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Rape suspect deported 4 times
by Associated Press
http://www.ktvb.com/news/regional/Rape-suspect-deported-4-times-94305884.html#
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Posted on May 19, 2010 at 3:48 PM
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EDMONDS, Wash. – The man accused of raping a woman behind an Edmonds grocery store has been deported at least four times in the past 15 years, reports KIRO Radio.
An officer responding to a woman's cry for help Sunday night found 46-year-old Jose Madrigal on top of the woman and arrested him.
According to court documents, the woman told police that Madrigal had followed her and offered her $35 for sex, but she said no. She said Madrigal then forced her into the bushes on the north side of the store and raped her.
Documents say Madrigal told police "Sometimes we have control in our brains, but we make mistakes."
The 28-year-old Edmonds woman was treated at a hospital.
Snohomish County prosecutors have charged Madrigal in district court with second degree rape. He is also is being held for the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.
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Disgusting.
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Driver Hits 4 Teens, Treats Them Like 'Debris'(Illegal Alien)
CBS ^ | May 20, 2010 | Sean Hennessey
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 6:23:33 PM by mdittmar
Illegal Alien Arrested After Striking Victims, Flinging 2 Of Them Off His Hood, Then Taking Off Good Samaritan Tracks Driver Down, Detains Him Until Police Arrive
They were clinging to the top of the hood, screaming for their lives, and police say they were treated like debris. Stunning revelations surfaced Thursday about the driver in the hit-and-run crash that seriously injured four high school students who were heading to the mall.
"Thank God they're alive." That's the first thing Anthony Centamore said when he saw his daughter Stefanie in the hospital on Wednesday night, not yet aware of how she got there.
"When I walked in she had a neck brace on, and blood all over her. Scratches, scrapes on her face," he told CBS 2.
Then came the story of how Stefanie and her three friends were crossing the street and were blindsided by a car, whose driver never bothered to stop even as two victims were laying in the street, and two more, including his own daughter, were on the hood of the car, screaming for their lives.
"What does that say about him? Basically, you can classify him as a low life," Centamore said of the driver, identified as 26-year-old Elias Garcia of Hempstead.
Police said what Garcia did was barbaric, especially in how he successfully got rid of the screaming girls.
"He stops to get them off his car as you would some debris or a pile of snow off the hood of your car," said Nassau County Police Det. Lt. Ray Cote.
"They're screaming, they're bleeding as they're holding on for their lives," said Cote.
Authorities say the day laborer jerked his car to a stop, forcing the two victims to fall off so he could make his getaway. As Garcia took off, leaving the four victims in the street, good Samaritan Steve Loverde sprang into action, determined not to let the driver get away.
"I jumped into my car and made a U-turn and chased him down and he must have been going about 90 miles an hour," Loverde told CBS 2. "I pulled him out of the car and I took his keys away and I just threw them on the grass and made the 911 call."
Loverde stopped Garcia and detained him until police arrived. It turned out Garcia is an illegal alien from Guatemala who doesn't even have a license to drive, which explains why he took off, to a point.
"Regardless of illegal alien or no last name, being a human being and a good person, you stop the car," said Centamore.
As for Centamore's daughter, she's being treated at Winthrop University Hospital and is in good spirits as are all her friends, secure in the knowledge that the man who hit them didn't get away with it thanks to a good Samaritan.
"I can't say enough prayers for that gentleman. It's a great thing that he did," said Centamore.
Loverde hopes to meet the girls at the hospital and tell them someone was watching over them and not everyone gets a second chance at life.
Garcia was charged with reckless endangerment, driving without a license, and leaving the scene. Because he's an illegal immigrant, he could be deported.
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>:(
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I jkust read that these two cops were killed by illegals today.
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YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD: Crittenden CountyWEST MEMPHIS, AR (WMC-TV) - Two West Memphis police officers were shot and killed Thursday during a traffic stop along a busy cross-country interstate highway. The local sheriff and his chief deputy were wounded in a later shootout that left a pair of suspects dead.
