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American officials declared that the failed car bomb that forced the evacuation of New York's Times Square was an "act of terrorism."
by Nick Allen
"Luckily, no one is hurt, and now the full attention of city, state and federal law enforcement will be turned to bringing the guilty party to justice in this act of terrorism," New York Governor David Paterson said.
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The dark green Nissan Pathfinder with tinted windows was parked near the junction of 45th Street and Broadway.
The location is also adjacent to the Viacom building, fuelling speculation that it might be linked to the company's controversial South Park cartoon which recently depicted Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit.
It was abandoned with its engine running and hazard lights flashing. A T-shirt vendor, who was a Vietnam veteran, alerted police when he noticed smoke coming out of it.
More details: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/
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All this over a friggin' cartoon?
Put it next to the Fox News building next time.
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I try to stay from times square. Way too crowded w tourists.
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Didn't those dumbasses know Santa was in the bear suit?!
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Islam = religion of peace. ::)
All this does is prove the point that the South Park creators were trying to make.
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Islam = religion of peace. ::)
All this does is prove the point that the South Park creators were trying to make.
Fundamental Islam is not peaceful at all.
We lack the national and global political will to do what stopping these whackos would take.
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American officials declared that the failed car bomb that forced the evacuation of New York's Times Square was an "act of terrorism."
by Nick Allen
"Luckily, no one is hurt, and now the full attention of city, state and federal law enforcement will be turned to bringing the guilty party to justice in this act of terrorism," New York Governor David Paterson said.
=snip=
The dark green Nissan Pathfinder with tinted windows was parked near the junction of 45th Street and Broadway.
The location is also adjacent to the Viacom building, fuelling speculation that it might be linked to the company's controversial South Park cartoon which recently depicted Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit.
It was abandoned with its engine running and hazard lights flashing. A T-shirt vendor, who was a Vietnam veteran, alerted police when he noticed smoke coming out of it.
More details: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/
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Nothing like a fake terrorism act to begin instituting police state regulations. Can someone tell me how the cops knew a bomb was inside this Nissan Pathfinder? How long was this vehicle parked there? If a terrorist is going to detonate a car bomb why wait?..just get out of the car move a distance away and then detonate. Wasn't there another incidence of a supposed bomb in a white truck in the Times Square area reported last year on Yahoo and I am sure every major news outlet? Didn't it end up just being a supposedly "abandoned" truck? No bomb found.
Can you say FISHY
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IF they are false flag attacks, which I can't prove but IF they are, at least they're doing them with duds. :D This is the second fizzle in recent months.
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Nothing like a fake terrorism act to begin instituting police state regulations. Can someone tell me how the cops knew a bomb was inside this Nissan Pathfinder? How long was this vehicle parked there? If a terrorist is going to detonate a car bomb why wait?..just get out of the car move a distance away and then detonate. Wasn't there another incidence of a supposed bomb in a white truck in the Times Square area reported last year on Yahoo and I am sure every major news outlet? Didn't it end up just being a supposedly "abandoned" truck? No bomb found.
Can you say FISHY
I'd ask you to prove it but we all know that's never going to happen. Might as well mosey on out of this thread like you do every other one. :D
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IF they are false flag attacks, which I can't prove but IF they are, at least they're doing them with duds. :D This is the second fizzle in recent months.
I would say these are definitely FALSE FLAGS ATTACKS. As it stands the only thing needed is the potential act to happen. So expect these events to occur around americas cities. I think it will only be when people don't respond to potential attacks that they will turn into actual attacks and lives will be lost for the sake of government gaining control through police state laws, regulations etc
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the NY brass keeps saying "act of international terror", right?
they must know something.
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Remeber what celente said.
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Islam = religion of peace. ::)
All this does is prove the point that the South Park creators were trying to make.
i wouldn't be surprised if this is some McVeigh wannabe....so let's not jump to conclusions.
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Gmafb danny. The pakistani taliban already took credit for this like celente said would be happening.
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i wouldn't be surprised if this is some McVeigh wannabe....so let's not jump to conclusions.
my thoughts exactly
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i wouldn't be surprised if this is some McVeigh wannabe....so let's not jump to conclusions.
