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Drilling Process Attracts Scrutiny in Rig Explosion
By RUSSELL GOLD And BEN CASSELMAN
An oil-drilling procedure called cementing is coming under scrutiny as a possible cause of the explosion on the Deepwater Horizon rig in the Gulf of Mexico that has led to one of the biggest oil spills in U.S. history, drilling experts said Thursday.
The process is supposed to prevent oil and natural gas from escaping by filling gaps between the outside of the well pipe and the inside of the hole bored into the ocean floor. Cement, pumped down the well from the drilling rig, is also used to plug wells after they have been abandoned or when drilling has finished but production hasn't begun.
In the case of the Deepwater Horizon, workers had finished pumping cement to fill the space between the pipe and the sides of the hole and had begun temporarily plugging the well with cement; it isn't known whether they had completed the plugging process before the blast.
British Petroleum's oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is quickly devastating wildlife as some 955,000 liters per day is migrating toward coastlines
Regulators have previously identified problems in the cementing process as a leading cause of well blowouts, in which oil and natural gas surge out of a well with explosive force. When cement develops cracks or doesn't set properly, oil and gas can escape, ultimately flowing out of control. The gas is highly combustible and prone to ignite, as it appears to have done aboard the Deepwater Horizon, which was leased by BP PLC, the British oil giant.
Concerns about the cementing process—and about whether rigs have enough safeguards to prevent blowouts—raise questions about whether the industry can safely drill in deep water and whether regulators are up to the task of monitoring them.
The scrutiny on cementing will focus attention on Halliburton Co., the oilfield-services firm that was handling the cementing process on the rig, which burned and sank last week. The disaster, which killed 11, has left a gusher of oil streaming into the Gulf from a mile under the surface.
Federal officials declined to comment on their investigation, and Halliburton didn't respond to questions from The Wall Street Journal.
According to Transocean Ltd., the operator of the drilling rig, Halliburton had finished cementing the 18,000-foot well shortly before the explosion. Houston-based Halliburton is the largest company in the global cementing business, which accounted for $1.7 billion, or about 11%, of the company's revenue in 2009, according to consultant Spears & Associates.
Growing worries about potential lawsuits and other costs of the oil spill in the wake of its rapid spread led investors to clobber stocks of companies involved in the Deepwater Horizon well Thursday.
Halliburton fell 5.3% to $31.60 and Cameron International Corp., which built the blowout-prevention equipment that didn't stop the explosion, dropped 13% to $38.70, both at 4 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading.
The timing of the cementing in relation to the blast—and the procedure's history of causing problems—point to it as a possible culprit in the Deepwater Horizon disaster, experts said.
"The initial likely cause of gas coming to the surface had something to do with the cement," said Robert MacKenzie, managing director of energy and natural resources at FBR Capital Markets and a former cementing engineer in the oil industry.
Several other drilling experts agreed, though they cautioned that the investigation into what went wrong at the Deepwater Horizon site is still in its preliminary stages.
The problem could have been a faulty cement plug at the bottom of the well, he said. Another possibility would be that cement between the pipe and well walls didn't harden properly and allowed gas to pass through it.
A 2007 study by three U.S. Minerals Management Service officials found that cementing was a factor in 18 of 39 well blowouts in the Gulf of Mexico over a 14-year period. That was the single largest factor, ahead of equipment failure and pipe failure.
The Halliburton cementers would have sought approval for their plans—the type of cement and how much would be used—from a BP official on board the rig before carrying out their job. Scott Dean, a BP spokesman, said it was premature to speculate on the role cement might have played in the disaster.
Halliburton also was the cementer on a well that suffered a big blowout last August in the Timor Sea, off Australia. The rig there caught fire and a well leaked tens of thousands of barrels of oil over 10 weeks before it was shut down. The investigation is continuing; Halliburton declined to comment on it.
Elmer P. Danenberger, who had recently retired as head of regulatory affairs for the U.S. Minerals Management Service, told the Australian commission looking into the blowout that a poor cement job was probably the reason oil and natural gas gushed out of control.
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So Cheny did this?
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So Cheny did this?
His hand is definitely in it...
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His hand is definitely in it...
Cheney hasn't been CEO of Haliburton since 2000.
So, do you have any solid facts or proof that could prove he was involved?
You said "definitely" so I would assume that you do.
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actually the mechanism that is suspected to have failed was made by Cameron on a platform owned by BP operated by transocean but ya youre right you dip shit tard it was halliburton... ::)
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Cheney hasn't been CEO of Haliburton since 2000.
So, do you have any solid facts or proof that could prove he was involved?
You said "definitely" so I would assume that you do.
And you're dumb enough to believe that.
Have you found the weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION yet? Because according to the same they do exist...
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And you're dumb enough to believe that.
