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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Mixed Martial Arts (MMA/UFC) => Topic started by: Fury on May 16, 2010, 06:04:27 AM
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He decimated a top 10 HW. He's bigger, faster, stronger and much more skilled and experienced than anyone in the UFC HW division. Strikeforce has the world #1 and #2 HWs. HAHAHAHAHA!
1. Fedor
2. Ubereem
3. Some overhyped, untested UFC can.
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But isn't he the same Guy who can't beat a ufc Light heavy? Lidell ring a bell?
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But isn't he the same Guy who can't beat a ufc Light heavy? Lidell ring a bell?
He lost to Liddell 7 years ago. He was always a natural HW and killed himself dieting down. He's an entirely different fighter than he was then. 50+ pounds of muscle heavier, for starters.
1. Fedor
2. Ubereem
3. Some awful and overhyped UFC can.
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But isn't he the same Guy who can't beat a ufc Light heavy? Lidell ring a bell?
He was having problems making the weight, his drastic cut was affecting his conditioning, that's why he quit cutting to LHW. If I remember correctly he was wrecking Chuck then gassed out.
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he was 23 or 24 lol a kid by summer overeem and carwin will emerge as the best
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He was having problems making the weight, his drastic cut was affecting his conditioning, that's why he quit cutting to LHW. If I remember correctly he was wrecking Chuck then gassed out.
So adding all the muscle is really going to help his cardio?
Major excuses on here today.
Even though Overeem isn't in the top rankings in most polls, he is now a contender for Fedor? Classic UFC hate reasoning.
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i love the ufc i watched ufc 1 when it was out and everyone on but i also watch all the other organisations, im an mma fan not a ufc fan. and i know 5 years training and fighting top strikers makes you one hell of a better opponent. by your logic if you beat chuck up in school you could do it today. bah lol
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So adding all the muscle is really going to help his cardio?
Major excuses on here today.
Even though Overeem isn't in the top rankings in most polls, he is now a contender for Fedor? Classic UFC hate reasoning.
Like I said, only someone who has never trained or fought once in their life would be ignorant to how much cutting weight and starving yourself at the same time sucks and how much it affects you.
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Like I said, only someone who has never trained or fought once in their life would be ignorant to how much cutting weight and starving yourself at the same time sucks and how much it affects you.
There are healthy ways to lose fat. Who said he would have to starve himself?
Carrying around 40+ lbs, of fat can affect you too, especially when guys you are fighting make HW carrying mostly muscle.
Brett Rodgers is FAT....that is Fact. He didn't get that way on accident.
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There are healthy ways to lose fat. Who said he would have to starve himself?
Carrying around 40+ lbs, of fat can affect you too, especially when guys you are fighting make HW carrying mostly muscle.
Brett Rodgers is FAT....that is Fact. He didn't get that way on accident.
Tell that to Roy Nelson chump. It's not a body building contest, Brett Rogers didn't lose because he was fat (which he really isn't that fat), he lost because he is a better, more experienced fighter. Like I said, Brett is fine at HW, he should just go the UFC where the competition is easier.
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Tell that to Roy Nelson chump. It's not a body building contest, Brett Rogers didn't lose because he was fat (which he really isn't that fat), he lost because he is a better, more experienced fighter. Like I said, Brett is fine at HW, he should just go the UFC where the competition is easier.
Brett Rodgers recently fought Fedor and you as well as others tried to justify that he was a worthy opponent for Fedor. Saying Rodgers was one of the best in the world. That is why we are discussing Rodgers.
Now you want to bring Roy Nelson into the picture? WHy. Neslon is trying to earn a spot in the rankings, but nobody is over rating him like they have been of Rodgers. That was my point in discussing Rodgers.
Most likely you will find that Nelson will hit a wall with his weight as well...finding out that the new breed of HW is not fat. They are 280+ LB monsters of muscle.
So you are saying the competition in the UFC is easier....Allow me to show you otherwise.
2. Brock Lesnar (4-1)
While we do not know exactly how Lesnar will look in his return to the cage after his bout with diverticulitis, we do know his foe. Come July 3, he will take on Shane Carwin to unify both halves of the UFC heavyweight mantle in what should be a blockbuster bout for the promotion.
3. Cain Velasquez (8-0)
Whether one wants to call it a passing of the torch or a coming-out party, Velasquez’s performance against Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira at UFC 110 was short and brutal. In less than half a round, Velasquez destroyed one of MMA’s most historically outstanding heavyweights in easily his most impressive performance to date.
4. Shane Carwin (12-0)
It took almost four minutes -- an eternity by his usual standards -- but at UFC 111 in Newark, N.J., Carwin blew off Frank Mir’s doors in the first round to claim the UFC interim heavyweight title. However, the real championship will be contested July 3, when Carwin meets Brock Lesnar.
5. Frank Mir (13-5)
Mir entered his March 27 bout with Shane Carwin as a slight betting favorite. However, he looked none the part in the cage, as Carwin bashed him with left hands in the clinch and decimated the former UFC champion to take the promotion’s interim title. With it, he took Mir’s chance for a rubber match with Brock Lesnar.
6. Junior dos Santos (11-1)
Dos Santos’ March 21 bout with Gabriel Gonzaga was supposed to be a sterner test for the hot Brazilian prospect. However, it was business as usual for “Cigano,” who used his boxing ability to turn out the lights on “Napao” and firmly entrench himself in the UFC heavyweight title race.
7. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC)
“Minotauro” had an army of backers who felt the former Pride and UFC heavyweight champion would put on a vintage performance against Cain Velasquez at UFC 110. However, post-fight discussion centered on whether or not Nogueira still has the physical tools to hang with young, elite heavyweights after Velasquez polished him off in a little more than two minutes.
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Nice post Weighpshr!
The UFC has the best heavyweights bar none.
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Rogers is a helluva fighter, he just got destroyed by 2 top level fighters with assloads of experience at that top level. Overeem has more knockouts than Carwin has fights, he's doubles that number up on Lesnar. The only name that truly jumps out at me on that list is Cain Velasquez, he's young, has the wrestling, crisp striking, and sick cardio. Carwin is decent, but he's a little too hittable, his boxing is a little sloppy although he makes up for it in punching power, Frank Mir and Napao aren't very good measuring sticks as to how good you are. If that's the case then You should list Pa De Pano and Brandon Vera on that nutthugging list of yours. JDS and his lack of wrestling will be exposed shortly by a "fat" fighter that you probably think should cut to LHW becasue youre stupid like that. I find it funny that you leave Roy Nelson being that he's better at this point in time than most of the people on that list.
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How many fights left does Overeem have left at strikeforce?
Could UFC nab him up?
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Rogers is a helluva fighter, he just got destroyed by 2 top level fighters with assloads of experience at that top level. Overeem has more knockouts than Carwin has fights, he's doubles that number up on Lesnar. The only name that truly jumps out at me on that list is Cain Velasquez, he's young, has the wrestling, crisp striking, and sick cardio. Carwin is decent, but he's a little too hittable, his boxing is a little sloppy although he makes up for it in punching power, Frank Mir and Napao aren't very good measuring sticks as to how good you are. If that's the case then You should list Pa De Pano and Brandon Vera on that nutthugging list of yours. JDS and his lack of wrestling will be exposed shortly by a "fat" fighter that you probably think should cut to LHW becasue youre stupid like that. I find it funny that you leave Roy Nelson being that he's better at this point in time than most of the people on that list.
You keep clowning Mir on his Vera and Pe De Pano fights, but those were fights after a long layoff after a devastating accident. Let's not twist the truth here.
You keep claiming that Rodgers is apparently one of the best, while claiming Lesnar and Carwin are nobodies, beating nobody worthwhile.
Tell me who on this list is anybody worthwhile, and don't even say Arvloski...His time has been up for a while.
Sad because Arvloski is his only real win...and Arvloski got beat by Silva. That says it all right there.
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Brett-Rogers-16048 (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Brett-Rogers-16048)
Loss Alistair Overeem TKO (Punches) Strikeforce - Heavy Artillery 5/15/2010 1 3:40
Loss Fedor Emelianenko TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 2 1:48
Win Andrei Arlovski TKO (Punches) Strikeforce - Lawler vs. Shields 6/6/2009 1 0:22
Win Ron Humphrey TKO (Knees) Strikeforce - Shamrock vs. Diaz 4/11/2009 2 1:38
Win Jon Murphy KO (Punch) EliteXC - Primetime 5/31/2008 1 1:01
Win James Thompson KO (Punches) EliteXC - Street Certified 2/16/2008 1 2:24
Win Ralph Kelly Submission (Punches) EliteXC - Renegade 11/10/2007 1 1:43
Win Josh Melichar KO (Punches) EFX - Fury 2/1/2007 1 0:12
Win Mark Racine TKO (Punches) EFX - Fury 12/7/2006 1 2:35
Win Brian Heden KO (Punches) EFX - Fury 11/1/2006 1 1:20
Win Stan Strong KO (Punches) UCS - Throwdown at the T-Bar 7/30/2006 2 0:13
Win Chris Clark TKO (Punches) EFX - Fury 5/3/2006 1 0:37
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First off, show me where I said Carwin and Lesnar are nobodies. Carwin is actually decent because he does more than one thing good, unlike Brock.
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First off, show me where I said Carwin and Lesnar are nobodies. Carwin is actually decent because he does more than one thing good, unlike Brock.
Please address Rogers record. Who on that list is a meaningful victory?
You said they Brock and Carwin have beaten nobody worthwhile right?
Let me refresh your memory, this is what you stated here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329682.msg4725093#msg4725093 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329682.msg4725093#msg4725093)
Carwin and Lesnar are the best in the world just because they have wins over Frank Mir? If that's the case then Ian Freeman is definately a top 10 HW.
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I think Alistar is a legit top 5 heavyweight. I'm looking forward to seeing him in the UFC. Before then, tough, he will expose Fedor for the over-hyped quif that he is. Let's see if Fedor ducks him. Or if he doesn't, lol...sleepy time :)
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Please address Rogers record. Who on that list is a meaningful victory?
You said they Brock and Carwin have beaten nobody worthwhile right?
Let me refresh your memory, this is what you stated here:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329682.msg4725093#msg4725093 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329682.msg4725093#msg4725093)
Carwin and Lesnar are the best in the world just because they have wins over Frank Mir? If that's the case then Ian Freeman is definately a top 10 HW.
All I see there is my countering your assumption that Carwin/Brock are the best in the world. I'm not calling Brett Rodgers the best in the world either, i'm actually saying he would never beat Fedor or Overeem so he's better off going to the UFC where the competition is easier (and greener). Arlovski is a legit enough opponent for him to be ranked up there with the other guys that are ranked highly based on one decent name on their record.