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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Kwon on May 19, 2010, 04:58:17 PM
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Almost as big as Swede!
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his calves need work
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Geez, how much does that dude weigh?
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hahah what a piece of lard, should lose some fat and stop lifting so much.
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hahah what a piece of lard, should lose some fat and stop lifting so much.
Yes because even though he is at the very top of his sport, we here at getbig know better.
Take vegetarian diet for example. He would be even better and have avoided his stomach ailments.
Can anyone get him to log on here? I'm sure there are plenty of getbiggers who are best friend with Brock.
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Yes because even though he is at the very top of his sport, we here at getbig know better.
Take vegetarian diet for example. He would be even better and have avoided his stomach ailments.
Can anyone get him to log on here? I'm sure there are plenty of getbiggers who are best friend with Brock.
top of his sport??!! He tried it out cause it was the in thing to do, he hasn't even had many fights, geezus! What is he like 3-1 in MMA, in boxing that would be laughable to say you were at the top of the sport already, must be an easy sport to get into then or lack of quality competition.
jt
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top of his sport??!! He tried it out cause it was the in thing to do, he hasn't even had many fights, geezus! What is he like 3-1 in MMA, in boxing that would be laughable to say you were at the top of the sport already, must be an easy sport to get into then or lack of quality competition.
jt
UFC HW Champ + most well paid.
Maybe you can give him some better career advice then?
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UFC HW Champ + most well paid.
Maybe you can give him some better career advice then?
that wasn't the point, it was if you can break into UFC that quick there is something wrong with the so called sport, the depth as far as talent wise is very shallow.
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Where the fuck is swede he has been absent for awhile hope he is ok a cool poster.
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that wasn't the point, it was if you can break into UFC that quick there is something wrong with the so called sport, the depth as far as talent wise is very shallow.
He trained as an amateur wrestler for 10 years and was the NCAA All American Heavyweight champion. That was his base. He's a quick learner and great natural athlete (his NFL stats for speed, ect. were impressive for a man his size) but definately has holes with his striking/submission game. Being bigger, stronger, and able to control people with his wrestling has help him advance. He's in tough for his next fight though.The competition is getting better.
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that wasn't the point, it was if you can break into UFC that quick there is something wrong with the so called sport, the depth as far as talent wise is very shallow.
I see what your saying but you may be overlooking the fact that he wrestled at the highest level his entire adult life going 103-5 in his NCAA career. Wrestling is regarded by many to be the best base for MMA so it wasn't as if he just walked in off the street and started training for a year then wrecked shop in the UFC. The guys he beat are quality opponents in Couture, Mir and Herring. It certainly wasnt easy.
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Why do people argue with jtsunami>? He's so obviously a trolling character.
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I see what your saying but you may be overlooking the fact that he wrestled at the highest level his entire adult life going 103-5 in his NCAA career. Wrestling is regarded by many to be the best base for MMA so it wasn't as if he just walked in off the street and started training for a year then wrecked shop in the UFC. The guys he beat are quality opponents in Couture, Mir and Herring. It certainly wasnt easy.
you are both right
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cock chestnar is a chump.
most overrated fighter ever
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that wasn't the point, it was if you can break into UFC that quick there is something wrong with the so called sport, the depth as far as talent wise is very shallow.
Well with all your knowledge and superior physical size and strength, when can we expect you to make that real easy move to stardom in the UFC. ::) The way you talk and act it sounds like your first title fight is coming up soon. Can you give us a date when it will be on.
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cock chestnar is a chump.
most overrated fighter ever
Igor > Brock.
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Given the graphic in the upper left hand corner, his pose (and his famous cock chestnar tattoo) this image is just begging for a cock to be photoshopped into his tightly clutching hands
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Igor > Brock.
hell yeah. i guarantee you a 5'8 igor vovchanchyn would beat the shit out of cock chestnar. i would bet everything i own on it.
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hell yeah. i guarantee you a 5'8 igor vovchanchyn would beat the shit out of cock chestnar. i would bet everything i own on it.
empty bottle of booze and a guitarr?
