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Palin hacker found guilty on two counts
S C Magazine ^ | April 30 2010 | Greg Masters
Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 3:49:09 PM by rhema
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The 22-year-old man accused of hacking into the Yahoo! email account of Sarah Palin while she was the Republican candidate for vice president was found guilty of two of four counts: unlawful computer access and obstruction of justice, according to a report in the Knoxville News Sentinel. He was acquitted of the charge of wire fraud and a mistrial was declared on count one, identity theft.
David Kernell was a 20-year-old economics student at the University of Tennessee when he hacked his way past security questions to access Palin's personal email account in 2008. Kernell gained access by providing Palin's birth date and ZIP code to Yahoo's password retrieval system. At that time, she was the governor of Alaska and recently recruited as running mate in the presidential bid of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).
The government will decide next week whether to retry the case, with sentencing to follow after that decision is made, according to @hsumerford reporting via Twitter from the scene. Kernell and his attorney had no comment for the press as they left the courtroom, he added.
A jury in Knoxville, Tenn. comprised of six men and six women, began hearing testimony last week in the case, including from Palin and her daughter Bristol, who both testified that the event disrupted their lives.
"It caused a huge disruption in the campaign," Palin told jurors during her 45 minutes of testimony last Friday.
The jury began its deliberations on Tuesday morning after receiving instructions from U.S. District Court Judge Thomas Phillips and continued for more than five hours before concluding for the day. The jurors continued discussion all day Wednesday and Thursday. By Thursday afternoon, the jurors were unanimous on their decision in three of the four charges, but were deadlocked on count one, the charge of identity theft.
The jurors' discussion seemed to be heating up on Thursday. In a note to the judge, the jurors said: "Some of us feel not all jurors are following the jury instruction."
When they could not come to a verdict on the charge of identity theft, the judge refused to accept a partial verdict and sent them back into the jury room to reach a decision on count one.
After another full day of deliberation on Friday, the jury acquitted Kernell of count two, wire fraud, but it remained deadlocked on count one, felony identity theft.
Kernell was charged with four felonies – felony identity theft, wire fraud, accessing Palin's email account without authorization and obstructing an FBI investigation. If convicted, he faced 50 years in prison.
Charges, possible sentence
Count one: identity theft
Maximum five years in prison
$250,000 fine
Three years supervised release
Count two: wire fraud
Maximum 20 years in prison
$250,000 fine
Five years supervised release
Count three: unlawful computer access
Maximum five years in prison
$250,000 fine
Three years supervised release
Lesser included misdemeanor offense on count three carries a maximum of one year in prison
Count four: obstruction of justice
Maximum 20 years in prison
$250,000 fine
Five years supervised release
Wade Davies, Kernell's attorney, argued that "what he did was closer to a prank than a crime." He added that Kernell didn't use the information he accessed or harass Palin's family. But prosecution lawyer Thomas Van Flein told the jury the hacking was "disruptive to [Palin's] ability to communicate with her staff."
Answering reporters' questions following her testimony last Friday, Palin said, "It's not right. It's not legal. It's not fair. It's not decent."
Davies argued that federal authorities trumped up charges because the high-profile Palin is the alleged victim. He urged jurors to penalize Kernell only for what he claimed was the more appropriate conviction: misdemeanor unauthorized computer access.
Kernell was present in court throughout the proceedings, but did not testify. He is the son of Democratic state Rep. Mike Kernell of Memphis, who has served in the state's House of Representatives for more than three decades.
Sentencing will follow.
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Looks like a typical liberal "male", if you want to call him that.
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I hope that little fag goes to a max security prison and is raped until he needs a colostomy bag.
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He is the proto-type example of why our country to so screwed in the long term.
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By the way he has pretty big tits for a man.What a girl.
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Have fun in jail you lib.
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I hope that little fag goes to a max security prison and is raped until he needs a colostomy bag.
God you're a moron.
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God you're a moron.
Oh no,a little limp wristed Obama supporter thinks Im a moron.What to do?Get lost sissy.
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Oh no,a little limp wristed Obama supporter thinks Im a moron.What to do?Get lost sissy.
It's not about being an Obama supporter or not you fukin retard. You're talking about this kid like he just raped your daughter or something. He hacked into somebody's email for fuck's sake!!!I wouldnt have a problem with your post if you said that about some animal that just raped and murdered a 5 year old girl ..... do you see hacking on the same par as being a pedophile???? No wonder a serious number of people in this country had the decency to vote out idiots like yourself and others on this board. :o
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It's not about being an Obama supporter or not you fukin retard. You're talking about this kid like he just raped your daughter or something. He hacked into somebody's email for fuck's sake!!!I wouldnt have a problem with your post if you said that about some animal that just raped and murdered a 5 year old girl ..... do you see hacking on the same par as being a pedophile???? No wonder a serious number of people in this country had the decency to vote out idiots like yourself and others on this board. :o
THE MOST IMPORTANT thing we have as Americans is our right to privacy and our freedom.This little punk,violated those rights.What do you think should happen to a guy who violates the most important thing this country stands for?How about if he was opening your mail?Or going into your house and looking through your shit?This puke of a human being deserves THE HARSHEST penalty the judge can come up with.I hope he suffers like no other punk kid has suffered before.I want him to tell stories of his ordeal when he gets out as a warning to others.
Whats amazing is ,if this had been a conservatives kid doing this to Obama ,liberals would have ben howling from the rooftops.You would have seen lawsuits and protests and congressional investigations.But because it a lib doing it to Palin all we hear from libs is "it was only hacking".
By the way,wait to Nov.MY KIND will be back in power and Obama will be limp to do ANY other damage to the country he has already tried to destroy.
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These girls dont care because it happened to Palin. Had it happened to Obama or Michelle they would have freaked out.
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It's not about being an Obama supporter or not you fukin retard. You're talking about this kid like he just raped your daughter or something. He hacked into somebody's email for fuck's sake!!!I wouldnt have a problem with your post if you said that about some animal that just raped and murdered a 5 year old girl ..... do you see hacking on the same par as being a pedophile???? No wonder a serious number of people in this country had the decency to vote out idiots like yourself and others on this board. :o
He hacked into the potential VP email during an election...
while I agree that this kid isnt as bad as a pedo or rapist this crime goes far beyond simply hacking into an everyday persons email account...
and 333 is correct if a conservative kid his age did this to biden or hillary you would have msnbc and its hosts calling for blood on this as it should be...the only difference is they arent for his blood ::)
its regretable that this kid is going to jail for likely a long time for being dumb ass but the message needs to be sent...I say anything less than 5 years is getting off easy...
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he broke the law - lock his punk ass up. end thread.
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It's not like this guy cut the brakes lines on a bunch of school busses
He should get whatever the normal sentence is for this case but what did he actually do with the account.
does it really matter if she was Governor or just any other private citizen?
people hack other peoples email accounts everday (I assume)
what kind of sentences do they normally get?
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It's not like this guy cut the brakes lines on a bunch of school busses
He should get whatever the normal sentence is for this case but what did he actually do with the account.
does it really matter if she was Governor or just any other private citizen?
people hack other peoples email accounts everday (I assume)
what kind of sentences do they normally get?
Agreed. I also don't think he should be punished on the basis that this prevented Palin from communicating with her staff.
She broke the law in using her personal email for government business.
You can't punish a kid for preventing someone else from breaking the law.
