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Authorities see no evidence to support Taliban's claim of responsibility; focus shifts to 'homegrown' terrorism; DHS says no sign of broader plot
New York police said Sunday they were hunting a man filmed leaving the scene of the attempted car bombing of Times Square as President Barack Obama vowed to track the perpetrators down.
Police announced several strong leads in their attempt to find out who left a Nissan Pathfinder SUV with a spluttering homemade bomb in the middle of the teeming entertainment and theater district.
A claim of responsibility by a Pakistani group Tehreek-e-Taliban was quickly dismissed as speculation mounted that a US-based or "homegrown" terrorist might have been responsible for the scare late Saturday.
"Although a Taliban bomb maker has claimed on the Internet... we have no evidence to support this claim," Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.
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Now is the time to start ratting on your neighbors! You can't trust anyone, so beg the government to protect you! Liberties schmiberties.
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Shocked that they would so quickly turn to "homegrown terrorism" ::)
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would it be right to ID every single middle aged white man in NYC now?
I don't think so.
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would it be right to ID every single middle aged white man in NYC now?
I don't think so.
240, c'mon man, you of all people are always so skeptical about anything that looks so hokey......wasn't the vehicle filled with fertilizer but "not the kind used in explosives...." Something smells rather fishy here.....
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would it be right to ID every single middle aged white man in NYC now?
I don't think so.
If they are commiting a crime or being investigated for commiting a crime,WHICH IS WHAT THE ARIZONA LAW SAYS,then it would be ok.
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of course this shit looks shady as heck... and quite convenient for ignoring an oil spill now the size of puerto rico.
however, unless you posted how shady it was every time Bush invented a crisis when he needed one politically, you don't have room to bitch when obama does it.
and I got eye rolls when I said it's easy for the president to steer events to match what he needs politically...
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The DC snipers were supposed to be white army guys with PTSD at first too remember? Look how that turned out? Two black muslims one being an illegal alien who should have been skinned alive.
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well, this isn't just getbiggers wondering 'what if'.
This is Bloomberg and the police, detailing what they're seeing on video.
It appears to be some seriously amateurish shit.
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of course this shit looks shady as heck... and quite convenient for ignoring an oil spill now the size of puerto rico.
however, unless you posted how shady it was every time Bush invented a crisis when he needed one politically, you don't have room to bitch when obama does it.
and I got eye rolls when I said it's easy for the president to steer events to match what he needs politically...
Yes, but you were always quick to post anything about Bush, yet now you begrudginly admit it looks shady after you are called on it. See the difference? And although I think the 9/11 CT is garbage, there are many other things that have taken place under ALL our recent presidents that is very questionable at best.
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would it be right to ID every single middle aged white man in NYC now?
I don't think so.
of course not... ::)
why do you keep bringing this idiotic shit up? it has nothing to do with anything in the political realm as of late... ???
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That dude could be any of a million Iraqi's or Afghani's Ive seen...so angry white guy.....I wouldn't jump yet.
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Because 240 is infected with the bs of watching too much TV, especially idiotic msnbc. He does not ev en realize he is doing it anymore.
Idiocy is now on auto-pilot for him.
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Not to mention the fact that is was also the COMMUNIST holiday of May Day.
But I wont wait for 240 or any of the other left wing jerk offs on this site to at least consider the possibility that even of the guy was white, which doesnt matter, that he more likely than not was some far left communist pofs like those ELF people.
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If it were cool to support a gay hispanic president with down syndrome...240 would jump that bandwagon as well. I think 240 suffers from a bit of misplaced white guilt...hence Barry support.
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i've called the obama birth cert shady. I've called the timing of the oil spill (earth day?) shady. I call this one shady.
And the police haven't released the high quality tourist video of the dude running from the truck yet.
And, since I'm quoting the police and you're saying "what if...", well, you can't just accuse me of spewing BS. FOX & Friends morning are quoting bloomberg and police saying it's a white guy in his mid 40s. If you think it's an arab, please, by all means, call them up and give them your opinion.
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No, Bloomberg said that there is a strong possibility that the guy in the video has nothing to do with it.
Stop lying.
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i've called the obama birth cert shady. I've called the timing of the oil spill (earth day?) shady. I call this one shady.
