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anyone have good results with it?
i remember when it first came out, everyone thought it was a legal steroid, i used it about 10 years ago, and did not notice anything. they make it better these days? I also remember getting palpatations while on it. crazy.
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anyone have good results with it?
i remember when it first came out, everyone thought it was a legal steroid, i used it about 10 years ago, and did not notice anything. they make it better these days? I also remember getting palpatations while on it. crazy.
haha, good to hear you are thinking of ingesting chemical waste molecules...
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anyone have good results with it?
i remember when it first came out, everyone thought it was a legal steroid, i used it about 10 years ago, and did not notice anything. they make it better these days? I also remember getting palpatations while on it. crazy.
Excellent stuff. Works better than any fiber supplement out there. Guaranteed crazy wet diarrhea shits once I took it. Felt clean as a whistle.
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nice thread title change. 8)
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I only take one type of creatine, and that's creatine effervescent. Love it! Always have good results with it.
FSI makes a good product. Its now called Eightball nutrition, but its the same product.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/eball/images/creatine_edge_450_white.jpeg)
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Just eat more meat. Don't waste your money on supplements.
Hope this helps.
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Just eat more meat. Don't waste your money on supplements.
Hope this helps.
Yeah, but how much does it cost to eat 5 grams of creatine from red meat?
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nice thread title change. 8)
nice pick up, not many people know what creatinine is.
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nice pick up, not many people know what creatinine is.
i always thought it was kinda funny how close it sounds to creatine when I get labwork done. And the fact if you workout seriously, it's usually a little elevated.
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Yeah, but how much does it cost to eat 5 grams of creatine from red meat?
This is the problem with people who take up a lifestyle or hobby. There are no cheap hobbies or lifestyles out there. If you want to be a bodybuilder or simply gain muscle ...you can't do it half ass. GO and eat 5-6 meals with meat as the main portion and see if your 5 grams of creatine is gonna make a difference. Sure it's gonna cost a decent amount of money but nothing that is worthwhile is inexpensive.
Getting big isn't rocket science like people make it out to be. You don't need supps, just food. You can't get big if you have an average diet that your mother fed you since you were in diapers and stack it with protein and creatine.
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This is the problem with people who take up a lifestyle or hobby. There are no cheap hobbies or lifestyles out there. If you want to be a bodybuilder or simply gain muscle ...you can't do it half ass. GO and eat 5-6 meals with meat as the main portion and see if your 5 grams of creatine is gonna make a difference. Sure it's gonna cost a decent amount of money but nothing that is worthwhile is inexpensive.
Getting big isn't rocket science like people make it out to be. You don't need supps, just food. You can't get big if you have an average diet that your mother fed you since you were in diapers and stack it with protein and creatine.
Sure, but we're also living in a realistic universe! 1) most people can't afford to eat 5-6 meals of red meat a day, 2) how is that healthy for you? Its cheaper and more efficient to just buy some creatine. Sorry, but you can gain muscle without eating 5-6 meals a day of red meat. I have put on a good deal of muscle without eating that much red meat. I'm never going to step on stage!! Why go to such extreme lengths to get maybe another 1/2 inch on your arm?
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Plazmosis
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Plazmosis
Anator-P70.
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The first time I tried it was back in 98. I gained 13 pounds in 6 weeks, and my bodyfat remained unchanged, at about 11%. I used creatine monohydrate and started with a 5 day loading phase of 20 grams daily (4 doses of 5 grams) and then a maintaince dose of 5 grams daily thereafter.
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anyone have good results with it?
i remember when it first came out, everyone thought it was a legal steroid, i used it about 10 years ago, and did not notice anything. they make it better these days? I also remember getting palpatations while on it. crazy.
Very good results. Get Creapure, from Germany, purest there is. Creatine IS effective.
NN
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Solid product and one of the best for a natty bb. I get a kick out of the uninformed media that to this day will loosely throw around creatine usage like it's a steroid. Or try and make it seem like it's a "gateway" supplement that leads to eventual steroid usage.
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Creatine is one of your primary energy sources. To say it doesn't work, would be foolish.
You hold more water in the muscle, when taking it, making you more full and stronger.
Drawbacks, minor creabloat. Once you stop, the water leaves the muscle cells (smaller/weaker).
Doesn't affect natural test levels.
Even krealkalyn causes bloat. Don't buy into the ph balance giving less bloat, it's inaccurate.
For a long time, I never would workout without it, but now...I'd rather have a leaner appearance, so don't bother and sacrifice strength.