That's where a judge should say tough poop. I can't compensate you for your inability to break the law.
And as for big tits... Billy, you're one to talk. At least he's not full of pubescent like acne.
Not to detract from the subject at hand, ...but wtf was she thinking using a yahoo email for government business? And to have such a flimsy easilyy accessible password security? Where is her judgement? Could you have imagined if she was the VP? She'd be using yahoo for vice-presidential business? ...or would she have quit her job as VP to do the FOX reality / talk show circuit?
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Maybe this will teach others to respect privacy.
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Maybe this will teach others to respect privacy.
Only if they make an example out of him, ...and in such a high profile case with the son of a politician, ...a judge most surely will. :-\
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THE MOST IMPORTANT thing we have as Americans is our right to privacy and our freedom.This little punk,violated those rights.What do you think should happen to a guy who violates the most important thing this country stands for?How about if he was opening your mail?Or going into your house and looking through your shit?This puke of a human being deserves THE HARSHEST penalty the judge can come up with.I hope he suffers like no other punk kid has suffered before.I want him to tell stories of his ordeal when he gets out as a warning to others.
Whats amazing is ,if this had been a conservatives kid doing this to Obama ,liberals would have ben howling from the rooftops.You would have seen lawsuits and protests and congressional investigations.But because it a lib doing it to Palin all we hear from libs is "it was only hacking".
By the way,wait to Nov.MY KIND will be back in power and Obama will be limp to do ANY other damage to the country he has already tried to destroy.
privacy?...oh, you mean the privacy that YOUR people forced us to end for you when we were ordered to wire tape americans out the ass?
give me a break dude...people like you are the reason the U.S will be nothing but a memory is 50 years.
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Only if they make an example out of him, ...and in such a high profile case with the son of a politician, ...a judge most surely will. :-\
Palin is a total idiot but still has a right to privacy.
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Du and huffpost were giddy and jumping for joy when okeefe was busted for trying to wiretap landrieux's office.
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Du and huffpost were giddy and jumping for joy when okeefe was busted for trying to wiretap landrieux's office.
arent political games fun ;D
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Yes. Young people don't realize that these are real crimes w real ramifications. Also there are strict sentencing guidelines in a federal court cases to where the judge does not even have that much discretion.
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Yes. Young people don't realize that these are real crimes w real ramifications. Also there are strict sentencing guidelines in a federal court cases to where the judge does not even have that much discretion.
yeah...if it wasn't palin or another political name this would barely be a crime though....
some of the arrest we used to make for felonies would usually translate to misdemeanors in the normal America...
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Yeah but he went after the vp candidate at the time.
Also, didn't they offer this kid a plea deal of some sort?
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privacy?...oh, you mean the privacy that YOUR people forced us to end for you when we were ordered to wire tape americans out the ass?
give me a break dude...people like you are the reason the U.S will be nothing but a memory is 50 years.
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bench obama not only continued the patriot act but furthered its reach...
many of us including myself where against the patriot act when it was passed under bush and are still against it now....
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It's not like this guy cut the brakes lines on a bunch of school busses
He should get whatever the normal sentence is for this case but what did he actually do with the account.
does it really matter if she was Governor or just any other private citizen?
people hack other peoples email accounts everday (I assume)
what kind of sentences do they normally get?
yes it does matter that she was a potential VP candidate when he hacked her account. The ppl that think otherwise should take a hard look at themselves and put aside their palin hatred. If this had happend to obama you guys would be calling for this kids blood. The message needs to be sent and rightfully so, you cant have ppl hacking intopublic officials emails and that goes for conservatives or liberals.
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bench obama not only continued the patriot act but furthered its reach...
many of us including myself where against the patriot act when it was passed under bush and are still against it now....
i am aware...trust me, i know..
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He hacked into the potential VP email during an election...
while I agree that this kid isnt as bad as a pedo or rapist this crime goes far beyond simply hacking into an everyday persons email account...
and 333 is correct if a conservative kid his age did this to biden or hillary you would have msnbc and its hosts calling for blood on this as it should be...the only difference is they arent for his blood ::)
its regretable that this kid is going to jail for likely a long time for being dumb ass but the message needs to be sent...I say anything less than 5 years is getting off easy...
I'm not defending the guy let me be clear, what he did was wrong, he needs to take full responsibility for his actions and take it in the chin like a man,whatever his punishment will be, however, to say something like " I hope that little fag goes to a max security prison and is raped until he needs a colostomy bag" and wish him that...I find it a little disturbing. As my previous post said, if this were a pedophile I wouldn't have a problem with that .....
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Palin is a total idiot but still has a right to privacy.
Your country did away with privacy rights a long time ago.
Not saying he's not guilty or that she deserved to be hacked, ...but lets get real here.
it's obvious no one in America gives a poop about privacy rights.
It's pretty scummy what hhe did, ...but I'm kind of glad he did.
Hopefully this teaches them BOTH a lesson, as it reveals to the public what an idiot she is.
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Good.
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Your country did away with privacy rights a long time ago.
Not saying he's not guilty or that she deserved to be hacked, ...but lets get real here.
it's obvious no one in America gives a poop about privacy rights.
It's pretty scummy what hhe did, ...but I'm kind of glad he did.
Hopefully this teaches them BOTH a lesson, as it reveals to the public what an idiot she is.
Some time in jail will be good for him. It will also give the next idiot thinking about pulling crap like that something to consider.
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Yeah, because jail time has been such an effective deterrent in the past. ::)
She didn't suffer serious harm, no huge financial loss, so give him an appropriate sentence and keep our jails open for people who really need to there.
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Yeah, because jail time has been such an effective deterrent in the past. ::)
She didn't suffer serious harm, no huge financial loss, so give him an appropriate sentence and keep our jails open for people who really need to there.
At least now douchebags intent on pulling crap like that know jail time can happen.
Funny how people all in favor of civil liberties don't mind privacy being invaded when it's an unpopular person. Are we supposed to assign all rights on the basis of popularity?
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At least now douchebags intent on pulling crap like that know jail time can happen.
Funny how people all in favor of civil liberties don't mind privacy being invaded when it's an unpopular person. Are we supposed to assign all rights on the basis of popularity?
Come on, Doc. Liberals only care about civil liberties when it affects them or the people they champion. They go right out the window the second it involves someone they don't like.
Edit: I'm not referring to Skip.
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At least now douchebags intent on pulling crap like that know jail time can happen.
Right, because that's been so effective against drugs. Great argument. ::)
Funny how people all in favor of civil liberties don't mind privacy being invaded when it's an unpopular person. Are we supposed to assign all rights on the basis of popularity?
Never said anything of the sort, just your made-up bullshit. We can take privacy rights very seriously without having to resort to jail time for every infraction.
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Right, because that's been so effective against drugs. Great argument. ::)
Never said anything of the sort, just your made-up bullshit. We can take privacy rights very seriously without having to resort to jail time for every infraction.
What should they have done... sent him to bed with no desert?! :)
Also, we (the US) enforces plenty of policies that don't work, like the Cuban embargo.
