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He does say "America is like Disney World... once you show your ticket, you shouldn't have to keep showing it over and over!"
he sure doesn't want to disagree with his employer FOX news and their faces like Palin, who cheerlead this RINO masterpiece... but it sounds like he doesn't support it.
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He does say "America is like Disney World... once you show your ticket, you shouldn't have to keep showing it over and over!"
he sure doesn't want to disagree with his employer FOX news and their faces like Palin, who cheerlead this RINO masterpiece... but it sounds like he doesn't support it.
Seriously... we know 333's rationale, but how can anyone with even 1/2 a brain support that?
How on earth can someone visually ascertain a reasonable suspicion that someone is illegal?
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
When they start stamping US citizens & legal residents with a giant bar code in the middle of their foreheads, then perhaps there may be some merit to this law, until then, it is a pass for harassing whoever a police officer chooses to harass. Heaven help your country if it is not struck down.
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Seriously... we know 333's rationale, but how can anyone with even 1/2 a brain support that?
How on earth can someone visually ascertain a reasonable suspicion that someone is illegal?
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
When they start stamping US citizens & legal residents with a giant bar code in the middle of their foreheads, then perhaps there may be some merit to this law, until then, it is a pass for harassing whoever a police officer chooses to harass. Heaven help your country if it is not struck down.
Nice assumptions, Samson. ::)
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He does say "America is like Disney World... once you show your ticket, you shouldn't have to keep showing it over and over!"
he sure doesn't want to disagree with his employer FOX news and their faces like Palin, who cheerlead this RINO masterpiece... but it sounds like he doesn't support it.
Yeah, lets use the analogy 240 since you want to be cute.
Disney does not allow people (illegals) to jump the fence in the back of the park (Mexico) and use the rides (Govt Services) all day since paying customers (Taxpayers) are supposed to have that privilige .
Additionally, how long do you think Disney would be able to stay open if it allowed millions of people to hop the fence and use the rides all day for free? Is it fair to paying customers that people get to hop the fence and use the rides for free?
GMAFB - 240 - you are really making a complete ass of yourself lately.
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Great analogy 333.
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Seriously... we know 333's rationale, but how can anyone with even 1/2 a brain support that?
How on earth can someone visually ascertain a reasonable suspicion that someone is illegal?
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
When they start stamping US citizens & legal residents with a giant bar code in the middle of their foreheads, then perhaps there may be some merit to this law, until then, it is a pass for harassing whoever a police officer chooses to harass. Heaven help your country if it is not struck down.
The problem is your description of the bill is stupid.The bill CLEARLY says the police can only enquire about status if they are in the process of pulling the guy over for a crime or suspician of a crime.I find it amazing that you libs are against this.Do you show your ID before getting on a plane?Before getting a motel room?Before getting a drink in a bar if you look young?I could give 1,000 examp;les of people being FORCED to show ID but somehow this law is a racial whitch hunt.Typical idiot libs.
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He does say "America is like Disney World... once you show your ticket, you shouldn't have to keep showing it over and over!"
he sure doesn't want to disagree with his employer FOX news and their faces like Palin, who cheerlead this RINO masterpiece... but it sounds like he doesn't support it.
how many illegals have "shown their tickets?" ::)
sounds like huck is for securing the border... ;)
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33, I'm not defending any disney model nor huck's statement.
To most people, the fact he refuses to say he agrees with the law - then says a person should not have to repeatedly show identification - would indicate he sure ain't agreeing with the law.
You keep mixing up analysis of politician's statements with defense of it. I like the law just a *little bit* more every day - and I damn sure would agree with it if I lived there - but the fact SO MANY of our nation's leaders on both sides of the aisle have questions about it...
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33, I'm not defending any disney model nor huck's statement.
To most people, the fact he refuses to say he agrees with the law - then says a person should not have to repeatedly show identification - would indicate he sure ain't agreeing with the law.
You keep mixing up analysis of politician's statements with defense of it. I like the law just a *little bit* more every day - and I damn sure would agree with it if I lived there - but the fact SO MANY of our nation's leaders on both sides of the aisle have questions about it...
at the same time an analytical mind would ascertain that he is suggesting that these ppl DO NEED TO SHOW THEIR STATUS at least once...how many have shown their status 240? when did they show their status 240?
so obviously huck is in favor of them showing their status just not everytime....