West Memphis Police Inspector Bert Shelton said officers Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans were "running drug interdiction" on Interstate 40 at Airport Road when they pulled over a white van with Ohio license plates.
Shelton said two men got out of the van and opened fire on the officers with AK-47s.
The slain officers were identified as Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans. Paudert's father, West Memphis Police Chief Bob Paudert, said both men were part of the department's drug interdiction unit.
After the shootings, the suspects escaped. Truck driver Johnny Thompson drove past the scene before ambulances even arrived.
"Two police cars were sitting there," he said. "One police car was shot up, and one was laying in the road."
Moments later, Arkansas State troopers shut down I-40 in an attempt to root out the shooters.
"I knew there was something," motorist Bobby Hubble said. "They started pulling out vests, pulling out guns, Ak-47's and stopped everything."
Another witness described the scene on Interstate 40 as "chaos." Stacy Gilchrist said she saw a police officer lying in the road when she pulled up.
"It was a disaster, cars were just going everywhere," Gilchrist said.
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Authorities eventually tracked the suspects to the Walmart in West Memphis. There, a second shootout occurred.
During the gunfire, both suspects were killed. Additionally, Crittenden County Sheriff Dick Busby and a deputy, W. A. Wren, were shot and wounded. Both men were taken by helicopter to The MED.
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According to Crittenden County Sheriff's Department spokesperson Tommy Martin, Busby was listed in stable condition with a gunshot wound to his shoulder. Wren was shot multiple times in the stomach, and was listed in critical condition.
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After the shootout, the Walmart was closed as law enforcement secured the area. It re-opened a short time later.
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Arkansas Gov. Mike Beebe said the killings were a reminder of the risks that police face.
"I have reached out to express my condolences to the entire West Memphis Police Department, including Sergeant Paudert's father, Chief Bob Paudert," Beebe said in a statement. "This is a loss shared by all Arkansans."
•READ MORE: Gov. Beebe's complete statement
Outside the West Memphis Police Department station on Thursday, officers went in and out, some hugging each other as they passed.
According to vehicle registration records, the 1994 Plymouth driven by the suspects is owned by an Ohio church - the House of God's Prayer in New Vienna, Ohio.
Action News 5's attempts to reach someone from the church were unsuccessful Thursday. A postal worker in New Vienna said the church rents property in the town, but does not hold services.
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According to Loco, it's OK for a few American citizens to get killed. We're supposed to live with that so the illegals can "follow their dreams".
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The traitor president and his chewbacca wife say the same thing.
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The traitor president and his chewbacca wife say the same thing.
Makes sense, really. Why should Americans expect to be protected from criminals in their own country? ::)
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White House, Democrats Applaud Mexican President Slamming Arizona Law
Fox News ^ | 5/20/2010 | fox news
As Mexican President Felipe Calderon, speaking in front of Congress Thursday, ripped Arizona's new law clamping down on illegal immigrants, Democrats and White House officials rose to their feet to cheer, including Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security Janet Napolitano who have confessed to not reading the law.
"It was extremely disappointing to have a foreign head of state on the floor of the U.S. Congress exhibiting will ignorance" over the new law, Arizona House Speaker Kirk Adams told Fox News.
"But I'll tell you what's even more galling is to have members of the White House staff standing and applauding something that is absolutely wrong," he said. "Arizona's law does not introduce racial profiling. Quite the contrary."
In the first address to Congress by a foreign national leader this year, Calderon delivered a message that the two countries must cooperate to improve security along the often-violent border and control the flow of immigrants into the United States.
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under 240's captured illegal policy, this rapist would have suffered 4 leg breaks before attempting this rape.
Let's just say his victim would have had a distinct speed advantage ;)
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As Mexican President Felipe Calderon, speaking in front of Congress Thursday, ripped Arizona's new law clamping down on illegal immigrants, Democrats and White House officials rose to their feet to cheer, including Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security Janet Napolitano who have confessed to not reading the law.
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AND YOU GUYS WONDER WHY I HATE THIS ADMN? ? ? ::) ::) ::)
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under 240's captured illegal policy, this rapist would have suffered 4 leg breaks before attempting this rape.