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I'm not defending the guy let me be clear, what he did was wrong, he needs to take full responsibility for his actions and take it in the chin like a man,whatever his punishment will be, however, to say something like " I hope that little fag goes to a max security prison and is raped until he needs a colostomy bag" and wish him that...I find it a little disturbing. As my previous post said, if this were a pedophile I wouldn't have a problem with that .....
just calling it like I see it, I would think a few months in county and maybe a few years probation would work. He'll that's more than most hackers ever get. Most hackers get away free. The feds don't come down on them in mass because there is an industry built around guarding from it and it isn't good for business to fix the problem :D Anyway, the kid is young, looks Jewish, so give him a break :D some probation, make him think about it. It's not like he killed someone.... He should pay a price, but not the kind of price that fucks his whole life. Save that kind of shit for the real dirt bags. Even 5 to 10 in prision will probably leave you worthless scum status for the rest of your life. I would say the same if it were Obama's e-mail hacked.
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What should they have done... sent him to bed with no desert?! :)
Also, we (the US) enforces plenty of policies that don't work, like the Cuban embargo.
No, I agree it has to sting hard. A large fine that he'll be paying for some time, coupled with a boatload of community service (maybe make him shill for Palin's next campaign ;) ), probation, etc.
I'm not against jail time or even prison time if there is enough harm to the victim, I just don't think in this case that jail is warranted.
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What irritates me is the fact Parah Sailin is pushing for " consequences" for this poor kid yet when it comes to applying the same principles to her daughter who most likely committed some kind of illegality she is shielding her and using her influence to get her out of law's reach. Fukin hypocrite.
The Law, the Willow, and the Wicked Witch of Wasilla.
As some of you may know I received a tip a few weeks back about Willow Palin and some potentially criminal behavior. What you don't know is that after initially being very anxious to tell their story, the sources got cold feet and became reticent to speak to me about it.
Many back and forth e-mails and conversations took place, but I was not able to convince them to come forward. The stated reason was a desire for privacy and a fear of retribution from Sarah and Todd Palin who many in the Valley still find intimidating.
I had just about given up on getting any useful information, and then something rather fortunate happened.
The new upstart blog AlaskaWTF, put up this post.
Reading that the story was going to come out from another source (I sort of sent them the link to let them know), my sources decided that it was important to get the correct story published.
This is what I learned.
On December 13, a Wasilla homeowner discovered that the home they had for sale, but were no longer living in, had been broken into and vandalized.
The lock had been forced, five wooden doors had been so badly damaged they needed to be replaced, the walls and floors had been gouged with knives, and vodka and orange juice containers were strewn all over the house. It also appeared that sexual activity had taken place on some of the beds, and a computer, some winter gear, and clothing had all been stolen.
Calculations are that the home suffered between twenty to thirty thousand dollars in damage. Sources say it appeared the teens stayed in the house for several hours, perhaps even overnight.
The Troopers were quickly notified and the investigation began. And at first there were very few leads.
Then in January some information came to light which identified one of the perpetrators. This led to the revelation that the participants were 12 local teens who had used the empty house for a party, a party which had clearly spun badly out of control.
As you have undoubtedly surmised by now one of the teenagers identified was Willow Palin.
As the investigation progressed the children’s parents were notified one by one, including the Palins.
When Sarah was confronted with Willow’s involvement she at first said that it was impossible since Willow was out of town. However when Troopers interviewed the other teens, every single one of them identified Willow as a participant, and further revealed that it was she who directed the other teens to the house, which she knew to be empty, for the sole purpose of having a party. (In today's post AlaskaWTF called Willow the ringleader. Which is accurate in that it was she who knew the location of the house, but whether or not she was involved in the incredible destruction is still undetermined.)
Now confronted with this new information you may assume that the Palins would do the right thing and surrender their daughter to the authorities, allow her to suffer the consequences of her actions, and then treat this as a painful but necessary learning experience.
If you believed that for even an instant then you don’t know squat about Sarah Palin.
No instead Sarah circled the wagons (There are rumors she even hired legal counsel) and she started to call in favors. Scandal had to be avoided at all cost. (This was right around the time that her contract with Fox News was being announced.)
According to sources close to the Alaska State troopers there was a secret weekend meeting. This meeting took place between the Palin’s and some very highly placed people involved in the juvenile justice department.
Directly after this secret meeting the word came down to the juvenile justice probation officer, Chris Evans, that ONLY the boys who had participated would be charged with the crime. The girls would only be identified as “witnesses” and face no criminal penalties.
So of the eleven Palmer teens who accompanied Willow to the Wasilla house two or three of the participants are adults and will stand trial, the five boys will be charged as juveniles for breaking and entering and vandalism, however thanks to Sarah and Todd, the girls will essentially walk away free as little birdies. Which is in direct opposition to the wishes of the probation officer in charge of the case who wants to charge all to them equally.
This has made the State Troopers and those working in the juvenile justice department very, very unhappy. But there was nothing they could do, the Palins had connections, and for them apparently the law simply did not apply.
As of right now the Palins have not offered to pay for the damages to the property and have refused to allow Willow to suffer any significant consequences. And this is the example of personal responsibility and courage that certain members of the GOP believe would be a great leader for this country? Unbelievable isn’t it?
By the way, there are a couple of very interesting coincidences in this story. For one thing do any of you remember where Todd, Sarah, Piper, and Trig were headed to on December 14th, the day after this discovery?
Yep you are right! They were on their way to Hawaii!
Now would you fly off to Hawaii if your daughter had just been involved in a breaking and entering?
Probably not.
So it is conceivable that at this time Sarah would be completely unaware of the break in and her daughter's participation.
Now how long do you think it would take for SOMEBODY to start to panic and call mom? One day? Two days? Maybe it took three days?
Interesting, isn’t it? We all thought she came home out of embarrassment over the scrutiny she was receiving over her blacked out McCain visor and of course her legs, but in fact the hurried flight home may have been in response to this unfortunate incident.
Okay look I know I am going to receive a ton of negative blowback on this post (Boy wouldn’t THAT be a first!), so let me just say that this post is not a condemnation of Willow Palin. As many of you know I like Willow. In fact she has always been my favorite Palin.
As a kid everybody does stupid things, and I was certainly no exception. This is not about Willow making a bad choice. This is about the fact that Sarah Palin has a history of covering up for her children’s mistakes, and bullying people into staying quiet about it.
Willow could be charged right long with the other kids. As a first time offender she would probably pay a fine and do community service. When she turned eighteen her record would be scrubbed and she would walk away with a valuable life lesson. It might be embarrassing but it would also be the kind of experience that keeps a young person from making a similar mistake as an adult. Instead Willow is allowed to fly all over the country and get treated like a celebrity, while many of her friends are left back home in Alaska to face serious consequences.
And don’t think for one minute that Sarah Palin is doing this for her child. Sarah is doing this for Sarah. Having her fifteen year old connected to this crime would reflect poorly on Sarah's image as the perfect parent, in the perfect marriage, with the the perfect children. We all know how laughable that is but it is the image that Palin has worked extremely hard to promote. And the one that her mindless acolytes swallow whole without question.
Any of us who are parents know that for Willow to learn about justice she needs to face the consequences for her actions, just like everybody else who participated in this criminal behavior. By “protecting” her Sarah is teaching her that with enough money, or influence, the law cannot touch you. Is that really a lesson to teach your children only a few short years before you send them out to face the world on their own?