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33, I'm not defending any disney model nor huck's statement.
To most people, the fact he refuses to say he agrees with the law - then says a person should not have to repeatedly show identification - would indicate he sure ain't agreeing with the law.
You keep mixing up analysis of politician's statements with defense of it. I like the law just a *little bit* more every day - and I damn sure would agree with it if I lived there - but the fact SO MANY of our nation's leaders on both sides of the aisle have questions about it...
::) ::)
If those pofs traitors and treasonous scumbags are against it, I see all the more reason to be in favor of it.
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33, I'm not defending any disney model nor huck's statement.
To most people, the fact he refuses to say he agrees with the law - then says a person should not have to repeatedly show identification - would indicate he sure ain't agreeing with the law.
You keep mixing up analysis of politician's statements with defense of it. I like the law just a *little bit* more every day - and I damn sure would agree with it if I lived there - but the fact SO MANY of our nation's leaders on both sides of the aisle have questions about it...
funny how your analysis missed what mine found huh? you see there is something about the consistancy of your analyzations 240...they generally find the left leaning liberal view point to them....funny for a conservative to say the least...even an independent...hmmmm I wonder what your analysis of that finding would be?
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240 is lib who likes guns.
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240 is lib who likes guns.
333386 is the conservative who likes showing his papers.
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No, 33 is a reality based person who has to show id:
1. To cash a check at the bank
2. Purchase alcohol
3. Get into any commercial building in NYC
4. Register a car.
5. Get on a plane.
6. Make large purchases in a store with a credit card.
Etc.
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''240 is lib who likes guns. "
I'm not lib on most issues. Just the ones that cause the most debate here ;)
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''240 is lib who likes guns. "
I'm not lib on most issues. Just the ones that cause the most debate here ;)
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333386 is the conservative who likes showing his papers.
lol
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Yeah whatever, I like showing my id. ::) ::)
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can some rightwingers here help 3333 out with some new material. There's more posts of that kneepad here than tits in the thread of natural college chicks on the sex board. Maybe there's a book of rightwing insults, I'll pitch in. I'm just not sure I can take 1000 more kneepad posts for may :D
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I would get banned if I said what really wanted to at times.
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I would get banned if I said what really wanted to at times.
Say it, this is getbig.
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33,
how many times per day would you be okay with showing your papers to law enforcement?
a number, please. My number, if I have broken no law, is zero. What is your number?
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Say it, this is getbig.
Not true,I was in timeout yesterday.You can say what you want but you have to use discretion.Once again,if a cop pulls you over while driving they ALWAYS ask for license and registration and proof of insurance.This law then says IF they dont have propper ID then the police can ask to see their papers.IF they have a valid license the police CAN NOT enquire as to their legal status and MUST assume they are legal.WHATS THE PROBLEM?
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Dude - your moron act is really wearing thin on me. I know you are smarter than you have been acting lately, but I guess its the amount of TV you watch.
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Not true,I was in timeout yesterday.You can say what you want but you have to use discretion.Once again,if a cop pulls you over while driving they ALWAYS ask for license and registration and proof of insurance.This law then says IF they dont have propper ID then the police can ask to see their papers.IF they have a valid license the police CAN NOT enquire as to their legal status and MUST assume they are legal.WHATS THE PROBLEM?
A driver license does not say if they are legal or illegal in this country? Neither does insurance?
What happens if you are not driving? What happens if you are a passenger in the car? Do you need proper papers?
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Only if you are being investigated for another crime and the officer comes into information that you are here illegally, WHICH IS NOT A RIGHT.
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A driver license does not say if they are legal or illegal in this country? Neither does insurance?
What happens if you are not driving? What happens if you are a passenger in the car? Do you need proper papers?
Thank you Ron!
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Thank you Ron!
You guys really are clueless on the law and how things work. If you want to talk about some mythical peaceful person in line with his kid gwetting ice cream being singles out in a line, fine, engage in your nonsense, however, that is not how law enforcement and the law works.