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The 15,000+ documented terrorist attacks since 2001 speak loads for "jumping to conclusions", regardless of whether or not this turns out to have been carried out by Muslim fanatics.
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i wouldn't be surprised if this is some McVeigh wannabe....so let's not jump to conclusions.
I also think so
BUT every time there is an Earth quake, Volcano, Hurricane, Tornado, Tsunami, whale beaching, recession, new hole in the ozone layer, AIDS, Malaria or the black plague the NWO, America and the Jews are blamed.
True story
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Liberalism is a severe mental disorder.
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What if it turns out to be a white (American) guy that converted?
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What if it turns out to be a white (American) guy that converted?
All that does is further prove that Islam = violence. Throws that little "but it's their culture, not the religion" excuse right out the window. Not that it hasn't been done already. :D
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All that does is further prove that Islam = violence. Throws that little "but it's their culture, not the religion" excuse right out the window. Not that it hasn't been done already. :D
It would prove to me the guy was a dumbass.
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It would prove to me the guy was a dumbass.
Well, being a dumbass and Muslim fanatic go hand-in-hand.
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Well, being a dumbass and Muslim fanatic go hand-in-hand.
Applies to all fanatics.
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Applies to all fanatics.
Yes, yes. What's a discussion about Islam without you bringing up the Christians. Might as well get it out of the way and start likening this to 1200 CE and the Crusades. ::)
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Yes, yes. What's a discussion about Islam without you bringing up the Christians. Might as well get it out of the way and start likening this to 1200 CE and the Crusades. ::)
who mentioned Christians?
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Yes, yes. What's a discussion about Islam without you bringing up the Christians. Might as well get it out of the way and start likening this to 1200 CE and the Crusades. ::)
I'm of a mind all fundamentalism is bad but ours are a little worse.
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I'm of a mind all fundamentalism is bad but ours are a little worse.
Is that a Jtsunami post? Doesn't even make sense. Are you saying that American fundamentalists are worse than Islamic fundamentalists?
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Gmafb danny. The pakistani taliban already took credit for this like celente said would be happening.
You mean this guy???
Gerald Celente, Futurist Fraud
Written by Edward Champion
Posted on November 13, 2008
Filed Under Celente, Gerald, Futurism, PHonies
The crazed doom-and-gloom prophets of our world have this troubling ability to occupy the airwaves, becoming strangely confused with qualified experts. Gerald Celente is the latest soothsayer operating on his hunches — now being celebrated on Digg, Reddit, and just about every damn aggregator imaginable.
His predictions sound suspiciously similar to the storyline for Brian Francis Slattery’s excellent new novel, Liberation, but Gerald Celente, the CEO of Trends Research Institute, is determined to deliver. By 2012, Celente forecasts revolution in America, food riots, and tax rebellions. In four years, America will become an undeveloped nation. Holidays will be about food rather than gifts. Mass hysteria, dogs and cats living together. Doom and gloom.
The media — or, rather, FOX News and conservative websites — is listening to Celente because he “predicted” the 1997 currency crisis in Asia, the subprime mortgage disaster, and the dollar dipping south. But Infowars, a website run by paleoconservative radio show host Alex Jones, is basking in this dystopic news like an AIG executive riding high on Uncle Sam’s dime. What’s particularly strange is that Infowars hasn’t bothered to quibble with Celente’s statements, much less point to any of his inaccurate predictions.
How does Celente do it? From Invest in Yourself by Mark Eisenson, Gerri Detweiler, and Nancy Castleman:
According to Gerald Celente, Director of the Trends Research Institute and author of Trends 2000, the key to tracking trends is to read two newspapers every day with a purpose — either The Wall Street Journal or The Financial Times, plus The New York Times or USA Today. Look for stories with social, economic, and political significance, be it about the difficulties older suburbs face or the current currency crisis. (You’ll know by the headline or the first paragraph.) Skip the stories that are purely human interest or that are about something that hasn’t happened yet (for example, a jury resuming deliberation on a sensational trial).
When a crisis does occur, tune in to the extra in-depth analyses that you’ll find in accompanying background pieces probably in more than one of the newspapers. Read them as though you’re a “political atheist,” Celente recommends — not for what you want or hope, but for what is really going on, not only in your own profession or industry, but for trends that may directly or indirectly shape the future.