However this time Sarah may have made a very unfortunate calculation. Sarah counted on the people of the Mat-Su Valley to still be intimidated by her, but that may not in fact be the case. Sources have told me that a number of the parents are very unhappy that their children will face charges and that Willow and the other girls will not. Add to that the frustration being felt by the law enforcement professionals assigned to the Valley and I think we can count on this not being the last we hear about this unfortunate incident.
During a conversation with one of my sources I asked why people are still so intimidated by the Palins, and listened to a laundry list of shattered lives left in their wake. Some I already knew, but a few I had never heard of before. Sarah has been running roughshod over the people of the Mat-Su Valley since her days as mayor of Wasilla, as first pointed out in Anne Kilkenney's famous letter back in September 2008. and apparently nothing has changed. Nor will it until the people who have been bullied or victimized by her stand up and say, "Not just no, but HELL NO!"
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Maybe he should be given the option of joining the military like Palins kid. Surely she couldnt have any issue with that since it was OK for her kid.
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Maybe he should be given the option of joining the military like Palins kid. Surely she couldnt have any issue with that since it was OK for her kid.
He'd never be able to pay off a fine.
Military would be funny but probably isn't legal to offer as an alternative to jail.
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He'd never be able to pay off a fine.
Military would be funny but probably isn't legal to offer as an alternative to jail.
the "alleged" story about Palins oldest spawn Track is that he enlisted in the military to avoid jailtime for tampering with the brakes on 40+ school busses.
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National Enquirer strikes again. ::)
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National Enquirer strikes again. ::)
who quoted or referenced the National Enquirer?
there is no doubt that the school busses were tampered with and since the defendents were minors there is no public information but this happened in a small town and the "story" is out there
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hey don't talk about the holy one palin , shes the mother mary on this board ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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hey don't talk about the holy one palin , shes the mother mary on this board ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
She's your next president. Or do you live in Canada?
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She's your next president. Or do you live in Canada?
Do you really believe that???? ;D She's a cash cow for a certain part of republican party ...but that's about it.
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Do you really believe that???? ;D She's a cash cow for a certain part of republican party ...but that's about it.
I don't know. Too early to tell. But she's a great American and I'd prefer her to Obama, without question.
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yeah, any repub who chooses her over guys like Ryan, Thune and pawlenty...
well, youre making the 2008 mistake all over again.
60% of voters said she wasn't qualified to hold the VP job (fox moffit edison poll).
And, since then, she hasn't exactly earned a phd or anything.
She's quit her governor job, got a reality show, and read nice scripts on FOX twice a week.
Also got caught kneepadding on the rush/rahm double standard, and using the redneck palm pilot.
Beach bum, please please, help the GOp choose an electable canddiate in 2012. an inexperienced kenyan with terrorist ties got the job beacuse repubs chose a senile man and palin in 2008. Don't do it again. thanks in advance :)
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::) I guess I could kneepad for Obama, but you got that covered.
I'll be voting for the person who I think will do the best job as president, and who has a legitimate shot to win.
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::) I guess I could kneepad for Obama, but you got that covered.
I'll be voting for the person who I think will do the best job as president, and who has a legitimate shot to win.
well it certainly won't be Palin by those standards
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::) I guess I could kneepad for Obama, but you got that covered.
I'll be voting for the person who I think will do the best job as president, and who has a legitimate shot to win.
But that won't be Palin, she's had almost 2 years on the national stage already and it seems like with every poll that's out she's alienating voters more and more and less people think she's qualified. Yes she might be popular with some but overall she's a liability and repubs know this very well and won't rally behind her.
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But that won't be Palin, she's had almost 2 years on the national stage already and it seems like with every poll that's out she's alienating voters more and more and less people think she's qualified. Yes she might be popular with some but overall she's a liability and repubs know this very well and won't rally behind her.
We'll see. There is an eternity of time between now and 2012. I'm not even sure she's going to run. But I do like her a lot. Had the privilege of meeting her and her family when she came through Hawaii a few months ago. Very good people.
What I'd like to see is someone like her, with her values, from outside the beltway, with grassroots experience. I'm not sure if that will be her or someone else.
But I do think the sentiment in 2012 will be "anybody but Obama."
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" I guess I could kneepad for Obama, but you got that covered. "
hahahahha dude, your own governor is helping kenya's finest stay in office. you're from a whole state of kneepadding, you clinton voter :)
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We'll see. There is an eternity of time between now and 2012. I'm not even sure she's going to run. But I do like her a lot. Had the privilege of meeting her and her family when she came through Hawaii a few months ago. Very good people.
What I'd like to see is someone like her, with her values, from outside the beltway, with grassroots experience. I'm not sure if that will be her or someone else.
But I do think the sentiment in 2012 will be "anybody but Obama."
What values???? Lies, distortion and smears??????? C'mmon man...you've got to be kidding me..! The woman is an absolute snake and hypocrite! Pregnant daughter at 17?? Don't get me started....values my ass. Romney is a bit of a flip flopper but he's by faaar way more qualified and balanced mentally than this drama queen. Very fuckable material but THAT's IT!!
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her values?
let's see....
she supported amnesty, the bailout, and tons of spending in her own state.
not only that, but she's currenlty endorsing RINOs like Mccain, Steele and Romney.
Actually though - maybe those are your values, I have no clue. If you're a RINO, she is a good pick for you, like a romney with boobies instead of economic experience. There are always candidates like Tancredo, if you are against things like amnesty and the bailout. It's an individual thing.
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her values?
let's see....
she supported amnesty, the bailout, and tons of spending in her own state.
not only that, but she's currenlty endorsing RINOs like Mccain, Steele and Romney.
Actually though - maybe those are your values, I have no clue. If you're a RINO, she is a good pick for you, like a romney with boobies instead of economic experience. There are always candidates like Tancredo, if you are against things like amnesty and the bailout. It's an individual thing.
Nancy likes Palin because she a fundie and didn't have an abortion
everything else is a distant second
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Considering the absolute blast us right wingers are having at the daily train wreck that is the obama admn don't you lefties want the same thing in four years?
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What values???? Lies, distortion and smears??????? C'mmon man...you've got to be kidding me..! The woman is an absolute snake and hypocrite! Pregnant daughter at 17?? Don't get me started....values my ass. Romney is a bit of a flip flopper but he's by faaar way more qualified and balanced mentally than this drama queen. Very fuckable material but THAT's IT!!
Like fighting corruption in her home state. Like the hard work that allowed her to be elected to city council, mayor, and governor. Like having a successful marriage and successfully raising a family. Like refusing to abort her baby even though it had Down Syndrome. Like her faith in God.
What precisely makes her "an absolute snake and hypocrite!"?
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Considering the absolute blast us right wingers are having at the daily train wreck that is the obama admn don't you lefties want the same thing in four years?
so you're admitting a Palin administration would be a train wreck?
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They hate her because they fear her.
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Palin would probably invade Iran.
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Like fighting corruption in her home state. Like the hard work that allowed her to be elected to city council, mayor, and governor. Like having a successful marriage and successfully raising a family. Like refusing to abort her baby even though it had Down Syndrome. Like her faith in God.
What precisely makes her "an absolute snake and hypocrite!"?
her own personal corruption, kids out of control, quiting her job, etc..
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They hate her because they fear her.
who is they and what do they fear?
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Translation - she is not man hating ugly fat pig commie.
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Translation - she is not man hating ugly fat pig commie.
another pearl of wisdom from 333
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I knew you would like that one straw.
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I knew you would like that one straw.
