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Title: Help with first cycle
Post by: ManLaw on May 05, 2010, 10:51:30 AM
I plan on running Test-E for 10 weeks at 500mg a week. Pinning on mon/thurs

Questions are:

-when should i start running clomid and at what doses?
-what support supps should i run? (hawethorn berry,Saw Palmetto, milk thistle, celery seed extract)
-on the site im buying from it says Testosterone Enanthate 10 Amps X 250mg/1ml. do i need to order 2 of those for the 10 wek cycle?

Ive done a bunch of research on all these i just found varying opinions and wanted to get some input

Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: SupplementGuy on May 05, 2010, 08:41:19 PM
why so much for first cycle?
250 a week would be fine to start.
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: Schmoe Buster on May 05, 2010, 08:56:59 PM
500mg per week is a good cycle, mon and thurs shots is good, clomid you can use for PCT, if you worry about estrogen effects while on cycle use proviron or nolvodex in your cycle, as for the other supps go for it :)
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: ManLaw on May 05, 2010, 09:11:37 PM
why so much for first cycle?
250 a week would be fine to start.
from everything ive read 250 wnt do much
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: Schmoe Buster on May 06, 2010, 01:44:06 AM
from everything ive read 250 wnt do much

go with 500mg per, it will give great results
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: ManLaw on May 06, 2010, 06:16:35 AM
go with 500mg per, it will give great results
as far as support supps what should i run and at what doses?
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: Schmoe Buster on May 06, 2010, 09:02:04 AM
as far as support supps what should i run and at what doses?

all i use is a good multi vitamin, you dont need liver support supps when you are on an injectable only cycle, basically any health supp is good, as far as drugs go like i said before if you are worried about estrogen run nolvodex or proviron during your cycle, i prefer proviron ;)
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: nunzi on May 06, 2010, 09:12:09 AM
you need 20 amps total.  so yes order two of it.  great first cycle.  do it your cycle time around too.  than start adding stuff.  good luck man.  eat big, lift big, sleep big.. and let the growing begin
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: Schmoe Buster on May 06, 2010, 11:40:15 AM
you need 20 amps total.  so yes order two of it.  great first cycle.  do it your cycle time around too.  than start adding stuff.  good luck man.  eat big, lift big, sleep big.. and let the growing begin

spot on ;)
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: ManLaw on May 06, 2010, 12:18:14 PM
all i use is a good multi vitamin, you dont need liver support supps when you are on an injectable only cycle, basically any health supp is good, as far as drugs go like i said before if you are worried about estrogen run nolvodex or proviron during your cycle, i prefer proviron ;)
when should i start running proviron

and i plan to use clomid for pct. what week do i start that and what doese?

i read the whole newb section but didnt see a sample cycle
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: nunzi on May 06, 2010, 06:50:15 PM
when should i start running proviron

and i plan to use clomid for pct. what week do i start that and what doese?

i read the whole newb section but didnt see a sample cycle
id run 50mg clomid ed for 30 days and 20mg of nolva ed for 30 days.  two weeks after you last shot.
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: Mudbug79 on May 07, 2010, 08:19:48 AM
Don't mean to hijack thread but How many calories should you be eating while on cycle? I am 6', 195 lbs, 10% BF. What is the optimal calorie intake to produce the best results?
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: 4thAD on May 07, 2010, 08:23:19 AM
Don't mean to hijack thread but How many calories should you be eating while on cycle? I am 6', 195 lbs, 10% BF. What is the optimal calorie intake to produce the best results?

Depends on your goals.
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: Mudbug79 on May 07, 2010, 08:34:52 AM
I would like to add 10-15 lbs. of lean mass.
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: nunzi on May 07, 2010, 08:39:07 AM
5000 calories.
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: Mudbug79 on May 07, 2010, 09:11:53 AM
5000 calories.