Let's just say his victim would have had a distinct speed advantage ;)
well seeing as your against being able to check their status how are you going to know how is and who isnt an illegal to break their legs? ::)
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As a legal immigrant I'll say it again: I am all for the Arizona law. Most of the illegals are mexican / hispanic so it is too bad that there would be racial profiling but so be it. If I was pulled over and because of my accent the cop asks for my immigration documents I would have no problem providing it. I paid enough money in lawyer and application fees to get legal status so I want to know that they are checking for it.
These liberal assclowns have to be put in place. Shame on the federal government for codemning the Arizona law. I assumed 10 years ago that they were checking Mexicans for their immigration status. Now I know why there are over 10 million of them here.
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"well seeing as your against being able to check their status how are you going to know how is and who isnt an illegal to break their legs? "
Hahahaha dude, you start breaking legs, I guarantee there will be a shitload less of them to pull over. ]
but hey, most libs don't have the balls for such a policy, I dont hold this against you. You either have the stomach to do what it takes, or you dont.
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"well seeing as your against being able to check their status how are you going to know how is and who isnt an illegal to break their legs? "
Hahahaha dude, you start breaking legs, I guarantee there will be a shitload less of them to pull over. ]
but hey, most libs don't have the balls for such a policy, I dont hold this against you. You either have the stomach to do what it takes, or you dont.
LMAO I like how you didnt address my point... ::)
seeing as you against being able to check the status of a suspected illegal how would you go about telling whos legs to break and whos not to?
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i see. They were never able to catch a single illegal alien before this law passed.
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As a legal immigrant I'll say it again: I am all for the Arizona law. Most of the illegals are mexican / hispanic so it is too bad that there would be racial profiling but so be it. If I was pulled over and because of my accent the cop asks for my immigration documents I would have no problem providing it. I paid enough money in lawyer and application fees to get legal status so I want to know that they are checking for it.
These liberal assclowns have to be put in place. Shame on the federal government for codemning the Arizona law. I assumed 10 years ago that they were checking Mexicans for their immigration status. Now I know why there are over 10 million of them here.
I have a friend who's in the process of immigrating legally and he hates the AZ law too. There's a lot of paperwork, questioning, appointments, etc., that he has to go through on a regular basis. Seeing all these Mexicans looking for a free ride just pisses him off to no end. I'm starting to really favor using the National Guard to patrol the border. It's getting old now.
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i see. They were never able to catch a single illegal alien before this law passed.
LMAO obviously not enough as we are in the problem we are in...
so we should wait for them to commit a 2nd crime in which we have to catch them before we are able to break their legs?
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Bullet = cents = sense.
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I have a friend who's in the process of immigrating legally and he hates the AZ law too. There's a lot of paperwork, questioning, appointments, etc., that he has to go through on a regular basis. Seeing all these Mexicans looking for a free ride just pisses him off to no end. I'm starting to really favor using the National Guard to patrol the border. It's getting old now.
To get legal I had to go through this:
Six (6) H1-B Visas (They expire after 3 years and you can have only 6 years total. After that you can renew them in 1 year increments IF you are also being sponsored for a Green Card)
Three (3) Green Card Sponsorship (Family and Employee Based).
Once I got the Green Card I had to remove the 2 year conditional status on it. I went for a shitload of biometrics.
All you need in AZ is the Green Card or Visa documentation to prove your status. What's the big deal? How is that different from showing your drivers license and registration when you are pulled over?
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Investigators: Edmonds rape suspect deported nine times (Illegal in Seattle)
King 5 News ^
Posted on Friday, May 21, 2010 11:48:28 PM by moehoward
EDMONDS, Wash. – The KING 5 Investigators have learned that an illegal immigrant accused of raping a woman in Edmonds Sunday has been deported nine times. That's much more than previously reported.
(Excerpt) Read more at king5.com ...