Have you found the weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION yet? Because according to the same they do exist...
you have proof otherwise?
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you have proof otherwise?
Yeah,,, the fact that no weapons were found is proof of the lie.
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actually the mechanism that is suspected to have failed was made by Cameron on a platform owned by BP operated by transocean but ya youre right you dip shit tard it was halliburton... ::)
Maybe you should have kept reading Tommy Two Toes...
According to Transocean Ltd., the operator of the drilling rig, Halliburton had finished cementing the 18,000-foot well shortly before the explosion. Houston-based Halliburton is the largest company in the global cementing business, which accounted for $1.7 billion, or about 11%, of the company's revenue in 2009, according to consultant Spears & Associates.
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Maybe you should have kept reading Tommy Two Toes...
According to Transocean Ltd., the operator of the drilling rig, Halliburton had finished cementing the 18,000-foot well shortly before the explosion. Houston-based Halliburton is the largest company in the global cementing business, which accounted for $1.7 billion, or about 11%, of the company's revenue in 2009, according to consultant Spears & Associates.
lol its just like I said brain child BP is the owner, transocean is the operating company and they contract out of course work that needs to be done to fix or do things on the rig...not operate the rig...
Camerons valve is the suspected failing point that led to the accident...none of which has to do with halliburton...trust jag I live here in houston have many many friends who are in the oil and gas industry including friends that have worked rigs for over 10+yrs...you have google and an over active imagination ::)
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lol its just like I said brain child BP is the owner, transocean is the operating company and they contract out of course work that needs to be done to fix or do things on the rig...not operate the rig...
Camerons valve is the suspected failing point that led to the accident...none of which has to do with halliburton...trust jag I live here in houston have many many friends who are in the oil and gas industry including friends that have worked rigs for over 10+yrs...you have google and an over active imagination ::)
Two Toes..don't continue trying to argue when you are WRONG!!!!. Learn to read the next time and get your facts in order. Halliburton is being discussed on the news as a culprit in this explosion and leakage before this news hit Yahoo. THe cementing of the well is done by Halliburton and it was during the cementing that the explosion occurred. Was it the cementing that Halliburton did that was faulty and caused the well to spill or was Halliburton doing something that caused an explosion and subsequently the spilling of the oil? In either case Halliburton is the culprit. BTW..I don't give a shit where you live or what your supposed friends do for a living. The facts are the facts and they are coming in daily revealing what is really going on in the Gulf Of Mexico.
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Two Toes..don't continue trying to argue when you are WRONG!!!!. Learn to read the next time and get your facts in order. Halliburton is being discussed on the news as a culprit in this explosion and leakage before this news hit Yahoo. THe cementing of the well is done by Halliburton and it was during the cementing that the explosion occurred. Was it the cementing that Halliburton did that was faulty and caused the well to spill or was Halliburton doing something that caused an explosion and subsequently the spilling of the oil? In either case Halliburton is the culprit. BTW..I don't give a shit where you live or what your supposed friends do for a living. The facts are the facts and they are coming in daily revealing what is really going on in the Gulf Of Mexico.
Halliburton fell 5.3% to $31.60 and Cameron International Corp., which built the blowout-prevention equipment that didn't stop the explosion, dropped 13% to $38.70, both at 4 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading.
if youve done your research on this youd know that the rig was supposedly only running 1 of the 5 blow out valves that they were supposed to be using...
there is plenty of blame to go around Im sure, blaming halliburton in a way to blame cheny by proxy is just as idiotic as you thinking ppl dont know youre jag ;)
still waiting for that proof that cheney is still CEO of halliburton...
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Facts are facts? As of right now, it's nothing more than speculation. SamsonEnterprises, you should stop asserting your OPINION as FACT, dipshit.
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And you're dumb enough to believe that.
Have you found the weapons of MASS DESTRUCTION yet? Because according to the same they do exist...
This isn't about weapons of mass destruction. It's, in part, about you saying that Cheney "definitely" had a hand in the spill. And that he is still CEO of Haliburton.
So far you have provided zero facts to back up your assertions.
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Halliburton fell 5.3% to $31.60 and Cameron International Corp., which built the blowout-prevention equipment that didn't stop the explosion, dropped 13% to $38.70, both at 4 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading.
if youve done your research on this youd know that the rig was supposedly only running 1 of the 5 blow out valves that they were supposed to be using...
there is plenty of blame to go around Im sure, blaming halliburton in a way to blame cheny by proxy is just as idiotic as you thinking ppl dont know youre jag ;)
still waiting for that proof that cheney is still CEO of halliburton...