I've said it before - I pray to the baby jebus that Palin runs in 2012
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Palin would probably invade Iran.
Obama will probably bomb Iran.
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Obama will probably bomb Iran.
I guess I can't comment other than you're probably right ::) I would comment but: Troll stocker alert....
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beach bum likes the religious issue, he's a very religious man. I can respect that.
personally, I don't give a shit what a candidate believes in - as long as he makes our country stronger.
I do not believe Obama is making us stronger, nor do I believe Palin would make us stronger.
I'd like to see Tancredo more and more every day.
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Like fighting corruption in her home state. Like the hard work that allowed her to be elected to city council, mayor, and governor. Like having a successful marriage and successfully raising a family. Like refusing to abort her baby even though it had Down Syndrome. Like her faith in God.
What precisely makes her "an absolute snake and hypocrite!"?
::) ::) ::) maybe ...this??? to start with ....along with other countless instances....one that comes to mind is the "retard" episode where she defends Limbaugh but totally blasts Rahm for using the expression
http://www.techeye.net/security/sarah-palin-accused-of-hacking (http://www.techeye.net/security/sarah-palin-accused-of-hacking)
Sarah Palin accused of hacking
The world was all abuzz when former republican deputy presidential hopeful Sarah Palin took the stand Friday in the trial of Former University of Tennessee student David Kernell.
Kernell is charged with hacking Palin's Yahoo! e-mail account during the period while Palin campaigned in the 2008 presidential campaign.
Kernell could get 50 years in prison over this incident. He would be 72 years old when he gets out of prison.
Hacks from the Anchorage Daily News asked her if she thought the charges against Kernell were excessive and she told them she thought there should be consequences for bad behaviour.
Fair enough, after all if every hacker got 50 years that would tell people something right?
We assume then she would be demanding that she is arrested and charged with hacking into a state employees' computer back in 2004.
An article in the Anchorage Daily News said in 2004 that Sarah Palin hacked Randy Ruedrich's computer to find some dirt on him. What she was hoping to find was proof that the state Republican Party boss had broken the state ethics law while a member of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.
She noticed that Ruedrich had removed his pictures from the walls and the personal effects from his desk. But as she and an AOGCC technician worked their way around his computer password at the behest of an assistant attorney general in Fairbanks, they found his cleanup had not extended to his electronic files.
The technician "said it looked like he tried to delete this, but she knew a way to go around and get some of the deleted stuff." Palin said in an interview. "I didn't know what I was looking for, but I was there."
She found dozens of e-mail messages and documents stacked up in trash folders, many showing work Ruedrich had been doing for the Republican Party and others showing how closely he worked with at least one company he was supposed to be regulating.
Much later, Ruedrich settled state ethics charges June 22 by paying a record $12,000 civil fine and admitting wrongdoing.
Her argument is that she found evidence of wrongdoing so it was “good behaviour”, however if Kernell thought he might find something wrong doing in Palin's emails that is 50 years in jail in the former vice presidential nominee's universe. If charged, and then convicted, she would be very very old when she got out of clink.
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50 years is a bit much maybe they could give him two and some pain. :)
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beach bum likes the religious issue, he's a very religious man. I can respect that.
personally, I don't give a shit what a candidate believes in - as long as he makes our country stronger.
I do not believe Obama is making us stronger, nor do I believe Palin would make us stronger.
I'd like to see Tancredo more and more every day.
What?? What is the "religious issue"? You talk about Palin's religion way more than I do.
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::) ::) ::) maybe ...this??? to start with ....along with other countless instances....one that comes to mind is the "retard" episode where she defends Limbaugh but totally blasts Rahm for using the expression
http://www.techeye.net/security/sarah-palin-accused-of-hacking (http://www.techeye.net/security/sarah-palin-accused-of-hacking)
Sarah Palin accused of hacking
The world was all abuzz when former republican deputy presidential hopeful Sarah Palin took the stand Friday in the trial of Former University of Tennessee student David Kernell.
Kernell is charged with hacking Palin's Yahoo! e-mail account during the period while Palin campaigned in the 2008 presidential campaign.
Kernell could get 50 years in prison over this incident. He would be 72 years old when he gets out of prison.
Hacks from the Anchorage Daily News asked her if she thought the charges against Kernell were excessive and she told them she thought there should be consequences for bad behaviour.
Fair enough, after all if every hacker got 50 years that would tell people something right?
We assume then she would be demanding that she is arrested and charged with hacking into a state employees' computer back in 2004.
An article in the Anchorage Daily News said in 2004 that Sarah Palin hacked Randy Ruedrich's computer to find some dirt on him. What she was hoping to find was proof that the state Republican Party boss had broken the state ethics law while a member of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.
She noticed that Ruedrich had removed his pictures from the walls and the personal effects from his desk. But as she and an AOGCC technician worked their way around his computer password at the behest of an assistant attorney general in Fairbanks, they found his cleanup had not extended to his electronic files.
The technician "said it looked like he tried to delete this, but she knew a way to go around and get some of the deleted stuff." Palin said in an interview. "I didn't know what I was looking for, but I was there."
She found dozens of e-mail messages and documents stacked up in trash folders, many showing work Ruedrich had been doing for the Republican Party and others showing how closely he worked with at least one company he was supposed to be regulating.
Much later, Ruedrich settled state ethics charges June 22 by paying a record $12,000 civil fine and admitting wrongdoing.
Her argument is that she found evidence of wrongdoing so it was “good behaviour”, however if Kernell thought he might find something wrong doing in Palin's emails that is 50 years in jail in the former vice presidential nominee's universe. If charged, and then convicted, she would be very very old when she got out of clink.
You're exaggerating just a tad. There are "countless instances" of Palin being a "snake and hypocrite," but the only two you cite are her allegedly turning a blind eye to Rush Limbaugh's use of the word "retard" and an allegation from 2004 about hacking? So let me get this straight: an "article" in 2004 accused Palin of hacking (something you have accepted as fact), and the guy she allegedly hacked (Ruedrich) had to pay a $12,000 fine for ethics violations, while Palin was never accused (formally) or found guilty of any wrongdoing? You gotta do better than that.
And no National Enquirer stories about Palin lying about being pregnant and faking her childbirth. :)
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Palin has been found not guilty on almosÞ every single bogus charge against her.
You libs hate her because she is not some morbidly obese crew cut hairdo, angry, commie, star wars bar scene looking, 24 7 365 abortion any time anywhere, gay, crunchy, doped up, mirror cracking, extreme left, shrill, haggardly, pant suit wearing, messy dyke.
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:-X
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Palin has been found not guilty on almosÞ every single bogus charge against her.
You libs hate her because she is not some morbidly obese crew cut hairdo, angry, commie, star wars bar scene looking, 24 7 365 abortion any time anywhere, gay, crunchy, doped up, mirror cracking, extreme left, shrill, haggardly, pant suit wearing, messy dyke.
what were those bogus charges again?
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Palin has been found not guilty on almosÞ every single bogus charge against her.
You libs hate her because she is not some morbidly obese crew cut hairdo, angry, commie, star wars bar scene looking, 24 7 365 abortion any time anywhere, gay, crunchy, doped up, mirror cracking, extreme left, shrill, haggardly, pant suit wearing, messy dyke.
reallly.... ::)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/palin-found-guilty-of-power-abuse/story-e6frf7jo-1111117724016 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/palin-found-guilty-of-power-abuse/story-e6frf7jo-1111117724016)
REPUBLICAN vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin used her job as Alaska Governor to get a state trooper sacked, a report said today.