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you pussies. you damn pussies.
if there were illegals lined up on my street, i'd super soaker urinate them.
if there were illegals on my street grabbing their junk, I would seriously beat the fck out of one and beg him to call 911.
pussies nationwide need to stand up. Reminds me of the iraqis who just STFU and let insurgents shoot from their backyards, refusing to snitch them out to the USA.
You see an illegal, you kick his ass... you hold him down, and you call the police and say he tried to rob you. Period. WTF is this "oh, i'm so upset about them, i'll complain on a message board".
Geez.
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you pussies. you damn pussies.
if there were illegals lined up on my street, i'd super soaker urinate them.
if there were illegals on my street grabbing their junk, I would seriously beat the fck out of one and beg him to call 911.
pussies nationwide need to stand up. Reminds me of the iraqis who just STFU and let insurgents shoot from their backyards, refusing to snitch them out to the USA.
You see an illegal, you kick his ass... you hold him down, and you call the police and say he tried to rob you. Period. WTF is this "oh, i'm so upset about them, i'll complain on a message board".
Geez.
LMAO says the man who broke the law and got detained for 15 mins b/c he fit the discription of a person how had kindapped a kid who also fit the discription of your son...
you wouldnt do shit!!! ::)
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under 240's captured illegal policy, this rapist would have suffered 4 leg breaks before attempting this rape.
Let's just say his victim would have had a distinct speed advantage ;)
How would you know he was an illegal alien?
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sorry to vent. but seriously.
i lived in a shitty trailer park for over a year. when we moved in, there were junkies, homeless, vagrants who lived in efficiecies by the week, sex offenders, and of course, illegals.
I didn't get on message boards and vent. I sat down with the decent old folks in the park and we determined who the problems were. We applied pressure on mgmt not to renew their leases. When there were suspicious cars, 6 or 8 of us would come out of our trailers at the same time and stand around 5 feet from their car (visibly armed) write down their info, give them shitty looks, etc. If they were up to no good, they left. When bums would walk thru at night, we'd approach them as miilitantly as possible and ask them if they needed directions. The look on our faces and the shotgun rack they heard but never saw meant they didn't come back.
I guess I just don't understand the mindset of being pissed about illegals and not doing anything about it. Scumbags (legal or otherwise) weren't welcome in our trailer park. We made them uncomfortable, scared, whatever, and they took their fun elsewhere.
I'm not saying be violent or break the law. I'm saying you bench in your screen room, you check your mail with your glock clearly visible, you approach strangers and ask them what their business is in this location. They give you guff, you call 911 and report public nuisance, pot smell, suspicious vehicle, whatever. You chase them out.
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Lol how do you tell who is illegal? So you're ok with civilians doing this but not police who have to abide by strict conduct policy and who can easily be held accountable? Lmao idiot
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Like I said, I didn't look for illegals - I looked for scumbags.
We chased them out. Every person in america has a responsibility to chase dirtballs off their block.
Seriously, yall call me a lib pussy, but when I see a car on my street I don't know, I strap up, photograph their plate, and I knock on their window and ask them if they need a little help. If I saw scumbags on my street today, I immediately engage them. The law is on my side. They pull a weapon, I center punch both bastards and call 911. They don't leave, I call 911 and report something juicy. The presence of police means they'll take the drama elsewhere.
I dont get it. I live in a nice neighborhood now, and I'm as vigilant as ever. You dont' belong, I get as much info as I can and do everything I can to make you leave. Why do yall put up with lines of scumbags on your streets like that?
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photograph their plate,
thats not my deceased grandmother :D
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Lol how do you tell who is illegal? So you're ok with civilians doing this but not police who have to abide by strict conduct policy and who can easily be held accountable? Lmao idiot
I don't get it. He says he looks for scumbags, but who is a scumbag? What right does 240 have to dictate that a way a person looks means he or she is a scumbag? First scumbags, then old white men with goatees.
Strange though how 240 thinks it's A-OK for him to approach a strange vehicle while being visible armed (intimidation anyone?) and question the occupants, but he spends a few minutes in handcuffs at the hands of a police officer and it's the end of the world and his rights are being violated, LMAO. What about the rights of the occupants of the car? Who is 240 to dictate whether or not they are up to no good?
hahhahahaa Sounds like 240 supports vigilanteism but not structured laws.