(I wonder if someones gets it)
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Im gonna be sooo fucking nervous when this fight it about to start lol!
It makes me feel like Im watching WCW again and Gldberg comes out lol not as in nervous but Exciting!
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empty bottle of booze and a guitarr?
(I wonder if someones gets it)
are you arguing that a man with a 110-12 record (who has beaten the shit out of tons of guys 6'5+ and 300lbs+) would not win a fight against a 4-1 record chump who has never fought a tough guy?
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are you arguing that a man with a 110-12 record (who has beaten the shit out of tons of guys 6'5+ and 300lbs+) would not win a fight against a 4-1 record chump who has never fought a tough guy?
you can go and ponder this alone in the corner of your basement room boy
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Brock should follow the JTsunami dieting and exercise principles.
In step one, you cut all proteins and healthy fats. You recieve all of your calories from refried beans, carrot cake and pixxy sticks. In step two, you refrain from all forms of exercise including walking up stairs and to the bathroom. In step three, you begin with a light keyboard work out on getbig. com where you knock athletic and successful people for 8-14 hours daily. Slowly you work your way up to 24 hours a day.
Finally in step 5, you either suffocate yourself with your mouse cord ( great for developing the trapezius) or roll out of bed and break your hip. If you go with option two, you will die on the floor of your bedroom covered in your own waste after starving to death while still logged on to getbig.
Brock has no idea what he's doing.
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Igor > Brock.
QFT. Igor Vovchanchyn is the most underrated fighter in MMA history. He had a 33 fight fight inbeaten streak 32-0-1 spanning 5 years.
Anyone doubting Igor>Brock doesn't remember Mark Kerr. Not the fat out of shape guy he is now, but the 265 lbs ripped beast who was the number 1 HW in the world around the years 1998-2000. Kerr had just as good of wrestling creds as Lesnar and was everbit as big and Strong and Igor beat him twice. Once was eventually ruled a NC but Igor won the rematch convincingly.
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cock chestnar is a chump.
most overrated fighter ever
bet you could fuck him up champ 8)
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hahah what a piece of lard, should lose some fat.
Coming from a fat, soft and small - complete bitch looking type of a guy.. that’s a hilarious comment.
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Brock has fighting power now...
in smacdown he was doing "enough" cardio and building developing muscle power, he looked rly fucking bad ass back then... now he only has a good uper back to show for it...
but it's because he's doing top level cardio vascularity training, ofcourse he looks like a mass of skin and fat, he has lost muscle, but doesn't mean he's weak, he is still very strong, just not as strong as he used to, but it's because he is doing cardio 10 hours a day.
SWEDE!, correct me if I'm wrong ofcourse ;D
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This will be a must see event for sure.
If you sleep over Brock VS Carwin you're missing out on a REAL Clash of the Titans!
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This will be a must see event for sure.
If you sleep over Brock VS Carwin you're missing out on a REAL Clash of the Titans!
AgreeD!
Brock vs Carwin
&
Quinton vs Rashad
Those fights are both must SEEEEE!!!! Don't miss it !!
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The bottom line is that Brock is big, strong, moves well, and has an incredible base. That being said, he hits like a pussy. He can't throw a legitimate punch. He throws that little bitch hammer fist. The only reason he beat Mir the second time is because Mir couldn't escape his base, but he could have eaten those Brock-wonder punches for an hour without serious damage. On the other hand, Carwin hits like a freight train, and Brock is gonna see stars when he gets hit by Carwin.
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The bottom line is that Brock is big, strong, moves well, and has an incredible base. That being said, he hits like a pussy. He can't throw a legitimate punch. He throws that little bitch hammer fist. The only reason he beat Mir the second time is because Mir couldn't escape his base, but he could have eaten those Brock-wonder punches for an hour without serious damage. On the other hand, Carwin hits like a freight train, and Brock is gonna see stars when he gets hit by Carwin.