Aside from the Dale Carnegie-style language here, much of Celente’s “suggestions” seem more like a series of guidelines on how to become a successful “futurist” predicting a good deal of generalist nonsense that scares the shit out of people, using language lifted from a newspaper story’s barebones and riding on a few hunches. Of course, it also helps to have an aesthetic touch — something along the lines of a desktop covered with 12 globes, just so you can impress a New York Times reporter who comes by to write a small profile.
Since Infowars could not be bothered to perform even the most rudimentary act of journalism, the time has come to see if Celente’s record truly cuts the mustard.
* In May 1993, in a story about fiftysomethings losing their jobs written for the Orange County Register, Celente was quoted. He was advising IBM at the time during a period of downsizing. What was Celente’s golden advice? He informed displaced executives to “go for some kind of counseling.” Asked to comment on this situation, Celente offered the same doom and gloom boilerplate that he’s telling us today: “The Industrial Age is ending. All the systems are breaking down and that means disappointment and disillusionment for the people who grew up in the ’50’s.” He elaborated, “These people believed in the Ozzie and Harriet way of life. That concept is dead. So is the concept of retiring at 65.” These were hardly prescient or specific thoughts, but they were certainly dramatic enough to make it into an Orange County newspaper.
* Why not get topical? Let’s take Celente on a more specialized subject like restaurants. In 1993, Celente predicted “growing demands for take-out food, high- and low-end restaurants, and restaurants that offer live entertainment. Middle-range restaurants with mainstream fare will suffer.” Aside from the fact that Celente’s prediction accounts for about 90% of restaurants, doesn’t the fact that human beings need to eat remain a comfy ledge to launch a prediction?
* In 1998, Celente told Money Magazine that, as the population grows older, “Americans will be spending more time at home than ever before both for pleasure and business.” Imagine that. You grow old, retire, and then you suddenly have more time. How the hell did Celente know?
* In the September 21, 2000 edition of Newsweek, the great futurist weighed in on mindless chores. Why are they called mindless? “Your mind can’t be going all the time.” And when any problem becomes bigger, it becomes bigger than burnout. “It’s road rage, it’s air rage, it’s Columbine, it’s stress — and people don’t get it.” I’m wondering if it’s also the kind of impulse that will cause you to make impetuous predictions about the United States’s future.
* Asked by CBS News in May 2005 to comment upon where Dillard’s planned to go, Celente had this to say: “There is nothing Dillard’s has that you can’t find in 1,000 other places. America is vastly overstored.” Take out “Dillard’s” and sub it in with another department store chain name, and you begin to see what little Celente’s remarks say.
* But if we’re in for a future of doom and gloom, Celente has been sending us some mixed messages. He told the Associated Press in May 2005, “The bottom of the luxury market is not going to fall out.”
* Talking with the Associated Press in September 2005, Celente suggested that Wal-Mart could deflect its negative image with its philanthropy. That’s hardly a stunning insight. Any positive action has the probability of causing a company to look good. This is rudimentary probability. But what profound thoughts did our great seer tell the AP? “We try to refrain from making value judgments — what the motive is. But the fact is that [Wal-Mart was] there with trailer trucks being turned away. Amazing, isn’t it?” Amazing indeed. Presumably, the AP reporter who talked with Celente did so because the reporter needed somebody to describe the situation as “amazing” or “magnificent.” Some casual modifier that might be confused for profound thought.
* Celente was asked to weigh in on Internet trends by the San Francisco Chronicle’s Patricia Yollin in December 2006. “People are more electronically connected and less humanly connected,” opined our great psychic. And if that general piece of advice wasn’t enough, Celente also took the time to badmouth public displays of affection, pointing out how unacceptable it was to put PDA in “techno jargon.” Perhaps Celente confused PDA with another type of PDA, but what he didn’t seem to tell the reporter was that acronyms have existed long before the Internet.
Here you have a history of a man who not only makes his living spouting this generalist nonsense at corporations, but who is listened to by the media. If we weren’t all scared shitless, this wingnut would be chased out of boardrooms and newsrooms with pitchforks.