In a 263-page report released by Alaska's Legislative Council following a six-hour closed doors hearing, investigator Steve Branchflower said Governor Palin was guilty of violating state ethics rules for public officials.
"I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110 (a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act," Branchflower wrote in the report.
The report comes as another blow to John McCain's struggling White House bid.
As McCain sought to restore control over unruly rallies which have seen a stream of invective, including a death threat, aimed at Democratic rival Barack Obama, the "troopergate" scandal threatened to torpedo his campaign.
In the long awaited report Mr Branchflower said she had allowed her husband Todd Palin to use the Alaska governor's office and its resources to pressure officials to fire her former brother-in-law, state trooper Mike Wooten.
"Governor Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda, to wit: to get Trooper Michael Wooten fired," the report said.
"She had the authority and power to require Mr Palin to cease contacting subordinates, but she failed to act," the report added.
Palin, the first woman to be selected on a Republican ticket, was plucked from political obscurity in Alaska by the Arizona senator in late August to be his running mate in the November 4 elections.
A devout Christian mother-of-five who is pro-life and a committed hunter, she fired up the party's conservative base, which had not fully embraced McCain.
But her lack of national and foreign experience raised doubts among observers about McCain's hasty judgment in assigning such a high office to a young unknown.
Palin, 44, has become McCain's chief attack dog against Obama, drawing thousands of people to her rallies, and accusing the Chicago senator at the weekend of "palling around with terrorists".
As Obama, 47, took a hefty lead in the polls even in battleground states, McCain's campaign sought to refocus its fight for the White House away from the economy, with relentless, searing attacks.
But a series of negative ads casting doubt on Obama's character and his past associations backed by frequent pointed questions about who he is, whipped up anger at Republican rallies, causing widespread concern.
After the US Secret Service said yesterday it was investigating an alleged death threat shouted at a Florida rally, McCain was forced to tone down the attacks.
"We want to fight, and I will fight, but we will be respectful. I admire Senator Obama and his accomplishments and I will respect him," McCain, 72, told a Minnesota rally today.
"I want to be president ... but I have to tell you that he is a decent person and a person you don't have to be scared of as president of the United States."
Crowds at the rallies had become increasing inflammatory shouting out "terrorist" and "liar" when Obama was mentioned. At one Florida rally, someone even shouted "kill him".
Obama, who has kept his campaign focused on the country's worst economic crisis since the Great Depression in the 1930s, today rebuked McCain for preaching a politics of "anger and division".
"In the last couple of days we have seen a barrage of nasty insinuations and attacks and I am sure we will see much more over the next 25 days," he told an Ohio rally.
"It's easy to rile up a crowd by stoking anger and division. But that is not what we need now in the United States, the times are too serious."
The economy is now voters' top concern, and for the first time in a Newsweek poll, Obama was yesterday given a double digit lead, 52 per cent with 41 per cent for McCain.
The last poll by the magazine a month ago, before the economic crisis began to bite, had the two men tied on 46 per cent.
But with 25 days to go before Americans cast their ballots, McCain vowed to rally.
"How many times, my friends, have the pundits written off the McCain campaign?" he told the cheering crowd. "We're going to fool 'em again, my friend!"
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I dont like her because I feel there are MUCH better prepared repub candidates, and I'd like to see one of them beat the pants off obama.
She's going to look dumb against Obama - let's face it. The moment they ask some Q in the debate about a detailed situation, she'll revent to her "america rocks, am I right?" answer. Obama will list details about the nation, leader, situation, etc.
And, she's a lot like Obama on her positions, actually. She told America how much we needed the bailout. She supported the amnesty bill, and even talked about the importance of those illegals eventually voting.
There are repubs who know their shit, who will make obama look like a dummy in the debates. She ain't one of them.
There are repubs who have true conservative positions - she ain't one of them.
She is ideal for repubs whose morals won't let them have a wank at tube8 or another porn site - so they enjoy their stiffy watching fox news. Once you nut, you'd realize your infatuation was unfounded and there are better people to choose for the 2012 GOp nomination.
So go watch some porn, then support Thune, Perry, pwlenty, Tancredo, or whoever else could whoop obama. Thanks in advance!
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reallly.... ::)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/palin-found-guilty-of-power-abuse/story-e6frf7jo-1111117724016 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/palin-found-guilty-of-power-abuse/story-e6frf7jo-1111117724016)
REPUBLICAN vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin used her job as Alaska Governor to get a state trooper sacked, a report said today.
In a 263-page report released by Alaska's Legislative Council following a six-hour closed doors hearing, investigator Steve Branchflower said Governor Palin was guilty of violating state ethics rules for public officials.
"I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110 (a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act," Branchflower wrote in the report.
The report comes as another blow to John McCain's struggling White House bid.
As McCain sought to restore control over unruly rallies which have seen a stream of invective, including a death threat, aimed at Democratic rival Barack Obama, the "troopergate" scandal threatened to torpedo his campaign.
In the long awaited report Mr Branchflower said she had allowed her husband Todd Palin to use the Alaska governor's office and its resources to pressure officials to fire her former brother-in-law, state trooper Mike Wooten.
"Governor Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda, to wit: to get Trooper Michael Wooten fired," the report said.
"She had the authority and power to require Mr Palin to cease contacting subordinates, but she failed to act," the report added.
Palin, the first woman to be selected on a Republican ticket, was plucked from political obscurity in Alaska by the Arizona senator in late August to be his running mate in the November 4 elections.
A devout Christian mother-of-five who is pro-life and a committed hunter, she fired up the party's conservative base, which had not fully embraced McCain.
But her lack of national and foreign experience raised doubts among observers about McCain's hasty judgment in assigning such a high office to a young unknown.
Palin, 44, has become McCain's chief attack dog against Obama, drawing thousands of people to her rallies, and accusing the Chicago senator at the weekend of "palling around with terrorists".
As Obama, 47, took a hefty lead in the polls even in battleground states, McCain's campaign sought to refocus its fight for the White House away from the economy, with relentless, searing attacks.
But a series of negative ads casting doubt on Obama's character and his past associations backed by frequent pointed questions about who he is, whipped up anger at Republican rallies, causing widespread concern.
After the US Secret Service said yesterday it was investigating an alleged death threat shouted at a Florida rally, McCain was forced to tone down the attacks.
"We want to fight, and I will fight, but we will be respectful. I admire Senator Obama and his accomplishments and I will respect him," McCain, 72, told a Minnesota rally today.
"I want to be president ... but I have to tell you that he is a decent person and a person you don't have to be scared of as president of the United States."
Crowds at the rallies had become increasing inflammatory shouting out "terrorist" and "liar" when Obama was mentioned. At one Florida rally, someone even shouted "kill him".
Obama, who has kept his campaign focused on the country's worst economic crisis since the Great Depression in the 1930s, today rebuked McCain for preaching a politics of "anger and division".
"In the last couple of days we have seen a barrage of nasty insinuations and attacks and I am sure we will see much more over the next 25 days," he told an Ohio rally.
"It's easy to rile up a crowd by stoking anger and division. But that is not what we need now in the United States, the times are too serious."