And the police haven't released the high quality tourist video of the dude running from the truck yet.
And, since I'm quoting the police and you're saying "what if...", well, you can't just accuse me of spewing BS. FOX & Friends morning are quoting bloomberg and police saying it's a white guy in his mid 40s. If you think it's an arab, please, by all means, call them up and give them your opinion.
where do you get the bullshit comment about white males being forced to show ID's?
::) you deserve an eye roll for that idiocy...
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Lets say it turns out to be a white guy who is a right winger.Lets compare EXACTLY the fairness MSNBC will report on it as opposed to say the college professor who was an Obama fanatic and shot up her school.My bet is,if its a right winger tools like Ed Shultz will blame Rush,but never connected the professor with MSNBC.You wait and see.If its a lib,they will excuse him as a kook,if its a conservative they wilkl blame Rush.
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Reports are the former owner of the SUV sold it a guy that looked either hispanic or middle eastern.
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I thought he said it was going to be some 90- y/o teabagging redneck ak47 totin granny with dentures and a wheel chair? No?
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Officials increasingly see international plot in Times Square bomb attempt
washingtonpost.com ^ | May 3, 2010 | Spencer S. Hsu, Anne E. Kornblut And Ellen Nakashima
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 2:52:39 PM by VanShuyten
The failed car bombing in Times Square increasingly appears to have been coordinated by several people in a plot with international links, Obama administration officials said Tuesday.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
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240 is on the failsville express lately.
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"240 is on the failsville express lately. "
Yes, I am obviously insane. I took the word of the NYPD and Bloomberg over the supposition of message board posters.
It's really you arguing with Bloomy and friends about whether or not it's a white guy in his 40s. You must have better video surveiliance than they do, that's cool.
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"240 is on the failsville express lately. "
Yes, I am obviously insane. I took the word of the NYPD and Bloomberg over the supposition of message board posters.
It's really you arguing with Bloomy and friends about whether or not it's a white guy in his 40s. You must have better video surveiliance than they do, that's cool.
if thats the case who am I arguing with when I comment on you idiotic "should the cops stop every white guy who is in his 40's" comment?
why dont you try answering the questions i pose to you?
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"240 is on the failsville express lately. "
Yes, I am obviously insane. I took the word of the NYPD and Bloomberg over the supposition of message board posters.
It's really you arguing with Bloomy and friends about whether or not it's a white guy in his 40s. You must have better video surveiliance than they do, that's cool.
They never said the 40 yo guy was a suspect, only that he was in the video and even bloomberg said he might have nothing to do with it at all.
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Updated at 8:29 a.m.] There is still no "credible evidence" that the Pakistani Taliban was responsible for the Times Square bomb incident, a senior U.S. military official told CNN on Monday.
'We assess the claim to be of low credibility," said the source, who emphasized that the investigation is in its early stages.
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I'm not saying anything..... Just watching.......
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youre a lawyer.
They use the phrase 'person of interest' all the time when they mean suspect. Unless you believe the guy with rigid posture staring at the bomb vehicle, quickly changing his shirt, was just a really good witness.
Don't they have to give a person add'l rights/privledges once he is officially called a SUSPECT? Aren't the police more effective without that label? Why yes, they are. Read this:
Jim Kouri, a spokesman for the National Association of Chiefs of Police, says "person of interest" often is a euphemism for "suspect." If it's a suspect and you say 'person of interest,' you're using the euphemism to avoid problems down the line," says Kouri, a former New York housing police officer.
What problems?
Police sometimes "try to maintain that the person really isn't a suspect" in order to get him to agree to questioning without Miranda warnings, Kouri says. "You don't want the guy to lawyer up." Kouri says across the country, "it's the legal counsel telling police chiefs that they should instruct their officers and train them to use that term."
So you see, of course law enforcement isn't going to call him a suspect because then they have to mirandize his ass. Make sense?
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240 and blacken - do you think every white guy in NYC is like this?
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holy fuck is that you 333386 in your apartment :D :D
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holy fuck is that you 333386 in your apartment :D :D
I dont have a mohawk. ;D
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if thats the case who am I arguing with when I comment on you idiotic "should the cops stop every white guy who is in his 40's" comment?
why dont you try answering the questions i pose to you?
bump for a response brain child... ::)
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240 and the rest of the libs are so upset that this is going to turn out to not be a glen beck, rush, tea party granny.
