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To piggyback on the independent athletes rep thread...
Contest Judges CANNOT be trainers/nutritionist or be related to the athletes competing.
Sponsors of contests CANNOT be judges of shows in which they have athletes that are employees.
Contest judges should be chosen randomly with a computer program. Only contest judges that have proven track record of fairness and impartiality (this actually can be done, although still subjective) will be considered for judging the Mr. Olympia i.e. the Superbowl of bodybuilding.
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To piggyback on the independent athletes rep thread...
Contest Judges CANNOT be trainers/nutritionist or be related to the athletes.
Sponsors of contests CANNOT be judges of shows in which they have athletes that are employees.
Contest judges should be chosen randomly with a computer program. Only contest judges that have proven track record of fairness and impartiality (this actually can be done, although still subjective) will be considered for judging the Mr. Olympia i.e. the Superbowl of bodybuilding.
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Contest judges should not be seated together or be talking between rounds or posing, they should be spaced apart far from each other and have their scoresheets tabulated by a non-biased person (like an 80 year old walmart cashier that has no obvious gains or influence)
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Contest judges should not be seated together or be talking between rounds or posing, they should be spaced apart far from each other and have their scoresheets tabulated by a non-biased person (like an 80 year old walmart cashier that has no obvious gains or influence)
YES!
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Contest judges should not be seated together or be talking between rounds or posing, they should be spaced apart far from each other and have their scoresheets tabulated by a non-biased person (like an 80 year old walmart cashier that has no obvious gains or influence)
Excellent idea
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Contest judges should not be seated together or be talking between rounds or posing, they should be spaced apart far from each other and have their scoresheets tabulated by a unbiased person (like an 80 year old walmart cashier that has no obvious gains or influence)
Yes I agree... Every Wallmart has the aging 60+ Gestapo officer at the front to ensure you aren't running off with any Dr. Seuss ties, or bottles of Paris Hilton perfume, without your proof of receipt. Hire them out for a day to tabulate the scores, and pay them with some Metemucil, and coupons to an Old Country Buffet.
Randomly selecting Judges from a pool, of eligible candidates, is also a good idea. Also the idea of a "Head Judge" should be abolished. There shouldn't be any "trending," or "Judging Precedent" that a Head Judge can try and bullishly enforce.
Of course as paying fans of the Sport, we have no say, and Chick will tell us to get lost. :-\
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Yes I agree... Every Wallmart has the aging 60+ Gestapo officer at the front to ensure you aren't running off with any Dr. Seuss ties, or bottles of Paris Hilton perfume, without your proof of receipt. Hire them out for a day to tabulate the scores, and pay them with some Metemucil, and coupons to an Old Country Buffet.
Randomly selecting Judges from a pool, of eligible candidates, is also a good idea. Also the idea of a "Head Judge" should be abolished. There shouldn't be any "trending," or "Judging Precedent" that a Head Judge can try and bullishly enforce.
Of course as paying fans of the Sport, we have no say, and Chick will tell us to get lost. :-\
This is exactly what's wrong with bodybuilding and why I never bothered competing , the whole head judge thing is bullshit and the other judges fall in to politics and peer pressure.
We should get Chick to comment on this idea..
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an easy call for any judge
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an easy call for any judge
Winner 8)
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big scoreboard.
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To piggyback on the independent athletes rep thread...
Contest Judges CANNOT be trainers/nutritionist or be related to the athletes competing.
Sponsors of contests CANNOT be judges of shows in which they have athletes that are employees.
Contest judges should be chosen randomly with a computer program. Only contest judges that have proven track record of fairness and impartiality (this actually can be done, although still subjective) will be considered for judging the Mr. Olympia i.e. the Superbowl of bodybuilding.
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NO WAY this happens. Does it really. If so I would have to say this would be a priorityh for Chic to take care of. That is unreal if that really happens If I was a competitor I would boycott if this happens
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NO WAY this happens. Does it really. If so I would have to say this would be a priorityh for Chic to take care of. That is unreal if that really happens If I was a competitor I would boycott if this happens
It doesnt happen, as sponsors of shows that happen to be judges do not judge the class in which one of their own may be competing...
That said, for those who dont know how the judging is run....the head judge just compiles the scores and takes in the requests from the panel as to who to compare....thinking they somehow "dictate" the callouts is simply untrue. They also do not cast a vote...
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bbers CANNOT bite the hand that feeds.