The economy is now voters' top concern, and for the first time in a Newsweek poll, Obama was yesterday given a double digit lead, 52 per cent with 41 per cent for McCain.
The last poll by the magazine a month ago, before the economic crisis began to bite, had the two men tied on 46 per cent.
But with 25 days to go before Americans cast their ballots, McCain vowed to rally.
"How many times, my friends, have the pundits written off the McCain campaign?" he told the cheering crowd. "We're going to fool 'em again, my friend!"
lol. Really?
Breaking: Sarah Palin cleared in Troopergate by independent state panel
November 3, 2008 | 5:19 pm
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A report by an independent state personnel board has cleared Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin of ethics violations in the firing of her public safety commissioner last summer.
Released today, the last day of the presidential campaign as the 44-year-old mother of five hop-scotched across the country to numerous states in last-minute hectic campaigning, the report says there is no probable cause to believe Palin or any other state official violated the Alaska Executive Ethics Act in connection with the firing.
The report was prepared by an independent counsel for the Alaska Personnel Board.
A separate legislative investigation recently concluded that Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, abused her office.
The charges included she allowed her husband and staffers to pressure the public safety commissioner to fire a state trooper who went through a nasty divorce from Palin's sister and other charges and that he Tasered their son and threatened members of the Palin family.
Palin says the commissioner's firing had nothing to do with the incident involving the trooper.
Palin's attorney Thomas Van Flein released a statement saying:
“Gov. Palin is pleased that the independent investigator for the Personnel Board has concluded that she acted properly in the reassignment of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.
"The Governor is grateful that this investigation has provided a fair and impartial review of this matter and upholds the Governor’s ability to take measures when necessary to ensure that Alaskans have the best possible team working to serve them."
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/11/sarah-palin-tro.html
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I believe you're both right. In October, a heavy-republican group (Alaska's Legislative Council) found her guilty of violating state ethics rules for public officials.
About a month later, an independent counsel for the Alaska Personnel Board filed a second report saying she was not guilty.
So she was found guilty by the board, then the day after the election, this person found her not guilty.
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She was cleared on the other 26 bogus charges as well.
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Alaska Personel Board = 3 member board appointed by the prior Governor (one of which was re-appointed by Palin)
i don't see how the finding of this board nullifies the finding of Alaska's Legislative Council
The facts are pretty clear Monigan was fired because he wouldn't do the bidding of Palin to fire her former brother in law.
There are plenty of other incident of sleaze by the Palin administration. It seems odd that someone who was only in office for 2 years had so many incidents like this
I say where there is smoke there is probably fire
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Alaska Personel Board = 3 member board appointed by the prior Governor (one of which was re-appointed by Palin)
i don't see how the finding of this board nullifies the finding of Alaska's Legislative Council
The facts are pretty clear Monigan was fired because he wouldn't do the bidding of Palin to fire her former brother in law.
There are plenty of other incident of sleaze by the Palin administration. It seems odd that someone who was only in office for 2 years had so many incidents like this
I say where there is smoke there is probably fire
The second "finding"...was just a cover up so it doesnt derail her vice presidential run. Some people are just blinded by her star power and want to believe she's oh so perfect and "fighthing corruption...she's one of us"...bullshit. BTW here's something that came out recently.....
http://www.doiwantthat.com/2010/05/sarah-palins-latest-facebook-lie/ (http://www.doiwantthat.com/2010/05/sarah-palins-latest-facebook-lie/)
Sarah Palins Latest Facebook Lie
Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin — recently dubbed by Gabriel Sherman of as the “President of bourgeois America” — and her Anchorage attorney Thomas Van Flein continue to deal in duplicity and fraud in response to findings issued by the Alaska Department of Law apropos Ethics Act complaints levied adjoin Palin and her deceptively named Alaska Fund Trust.
Van Flein, who is as pompous as he is verbose, rambled extensively in a missive entitled “Hit and Miss”:. In a widely reported announcement on Palin’s Facebook page — the intellectual bunker from which Palin launches her lies and verbal grenades, yet addition “filter,” as Andrew Sullivan recently noted, that “protects Palin from scrutiny” — Van Flein issued yet addition troubling and intentionally misleading statement about Palin’s violations of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.
(Indeed, Palin is to political transparency what raw crude is to ocean water, but that’s addition matter). Quite a mouthful (French, Latin and benighted English in a single sentence!), and it’s a backpack of lies further obfuscated by the fact that neither Palin nor Van Flein had theintellectual integrity to make the opinion public.
Instead, it asserts simply that the Ethics Act applies solely “to a current officer and does not apply to a former accessible officer by definition.” The complaint referenced was filed adjoin Palin last year she quit her governorship midterm amid mounting political controversies in Alaska. Furthermore, the AlaskaFund Trust (set up to pay for Palin’s mounting legal bills — and not to be confused with SarahPAC, with which she spends money on her political allies and sycophants) remains “frozen” following a “preliminary finding” in July of 2009 in which independent Alaska Personnel Board investigator Thomas Daniel contended that “there is apparent cause to believe that Governor Palin used, or attempted to use, her official position for claimed gain” in establishing the fund. In fact, the ruling — which I have exclusively obtained — is extremely limited in its scope (at two-and-half pages it is hardly “detailed”) and does nothing to address the “factual” basis of the complaint, as Van Flein contends.
They also diminish the Palin “brand” as marketed in every medium imaginable back her self-serving resignation nine months ago. Those are details, of course, that Palin and Van Flein would rather not make public, particularly to the masses alfresco of Alaska who follow Palin on Facebook as she aboveboard promotes herself towards a run for the presidency in 2012. (In Alaska, she is still widely referred to as a “grifter.”).
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any vote for Palin in the primaries is a vote for Obama in the general election.
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any vote for Palin in the primaries is a vote for Obama in the general election.
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Palin followers will be in tears when they figure out that Palin has no intention of running and even less interest in governing.
Do you think Palin wishes she were dealing with the oil spill and NYC bomb right now or would she prefer to be twittering her inane comments to her gaggle of dumfoudned dipshits and collecting a fat paycheck from Faux News
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any vote for Palin in the primaries is a vote for Obama in the general election.
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Any vote for Crist in the general election in Florida is a vote for Meek,an Obama suck ass. ::)
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Any vote for Crist in the general election in Florida is a vote for Meek,an Obama suck ass. ::)
How old are you? ;D
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Palin followers will be in tears when they figure out that Palin has no intention of running and even less interest in governing.
Do you think Palin wishes she were dealing with the oil spill and NYC bomb right now or would she prefer to be twittering her inane comments to her gaggle of dumfoudned dipshits and collecting a fat paycheck from Faux News
And any taxpayer should be crying over the treason being commited by Dear Asshole in Chief right now.
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This is from her personal attorney. But I guess 240, DU, HP, and the commies, pinkos, marxists, lgbt'ers, enviro freaks, and their motly crew know something her lawyer doesnt. Care to to refute this O Danny boy?
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Swing and a missShare..