Peter King, Congressman from Long Island, is on radion wo saying this is turning into an international situation.
I'm sure 240, Straw, Blacken, Danny, and Lurker are going to be sad that their hopes that it was another McVeigh are going down the toilet.
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where did I say I HOPED it would be another mcveigh? I posted the news article where police say it MAY be a white male in his 40s.
And tony,
I'm pointing out the idiocy of the policy (as MANY lawmakers are now interpreting, and which has since been REWRITTEN) which allowed for stoppin without reason. I know, 33 says otherwise - but a shitload of LEO, elected officials, and legal scholars all fear it'll result in "papers please" policy.
It would be bullshit to stop every white male in their 40s and demand papers, just as it's bullshit to stop a single american in our borders and demand papers. Before this attack, I said, if some local white bald mucsclebound guy pulled some BS, it would still not be right to "papers please!" on americans.
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You know we are just messin w you 240.
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where did I say I HOPED it would be another mcveigh? I posted the news article where police say it MAY be a white male in his 40s.
And tony,
I'm pointing out the idiocy of the policy (as MANY lawmakers are now interpreting, and which has since been REWRITTEN) which allowed for stoppin without reason. I know, 33 says otherwise - but a shitload of LEO, elected officials, and legal scholars all fear it'll result in "papers please" policy.
It would be bullshit to stop every white male in their 40s and demand papers, just as it's bullshit to stop a single american in our borders and demand papers. Before this attack, I said, if some local white bald mucsclebound guy pulled some BS, it would still not be right to "papers please!" on americans.
LOL the original law never gave the right to pull ppl over based on race or ethinicity... ;) so your analogy is complete shit...It also never allowed to be stopped without reason it always had to be in terms of lawful contact... ::) again rendering your analogy complete shit...
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i know dude.
I think everyone here would personally torture the shit out of the terrorist, no matter what country he's from.
you know me, i'd argue the sky's blue. it's funny, on every issue of the week, we at getbig find ways to become angrily divided on the topic. we can't all agree the oil spill sucks. Some of us have to point at Obama and claim a CT, some of us have to mock Palin's silence on "drill baby drill", etc. I think I'm not the only one here who likes to argue everything :)
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"LOL the original law never gave the right to pull ppl over based on race or ethinicity... so your analogy is complete shit...It also never allowed to be stopped without reason it always had to be in terms of lawful contact... again rendering your analogy complete shit..."
That's one point of view, Tony, and it's shared by many here.
However, there is another point of view, shared by everyone from far-left constitutional lawyers to far-right neocons with nothing to gain from hispandering like Bill Kristol. They all believe it will lead to abuses of the law, resulting in legal americans being carded without breaking the law in any way.
So while I respect the opinions shard by some here - I cannot discount those like Tancredo and Kristol, who say there is potential for abuse. Plsuus - the fact they rewrote the law, shows there was already some 'wiggle room" they had to clear up.
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"LOL the original law never gave the right to pull ppl over based on race or ethinicity... so your analogy is complete shit...It also never allowed to be stopped without reason it always had to be in terms of lawful contact... again rendering your analogy complete shit..."
That's one point of view, Tony, and it's shared by many here.
However, there is another point of view, shared by everyone from far-left constitutional lawyers to far-right neocons with nothing to gain from hispandering like Bill Kristol. They all believe it will lead to abuses of the law, resulting in legal americans being carded without breaking the law in any way.
So while I respect the opinions shard by some here - I cannot discount those like Tancredo and Kristol, who say there is potential for abuse. Plsuus - the fact they rewrote the law, shows there was already some 'wiggle room" they had to clear up.
Every law will lead to abuses 240 you do realize that correct? youre not that ignorant are you?
are you now in favor of the new rewritten law?
what is the text of the new law and how does it differ 240?
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why don't they rewrite EVERY law then, tony?
Why don't Ed Shultz, tancreo and Kristol speak out on EVERY law then, tony?
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You didn't know they changed the bill?