5000 cal? I eat about 3000-3500 cal. now . I don't know how much more I could eat in a day.
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: ManLaw on May 07, 2010, 10:53:24 AM
id run 50mg clomid ed for 30 days and 20mg of nolva ed for 30 days.  two weeks after you last shot.
so run clomid/nolva together? i thought you only needed 1 or the other

and is hair loss something to wrry about?
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: nunzi on May 07, 2010, 12:20:54 PM
id run both together personally.  I wouldnt worry about hair loss.  If hair loss runs in the family than u might be a little concerned.  but i wouldnt worry too much
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: ManLaw on May 08, 2010, 12:13:23 PM
when should i start running proviron

and i plan to use clomid for pct. what week do i start that and what doese?

i read the whole newb section but didnt see a sample cycle
so what should i run proviron at if i start to notice gyno?
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: Schmoe Buster on May 08, 2010, 09:52:01 PM
so what should i run proviron at if i start to notice gyno?

i run proviron throughout the whole cycle, find it works well this way, if you notice gyno symtons while on cycle then use nolvodex, to be honest 500mg of test per week wont really give you any side effects, even 750mg per week i never have gyno symptons, although everyone reacts different ;)
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: ManLaw on May 08, 2010, 11:59:06 PM
i run proviron throughout the whole cycle, find it works well this way, if you notice gyno symtons while on cycle then use nolvodex, to be honest 500mg of test per week wont really give you any side effects, even 750mg per week i never have gyno symptons, although everyone reacts different ;)
what do u run proviron at?
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: Schmoe Buster on May 09, 2010, 01:12:50 AM
what do u run proviron at?

50mg per day, take one 25mg tab 2 times a day,
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: ManLaw on May 09, 2010, 11:39:31 AM
So basically my cycle should look like this

week 1- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 2- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 3- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 4- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 5- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 6- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 7- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 8- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 9- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 10- 250mg test-e mon/thurs

Three weerks after last shot:

50mg clomid ed and 20mg of nolva for 30 days?



Is this correct? And should i taper the doses down for pct or stay the same for the full 4 weeks?
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: nunzi on May 09, 2010, 12:19:42 PM
Looks good. Wait two weeks after last shot to start pct. 
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: SgtSpar on May 09, 2010, 02:57:24 PM
So basically my cycle should look like this

week 1- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 2- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 3- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 4- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 5- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 6- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 7- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 8- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 9- 250mg test-e mon/thurs
week 10- 250mg test-e mon/thurs

Three weerks after last shot:

50mg clomid ed and 20mg of nolva for 30 days?



Is this correct? And should i taper the doses down for pct or stay the same for the full 4 weeks?

Lol, did you really have to spell each week out when they are exactly the same?  Next time, write 500mg a week and use the time left over to do an extra set of curls :)
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: ManLaw on May 09, 2010, 06:57:55 PM
Lol, did you really have to spell each week out when they are exactly the same?  Next time, write 500mg a week and use the time left over to do an extra set of curls :)
lol was excited
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: nunzi on May 09, 2010, 09:39:05 PM
Awwww. Gotta love the newbies. Lol jk.  Good luck bro. Keep us all updated.
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: 4thAD on May 10, 2010, 09:00:42 PM
Week 1-10 500mg test (250mg shot Mon, and Thur)

PCT (2 weeks after last injection)
week 1 - 4 25mg clomid, or 20mg nolvadex (No need for both. You can run clomid anywhere from 25mg - 100mg choice is yours. The less you can use the better).
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: ManLaw on May 11, 2010, 07:09:08 AM
Week 1-10 500mg test (250mg shot Mon, and Thur)

PCT (2 weeks after last injection)
week 1 - 4 25mg clomid, or 20mg nolvadex (No need for both. You can run clomid anywhere from 25mg - 100mg choice is yours. The less you can use the better).

so far pple in this thread have said wait 4, 3, 2 weeks until pct and use nolva/clomid or just 1 or the other lol
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: nunzi on May 11, 2010, 08:15:04 AM
so far pple in this thread have said wait 4, 3, 2 weeks until pct and use nolva/clomid or just 1 or the other lol

who said 4,3,2 weeks after last shot.  Always two weeks. Make sure ur diet is in check.  If your only gonna take clomid for pct make sure u have nolva on hand just in case ur nips are feeling lil tender.  And make sure you have everything on hand before u do ur first shot.
Title: Re: Help with first cycle
Post by: 4thAD on May 11, 2010, 09:17:46 AM
Week 1-10 500mg test (250mg shot Mon, and Thur)

PCT (2 weeks after last injection)
week 1 - 4 25mg clomid, or 20mg nolvadex (No need for both. You can run clomid anywhere from 25mg - 100mg choice is yours. The less you can use the better).


Look at the half life of the test you are using. That is an indicator of when you should start PCT