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anyone who is on my street who doesn't belong there has the potential to be a scumbag.
Yes, if my gun is concealed but a bulge is visible, and I'm walking like a militant a-hole, it's rude but it's legal.
If you dont live there, you shouldn't be parked there. If you are just loitering, then let's get your info so if shit happens, we know where to look.
I never break the law. I get information, show the potential for force, and let the intruders know this is a place where you will have some resistance should you try shit.
No sheep here. You want prey, you go elsewhere. I'm not pointing my gun at ppl. If they need direcitons to sunday school, I'll happily smile and help them out. If they're looking to buy pot, I invite them to GTFO of my block, I call 911, I get plate numbers and cell pics of occupants.
My goal is to follow the law and make those who have no business here, feel uncomfortable. Dont yall agree with that? Police your own streets? The police sure ain't gonna do it lol...
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Police your own streets? The police sure ain't gonna do it lol...
When they did, you've done nothing but whine and complain about how your rights were violated. WTF? ::)
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240's rights were not violated.
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Like I said, I didn't look for illegals - I looked for scumbags.
We chased them out. Every person in america has a responsibility to chase dirtballs off their block.
Seriously, yall call me a lib pussy, but when I see a car on my street I don't know, I strap up, photograph their plate, and I knock on their window and ask them if they need a little help. If I saw scumbags on my street today, I immediately engage them. The law is on my side. They pull a weapon, I center punch both bastards and call 911. They don't leave, I call 911 and report something juicy. The presence of police means they'll take the drama elsewhere.
I dont get it. I live in a nice neighborhood now, and I'm as vigilant as ever. You dont' belong, I get as much info as I can and do everything I can to make you leave. Why do yall put up with lines of scumbags on your streets like that?
I see I see, so youre ok with profiling yourself but youre not ok with the potential that police may do it?
how do you know who the scumbags are 240?
you really are a dumb ass truly I thought it was just an act but now I know you really are a dumb ass
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hey, you dont have to defend your street like I do.
And whattya know... tony's TX and 33'6 NYC are packed with illegals grabbing their dicks in traffic... while I don't see a single one on my streets.
And when I did, I ran the scumbags off. You know a scumbag when you see one - somebody who doens't live there, who has no business being there.
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hey, you dont have to defend your street like I do.
And whattya know... tony's TX and 33'6 NYC are packed with illegals grabbing their dicks in traffic... while I don't see a single one on my streets.
And when I did, I ran the scumbags off. You know a scumbag when you see one - somebody who doens't live there, who has no business being there.
LOL florida doesnt have any illegals? ::) ;D
so again its ok for you to profile?
please describe to me a scumbags physical give aways?
youre ok with private citizens harrasing illegals but youre not ok with giving law enforcement the option to check into their status when they are investigating a crime?
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FL doesn't have dirtbags on my streets. I chase them out. as you should.
I dont mean breaking the law harassing anyone. I just mean getting all the info you can and letting anyone who doesn't live there or who is breaking the law know that you are on their shit and you wont hesitate to secure info, call police, and if they want to get physical, you can go there too.
A scumbag is a person who doesn't live there, who is there anyway. Or, who is using drugs, loitering, or prowling. Simple enough.
It's not profilng. I'll approach an old lady if she's parked on my street and doesn't live there. I'll call the police on jehovah's witnesses if they're harassing ppl. Scumbag = you dont live here or you are breaking law.
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FL doesn't have dirtbags on my streets. I chase them out. as you should.
I dont mean breaking the law harassing anyone. I just mean getting all the info you can and letting anyone who doesn't live there or who is breaking the law know that you are on their shit and you wont hesitate to secure info, call police, and if they want to get physical, you can go there too.
A scumbag is a person who doesn't live there, who is there anyway. Or, who is using drugs, loitering, or prowling. Simple enough.