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monohydrate is very effective at producing strength and mass gains when used correctly i.e. around the workout when the blood will carry it to the muscle.
if people are not doing this then your results will be much less.
every person that claims to want to grow muscle and get stronger should be taking it - if not you are not doing yourself justice.
it is the real deal.
creatine monohydrate is as effective as all the other effervescent, alkalised versions - and is also much cheaper.
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monohydrate is very effective at producing strength and mass gains when used correctly i.e. around the workout when the blood will carry it to the muscle.
if people are not doing this then your results will be much less.
every person that claims to want to grow muscle and get stronger should be taking it - if not you are not doing yourself justice.
it is the real deal.
creatine monohydrate is as effective as all the other effervescent, alkalised versions - and is also much cheaper.
Was the esterfied creatine just bullshit? No better than regular monohydrate?
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monohydrate is very effective at producing strength and mass gains when used correctly i.e. around the workout when the blood will carry it to the muscle.
if people are not doing this then your results will be much less.
every person that claims to want to grow muscle and get stronger should be taking it - if not you are not doing yourself justice.
it is the real deal.
creatine monohydrate is as effective as all the other effervescent, alkalised versions - and is also much cheaper.
Yeah, but doesn't monohydrate requiring a loading phase? Effervescent doesn't. Plus, the effervescent by FSI is pretty cheap, if you can find it in the right places online.
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i got palpatations (rapid and skipped heart beats) while on it back in the 90s... (EAS brand). think its different these days, or is there a similar alternative?
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creatine turned Carlton into a monster in the late 90s.
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Hey SF1900, Yeah man, monohydrate requires a loading phase, but its only for 5 days. 4 seperate doses of 5 grams daily. At the moment, Im still a bit chubby (12-13% bodyfat) but once I hit 10% Im gonna do me a cycle, and I fully expect to gain bout 10 fat-free pounds in than 2 weeks :>
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For as much as people knock it Creatine has always worked well for me. I typically jump up about 8-10 pounds whenever I use it.
I also probably have more type II muscle then the average person, so this might have something to do with it.
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Just curious Top, what kind of training protocol do you follow while on it? I stick with sets of 6 reps.
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For as much as people knock it Creatine has always worked well for me. I typically jump up about 8-10 pounds whenever I use it.
I also probably have more type II muscle then the average person, so this might have something to do with it.
It's great for loading water, that's about it.
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It's great for loading water, that's about it.
Steroids more or less do the same. Granted they also increase protein synthesis and other things, but the primary effect of a lot of them is water retention.
I look at creatine as a mild form of D-Bol, at least for me. Sometimes...usually after a workout, I look really full and great, other times a bit bloated...it varies throughout the day.
To answer another question...I train the same. I am just a bit stronger while taking it then when I am not. I always keep a log book of everything, so when I am taking it I am more inclined to try and keep beating the log book, either via an extra rep, or extra weight on a particular set.
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Yeah, but how much does it cost to eat 5 grams of creatine from red meat?
5 grms of creatine = 2lbs of red meat a day I believe.
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it works great with me!!..
supplement are very expensive in egypt so last time i was in dubai this year i bought one jar of creatine monohydrate and they gave me another one for free :D.. there was an offer on a certain brand because the expiry date was may 2011!!.. the price of one jar (1 kilo) was about USD 40 so i took 2 at only USD 40!!..
supplement in dubai are relatively cheap and are found everywhere!!..
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Creatine and Vanadyl Sulphate works good for natties, has a roid effect.
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I've been taking it for 2 months now @ 5 g per day, and haven't noticed a goddamn thing. I'm going to 20 g daily for as long as my supply lasts, but am expecting sweet FA. Not worth the money, I should have bought a side of beef instead.
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I've been taking it for 2 months now @ 5 g per day, and haven't noticed a goddamn thing. I'm going to 20 g daily for as long as my supply lasts, but am expecting sweet FA. Not worth the money, I should have bought a side of beef instead.
I'm the same - creatine doesn't have the slightest bit of an effect on me - I used the ethyl ester stuff for about three months straight a few years back - not only does it taste foul, it's also more expensive than the monohydrate and I had absolutely zero results from it.
Same with glutamine - I don't know why people rave about that stuff - it's a non-essential amino acid, it's produced by the body naturally and in large quantities so why anyone would want to pay money to supplement with it further is beyond me.
And yet stuff like NO-Explode does work with me - yet I've heard people on here slating it. ???
The best advice I could give is simply experiment with stuff to see if it works for you and don't pay attention to what anyone else says about their progress - we're all different.
