in your greenhouse TA. You're so full of shit on everything you post, it's hilarous. Nothing I said isn't true. You're the dipshit with all kinds of stuff growing in the same pot.
You obviously have ZERO clue. Do you not understand the concept of Companion Planting? You must be new to this.
http://www.ghorganics.com/page2.html
COMPANION PLANTING
Many plants have natural substances in their roots, flowers, leaves etc. that can alternately repel (anti-feedants) and/or attract insects depending on your needs. In some situations they can also help enhance the growth rate and flavor of other varieties. Experience shows us that using companion planting through out the landscape is an important part of integrated pest management. In essence companion planting helps bring a balanced eco-system to your landscape, allowing nature to do its' job. Nature integrates a diversity of plants, insects, animals, and other organisms into every ecosystem so there is no waste. The death of one organism can create food for another, meaning symbiotic relationships all around. We consider companion planting to be a holistic concept due to the many intricate levels in which it works with the ecology.
By using companion planting, many gardeners find that they can discourage harmful pests without losing the beneficial allies. There are many varieties of herbs, flowers, etc. that can be used for companion plants. Be open to experimenting and find what works for you. Some possibilities would be using certain plants as a border, backdrop or interplanting in your flower or vegetable beds where you have specific needs. Use plants that are native to your area so the insects you want to attract already know what to look for! Plants with open cup shaped flowers are the most popular with beneficial insects.
Companion planting can combine beauty and purpose to give you an enjoyable, healthy environment. Have fun, let your imagination soar. There are many ways you can find to incorporate these useful plants in your garden, orchard, flower beds etc.
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TOMATOES: Tomato allies are many: asparagus, basil, bean, carrots, celery, chive, cucumber, garlic, head lettuce, marigold, mint, nasturtium, onion, parsley, pepper, marigold, pot marigold and sow thistle. One drawback with tomatoes and carrots: tomato plants can stunt the growth of your carrots but the carrots will still be of good flavor. Basil repels flies and mosquitoes, improves growth and flavor. Bee balm, chives and mint improve health and flavor. Borage deters tomato worm, improves growth and flavor. Dill, until mature, improves growth and health, mature dill retards tomato growth. Enemies: corn and tomato are attacked by the same worm. Kohlrabi stunts tomato growth. Keep potatoes and tomatoes apart as they both can get early and late blight contaminating each other. Keep cabbage and cauliflower away from them. Don't plant them under walnut trees as they will get walnut wilt: a disease of tomatoes growing underneath walnut trees.
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still waiting for which states allow ppl to drive scooters over 50cc's on the road
and why you think vision and basic traffic knowledge dont make a person a better driver... ::)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companion_plants
Basil Ocimum basilicum
Helps:
tomato, peppers, oregano, asparagus, petunias
Comments:
is said to make tomatoes taste better, chamomile and anise are supposed to increase the essential oils in many herbs like basil
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still waiting for which states allow ppl to drive scooters over 50cc's on the road
and why you think vision and basic traffic knowledge dont make a person a better driver... ::)
In Cali, anything over 50cc driven on the road must be registered w/full working lights/signals.
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http://gardening.about.com/od/totallytomatoes/qt/Tomato-Companions.htm
Plants Recommended for Companion Planting with Tomatoes: amaranth, asparagus, basil, bean, calendula (pot marigold), carrots, celery, chive, cleome, cosmos, cucumber, garlic, lemon balm, lettuce, marigold, mint, nasturtium, onion, parsley, peas, sage, stinging nettle and sow thistle.
Amaranth helps repel insects.
Basil repels insects and disease, improves growth and flavor. Repels mosquitoes and flies (even fruit flies).
Borage improves growth and flavor and repels tomato worms. (I’ve not found this to be true.)
Bee balm, chives, dill, mint and parsley improve health and flavor. Use dill early since mature dill starts to inhibit tomato growth.
Carrots planted near tomatoes may not get as large as they should, but they’ll still taste good.
Garlic repels red spider mites. Garlic sprays help control late blight.
Stinging nettle nearby improves taste.
Sow thistle aids growth.
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Hope this helps: You could learn a lot here Hugo since you are new to this.
Companion Plants
This forum is meant for the discussion of plants that work well in combination with each other for aesthetic or horticultural reasons.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/complants/
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In Cali, anything over 50cc driven on the road must be registered w/full working lights/signals.