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It doesnt happen, as sponsors of shows that happen to be judges do not judge the class in which one of their own may be competing...
That said, for those who dont know how the judging is run....the head judge just compiles the scores and takes in the requests from the panel as to who to compare....thinking they somehow "dictate" the callouts is simply untrue. They also do not cast a vote...
Damm it Chic this should not even happen. Those guys still have some kind of influence on the other judges. When they pass each by when they are switching seats and just the fact they are all paid judges together. They should have NOTHING to do with anyh part of the judging process. Hell they might see a competitor they like or are in negoiations with and bump there scored up and influence the other judges and now that guy wins the show. Now that guy can be signed and that company now has a title holder as one of their athletes. Or even the other way around. Make it so they dont win and be able to negoiate the price of sponsorship down because they didn't win the title. In any way this should not happen. Just my two cents worth. I beat this doesn;t happen in any other events
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#1: Judges shouldn't be gay or schmoes.
#2: Judges should be bodybuilders themselves; no skinny schmoes, refer to #1
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Damm it Chic this should not even happen. Those guys still have some kind of influence on the other judges. When they pass each by when they are switching seats and just the fact they are all paid judges together. They should have NOTHING to do with anyh part of the judging process. Hell they might see a competitor they like or are in negoiations with and bump there scored up and influence the other judges and now that guy wins the show. Now that guy can be signed and that company now has a title holder as one of their athletes. Or even the other way around. Make it so they dont win and be able to negoiate the price of sponsorship down because they didn't win the title. In any way this should not happen. Just my two cents worth. I beat this doesn;t happen in any other events
Highly unlikely...you would need ALL the judges conspiring for the same cause, and as individuals, their score only accounts to a mean average as the highs and lows are thrown out...sometimes 2 high and 2 low scores to insure against exactly what you're talking about...
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not trying to be a bitch, but it is common knowledge, that if the scores are close, I mean within a point of each other, a judge can say oh this is my dude or girl, or gives the bodybuilders thumbs up. We know this happens. Maybe not at the pro level but it does happen
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This isn't bodybuilding but obviously something political happened here (Yes, this is the girl from the last Bachelor, Gia Allemand.) She just jumped on stage, no tan, skinny, and won :D
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the only conflict of interest is between the bodybuilders health and the ridiculous amount of drugs the judges expect them to take to place near the top
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I agree that the judges should be completely separated and there should be only judges that have no connections with any certain sponsors...Judging is always going to bias, but the less bias they can make it the better...
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This isn't bodybuilding but obviously something political happened here (Yes, this is the girl from the last Bachelor, Gia Allemand.) She just jumped on stage, no tan, skinny, and won :D
lol...good ol bullshite at work. not the first or last time. This is what i'm talking about.
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Highly unlikely...you would need ALL the judges conspiring for the same cause, and as individuals, their score only accounts to a mean average as the highs and lows are thrown out...sometimes 2 high and 2 low scores to insure against exactly what you're talking about...
This might be true. It may be that there's no collusion at all. But how hard would it be to put up partitions around the judges so they couldn't interact at all? Would cost almost nothing and would make collusion much more difficult.
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This isn't bodybuilding but obviously something political happened here (Yes, this is the girl from the last Bachelor, Gia Allemand.) She just jumped on stage, no tan, skinny, and won :D
That women was unhealthy lookin skinny. LOL at the classic WHAT!! @ 11 seconds in.
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That women was unhealthy lookin skinny. LOL at the classic WHAT!! @ 11 seconds in.
If you watched the Bachelor last season she was in the top 3-4 girls at the end. My girl watches it so I have to :D She also worked one of the booths at the Arnolds 2 years ago and got punched out in her hotel room by another booth model, fighting over the washroom. No joke
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If you watched the Bachelor last season she was in the top 3-4 girls at the end. My girl watches it so I have to :D She also worked one of the booths at the Arnolds 2 years ago and got punched out in her hotel room by another booth model, fighting over the washroom. No joke
Crazy little fun facts. Apparently she isn't liked. The bachelor makes me want to shit my pants though. Fakest people you'll ever see.
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It doesnt happen, as sponsors of shows that happen to be judges do not judge the class in which one of their own may be competing...
That said, for those who dont know how the judging is run....the head judge just compiles the scores and takes in the requests from the panel as to who to compare....thinking they somehow "dictate" the callouts is simply untrue. They also do not cast a vote...