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Allright fellas, this topic has me inspired, so I'm gonna go out and get some creatine monohydrate today and give it a go :> In fact, I will post before and after pics of my left arm during this 2 to 4 week experiment ;) As it stands, may left arm now measures 39cm, which is about 15 and 1/3 inches. I fully expect to gain 3 to 4 cm on my arm over this 2 to 4 week period, 3 to 4 cm is about 1 and a half inches.
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there is no need to load creatine - its a myth. studies disproved long ago.
take 5g with carb and protein source 30-45 mins before the workout with another 5g with carb and protein source after the workout.
you WILL get results, in fact you will have a better pump both visually and physically from the first workout.
trick is to time it correctly to coincide with insulin levels, blood flow and workouts.
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Steroids more or less do the same. Granted they also increase protein synthesis and other things, but the primary effect of a lot of them is water retention.
I look at creatine as a mild form of D-Bol, at least for me. Sometimes...usually after a workout, I look really full and great, other times a bit bloated...it varies throughout the day.
To answer another question...I train the same. I am just a bit stronger while taking it then when I am not. I always keep a log book of everything, so when I am taking it I am more inclined to try and keep beating the log book, either via an extra rep, or extra weight on a particular set.
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there is no need to load creatine - its a myth. studies disproved long ago.
take 5g with carb and protein source 30-45 mins before the workout with another 5g with carb and protein source after the workout.
you WILL get results, in fact you will have a better pump both visually and physically from the first workout.
trick is to time it correctly to coincide with insulin levels, blood flow and workouts.
Those astronomical gains (which usually occur with those using creatine for the first time) tend to come from loading. The first time I did it, using Phosphagen HP back in 1996, I gained 7 lbs in one week.
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Those astronomical gains (which usually occur with those using creatine for the first time) tend to come from loading. The first time I did it, using Phosphagen HP back in 1996, I gained 7 lbs in one week.
Same here, not 7lbs in a week, but serious gains in a short time......there is no NEED to load, but your gains come much quicker.....or at least they did for me back in the day....haven't taken it in a long time.
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Same here, not 7lbs in a week, but serious gains in a short time......there is no NEED to load, but your gains come much quicker.....or at least they did for me back in the day....haven't taken it in a long time.
I remember it well. I went from 215 to 222 the first week; the second week from 222 to 224; by mid-third week, I was up to 227.
Most people I know are like that and like you. The first time they loaded with creatine, they gained 5 lbs (or more) the first week.
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It's great for loading water, that's about it.
More water in the muscle cell, greater strength/size...no?
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I'm rather certain that I will gain rougly 5kg (10 pounds) while adding about 3cm (over 1 inch) to my arms within 2 weeks or so :) But only time will tell.
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there is no need to load creatine - its a myth. studies disproved long ago.
This is correct. The "loading" business is just a trick to get you to use up all your creatine and buy more.
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loading creatine would make you hold more water.
but it won't make you increase muscle mass.
think about it - its sucked into whatever organ has blood in it and that also uses creatine for energy ( heres a hint - every major organ and muscle).
loading for a week will circulate the creatine around the entire body - forcing water etc all over the body.
when you only take it around the workouts - the creatine is forced into the muscle, giving you extra energy, extra nutrients, stretching the area with increased water, and helping a host of biochemical processes within the muscle, i.e. satellite cell activity, igf, etc etc
i'm telling the truth here guys - the studies have proved this long ago.
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Allright, if it's true that loading isn't necessary then what about non-training days? Fuck man! I just bought me a huge 1300 grams container of creatine monohydrate for about 25 USD, so it's not like I'm gonna lose lots of cash by loading it for 5 to 7 days LOL
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monohydrate = water bloat/retention in the muscles and under the skin depending of your gentics. Gives more energy (10%)than usual and increased well being. Can give cramps to some -gave me raging hard ons for some reasons- Keeps joints well hydrated. As soon as you stop it tho, all the water goes out the body and you feel like shit and you figure you didnt gain that much muscle mass ...
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There are some reports of creatine accelerating hair loss as well.
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nowdays you can buy creatine without the loading-phase and without bloat!
shockwave gave me excellent pumps some strenght too.
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to the twink thinking he will add 1inch on his 15inches pythons, to the retard who think creatine give him raging hard ons, and to the bro claiming that it accelerate hair loss..... LOLOLOLOL gotta love getbig
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There are some reports of creatine accelerating hair loss as well.
you're a ugly ginger, it shouldnt matter
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As far as I know there are no evidence of this? Do you have any info?
There are tons of reports if you just google it. I doubt there are any studies on PubMed or anything if that's what you're looking for.