Mir was swollen up looking like an alien after he got pounded by Brock. Hardly' little bitch' hammer fists. He's obviously not a great striker but when those fists hit they cause serious damage. Mir was fucked up after that fight.
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Mir was swollen up looking like an alien after he got pounded by Brock. Hardly' little bitch' hammer fists. He's obviously not a great striker but when those fists hit they cause serious damage. Mir was fucked up after that fight.
I agree.. Brock is capable of some serious power, he’s just that big and strong. Carwin is the better striker, and is capable of knocking Brock silly. I think if Brock gets a hold of Carwin, he could pulverize him on the ground. I’m excited to see them fight.
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Mir was swollen up looking like an alien after he got pounded by Brock. Hardly' little bitch' hammer fists. He's obviously not a great striker but when those fists hit they cause serious damage. Mir was fucked up after that fight.
this is what Frank Mir has to say about brock... he thinks he can win fedor
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every fedor guy should watch this clip... very good points why brock would win
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every fedor guy should watch this clip... very good points why brock would win
When can we get these mofos fighting ? Do we need to contact Don King for arrangements?
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When can we get these mofos fighting ? Do we need to contact Don King for arrangements?
FEDOR isn't dodging but his manager's are, even though fedor = M1, that's what he claims....
who the hell know's what this dude is thinking...
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every fedor guy should watch this clip...
You're right. We got to get Brock and Carwin into Strikeforce. Enough is enough already.
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I'm thinking of starting boxing (the best boxing gym in norway is 10 minutes from here), what do you think guys?
can't hurt... allways good to know how to throw basic combonations and str8 punches...
*waiting for permabulkers to jump in to yell how it's gonna destroy your muscles and make you overtrain* ::)
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I'm thinking of starting boxing (the best boxing gym in norway is 10 minutes from here), what do you think guys?
Watch out bro I think debussey trains there he is a brutal mofo.
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Yeah they got a good deal now about 85 dollars for 3 months, I wanna go right after Thailand because I will drink alot of calories there and as you say, wanna learn some basic stuff and combos, gotta protect myself if I steal some punks girl sometime :D
you saying you have used rape drugs till now ;D
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Now that wouldn't be nice ;D
don't like the dead mule on it's back kinda sex... yeah...
thought of learning some combo's my self... lucky for me my gym has a kung fu expert (trained kung fu for 15 years, no I'm not bullshiting), 4 estonian tap out master's, one estonian boxing/martial art bad ass and since my gyms owner changed he comes there every other day to train and he has done karate and also knows good boxing skills.
So I just ask them to teach me :D, good dudes, all the way good dudes...
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QFT. Igor Vovchanchyn is the most underrated fighter in MMA history. He had a 33 fight fight inbeaten streak 32-0-1 spanning 5 years.
Anyone doubting Igor>Brock doesn't remember Mark Kerr. Not the fat out of shape guy he is now, but the 265 lbs ripped beast who was the number 1 HW in the world around the years 1998-2000. Kerr had just as good of wrestling creds as Lesnar and was everbit as big and Strong and Igor beat him twice. Once was eventually ruled a NC but Igor won the rematch convincingly.
Igor was good for his time. He wasn't great by any means losing to guys like Mario Sperry, Tra Telligman, Heath Herring, Mark Coleman ( a bigger wrestler with no skills outside of wrestling), Mirko Filipovic ( a better kickboxer then him), Alistair Overeem ( a better kickboxer then him). Kerr had no skills outside of wrestling. No submissions, no kicks, no punches, questionable movement. His shoot was amazing though. All Igor did was tire him out ( the guy was a massive juice pig) and take him apart. It's not too hard to take an artificially big steriod freak like Kerr (he walks natural at 210 lbs whereas brock walks natural at 260 lbs) and gas him. Kerr's career didn't get far for a reason. Once he fought half decent (average) competition he lost 11 times. That was almost 10 years ago. The guys today are much better. Igor would better too if he was training today, and fighting in the 185 pound class where he belonged.
Brock would pound him to death though. Way to small and not good off his back. I think Matt C. mixed up Igor with Fedor.