You are both right ad wrong here Bob. While we both know there is no grand conspiracy ,some overlap exists between fiscal interest aka company reps/sponsors and judging/meet officials. It is a simple matter of pro BB being a lot smaller and inuslar than other pro sports.
In plain talk, the judges are often too familiar and involved with many of the pros they judge.
The last few NPC shows I judged , I was the ONLY judge that made my living OUTSIDE of the gym/fitness/supplement industry.
From my perspective a very insular culture exists within the business of BB that is NOT too open to those who don't work in it.
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It's clearly time for chick to step down and get lost. The "sport" has become a farce. Now the weider cabal, who chick is a punk for, is pushing the creepy grapefruit fucker as the Next Big Thing. What a travesty.
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Wasn't there some hooha at last years Atlantic City Pro where Rich Gaspari was supposedly on the judging panel of the 202's and one of his sponsored athletes, Flex Lewis won?
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It doesnt happen, as sponsors of shows that happen to be judges do not judge the class in which one of their own may be competing...
That said, for those who dont know how the judging is run....the head judge just compiles the scores and takes in the requests from the panel as to who to compare....thinking they somehow "dictate" the callouts is simply untrue. They also do not cast a vote...
It happens in the NPC ALL THE TIME.
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I had no idea that sponsors and or anyone connected with a show are being used as judges. This is 100% wrong and absolutely proves the IFBB and NPC is crooked in placings. Definitely not all the time but definitely sometimes. Chic this is something honestly has to be changed. If you or anyone else doesn't think a sponsor in a show who is also judging the same show they sponsoring does not have any influence on the placings then something is hugely wrong. Man I honestly did not know this was happening.
The sad thing though is it won't be changed because the IFBB needs those sponsors and the sponsors won't come in and sponsor a show unless they can get something out of it. Having a champion as a spokesperson is far better than someone who has not won a major show. Without these "planted" judges the IFBB would lose sponsorships. Simple as that. If company "A" calls the IFBB and tells them they want to sponsor a major IFBB event but they need one of their athletes to win. That company will soon have a champion.
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This isn't bodybuilding but obviously something political happened here (Yes, this is the girl from the last Bachelor, Gia Allemand.) She just jumped on stage, no tan, skinny, and won :D
she got tag teamed by the judges table, this is the reward :D
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I had no idea that sponsors and or anyone connected with a show are being used as judges. This is 100% wrong and absolutely proves the IFBB and NPC is crooked in placings. Definitely not all the time but definitely sometimes. Chic this is something honestly has to be changed. If you or anyone else doesn't think a sponsor in a show who is also judging the same show they sponsoring does not have any influence on the placings then something is hugely wrong. Man I honestly did not know this was happening.
The sad thing though is it won't be changed because the IFBB needs those sponsors and the sponsors won't come in and sponsor a show unless they can get something out of it. Having a champion as a spokesperson is far better than someone who has not won a major show. Without these "planted" judges the IFBB would lose sponsorships. Simple as that. If company "A" calls the IFBB and tells them they want to sponsor a major IFBB event but they need one of their athletes to win. That company will soon have a champion.
It is not that simple or some "fixed" result. I am NOT an IFBB pro judge but have been an NPC and AAU America judge for many years.
Most of the judges today work within the fitness/supplement industry and tend to be a close knit group at the pro level.
The contest isn't fixed but some amount of "group think" does exist now more than yrs past.
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It is not that simple or some "fixed" result. I am NOT an IFBB pro judge but have been an NPC and AAU America judge for many years.
Most of the judges today work within the fitness/supplement industry and tend to be a close knit group at the pro level.
The contest isn't fixed but some amount of "group think" does exist now more than yrs past.
So when a judge the night before is applying pro tan to one of the figure contestants that's an example of "group think"? Idiot.
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So when a judge the night before is applying pro tan to one of the figure contestants that's an example of "group think"? Idiot.
If a judge is training/ prepping a contestant, that is clearly impossible for that judge to be fully objective.
I was talking about the situation in general. Judges like me are a dinorsaur. I work as a physics teacher and don't make a dime in any BB , fitness, supplement business.
I once had to judge a state meet where I knew each class winner and had trained with every one of them at some point.
I knew I could only pick one and how hard each one had trained for show show. I did my best to be fair and objective but it was tough.
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If a judge is training/ prepping a contestant, that is clearly impossible for that judge to be fully objective.