It's not profilng. I'll approach an old lady if she's parked on my street and doesn't live there. I'll call the police on jehovah's witnesses if they're harassing ppl. Scumbag = you dont live here or you are breaking law.
ok well since you seem to think you can spot the scum bags easy enough what makes you think that cops wont be able to spot illegals as easy as you spot scum bags?
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Ha ha ha. 240 sounds like a cool ass neighbor I wish I had.
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no, because I don't cause these d-bags to lose any of their rights.
I simply approach, ask them (they have the ability to ignore me or tell me to piss off).
I don't detain, I don't check ID, I don't violate any of their rights. I simply snap a picture of their license plate then another of their face when I arrive at their car. I ask them if they need help. At that point, if there's any crime on my street in the next 6 months, they know there's some prick with their plate and face.
If EVERYONE in america was so vigilant at protecting their street from simple crime, our country would be a much safer place.
yes 333386, if I lived on your block, we'd make the riffraff intruders uncomfortable so they would leave. I'm sure I'm considered the nosy busybody on the block - but bad guys would rather just hit another street where their face isn't on file lol.... with home invasions in south FL as high as they are... it's good to do this. Assuming the bad guys are casing a home - they're not going to want to come to a street where they're already on record. They know this.
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Dude you sound like a stalker. :-\ Taking pictures of license plates?
Reminds me of a guy on a neighbor island who was taking pictures of neighbors that he thought kept breaking condominium association rules. He was taking pictures from his condo, at night, and in the bushes. They nicknamed him "Bush Bob." :)
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yes, if there is a car on my block that doesn't belong, I check them out.
I can write down a plate, but it's easier to snap a pic.
You have your way of keeping the neighborhood safe (hope for the best). I'll be a little more vigilant.
I dont care about neighborhood association rules. I care about home invaders and car thieves.
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yes, if there is a car on my block that doesn't belong, I check them out.
I can write down a plate, but it's easier to snap a pic.
You have your way of keeping the neighborhood safe (hope for the best). I'll be a little more vigilant.
I dont care about neighborhood association rules. I care about home invaders and car thieves.
it's funny that a busy body like Nancy would criticize you for this
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yes, if there is a car on my block that doesn't belong, I check them out.
I can write down a plate, but it's easier to snap a pic.
You have your way of keeping the neighborhood safe (hope for the best). I'll be a little more vigilant.
I dont care about neighborhood association rules. I care about home invaders and car thieves.
How do you know when a car doesn't belong on your block?
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I have a friend who's in the process of immigrating legally and he hates the AZ law too. There's a lot of paperwork, questioning, appointments, etc., that he has to go through on a regular basis. Seeing all these Mexicans looking for a free ride just pisses him off to no end. I'm starting to really favor using the National Guard to patrol the border. It's getting old now.
With a name like the National Guard, you'd think that would be a very appropriate use for them, ...unfortunately, it's not very practical. There aren't that many left after Bush got done sending many to their deaths in Iraq.
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LMAO I like how you didnt address my point... ::)
seeing as you against being able to check the status of a suspected illegal how would you go about telling whos legs to break and whos not to?
I don't want to get into any sort of debate with you because I find you to be a major pain in the ass who consistently misses the point of posts. I just want to clarify a concept for your little pea brain. Just because someone is opposed to the Arizona law, does not mean one is in support of illegal immigration. the law as written, while a supposedly noble attempt to rectify the failure of the federal government, is badly written and should be repealed... in favour of something more sound, and more constitutional. A bad law is a bad law, regardless of how noble it's intentions. Do you think your little pea brain can grasp that concept?
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To get legal I had to go through this:
Six (6) H1-B Visas (They expire after 3 years and you can have only 6 years total. After that you can renew them in 1 year increments IF you are also being sponsored for a Green Card)
Three (3) Green Card Sponsorship (Family and Employee Based).
Once I got the Green Card I had to remove the 2 year conditional status on it. I went for a shitload of biometrics.
All you need in AZ is the Green Card or Visa documentation to prove your status. What's the big deal? How is that different from showing your drivers license and registration when you are pulled over?
How many American born have a Green Card or Visa documentation?