But who needs rational thinking when you have the comforts of defeatism? If you really want to get your dose of passive-aggressive dystopia, just call up Gerald Celente. He’s on Line 2 and he’ll take your money when you have no faith in humanity or when you don’t have a clue about how to do your job. Have him rant in your newspaper. Give him money to advise your corporation. Above all, don’t look at history, science, or specific statistics. Because Celente will boil them all down for you with one of his seemingly pithy and mysterious predictions. And he’ll be right. Because like a trusted astrology columnist or a two-bit faith healer, Celente leaves just enough room in his answer to wiggle out. And you swallow it every time. Because you’re too scared to think for yourself, or do a background check on the guy in the lobby waving his arms.
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Is that a Jtsunami post? Doesn't even make sense.
No, LOL!
It's been said before. The only difference I see is theirs have to personally strap on the bomb to murder innocent civilians where ours can legislate away humanity and use the military. :)
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No, LOL!
It's been said before. The only difference I see is theirs have to personally strap on the bomb to murder innocent civilians where ours can legislate away humanity and use the military. :)
Ha. You're pretty delusional.
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I'm of a mind all fundamentalism is bad but ours are a little worse.
I agree that all fundamentalism is bad but I don't think ours are worse
Our fundies kill a few abortion doctors and try to impose their strident beliefs on our secular society but Islam fundies are far far worse (IMO) just starting with the repression of women (acid attacks, honor killing, etc..) and moving on to the car bombings, larger terrorist attacks, etc..
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No, LOL!
It's been said before. The only difference I see is theirs have to personally strap on the bomb to murder innocent civilians where ours can legislate away humanity and use the military. :)
Muslim Fundies also have a built in reason to go out and murder in the name of their religion, namely the 72 virgins and eternal gang bang awaiting them in the afterlife.
I'm not aware of anything similar with Christian fundies but maybe they just keep it a secret from the rest of us
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The 15,000+ documented terrorist attacks since 2001 speak loads for "jumping to conclusions", regardless of whether or not this turns out to have been carried out by Muslim fanatics.
So basically you are dismissing the possibility of this being a domestic terrorist only because there is a pattern of most of them being carried out by Muslim extremists???? Given the political discourse in this country right now and the rise of anti-government groups there is no better time for them to come out, and try to pull something like this,you have to at least consider that option. All I'm saying let's try to keep an open mind until some facts come out....that in case I haven't missed something major of course.
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Its was probably bill ayeres and his wife bernadine dorhn.
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Sorry to burst your pink liberal bubble danny and straw but the pakistani taliban already took credit for the attack.
I know you guys were scared shit of those granny teabaggers.
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Sorry to burst your pink liberal bubble danny and straw but the pakistani taliban already took credit for the attack.
I know you guys were scared shit of those granny teabaggers.
jesus 333 - are you really a lawyer
since when does a nuttbag or group taking credit for something equal proof
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If the michigan militia took credit you would be screaming to high heaven no?
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"Its was probably bill ayeres and his wife bernadine dorhn"
They're writing Obama's 2012 concession speech. It's not like they can do two things at once.
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If the michigan militia took credit you would be screaming to high heaven no?
no
not unless they were arrested and there was proof
think about this for a few seconds
how easy is it for some group overseas to get a bit of publicity for taking credit for something?
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Funny I never see the vatican, the daili lama, or other non muslim groups take credit for these things.
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Funny I never see the vatican, the daili lama, or other non muslim groups take credit for these things.
I can't believe were having this conversation
are you really this fucking stupid
I'm not saying they didn't do it but merely taking credit is proof of NOTHING
are you really a lawyer?
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three propane tanks, fireworks, two filled 5-gallon gasoline containers, and two clocks with batteries, electrical wire and other components from the back of the Nissan Pathfinder i don't think thats the taliban type of work :D
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I'm just saying there is no record whatsoever of non muslim groups overseas taking credit for bombings etc.
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Straw I will bet you 250k that I am and will let you choose the escrow service.
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I'm just saying there is no record whatsoever of non muslim groups overseas taking credit for bombings etc.
I don't understand what you you think that proves?