I was talking about the situation in general. Judges like me are a dinorsaur. I work as a physics teacher and don't make a dime in any BB , fitness, supplement business.
I once had to judge a state meet where I knew each class winner and had trained with every one of them at some point.
I knew I could only pick one and how hard each one had trained for show show. I did my best to be fair and objective but it was tough.
It happens all the time in the NPC...what don't you understand about that? Why do you insist on bringing your irrelevant experiences into every thread you post in.
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To piggyback on the independent athletes rep thread...
Contest Judges CANNOT be trainers/nutritionist or be related to the athletes competing.
Sponsors of contests CANNOT be judges of shows in which they have athletes that are employees.
Contest judges should be chosen randomly with a computer program. Only contest judges that have proven track record of fairness and impartiality (this actually can be done, although still subjective) will be considered for judging the Mr. Olympia i.e. the Superbowl of bodybuilding.
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I'm just going to watch ID tv and forget about it, complications are abundant with judging and shit.
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To piggyback on the independent athletes rep thread...
Contest Judges CANNOT be trainers/nutritionist or be related to the athletes competing.
Sponsors of contests CANNOT be judges of shows in which they have athletes that are employees.
Contest judges should be chosen randomly with a computer program. Only contest judges that have proven track record of fairness and impartiality (this actually can be done, although still subjective) will be considered for judging the Mr. Olympia i.e. the Superbowl of bodybuilding.
Continue this list...
computer programs - that means manion and the top dogs would have to pull money from their non-profit orgs and out of their pockets. nope...paper, pencils with erasers and my boy will do.
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an easy call for any judge
lacking on trap development bigtime!
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Maybe the Feda need to step in. If this is pro atheletics and drug abuse is rampant, corruption in judging and unfair treatment of "atheletes", and as we all know the DEA does monitor these boards, why are the feds not intervening. After all the supp companies sell billions of dollars of whey,creatine and promises of muscles to young men each yr....
Answer is no one cares...
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Maybe the Feda need to step in. If this is pro atheletics and drug abuse is rampant, corruption in judging and unfair treatment of "atheletes", and as we all know the DEA does monitor these boards, why are the feds not intervening. After all the supp companies sell billions of dollars of whey,creatine and promises of muscles to young men each yr....
Answer is no one cares...
I guarentee if anyone wanted. Say myself put enough bugs in peoples ears and turn straight RAT it could happen....very easy actually. The key is the drugs as the drugs go so does bodybuilding.
I have no problems with the drugs though :D
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Wow.. complete bullshit. The legitimate competitors devoted a huge chunk of their lives to that contest prep. Life is hilarious. Lovely *sport*.
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I had no idea that sponsors and or anyone connected with a show are being used as judges. This is 100% wrong and absolutely proves the IFBB and NPC is crooked in placings. Definitely not all the time but definitely sometimes. Chic this is something honestly has to be changed. If you or anyone else doesn't think a sponsor in a show who is also judging the same show they sponsoring does not have any influence on the placings then something is hugely wrong. Man I honestly did not know this was happening.
The sad thing though is it won't be changed because the IFBB needs those sponsors and the sponsors won't come in and sponsor a show unless they can get something out of it. Having a champion as a spokesperson is far better than someone who has not won a major show. Without these "planted" judges the IFBB would lose sponsorships. Simple as that. If company "A" calls the IFBB and tells them they want to sponsor a major IFBB event but they need one of their athletes to win. That company will soon have a champion.
Gee Keith, you're not implying that for the last 5 or 6 years muscletech sponsored athletes have placed in the top 5 at the Olympia are you !?!?
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I thought BBing was fake in the sense that wrestling is fake? :P
Seriously, if the guy they are promoting shows up and is close to the competition, then they give him the nod, right? If something happens they go with plan B I guess.
Just look at how the rules changed to accommodate freakyness in the 90's-00's. Plus, hardly anyone over 5'8 makes it anymore since the taller guys generally can not get that same look?
I really thought it was rigged in an effort to work people and thus create more interest in the athletes, like when Arnold won in 1980, or Yates that time he tore his arm, or even giving to Haney over Gaspari both times. All of these were great stories more so than realistic outcomes. Jay Cutler winning in 2007 and then Dexter conveniently winning the next year when Cutler was 'off' again only for Cutler to come back and be the only guy to regain the title is a little fishy, especially since there was that memo a few years ago that aesthetics were going to be part of the judging criteria again.