LOL I think its like that in all states to be honest
TA tried to tell me that an 800+ cc scooter didnt need a license to operate it...
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still waiting for which states allow ppl to drive scooters over 50cc's on the road
and why you think vision and basic traffic knowledge dont make a person a better driver... ::)
Vision does make a better driver as does basic traffic knowledge, however a Licence does not make someone automatically a better driver, nor does it ensure that people will wear corrective lenses or glasses.
Usually people`s own safety and self preservation ensures they will wear the necessary eye correction.
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yes moron, I do know about that! That doesn't mean it's a good idea to pack them all in the same pot, especially small pots like you have. IT IS NOT! If you were to do the concept correct, you would have properly spaced rows and plant the desired items between your rows or in the row with enough spacing between plants. And what the fuck would you be worried about this for? You're the guy on here telling us the benefits of herbasides, pesticides and artificial/non organic fertilizers. I know about these things and how to properly employ them because I went organic with my garden. What the fuck are you doing? How about practicing what you preach asshole. I want to see pics of you spaying your plants with pesticides... also post a pic of you with you epic greenhouse!
and don't give me a sobbing story about your soil. anybody can build up a good garden soil no matter how it starts out. and since you don't care about organic, you could build up a decent soil for far less in cost than others.
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Vision does make a better driver as does basic traffic knowledge, however a Licence does not make someone automatically a better driver, nor does it ensure that people will wear corrective lenses or glasses.
Usually people`s own safety and self preservation ensures they will wear the necessary eye correction.
of course not just like a college degree doesnt make you intelligent ;)
but in general those who pass a driving test are better drivers than those who dont...
DIP SHIT ::)
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LOL I think its like that in all states to be honest
TA tried to tell me that an 800+ cc scooter didnt need a license to operate it...
I have 3 cars and I don`t have a License to operate them. (I am sure my License is expired as I NEVER have had it renewed once in my life.)
I also DO NOT register any of my cars, instead I have 30 day tags on all of them. The titles are all in my name and I carry the bill of sale just in case I get pulled over.
I learned this trick from a cop.
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don't hijack the thread tony ;D
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I have 3 cars and I don`t have a License to operate them. (I am sure my License is expired as I NEVER have had it renewed once in my life.)
I also DO NOT register any of my cars, instead I have 30 day tags on all of them. The titles are all in my name and I carry the bill of sale just in case I get pulled over.
I learned this trick from a cop.
LOL yes but get pulled over enough times without renewing your license and youll get a warrant and eventually arrested...DIP SHIT ::)
sorry huggy its hard to ignore such blatant ignorance...im done ;D
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yes moron, I do know about that! That doesn't mean it's a good idea to pack them all in the same pot, especially small pots like you have. IT IS NOT! If you were to do the concept correct, you would have properly spaced rows and plant the desired items between your rows or in the row with enough spacing between plants. And what the fuck would you be worried about this for? You're the guy on here telling us the benefits of herbasides, pesticides and artificial/non organic fertilizers. I know about these things and how to properly employ them because I went organic with my garden. What the fuck are you doing? How about practicing what you preach asshole. I want to see pics of you spaying your plants with pesticides... also post a pic of you with you epic greenhouse!
and don't give me a sobbing story about your soil. anybody can build up a good garden soil no matter how it starts out. and since you don't care about organic, you could build up a decent soil for far less in cost than others.
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Admit it, you had no clue what Companion Planting was.
Also,
All or nothing is a stupid concept in regards to pesticides. The object of course is to use as little as possible and companion planting makes that possible. Industrial Farming makes use of this concept as well.
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LOL yes but get pulled over enough times without renewing your license and youll get a warrant and eventually arrested...DIP SHIT ::)
sorry huggy its hard to ignore such blatant ignorance...im done ;D
Nah. Not around here. The city has about 300,000 people and they are not worried about what I do. Besides the last time I was pulled over was in 2004 for Competition Speed Racing in my Lotus Esprit. I`d rather just pay the lawyer an infrequent sum. It comes out cheaper and I get to keep my privacy.
I have no qualms for my blatant civil disobedience.
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Admit it, you had no clue what Companion Planting was.