How many American born usually even know what a Green Card is?
Then there was that truck driver born in Fresno who showed his commercial driver's license issued by the state of Cali, but still got thrown in jail for not having his birth certificate on him despite showing 2 other pieces of id.
If you've ever tried to get rid of dandelions from your lawn, you know you can't do it by popping off the yellow head. They'll just spring right back up. You can do it by spraying your lawn with round up, but in addition to the dandelions, you'll kill your lawn and just about everything in the area, and poison the waters. The only way to effectively get rid of the dandelions without killing the rest of the lawn or foliage, is to excise them from the roots. It is from the roots that dandelions or anything else grows.
Quadzilla, I understand your anger at illegal immigrants, especially since you had to jump through so many hoops, but what is required in Arizona and throughout the USA is comprehensive immigration reform with good legislation. Not a patchwork collective of bad laws that most likely result in an increased emotional and financial burden for the legal taxpaying citizens like yourself and the additional liabilities for law enforcement officers. Fight illegal immigration to your hearts content, ...but do with smart, well crafted and effective legislation that excises the problems by the roots of the issue.
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I don't want to get into any sort of debate with you because I find you to be a major pain in the ass who consistently misses the point of posts. I just want to clarify a concept for your little pea brain. Just because someone is opposed to the Arizona law, does not mean one is in support of illegal immigration. the law as written, while a supposedly noble attempt to rectify the failure of the federal government, is badly written and should be repealed... in favour of something more sound, and more constitutional. A bad law is a bad law, regardless of how noble it's intentions. Do you think your little pea brain can grasp that concept?
LMAO look here you little priss just b/c you dont have someone in real life to put you back in your place doesnt mean that I wont happily do it with a smile.
Where did I say 240 was for illegal immigration? he sits there saying he is against the law THEN says that if he saw an illegal he would shoot piss on them...all the while never answering how he would KNOW who is illegal or not...Do you think the common law that this legislation was fashioned after is unconstitutional?
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'How do you know when a car doesn't belong on your block? "
if I have never seen it before, there is a chance the person is there for not so good reasons.
If they're stopped, they're looking for an address maybe, etc. But to pull down this back area is out of the way for most. I know when a car hasn't been there before. If they go to a driveway, cool, go see your friends, whatever.
If they're parked at the end of the block, you bet I'mma go check it out. Because an annoying busybody like myself is going to be that one deterrant from robbing a house.
Or, if they're there for legit reasons, I am happy to help them find the street they're looking for, etc.
I guess I don't understand anyone who would just look at a suspicious car on their block they don't recognize, parked with people in it, doing nothing but looking around... and just ignore it. Go talk to them. Get information. Determine if you can help, or if you can deter them from bringing drama to your block. it's called being vigilant - it could be a dirtbag house robber, it could be al quida for all you know. If every american were to watch and protect his block in this matter, crime and terrorism would plummet.
Instead, they're all content to just put their head down and hope whoever's in that car doesn't mess with them. Silly. It's your street. Protect it.
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LMAO look here you little priss just b/c you dont have someone in real life to put you back in your place doesnt mean that I wont happily do it with a smile.
Where did I say 240 was for illegal immigration? he sits there saying he is against the law THEN says that if he saw an illegal he would shoot piss on them...all the while never answering how he would KNOW who is illegal or not...Do you think the common law that this legislation was fashioned after is unconstitutional?
I'm not stating 240's position on the matter or anyone else's, only my own. 240 can speak for himself.
Speaking of which, 240, while I think your methods for running out scumbags are pretty controversial albeit effective, I don't think everyone is as level headed as you are, or as well armed. I don't know that I'd want to see the less intelligent more well armed either.
i can see your method being a practical & effective one for a close knit trailer park, but highly impractical in a suburban much less urban environment. I can also see it being rather risky for the person running the stranger off.
240 with your conceal carry permit and your glock close to you at all times... what would you do if you saw an armed man coming at you all military style? You may have the calmness & presence of mind to sit tight and not let the situation escalate, ...but how many people would remain calm in such a situation? Especially if it is an area known to have a lot of problems. How many wouldn't simply panic and pull their own piece and blast a hole in the would be vigilante? ...especially if they came to the area armed in order to be prepared for trouble. we often find what we look for you know?