The changes include one strengthening restrictions against using race or ethnicity as the basis for questioning by the police and inserting those same restrictions in other parts of the law. Another change states that questions of immigration status would follow a law enforcement officer’s stopping, detaining or arresting a person while enforcing another law. The earlier law had referred to a “contact” with police.
Another change specifies that possible violations of local civil ordinances can trigger questioning on immigration status.
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why don't they rewrite EVERY law then, tony?
Why don't Ed Shultz, tancreo and Kristol speak out on EVERY law then, tony?
the question is 240 why dont you protest every law?
Im sure for a freedom loving patriot such as yourself you can see how every law can be abused, cant you?
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You didn't know they changed the bill?
The changes include one strengthening restrictions against using race or ethnicity as the basis for questioning by the police and inserting those same restrictions in other parts of the law. Another change states that questions of immigration status would follow a law enforcement officer’s stopping, detaining or arresting a person while enforcing another law. The earlier law had referred to a “contact” with police.
Another change specifies that possible violations of local civil ordinances can trigger questioning on immigration status.
I honestly stopped following it, I couldnt take the constant willful ignorance from ppl such as yourself who constantly misstated the law purposely simply to fit their idiotic view points.
so do you agree with the bill now? or are you waiting to see how the politicians and obama tell you to feel?
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"the question is 240 why dont you protest every law?"
Most laws don't give police power to demand legal americans show their papers.
Far left and far-right are united against this bill. And the writers originally made it any "contact" with police. That's weak and shady as hell, come on dude. The face they had to change to say "enforcing another law".
plenty of wiggle room there. And I'm honestly not going to continue that 2-week old debate. The fact they changed it showed tancredo, Rubio, Jeb, and Kristol were correct - the bill gave police the ability to grab anyone for ID.
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"the question is 240 why dont you protest every law?"
Most laws don't give police power to demand legal americans show their papers.
Far left and far-right are united against this bill. And the writers originally made it any "contact" with police. That's weak and shady as hell, come on dude. The face they had to change to say "enforcing another law".
plenty of wiggle room there. And I'm honestly not going to continue that 2-week old debate. The fact they changed it showed tancredo, Rubio, Jeb, and Kristol were correct - the bill gave police the ability to grab anyone for ID.
you mean just like it gives them the right to pull anyone over they want? its their discretion as to whos driving unsafe correct? and when they do they make you show them your license dont they? hmmm sounds like you should be against drunk driving laws too...doubtful though
just answer this question then 240 as I know you will side step the ones that make you look foolish, Are you in agreement with the new version of the law?
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I like the new law a lot better than version 1.
I'm sure version 3 will be even better.
I am "in agreement" with putting troops on the border, paying snitches to deliver empoyers hiring illegals, and yes, breaking their legs when deporting them. But hey, I'm just a pussy lib who's soft on illegals, what can I say.
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I like the new law a lot better than version 1.
I'm sure version 3 will be even better.
I am "in agreement" with putting troops on the border, paying snitches to deliver empoyers hiring illegals, and yes, breaking their legs when deporting them. But hey, I'm just a pussy lib who's soft on illegals, what can I say.
but youre not for deporting those who are arrested for other crimes?
youre ok with ICE harrasing suspected employers but youre not ok with officers harrasing suspected illegals? hmmm seems like there would be alot more waste and potential for abuse in your system...
no worries 240 when its cool to be conservative again im sure your pendulum will swing back our way ;)
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"but youre not for deporting those who are arrested for other crimes?"
When in the motherfvk have I EVER said that? Where? Link, please.
i was shocked they aren't being deported WHEN ARRESTED. Of course I think they should be beaten and kicked out if arrested for something, then it is proven they are an illegal.
I just don't think a single american should ever have to "show his papers" when he hasn't broken a law.
Again, why make up silly positions like that for me?
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Updated at 6:07 p.m] From CNN's Alan Chernoff: Former NYPD Bomb Squad member Kevin Barry says the bomb found in an SUV Saturday night in Times Square "had no known signature," meaning it was not constructed in a fashion used by known terror organizations. In particular, Barry refers to the fact that the bomb had two timers.
"It's the first device of this type in quite a while. So we have no signature yet. Were we to see two or three more of these in the area, or within the U.S. then we might say, 'Listen we have a new group and they have somebody that is building these for them,'” said Barry.