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it def makes you break out
thats why i stay away from it
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it def makes you break out
thats why i stay away from it
Maybe BSN has something for a replacement but Chick wont tell us what it is.
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Ok, here is the before pic. My arm measures 39 cm, which is about 15 and 1/3 inches, and I weigh 77.6 kg, which is about 171 pounds, and my waist measures 85 cm, which is about 33 and 1/2 inches. See we will see.... P.S. I dont train legs coz im too lazy to train them, and its boring as fvuk to train them as well ;D
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Ok, here is the before pic. My arm measures 39 cm, which is about 15 and 1/3 inches, and I weigh 77.6 kg, which is about 171 pounds, and my waist measures 85 cm, which is about 33 and 1/2 inches. See we will see.... P.S. I dont train legs coz im too lazy to train them, and its boring as fvuk to train them as well ;D
Pretty decent arm there, legs are boring to train but squats stimulate your whole system so may help your upper body development. Then again pants always work.
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Bloat,bloat,bloat for me.
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Ok, here is the before pic. My arm measures 39 cm, which is about 15 and 1/3 inches, and I weigh 77.6 kg, which is about 171 pounds, and my waist measures 85 cm, which is about 33 and 1/2 inches. See we will see.... P.S. I dont train legs coz im too lazy to train them, and its boring as fvuk to train them as well ;D
If leg training is boring, it's because you don't have enough poundage on the bar. You know what Ronnie says: "Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder; but don't nobody wanna lift no heavy-@$$ weight!"
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Yeah I know about the importance of a heavy compound lift for the legs, via barbell squats of even leg presses, but I can always use another standard excuse of mine which is, "I can't do them coz my knee is fucked from 2 previous surgeries that I had on it from basketball injuries." But I do plan on doing some regular and heavy stiff-leg deads, and hopefully these SLD's will give me a decent boost.
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Yeah I know about the importance of a heavy compound lift for the legs, via barbell squats of even leg presses, but I can always use another standard excuse of mine which is, "I can't do them coz my knee is fucked from 2 previous surgeries that I had on it from basketball injuries." But I do plan on doing some regular and heavy stiff-leg deads, and hopefully these SLD's will give me a decent boost.
I had a strained hip flexor over the spring and was able to make some modest progress with my legs doing nothing but SLDLs and leg extensions.
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6 day update. Bodyweight up 4 pounds, waist up 1 inch, arms up half inch.
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good stuff.
are you loading all day every day or only taking pre/post workout ?
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I took creatine 7-8 years ago and did gain 5-6 lbs in the first wk and maybe a few more while "cycling it" but it's all bloat and I dropped the weight quickly when i came off it. I temporarily gained some strength too while on. Just like most other supplements, 99% are garbage. If I were going to spend money on BB supps now it would be on real hormones, more bang for your buck.
and LOL at the guy comparing creatine to a mild dose of dbol. 10mg of dbol is probably 100x more effective than all the creatine in a supplement store..
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I loaded for 5 days, and now I'm just taking it pre/post. I think that I will be able to add another 2 or 3 cm (roughly 1 inch) within the next 3 weeks if I'm lucky, but only time will tell. I've got a huge appetite now, and I'm not sure if it's from the creatine monohydrate or not? I can eat a large bowl of hot buttered pasta in under 3 minutes LOL
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Creatine just makes me hold water..a marginal strength gain isnt worth it to me
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Pretty decent arm there, legs are boring to train but squats stimulate your whole system so may help your upper body development. Then again pants always work.
You're kidding...right ??
Nothing against him, but he looks like an average joe
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Im not affiliated with this product called shockwave, it has good creatine in it that doesnt require loading and you dont get bloat!!!
it gave me very good pumps while on it!!
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Creatine just makes me hold water..a marginal strength gain isnt worth it to me
My mom said I look like a penguin when i was on creatine (creation as it was referred to). Got food poisoning, and was in the hospital and lost about 15 pounds---all water weight.
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My mom said I look like a penguin when i was on creatine (creation as it was referred to). Got food poisoning, and was in the hospital and lost about 15 pounds---all water weight.
HaHaHa ;D (not about the hospitalization)
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Just trained delts and tris today, and added 3 reps to my delt exercise and 4 reps to my tri exercise so now I'm expecting a size jump to go along with it as well ;) Progressive overload IS the name of the game
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anyone have good results with it?
i remember when it first came out, everyone thought it was a legal steroid, i used it about 10 years ago, and did not notice anything. they make it better these days? I also remember getting palpatations while on it. crazy.