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All or nothing is a stupid concept in regards to pesticides. The object of course is to use as little as possible and companion planting makes that possible. Industrial Farming makes use of this concept as well.
jackass, before last year I didn't know anything about Organic Gardening. I have gardening experience but it had been a long time. I worked summers as a kid in a large greenhouse. But Organic, I had to do research on. I did a shitload of research before starting out. zero way you're going to research organic gardening and miss info on natural ways to keep insects at bay etc.
TA, most industrial farming does not employ this, they just spray the shit out of the crops. I especially witnessed this stationed in Yuma and living in Nebraska. maybe some do but I haven't seen it. and since many do not, lets see you practice what you preach is of no harm! spray them plants!!!
and lol, so you're now admitting that there's an issue with pesticides. If you want to minimize their use, you must be! hahahahahaha. Otherwise why not just follow the directions to their full recommendations you hypocrite!
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I do remember the amount of insects freaking me out at first last year. I was afraid they would end up eating everything but that didn't happen. not even close. the worst that happened was an early and hard frost.
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I do remember the amount of insects freaking me out at first last year. I was afraid they would end up eating everything but that didn't happen. not even close. the worst that happened was an early and hard frost.
You are in Arizona or was it New Mexico?
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You are in Arizona or was it New Mexico?
I've lived in New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska and Wyoming. Is there a point? last years garden was in Wyoming.
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I'm going to call you out on another contradiction you made lol.... You said you disagree that tomatoes from a home garden can taste better than conventional tomatoes from the store. But then you go on to note things the home gardener can do to make their tomatoes have more flavor, like basil. LOL, so which one is it, you keep contradicting yourself! I guess that happens when all you do to make a point is google for a best response! :D
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Oh and by the way, while you're at the googling for best responses, google companion farming pics and you'll see that all the examples are from small to medium small production and employ the use as I stated!!!! NOT how you stated. You will see the examples are with propper row spacing, not just lumping it all into one pot. All you're going to do with that is deplete your main plant and any benefits to the technique are lost to bigger cons than pros. So as it turns out, I guess I knew more about it than you, and I'm a 2nd year noob to organic techniques :D
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I'm going to call you out on another contradiction you made lol.... You said you disagree that tomatoes from a home garden can taste better than conventional tomatoes from the store. But then you go on to note things the home gardener can do to make their tomatoes have more flavor, like basil. LOL, so which one is it, you keep contradicting yourself! I guess that happens when all you do to make a point is google for a best response! :D
Just because I can alter the taste of a tomato does not mean I can or will produce a better product. Variety for one will determine taste and some will have higher levels of acid some lower. Some people prefer lower acidic, sweeter tomatoes....I don`t care for them particular but that is dependent upon which dish I make or use them for.
There is no contradiction because I have access to the largest farmers market in the southeast, tons of local grocery stores with consistent high quality tomatoes and of course what we grow here. ALL ARE GREAT!
You are the all or nothing schmuck here. Not I.
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Oh and by the way, while you're at the googling for best responses, google companion farming pics and you'll see that all the examples are from small to medium small production and employ the use as I stated!!!! NOT how you stated. You will see the examples are with propper row spacing, not just lumping it all into one pot. All you're going to do with that is deplete your main plant and any benefits to the technique are lost to bigger cons than pros. So as it turns out, I guess I knew more about it than you, and I'm a 2nd year noob to organic techniques :D
Sorry, you are not making any sense here. I do not have all in containers, just the ones I posted happen to be and they are all adequately spaced as per Dr. Carolyn Male.
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Sorry, you are not making any sense here. I do not have all in containers, just the ones I posted happen to be and they are all adequately spaced as per Dr. Carolyn Male.
you have yet failed to post pics of your epic 30 varriety tomato garden so I don't see what else there is to comment on... You made the claims buddy, back it up? oh, and the planting within the pots are NOT adequately spaced. you have both flowers and spices planted in small walmat pots... stupid....
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you have yet failed to post pics of your epic 30 varriety tomato garden so I don't see what else there is to comment on... You made the claims buddy, back it up? oh, and the planting within the pots are NOT adequately spaced. you have both flowers and spices planted in small walmat pots... stupid....
Because he doesn't have a clue Hugo, that's why I bowed out of this thread. He is a liar and just doesn't get it.