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Mir was swollen up looking like an alien after he got pounded by Brock. Hardly' little bitch' hammer fists. He's obviously not a great striker but when those fists hit they cause serious damage. Mir was fucked up after that fight.
Serious damage? What a fucking joke. Mir couldn't even defend his face at all and Lesnar couldn't knock him out. Can't wait to see Carwin make him his bitch.
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Serious damage? What a fucking joke. Mir couldn't even defend his face at all and Lesnar couldn't knock him out. Can't wait to see Carwin make him his bitch.
How's your training going stud?
Still teaching the little white ones the way to rid AZ of illegals?
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I'm gonna beat the shit out of Brock Lesnar. He's a pussy.
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brock would have made a good gladiator, back in the day.
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Serious damage? What a fucking joke. Mir couldn't even defend his face at all and Lesnar couldn't knock him out. Can't wait to see Carwin make him his bitch.
Brock is going to tear him up.
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Igor was good for his time. He wasn't great by any means losing to guys like Mario Sperry, Tra Telligman, Heath Herring, Mark Coleman ( a bigger wrestler with no skills outside of wrestling), Mirko Filipovic ( a better kickboxer then him), Alistair Overeem ( a better kickboxer then him). Kerr had no skills outside of wrestling. No submissions, no kicks, no punches, questionable movement. His shoot was amazing though. All Igor did was tire him out ( the guy was a massive juice pig) and take him apart. It's not too hard to take an artificially big steriod freak like Kerr (he walks natural at 210 lbs whereas brock walks natural at 260 lbs) and gas him. Kerr's career didn't get far for a reason. Once he fought half decent (average) competition he lost 11 times. That was almost 10 years ago. The guys today are much better. Igor would better too if he was training today, and fighting in the 185 pound class where he belonged.
Brock would pound him to death though. Way to small and not good off his back. I think Matt C. mixed up Igor with Fedor.
Are you retarded or just slow? Kerr was a multiple ADCC champion, subbed Barnett, beat sperry. And Kerr only lost 3 times in his prime. the rest of his losses occured when he "came back" and was a fat 230 lbs.
Igor fought and beat the best guys at the time, you cant compare him to guys today. He was a 5'8 striker and should have been fighting at 185 like you said but fought at HW.
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Almost as big as Swede!
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What's Brock weighing these days? Looks like he lost a lot of size.
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this is what Frank Mir has to say about brock... he thinks he can win fedor
Randy Couture thinks otherwise...
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cock tat. ;D
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Igor was good for his time. He wasn't great by any means losing to guys like Mario Sperry, Tra Telligman, Heath Herring, Mark Coleman ( a bigger wrestler with no skills outside of wrestling), Mirko Filipovic ( a better kickboxer then him), Alistair Overeem ( a better kickboxer then him). Kerr had no skills outside of wrestling. No submissions, no kicks, no punches, questionable movement. His shoot was amazing though. All Igor did was tire him out ( the guy was a massive juice pig) and take him apart. It's not too hard to take an artificially big steriod freak like Kerr (he walks natural at 210 lbs whereas brock walks natural at 260 lbs) and gas him. Kerr's career didn't get far for a reason. Once he fought half decent (average) competition he lost 11 times. That was almost 10 years ago. The guys today are much better. Igor would better too if he was training today, and fighting in the 185 pound class where he belonged.
Brock would pound him to death though. Way to small and not good off his back. I think Matt C. mixed up Igor with Fedor.
wow. one of the first smart post's ive seen in a mma thread here on gb!
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Swede wanted the penis tattoo just like Brock, but after he learned it would reach to the top of his forehead he called it off.
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Brock is an ugly mofo for sure
He is angry because someone stole his
eyebrows.
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How's your training going stud?
Still teaching the little white ones the way to rid AZ of illegals?
I'm still training but I'm not in AZ anymore. Back in the midwest now, at least temporarily.
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Brock is an ugly mofo for sure
He is angry because someone stole his
eyebrows.