Carefull bro , it might make your hair fall out :D
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These great weight numbers are water weight gain. When you stop you lose the water thus bringing you back to where you started unless you train like a maniac. It tastes nasty, makes my face round from the retention, and worries me about the breakdown in my kidneys so I didnt use it too long when I did.
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These great weight numbers are water weight gain. When you stop you lose the water thus bringing you back to where you started unless you train like a maniac. It tastes nasty, makes my face round from the retention, and worries me about the breakdown in my kidneys so I didnt use it too long when I did.
::) its only creatine.
its not that serious.
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These great weight numbers are water weight gain. When you stop you lose the water thus bringing you back to where you started unless you train like a maniac. It tastes nasty, makes my face round from the retention, and worries me about the breakdown in my kidneys so I didnt use it too long when I did.
If creatine takes you out, you deserved to be culled.
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If creatine takes you out, you deserved to be culled.
can you imagine him on anadrol, insulin and dnp :o
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can you imagine him on anadrol, insulin and dnp :o
just handling the vials would cause him to slip into a coma.
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All interesting comments since I placed second at the 2000 WNSO worlds just missing my Musclemania card but this IS getbig so flaming is your business
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Loading never seemed logical since your body cannot store creatine anyway. Sort of like loading protein.
I do recall that it was recommended to use it for about 3 months, and then stop using it for some period of time.
Is it really necessary to get off of it for a period of time?
Why couldn't you simply take 5 grams/day along with your other supplements?
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Creatine works well. Numerous studies have shown monohydrate to still be superior to this day. Loading is bs, the muscle will reach the same saturation level it will just take longer. Loading was a gimmick designed to sell more product. Also creatine does stress the kidneys, I do not recommend it for this reason.
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Creatine works well. Numerous studies have shown monohydrate to still be superior to this day. Loading is bs, the muscle will reach the same saturation level it will just take longer. Loading was a gimmick designed to sell more product. Also creatine does stress the kidneys, I do not recommend it for this reason.
Have there been any studies regarding kidney issues? Is there a lot of anecdotal evidence?
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I used to piss like a racehorse when I took it. Couldn't go anywhere without having to find a bathroom or a bush.
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All interesting comments since I placed second at the 2000 WNSO worlds just missing my Musclemania card but this IS getbig so flaming is your business
maybe if you used creatine and quit being a whinny bitch you would have gotten first.
something to think about.
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Have there been any studies regarding kidney issues? Is there a lot of anecdotal evidence?
France banned it over kidney issues. If I remember correctly, when you mix monodryate in water it very quickly loses the water molecule and degrades into creatinine, a fairly toxic substance. Haven't you wondered why you need to mix 10+ grams in water? Because only 1-2 grams actually make it to your bloodstream. I speak on monohydrate only, I have no real experience with CEE or other variants. I will also say while great for strength the water bloat makes my whole body look like shit. The water the covers my arms and abs ain't intramuscular water retention folks. Makes me bloat exactly like I do when i am eating high salt and fatty foods...
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think i will just avoid it!
protein takes a toll on the kidneys already, plus the strenuous exercising puts added stress on the kidneys...
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France banned it over kidney issues. If I remember correctly, when you mix monodryate in water it very quickly loses the water molecule and degrades into creatinine, a fairly toxic substance. Haven't you wondered why you need to mix 10+ grams in water? Because only 1-2 grams actually make it to your bloodstream. I speak on monohydrate only, I have no real experience with CEE or other variants. I will also say while great for strength the water bloat makes my whole body look like shit. The water the covers my arms and abs ain't intramuscular water retention folks. Makes me bloat exactly like I do when i am eating high salt and fatty foods...
it is not banned in france...
La vente de créatine est désormais légale en France. La notice d’utilisation doit préciser que la consommation de créatine ne doit pas excéder 3 grammes par jour. Cette légalisation est récente, la France ayant dû s’aligner sur la réglementation européenne concernant la vente des compléments alimentaires.
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maybe if you used creatine and quit being a whinny bitch you would have gotten first.
something to think about.
haha, true......pandy these guys talk about Creatine like it's synthol.....just 5 grams a day and it will suck every ounce of water out of your body and force it into the muscles, only appearing to make you look bigger.
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5 grams in the morning, another 5 after training. I get stronger and heavier, and that is a fact!
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my face gets bloaty taking creatine
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think i will just avoid it!
protein takes a toll on the kidneys already, plus the strenuous exercising puts added stress on the kidneys...
There are numerous studies that show NO correlation between high protein intake and kidney problems.