In addition to the timers, bomb designers may differ in “how they twist wires, how they solder them, how they connect batteries, what products they use,” he said. That leads him to believe this was the work of either an individual or a new organization.
Barry says he trained the lead bomb squad technician who handled Saturday's explosive and spoke with him this morning about his dismantling of the device.
He says it did not detonate because the igniter did not have enough energy to detonate the bomb. Instead of detonating, it deflagrated (burned rapidly), Barry said. That would be consistent with the explosions, flames and smoke inside of the SUV that eyewitnesses described.
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"but youre not for deporting those who are arrested for other crimes?"
When in the motherfvk have I EVER said that? Where? Link, please.
i was shocked they aren't being deported WHEN ARRESTED. Of course I think they should be beaten and kicked out if arrested for something, then it is proven they are an illegal.
I just don't think a single american should ever have to "show his papers" when he hasn't broken a law.
Again, why make up silly positions like that for me?
LMAO why make up silly positions for this law?
and I didnt make it up it was a question...i noticed how you dance around that in the quote i used for that post...hence the question...
did you know in arizona a they do not give license to illegals like other states? so simply giving a license to an officer is proof for arizona residents? are these the papers youre refering to 240? a license? you shouldnt have to give a license when an officer is investigating a crime?
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"you shouldnt have to give a license when an officer is investigating a crime?'
You're all over the place.
Any law abiding citizen should not have to "show papers" or "produce ID" when he has not done anything wrong.
You can jump into that crowd willing to trade liberty for security... no coming back from that. If Obama decided to pull some similar shit - this time requiring white boys (or asian) or whatever, I don't think too many people would support it.
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LOL so, to be clear haha...
I like the fact they clarified the power police have.
I'm all for deporting them when caught doing a crime.
I'm all for carding to enjoy ANY govt service - including health care.
It sickens me how much I pay for health ins, and these pieces of shit get it for free.
Also, what states give licenses to illegals? Cali? What happens when you drive in AZ with a Cali licence? Do you have to carry a birth cert too?
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"you shouldnt have to give a license when an officer is investigating a crime?'
You're all over the place.
Any law abiding citizen should not have to "show papers" or "produce ID" when he has not done anything wrong.
You can jump into that crowd willing to trade liberty for security... no coming back from that. If Obama decided to pull some similar shit - this time requiring white boys (or asian) or whatever, I don't think too many people would support it.
Youre a part of that crowd too 240, dont you understand that?
You can sit there and play the patriot but truth is if your in favor of any law youre giving up liberty for security...hope you love those drunk drivers 240 and what they do to families, after all their just enjoying their liberties, right?
LOL you see youre making it about race...this law isnt about race its about illegal immigrants...this law has nothing to do with RACE...
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I'm all for deporting them when caught doing a crime.
I'm all for carding to enjoy ANY govt service - including health care.
It sickens me how much I pay for health ins, and these pieces of shit get it for free.
Also, what states give licenses to illegals? Cali? What happens when you drive in AZ with a Cali licence? Do you have to carry a birth cert too?
how are you supposed to enforce a law that you cant inquire about unless they are breaking another law?
Many states give licenses to illegals basically what they do is not require them to prove citizenship...well I guess you better bring proof your a citizen... ;)
and even if you dont its not like you get arrested right then and there or they deport you right then and there...what happens if you drive without a license? do you get arrested? or do they give you a citation telling you to show up in court or prove you have a license before that court date?
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I'm all for crippling druink drivers AFTER they fail a field sobriety test, which is only given after their police vid cameras pick up the vehicle brekaing the law.
I'm against pulling over anyone who doesn't break the law.
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If you drive withouth a licence, you are breaking the law.
Go to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
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I'm all for crippling druink drivers AFTER they fail a field sobriety test, which is only given after their police vid cameras pick up the vehicle brekaing the law.
I'm against pulling over anyone who doesn't break the law.
so youre giving up liberties for security?
just trying to get it right 240, you love that quote the last week or so but you dont seem to understand youre one of the ppl youre chastising.
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If you drive withouth a licence, you are breaking the law.