;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D
Im sure hes insecure about it ;D ;D
(http://cyberaxis.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/brock-lesnar-and-sable.jpg)
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Im sure hes insecure about it ;D ;D
(http://cyberaxis.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/brock-lesnar-and-sable.jpg)
epic having a superstar woman for himself, convincing her she don't need photoshoots, expensive everyday weekend party's and no television and making her love it :P
damn... hey an... devil works wonders... ;D
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Brock would pound him to death though. Way to small and not good off his back. I think Matt C. mixed up Igor with Fedor.
Igor.
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Almost as big as Swede!
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someone please photoshop a cock in this pic
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someone please photoshop a cock in this pic
you're so gonna hear about this in the gayer than thread :-X
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you're so gonna hear about this in the gayer than thread :-X
fuck that i dont give a shit, the pic will be hilarious, considering the penis tattoo he has on his chest too
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Are you retarded or just slow? Kerr was a multiple ADCC champion, subbed Barnett, beat sperry. And Kerr only lost 3 times in his prime. the rest of his losses occured when he "came back" and was a fat 230 lbs.
Igor fought and beat the best guys at the time, you cant compare him to guys today. He was a 5'8 striker and should have been fighting at 185 like you said but fought at HW.
Calm down, Gloria! The sport has evolved. Igor would not beat 'wrestlers' like Brock, Cane and Shane, just like Gracie Jujitsu does not rule the world anymore.
Igor was a good fighter though, but way to one dimensional
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Kerr only lost 3 times in his prime. the rest of his losses occured when he "came back" and was a fat 230 lbs.
What prime? He came up in 1997 when the fighters he beat were hopeless on the ground (legends like Paul Varelans, Moti Horenstein, Greg Stott, Dwayne Cason). He fought 3 chumps in 1998 ending off with Hugo Duarte, the guy Tank Abbott destroyed in about 40 seconds. Garbage fighters with no takedown defence and ground game off their backs. By 1999 he was exposed by Igor V. as a one dimension wrestler and pretty much got destroyed by every decent fighter afterwards. What prime? lol. Sure he did ok controlling guys on the mat at ADCC (hint, they don't hit back there). How many brillant subs did he do in MMA? The guys is/was a garbage MMA fighter. Note: M-M-A. His skillset besides the wrestling was garbage.
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What prime? He came up in 1997 when the fighters he beat were hopeless on the ground (legends like Paul Varelans, Moti Horenstein, Greg Stott, Dwayne Cason). He fought 3 chumps in 1998 ending off with Hugo Duarte, the guy Tank Abbott destroyed in about 40 seconds. Garbage fighters with no takedown defence and ground game off their backs. By 1999 he was exposed by Igor V. as a one dimension wrestler and pretty much got destroyed by every decent fighter afterwards. What prime? lol. Sure he did ok controlling guys on the mat at ADCC (hint, they don't hit back there). How many brillant subs did he do in MMA? The guys is/was a garbage steriod machine.
His prime when he was ranked number 1. regardless of whether his opponents were cans or not. Kerr was a UFC champion and was destroying everyone they put in front of him. I'm not saying Kerr was a great fighter overall, just simply pointing out that he wasnt 1 dimensonal. Had almost half his MMA wins via Submission. Kimura was one of his favorites. I know you don't know much about MMA or sub grappling but believe it or not to enter ADCC and win you must have vast knowledge or submission and submission defence. Jeff Monson has very few wins via sub but is a BJJ black belt. I guess he is one dimensonal too right?
You are like the posters on Sherdog who forget that sprawls are also a wrestling move too, and to be well rounded you have to be aware of offensive and defensive measures.
I cant believe I'm wasting my time arguing MMA stuff with a guy who think you can win ADCC (the superbowl of submission grappling) and be a submission novice "because Kerr didnt have any brilliant subs in MMA". Right only 7 of his 15 wins came from submissions.
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Calm down, Gloria! The sport has evolved. Igor would not beat 'wrestlers' like Brock, Cane and Shane, just like Gracie Jujitsu does not rule the world anymore.