Like I said asshole ...LEARN TO READ
According to Transocean Ltd., the operator of the drilling rig, Halliburton had finished cementing the 18,000-foot well shortly before the explosion. Houston-based Halliburton is the largest company in the global cementing business, which accounted for $1.7 billion, or about 11%, of the company's revenue in 2009, according to consultant Spears & Associates.
Growing worries about potential lawsuits and other costs of the oil spill in the wake of its rapid spread led investors to clobber stocks of companies involved in the Deepwater Horizon well Thursday.
Halliburton fell 5.3% to $31.60 and Cameron International Corp., which built the blowout-prevention equipment that didn't stop the explosion, dropped 13% to $38.70, both at 4 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading.
The timing of the cementing in relation to the blast—and the procedure's history of causing problems—point to it as a possible culprit in the Deepwater Horizon disaster, experts said.
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Like I said asshole ...LEARN TO READ
According to Transocean Ltd., the operator of the drilling rig, Halliburton had finished cementing the 18,000-foot well shortly before the explosion. Houston-based Halliburton is the largest company in the global cementing business, which accounted for $1.7 billion, or about 11%, of the company's revenue in 2009, according to consultant Spears & Associates.
Growing worries about potential lawsuits and other costs of the oil spill in the wake of its rapid spread led investors to clobber stocks of companies involved in the Deepwater Horizon well Thursday.
Halliburton fell 5.3% to $31.60 and Cameron International Corp., which built the blowout-prevention equipment that didn't stop the explosion, dropped 13% to $38.70, both at 4 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading.
The timing of the cementing in relation to the blast—and the procedure's history of causing problems—point to it as a possible culprit in the Deepwater Horizon disaster, experts said.
So speculation = fact now? You are so retarded that it's funny. Must suck going through life with the mental capabilities of a brain damaged vegetable.
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This isn't about weapons of mass destruction. It's, in part, about you saying that Cheney "definitely" had a hand in the spill. And that he is still CEO of Haliburton.
So far you have provided zero facts to back up your assertions.
^First of this...^
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So speculation = fact now? You are so retarded that it's funny. Must suck going through life with the mental capabilities of a brain damaged vegetable.
^second off this...^
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^First of this...^
Don't try and weasel out of this now fucker...Your ass was shown to be wrong, illiterate and down right stupid. Now you want to get into semantics. Pull your tail between you legs and walk off...
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Don't try and weasel out of this now fucker...Your ass was shown to be wrong, illiterate and down right stupid. Now you want to get into semantics. Pull your tail between you legs and walk off...
actually everything ive said has been proven to be true by your own article ;)
your assertions in this thread however have not been validated at all even though you say they are fact... ;)
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actually everything ive said has been proven to be true by your own article ;)
your assertions in this thread however have not been validated at all even though you say they are fact... ;)
Two Toes in your mind, as small as it is, everything seem right when you are incapable of reading, comprehending, understanding...
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Cheney hasn't been CEO of Haliburton since 2000.
So, do you have any solid facts or proof that could prove he was involved?
You said "definitely" so I would assume that you do.
I heard this on the local news so I guess he did. apparently he pushed for some deregulation that enabled BP to say fuck it when it came to a cheap automated shutoff valve of sorts. I'm sure more will come out both ways in the coming weeks so we'll find out.
Either way, if the gulf coast fisherman team up and get a team of kick ass lawyers, they're going to end up owning what's left of BP. This is going to end up destroying their business. It's starting to look like this might be the biggest corporate disaster of all time.... They have already buried Valdez...
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I do remember the Bush, "We'll let the industry regulate themselves" speech around the same time. Not sure it that connects to this or not?
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Hugo in for the rescue. ;D
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I heard this on the local news so I guess he did. apparently he pushed for some deregulation that enabled BP to say fuck it when it came to a cheap automated shutoff valve of sorts. I'm sure more will come out both ways in the coming weeks so we'll find out.
Either way, if the gulf coast fisherman team up and get a team of kick ass lawyers, they're going to end up owning what's left of BP. This is going to end up destroying their business. It's starting to look like this might be the biggest corporate disaster of all time.... They have already buried Valdez...
the valves werent made by Halliburton, BP or transocean...the suspected valve is made by a corperation called cameron...The rig supposedly was only operating on 1 of the 5 they were supposed to be using to help prevent something like this from happening. This wont bring down BP they have been responsible for many accidents over the past couple years if you guys remember the Texas city plant that blew, well that was BP as well and they have and will continue to bounce back it may take a good while but they arent going under b/c of this.
and even if they do, obama is either going to have to bail them out or face alot of ciriticism for not while bailing out other companies. ;)
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I do remember the Bush, "We'll let the industry regulate themselves" speech around the same time. Not sure it that connects to this or not?
Here is a video posted by Blacken that talks about this very thing with the deregulations done by Bush/Cheney
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329425.0
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Hugo in for the rescue. ;D
of what? ???