Tuesday, April 27, 2010 at 8:06pm
Yesterday we learned that another “ethics” complaint that was filed against Governor Palin was dismissed as baseless. (If you are counting, the Governor is 26-0-1 regarding such complaints or suits, with one still pending). Only this complaint was actually filed after she left office, and alleged that the mere existence of the Alaska Fund Trust (the legal defense fund set up for her to help defray the costs incurred during the Troopergate fiasco and related machinations that followed in its wake) was violative of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act as well as its solicitation or receipt of contributions. The raison d’être of the legal defense fund was inexorably linked to Governor Palin’s nomination as the Republican candidate for Vice President and the post-nomination political tactics arising therefrom; thus making the nomination sine quo non for the fund. In a detailed opinion, the complaint was dismissed as lacking a factual or legal basis. Last June, upon learning that a complaint against the Governor’s Anchorage Office Director was dismissed as baseless, Governor Palin’s then Chief of Staff Mike Nizich said, “This is not about holding the governor or state employees accountable. This is pure harassment.” That still rings true today.
When I discussed this with Governor Palin, she had an interesting take: “My reaction upon reading the opinion in this matter was not what I expected. Though I’m always pleased with the results of these investigations that prove the false allegations wrong, and I appreciate the detailed reasoning set forth in this recent opinion, I was primarily disappointed that the State of Alaska, the Attorney General’s office, and others, still have to spend time and resources addressing the abusive onslaught of frivolous complaints directed against me—even after I left office.”
At times (indeed, as recently as Sunday in a magazine cover story) people allege that the “real” reason Governor Palin stepped down was to “make money” (citing primarily her best selling book). As this most current complaint again emphasizes, Governor Palin stepped down for the right reasons—she did not want to see her state government continue to get bogged down with inane “ethics” complaints that were transparently political, plainly partisan, and diverting state resources. The voluntary relinquishment of power for the greater good is normally praised as an example of true leadership—just review any biography of George Washington—and it should be in this case as well. But for those who seek power for the sake of power, a selfless act is confusing, so a new narrative is created, such as the “profit” motive now being asserted with renewed vigor. Rest assured Sarah Palin had obtained approval to write her memoir while still in office without running into any conflict with the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act. Her financial future from her best selling book, though unknown then, would not have altered much whether she stayed in office or resigned, except the number of “ethics” complaints did dramatically decrease, so any legal fees associated with such complaints decreased concomitantly.
Let this latest dismissed complaint serve as a reminder for one of the real—and stated—reasons for her voluntary relinquishment of office, an office she campaigned for diligently, tirelessly and effectively. It stands as a marker that occasionally, every so often, there are public servants who can recognize the difference between self-interest and public interest. Sarah Palin is one such public servant.
- Thomas Van Flein, personal attorney for Sarah Palin
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refute what...a statement from her lawyer????? people accused of murder have lawyers that say they are not guilty but that doesn't mean shit.::) Oh that Palin and her lawyer are sooo always "right" no matter what. Of course You can believe whatever you want ...but facts are facts. She was found guilty by Alaska's Legislative Council. End of story.
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The fact that she is 26-0-1 on the bogus ethics complaints filed against her by the likes of that little fag who hacked her account.
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This little punk should be waterboarded
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Agreed. I also don't think he should be punished on the basis that this prevented Palin from communicating with her staff.
She broke the law in using her personal email for government business.
You can't punish a kid for preventing someone else from breaking the law.
That's where a judge should say tough poop. I can't compensate you for your inability to break the law.
And as for big tits... Billy, you're one to talk. At least he's not full of pubescent like acne.
Not to detract from the subject at hand, ...but wtf was she thinking using a yahoo email for government business? And to have such a flimsy easilyy accessible password security? Where is her judgement? Could you have imagined if she was the VP? She'd be using yahoo for vice-presidential business? ...or would she have quit her job as VP to do the FOX reality / talk show circuit?
Hey skank,I TAKE STEROIDS.Acne is part of steroids.By the way,I take steroids and win meets and squat 942 so my use is justified,lets compare that to many of the getbig pukes who take steroids to walk around in their wife beaters.
Now,I know your jealous of this little fag because his tits are bigger then yours[including your back tits]and he would probably be able to get a date with a man quicker then you, and despite the swelling of your clit,your pissed because you don't have a full fledged penis yet,but there is no need to insult me.
This little girl will go to jail where I hope he is introduced to the world of anal rape.Although,by the looks of him can it really be called rape when he obviously wants it to happen.This is his dream come true,being some prisoners little bitch.Its the liberal males dream,now he can live it.Like I said,I hope he needs a colostomy bag when he gets out of jail.
Congrats though.I knew you would blame Palin for getting hacked.Liberals are very predicable.
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Other than the right to a 365/24/7 taxpayer funded abortion and those of foreign terrorists, there is not one right that the left in this country supports. Not one.
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Hey skank,I TAKE STEROIDS.Acne is part of steroids.By the way,I take steroids and win meets and squat 942 so my use is justified,lets compare that to many of the getbig pukes who take steroids to walk around in their wife beaters.
Now,I know your jealous of this little fag because his tits are bigger then yours[including your back tits]and he would probably be able to get a date with a man quicker then you, and despite the swelling of your clit,your pissed because you don't have a full fledged penis yet,but there is no need to insult me.
This little #### will go to jail where I hope he is introduced to the world of anal rape.Although,by the looks of him can it really be called rape when he obviously wants it to happen.This is his dream come true,being some prisoners little bitch.Its the liberal males dream,now he can live it.Like I said,I hope he needs a colostomy bag when he gets out of jail.
Congrats though.I knew you would blame Palin for getting hacked.Liberals are very predicable.
is that legal? D is that worse than being an illegal alien?
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is that legal? D is that worse than being an illegal alien?
I dont know,but the difference is I SAY ITS ILLEGAL!!!!I dont say its not as the illegal idiots do.
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I dont know,but the difference is I SAY ITS ILLEGAL!!!!I dont say its not as the illegal idiots do.
What YOU are saying or what THEY are saying is totally irrelevant. In the eyes of the law you are probably breaking it just as much as they are I would think :)
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What YOU are saying or what THEY are saying is totally irrelevant. In the eyes of the law you are probably breaking it just as much as they are I would think :)
Who cares?I dont ever post that they are breaking the law and Ive never ranted about illegals.Im fine with it the way it is.Just beef up the border.Im not for deporting them or making them legal.I have no opinion of it.In fact the only thing Ive said about it is the Arizona law changes nothing that already is done every single day.The filthy police can pull you over now and demand ID and ,make up any excuse they want.I see nothing in the Arizona law that changes this.
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The fact that she is 26-0-1 on the bogus ethics complaints filed against her by the likes of that little fag who hacked her account.
Pretty obvious that the complaints were politically motivated.
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he broke the law - lock his punk ass up. end thread.
Source: BBC News
A student convicted of hacking into former Alaska governor Sarah Palin's email account in 2008 has been sentenced to a year in state custody.
David Kernell guessed the answers to Ms Palin's security questions and reset her password, prosecutors said.
Defence lawyers described the offence as a youthful prank. Kernell was a 20-year-old student at the University of Tennessee when he committed the crime.
The judge recommended his term be served in a halfway house, not prison.
Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11744412
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Have fun in jail you lib.
Typical looking leftist dweeb.
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Typical looking leftist dweeb.
333 why would you bump this? There are no new developments here.
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333 why would you bump this? There are no new developments here.
He posted the link to the story about the kid getting sentenced to a year in jail.
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He posted the link to the story about the kid getting sentenced to a year in jail.
Did this sentencing just take place?
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Did this sentencing just take place?
He posted the link to the story.
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He posted the link to the story.
{blush} Oooops. my bad. :P