A perfect example is this:
A cop sees a drug deal going doing on the street. He now has probable cause to arrest the suspects for drug dealing. In the course of his investigation, he realizes the suspect is probably here illegally based on articulable facts and proceeds to investigate that crime. This might mean any number of factors such as conflicting data, stolen id, phone DL, cant speak English, prior rap sheet, etc. From there the cop now has reasonable suspicion to investigate the crime of being here ILLEGALLY, and can proceed to send the guy to ICE for deportation.
Race alone is EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED from being the only factor and is NEVER enough to justify the initiation of police action. Any case would get thrown out if the cop had no other reason to initiate police action.
How hard is this for you guys to grasp? Geez.
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A driver license does not say if they are legal or illegal in this country? Neither does insurance?
What happens if you are not driving? What happens if you are a passenger in the car? Do you need proper papers?
No Ron, we have answered that repeatedly. They can not legally ask you for you legal status just because you are a passenger or if you are walking down the street. We all agree that this law walks a very thin line, but it is no different than federal law that is being ignored at the moment.
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You guys really are clueless on the law and how things work. If you want to talk about some mythical peaceful person in line with his kid gwetting ice cream being singles out in a line, fine, engage in your nonsense, however, that is not how law enforcement and the law works.
A perfect example is this:
A cop sees a drug deal going doing on the street. He now has probable cause to arrest the suspects for drug dealing. In the course of his investigation, he realizes the suspect is probably here illegally based on articulable facts and proceeds to investigate that crime. This might mean any number of factors such as conflicting data, stolen id, phone DL, cant speak English, prior rap sheet, etc. From there the cop now has reasonable suspicion to investigate the crime of being here ILLEGALLY, and can proceed to send the guy to ICE for deportation.
Race alone is EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED from being the only factor and is NEVER enough to justify the initiation of police action. Any case would get thrown out if the cop had no other reason to initiate police action.
How hard is this for you guys to grasp? Geez.
You stupid bastard, I already said I agree with this law! ;D
All I'm saying is that we need to be careful with things like this...
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33,
how many times per day would you be okay with showing your papers to law enforcement?
a number, please. My number, if I have broken no law, is zero. What is your number?
why would they have reason to make lawful contact with you if you hadnt broken a law or suspected of having broken a law?
youre skipping that part 240...
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They just want to scream about the alleged issue, which it is not.
If this law were so bad, why arnt they screaming about the FEDERAL LAW ALREADY ON THE BOOKS THAT SAY THE SAME FUCKING THING?
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You guys really are clueless on the law and how things work. If you want to talk about some mythical peaceful person in line with his kid gwetting ice cream being singles out in a line, fine, engage in your nonsense, however, that is not how law enforcement and the law works.
A perfect example is this:
A cop sees a drug deal going doing on the street. He now has probable cause to arrest the suspects for drug dealing. In the course of his investigation, he realizes the suspect is probably here illegally based on articulable facts and proceeds to investigate that crime. This might mean any number of factors such as conflicting data, stolen id, phone DL, cant speak English, prior rap sheet, etc. From there the cop now has reasonable suspicion to investigate the crime of being here ILLEGALLY, and can proceed to send the guy to ICE for deportation.
Race alone is EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED from being the only factor and is NEVER enough to justify the initiation of police action. Any case would get thrown out if the cop had no other reason to initiate police action.
How hard is this for you guys to grasp? Geez.
wow..you really have no idea what being a LEO is like do you?
bench
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No, not a clue. ::)
I have only handled a few DWI's, a few drug cases, a few fraud trials, and a few other misc. cases.
Do you want to debate Terry v. Ohio?
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No, not a clue. ::)
I have only handled a few DWI's, a few drug cases, a few fraud trials, and a few other misc. cases.
Do you want to debate Terry v. Ohio?
You don't think Terry/Ohio is in violation of our constitution?
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It doesnt matter what I think, it is the law of the land.
The bottom line is that you have no right to be here illegally. If you are committing a crime or come into contact with law enforcement in a legal manner, i.e. traffic stop, arrest, etc, and it is found out that your illegal by virtue of your conduct or otherwise, than tough shit, out of here.
One of my best friends in a NARC detective and tells me DAILY of the illegals and what they get away with because ICE wont do its job. Even though he knows they are illegal, he is instructed not to do shit about it and thus has to keep arresting the same illegals over and over and over who a like locusts on the streets in terms of gang banging, drug dealing, etc.