Igor was a good fighter though, but way to one dimensional
Really? Igor Vovchanchyn, who should be fighting at 185 would get destroyed by the likes of Carwin and Brock who outweigh him by 80 lbs and fight 5 years after his retirement? Who would have thought that? And the sport has evolved? Are you serious? Really? Thanks for pointing that out to all of us! I was clearly arguing to the contrary ::)
Igor was badass in his prime. Its unfair to compare him to todays fighters. All that matters is what his opponents were ranked when they fought and he knocked off some heavy hitters including Kerr ( who was ranked #1 at the time and had an aura of invincibilty about him, whether he deserved it or not), Sakuraba, Goodridge x 2 (who was a top 5 HW at the time) and Yuki Kondo a former king of pancrase. All the while at only 5'8 and fighting 1-2 divisions above where he should have been.
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His prime when he was ranked number 1. regardless of whether his opponents were cans or not. Kerr was a UFC champion and was destroying everyone they put in front of him. I'm not saying Kerr was a great fighter overall, just simply pointing out that he wasnt 1 dimensonal. Had almost half his MMA wins via Submission. Kimura was one of his favorites. I know you don't know much about MMA or sub grappling but believe it or not to enter ADCC and win you must have vast knowledge or submission and submission defence. Jeff Monson has very few wins via sub but is a BJJ black belt. I guess he is one dimensonal too right?
You are like the posters on Sherdog who forget that sprawls are also a wrestling move too, and to be well rounded you have to be aware of offensive and defensive measures.
I cant believe I'm wasting my time arguing MMA stuff with a guy who think you can win ADCC (the superbowl of submission grappling) and be a submission novice "because Kerr didnt have any brilliant subs in MMA". Right only 7 of his 15 wins came from submissions.
Wow, you managed to completely miss the point. :-[
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Really? Igor Vovchanchyn, who should be fighting at 185 would get destroyed by the likes of Carwin and Brock who outweigh him by 80 lbs and fight 5 years after his retirement? Who would have thought that? And the sport has evolved? Are you serious? Really? Thanks for pointing that out to all of us! I was clearly arguing to the contrary ::)
Igor was badass in his prime. Its unfair to compare him to todays fighters. All that matters is what his opponents were ranked when they fought and he knocked off some heavy hitters including Kerr ( who was ranked #1 at the time and had an aura of invincibilty about him, whether he deserved it or not), Sakuraba, Goodridge x 2 (who was a top 5 HW at the time) and Yuki Kondo a former king of pancrase. All the while at only 5'8 and fighting 1-2 divisions above where he should have been.
You're kind of making yourself seem like an idiot.
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all no neck and dildo tattoo
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You're kind of making yourself seem like an idiot.
hes trolling and its very obvious....
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Wow, you managed to completely miss the point. :-[
Really? You said Kerr was a one dimensional wrestler. I pointed out he was also very good at submissions and 7 of his 15 wins came from subs. Kerr was two dimensional.
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Really? You said Kerr was a one dimensional wrestler. I pointed out he was also very good at submissions and 7 of his 15 wins came from subs. Kerr was two dimensional.
I'm really not sure why someone would look at Kerr so poorly. Even if he was just a "one dimensional wrestler", what is Brock exactly? It's not like he was demonstrating great MMA skill in his wins, but he was demonstrating great wrestling skill.
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Kerr was good for his time
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hes trolling and its very obvious....
I really don't think he is though? ? He's posted photos before and he's serious I think?
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JT has one of the worst physiques on GetBig.
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I cant believe I'm wasting my time arguing MMA stuff with a guy who think you can win ADCC (the superbowl of submission grappling) and be a submission novice "because Kerr didnt have any brilliant subs in MMA". Right only 7 of his 15 wins came from submissions.
7 subs against who? "Top" ranked fighters like Chuck Huus (0-2) and Steve Gavin (3-3)? LOL!! Kerr would have been beaten by all of Brock lesnars opponents. Wait...Kerr, in his prime, was KO'ed by Heath Herring who was totally owned by Brock.