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Straw I will bet you 250k that I am and will let you choose the escrow service.
I'm sure you a lawyer but now I understand why you spend your days chasing down bad debts
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I handle lien foreclosures on commercial construction cases. Its way more complicated than you think.
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just one imaginary scenario - what if it had been some bald, armed new yorker that did it? and the first thing he did upon capture was promise a few hundred more armed, bald new yorkers would be blowing shit up too.
Would you be okay with having your papers checked and ID run, 10 or 20 times a day?
This goes back to what I was saying about the AZ bill that I dont like.
Anyway, carry on. until we know for sure who did it, this is all speculation.
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I handle lien foreclosures on commercial construction cases. Its way more complicated than you think.
mechanics liens are pretty mundane
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All I know is if it was a planned terrorist attack the planner suck at it. They should quit the terrorism business. They are about as useless as that plane bomber from Africa that "tried" to blow up the flight to Detroit.
If a bunch of ignorant iraqi's can blow up hundreds of cars / people then surely a terrorist in USA could do the same thing?? Why leave the car running with hazards flashing and smoke coming out of it? How fucking stupid is that? Just blow the bitch already and prove that you are a worthy terrorist. Seems fishy / fake to me. For all we know it could have been a car with engine problems and now it is being developed into a terrorism story by "evil forces"?
The part where I start to doubt terrorism is the fact that it didn't blow up. To me that is the signal that it is false.
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I'm sure you a lawyer but now I understand why you spend your days chasing down bad debts
I really don't get why you attack people for what they do for a living when you're too chickenshit to tell what you do for a living. What do you do that's so far above and more sophisticated than owning a collection agency?
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If the michigan militia took credit you would be screaming to high heaven no?
Another bunch of useless wannabe revolutionists. They plan all this time to kill one cop and get caught. Hell in Michigan single gunmen have achieved that goal. You don't need a militia for that to happen!
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I really don't get why you attack people for what they do for a living when you're too chickenshit to tell what you do for a living. What do you do that's so far above and more sophisticated than owning a collection agency?
I didn't attack him for what he did for a living, I said I now understand why he does debt collection
If I attacked him for anything it was his ridiculous notion that just because some group takes claim for a incident that is not not sufficient as proof that their claim is true. One would hope that any lawyer (or even just semi-intelligent person) would understand that.
Given the fact that 333 started with throwing shit with his statement below I feel pretty comfortable giving him shit right back.
He's a big boy and can take of himself
Sorry to burst your pink liberal bubble danny and straw but the pakistani taliban already took credit for the attack.
I know you guys were scared shit of those granny teabaggers.
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NYPS is holding a press conference right now talking about the incident and also saying there is NO evidence to support the pakistani taliban claim. They have identified a "white male in his 40's" on the surveillance video. :o
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Maybe its the same white guy beck fan that killed the census guy in kentucky.
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maybe i heard incorrectly - but they kept saying 'international'.
can't we just paint iran as the bad guy and drop some bombs on them?
I mean, do we really have to go thru this gulf of tonken shit every single time? Just man up, tell the country we're invading for oil and dollar survival, and if you dont like it, tough shit. All this theater, really...
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maybe i heard incorrectly - but they kept saying 'international'.
can't we just paint iran as the bad guy and drop some bombs on them?
I mean, do we really have to go thru this gulf of tonken shit every single time? Just man up, tell the country we're invading for oil and dollar survival, and if you dont like it, tough shit. All this theater, really...
Wouldn't they be much better served assassinating Ahmadingdong when he shows up in the USA tomorrow? I'm sure that would ruffle some fanatic feathers much better than these "staged" car bombings. ::)
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um, i'm thinking he is like bin laden - more useful alive than dead.
if we capped him, there would be less support for bombing them. ya gotta keep a boogeyman around!
he's just a cheerleader that serves our interests more than iran's haha...
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NYPS is holding a press conference right now talking about the incident and also saying there is NO evidence to support the pakistani taliban claim. They have identified a "white male in his 40's" on the surveillance video. :o
When stuff like this happens I always assume it's a homegrown* terrorist.
* Angry white dude.
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the hole city could of been destroyed :'(
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Times square is a death trap.