Go to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
actually you do not go to jail for simply driving without a license...you dont think that the same process would be used for those who couldnt prove they were a citizen if it was suspected they may be illegal?
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what liberties are lost if you break traffic laws, and are forced to do a field sobriety test?
You retain your liberty until you place another at risk by swerving or speeding.
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They just broke into local news and said they think its a pakistani naturalized citizen who just got back from pakistan and that this was supposed to be a lot larger. Their releasing the name soon.
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They just broke into local news and said they think its a pakistani naturalized citizen who just got back from pakistan and that this was supposed to be a lot larger. Their releasing the name soon.
hahahaahahahah...Don't be so gullible 3. I am still waiting on the US government to explain how 9 of the 19 hijackers of 911 are still alive. Explain how those Arabs magically appeared on film footage from the London train bombing.
Explain how the plane vaporized that hit the pentagon
Explain the absence again of plane debris in the flight 93 crash in Pennsylvania
America has a lot of explaining to do
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Yes, 333. Don't be so gullible. You should do what any sensible retard does and get their information from a blog run by a guy living in his mother's basement. ::)
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hahaha, stupid douchebag politico's in NYC...."Looks like homegrown terrorism" Pakistani shitbag......should be hanged in Cental Park.
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Showtoppa - watch this and everything makes perfect sense:
Doesnt this exactly describe many people in DC, NYC, and even thouse on this board.
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Hahaha. Read this thread and it's clear 240 was all but praying for this guy to be a white McVeigh-type dude so he could have a field day with hanging it around the neck of right-wingers. That turned out well. ::)
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That's because 240, Straw, Danny, Blacken, etc watch way too much tv, especially MSNBC and consider themselves informed.
I told 240 so many times - TURN OFF THE DAMN TV!
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Hahaha. Read this thread and it's clear 240 was all but praying for this guy to be a white McVeigh-type dude so he could have a field day with hanging it around the neck of right-wingers. That turned out well. Roll Eyes
Many lib's are probably calling in sick today, as its just too much of a let down.
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Here is this wonderful creature.
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Many lib's are probably calling in sick today, as its just too much of a let down.
James, listen to my Savage clip. Does that not describe libs to a tee or what?
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Here is this wonderful creature.
Hmmm,he doesnt look white to me,and I doubt he attended any tea parties.How much you want to bet that he has MSNBC on in the background and reads Maddows blog everyday.
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James, listen to my Savage clip. Does that not describe libs to a tee or what?
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Great Video, thanks for posting. I listen to Savage just about every evening while in my car.
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Yeah, 240 is really watching too much tv lately and towing the MSNBC lying bs.
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what liberties are lost if you break traffic laws, and are forced to do a field sobriety test?
You retain your liberty until you place another at risk by swerving or speeding.
ok well if youre swerving or speeding and they pull you over they can give you a sobriety test...
same for this law why were you against this law in the first place? ;)
p.s. youre giving up the liberty to drive drunk...you dont think that illegals place us at risk?
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hopefully they're keeping an eye on other pakis here. especially ones that openly post about lighting bombs and praying for our troops to die.
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Here is this wonderful creature.
that's not toxic :D
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"you shouldnt have to give a license when an officer is investigating a crime?'
You're all over the place.
Any law abiding citizen should not have to "show papers" or "produce ID" when he has not done anything wrong.
You can jump into that crowd willing to trade liberty for security... no coming back from that. If Obama decided to pull some similar shit - this time requiring white boys (or asian) or whatever, I don't think too many people would support it.
This cartoon says it all:
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"I told 240 so many times - TURN OFF THE DAMN TV! "
I mean, really?
I have barely followed this story. I haven't watched cable news since this crap happened, other than listening for 5 minutes as I dozed off. I skimmed the web for info after it happened - when the police were pointing at a white guy in his 40s.
But hey, 33, if it helps you feel better, to attack 240 about thirty times an hour on threads where I'm not even present, creating statements and positions I never took, that's cool. But the only person you're arguing with that this point is yourself dude.
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You sure seem to have the msnbc talking points down pat for sure.
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'You sure seem to have the msnbc talking points down pat for sure. '
1) what are they?
2) where did i post them?
3) how do you even know what they are - ya watchin msnbc? lol...
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This cartoon says it all:
Yep. Truth.