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Take a long hard guess.
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the valves werent made by Halliburton, BP or transocean...the suspected valve is made by a corperation called cameron...The rig supposedly was only operating on 1 of the 5 they were supposed to be using to help prevent something like this from happening. This wont bring down BP they have been responsible for many accidents over the past couple years if you guys remember the Texas city plant that blew, well that was BP as well and they have and will continue to bounce back it may take a good while but they arent going under b/c of this.
and even if they do, obama is either going to have to bail them out or face alot of ciriticism for not while bailing out other companies. ;)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming to be an expert on any of this shit. It's all greek to me. From what i heard on the news they could have installed some kind of automated shut off for half a mil but do to deregulation they didn't have to so BP said fuck it. That's the story as I heard it reported earlier this morning. I have no idea nor the knowledge to argue if that's true or not. I doubt many here do.
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Take a long hard guess.
seriously, I don't have a clue? I don't know shit about this beyond that it obviously sucks and what I've heard from other sources which puts me in the same camp as everyone else here most likely.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming to be an expert on any of this shit. It's all greek to me. From what i heard on the news they could have installed some kind of automated shut off for half a mil but do to deregulation they didn't have to so BP said fuck it. That's the story as I heard it reported earlier this morning. I have no idea nor the knowledge to argue if that's true or not. I doubt many here do.
this maybe true but if its true that they were only operating 1 of the 5 blowoff valves that should have been utilized then they use od such a system may not have been an issue...
as of right now its all still pretty much speculation
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this maybe true but if its true that they were only operating 1 of the 5 blowoff valves that should have been utilized then they use od such a system may not have been an issue...
as of right now its all still pretty much speculation
I don't even know what I could call it. I would have to know "what the fuck" to call it speculation. As it is now I can only comment on what is reported just like most others are doing here. I'm sure there is political motive behind some reports so like I said in my first post, I guess we wait and see. Unfortunately the spin, if it's going on, could fucking go on until we no longer give a shit.
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the valves werent made by Halliburton, BP or transocean...the suspected valve is made by a corperation called cameron...The rig supposedly was only operating on 1 of the 5 they were supposed to be using to help prevent something like this from happening. This wont bring down BP they have been responsible for many accidents over the past couple years if you guys remember the Texas city plant that blew, well that was BP as well and they have and will continue to bounce back it may take a good while but they arent going under b/c of this.
and even if they do, obama is either going to have to bail them out or face alot of ciriticism for not while bailing out other companies. ;)
You keep missing the point and facts because your simple ass will not read... The explosion was caused by Halliburton who was doing the cementing around the well opening. This is NOT a case of valves blowing up or faulty valves being the crux of the argument. It is about a poorly done cementing issue or something Halliburton did while cementing that causes pressure build up and explosion.
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You keep missing the point and facts because your simple ass will not read... The explosion was caused by Halliburton who was doing the cementing around the well opening. This is NOT a case of valves blowing up or faulty valves being the crux of the argument. It is about a poorly done cementing issue or something Halliburton did while cementing that causes pressure build up and explosion.
and cheney being behind it all as well right? ;)
From your own link by the way ;)
"Scott Dean, a BP spokesman, said it was premature to speculate on the role cement might have played in the disaster."
and again whether or not Halliburtons cement job was the cause the supposed use of 1 of 5 blow off valves that could have prevented the rig from going might have had something to do with the incident as well...my point is that there is more than one failure point in this scenario...you seem to only want to blame cheney...why is that?
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You keep missing the point and facts because your simple ass will not read... The explosion was caused by Halliburton who was doing the cementing around the well opening. This is NOT a case of valves blowing up or faulty valves being the crux of the argument. It is about a poorly done cementing issue or something Halliburton did while cementing that causes pressure build up and explosion.
I know it's hard for your handicapped brain to process but speculation =/= fact. You should learn to live by this you delusionite.
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I know it's hard for your handicapped brain to process but speculation = fact. You should learn to live by this you delusionite.
Now, now. Don't discourage him. Such illogical thinking produces a wide range of entertaining theories about the world, including alien anal probage, a government competent enough to pull off 9/11, and the idea that all political leaders are actually a species of lizards. This shit is gold, and we need MORE people that think an article on the internet constitutes as evidence.
Carry on, OP!
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Geez, this place is overrun with gimmiicks! :-\
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I still have my suspicions on you jag.
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Geez, this place is overrun with gimmiicks! :-\
Funny thing it is the same individual who screamed the most that "others" had/have gimmicks..... talk about two faced.
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Funny thing it is the same individual who screamed the most that "others" had/have gimmicks..... talk about two faced.
The ridiculous part is... I can't even see that as being a comment that one sh/could be reticent about posting under their account.