I like the idea of 7 or 8 neighbours all simultaneously coming out of their trailers at the same time, and I like the idea of visually snapping a pic of the license plate... not so fond of the idea of snapping a pic of the face... but maybe that's just my natural aversion to papparrazzi, but I can see where you're going with this... just don't think it's very practical in most situations.
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I'm not stating 240's position on the matter or anyone else's, only my own. 240 can speak for himself.
well you quoted my post meant for 240
at any rate please show me where I said A person who is against the AZ law is for illegal immigration, either that or appologize for accusing me of such... ;) princess
ohhh and I agree 240 youre lucky you havent gotten shot or youre ass kicked yet
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Well, it's different in every situation. I'm not running at their truck with a rifle LOL...
But you know the situation when you're in it. What you do it different every time. When there were people buying drugs or snooping in screen rooms, I was more militant than I am when there is a family parked scratching their heads looking at the GPS unit.
And yes, in the city this may not fly as well... Although even when I lived in an apartment I would sit on the porch with a guitar and chat with everyone who came thru. Just see who is doing what. Let them know if they are there to stab their GF or buy blow, someone did see them...
So I'm not encouraging Beach Bum to jog outside in flipflops and start shit with people. I'm just saying everyone should hold a more personal stake in their own neighborhood watch. If you see someone who isn't familiar, get more information, let them see you doing so, and they may just go somewhere else where eyes are not on them. Common sense should prevail.
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Well, it's different in every situation. I'm not running at their truck with a rifle LOL...
But you know the situation when you're in it. What you do it different every time. When there were people buying drugs or snooping in screen rooms, I was more militant than I am when there is a family parked scratching their heads looking at the GPS unit.
And yes, in the city this may not fly as well... Although even when I lived in an apartment I would sit on the porch with a guitar and chat with everyone who came thru. Just see who is doing what. Let them know if they are there to stab their GF or buy blow, someone did see them...
So I'm not encouraging Beach Bum to jog outside in flipflops and start shit with people. I'm just saying everyone should hold a more personal stake in their own neighborhood watch. If you see someone who isn't familiar, get more information, let them see you doing so, and they may just go somewhere else where eyes are not on them. Common sense should prevail.
At what point do you think the police should be involved?
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If I believe they are there to commit a crime, then I wouldn't mind seeing a police car cruise thru and maybe chase them off.
Police may quietly run plates, see if there are any warrants, etc.
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LOL bro you come up to my truck taking pictures of it and myself and there are going to be words plain and simple...
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Words? Words are fine. "Hey bro, you look lost... need help?"
I could give you directions, Tony. maybe you're looking for the tea party rally and I am attending, myself. Maybe you are looking for a lost dog, and I recently saw him.
it's very rare that you see a completely suspicious vehicle, parked inexplicably, occupants scoping our homes. When this happens, yes, I get info on them because if my home gets robbed 2 days later, it'd be nice to have a suspect.
Tony, what would you do, if you saw a suspicious vehicle parked in front of your house. Two dudes inside, eyeballing your house. Do you ignore them? hide under your bed? masturbate to take off the edge?
nah, you go outside, check your mail with a smile, and ask them "How's it going, what can I help you gentlemen with this evening?"
They might be selling vacuum cleaners. Or they might be thinking about stealing your truck. You willl notice they aren't in possession of a vacuum nor reason for being there, at which point you perhaps adjust your posture to reveal a bulge your hand now sits upon. It ain't rocket science. It's 2 animals sizing each other up. You ain't prey, and the dude in the car now knows it.
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Words? Words are fine. "Hey bro, you look lost... need help?"
I could give you directions, Tony. maybe you're looking for the tea party rally and I am attending, myself. Maybe you are looking for a lost dog, and I recently saw him.
it's very rare that you see a completely suspicious vehicle, parked inexplicably, occupants scoping our homes. When this happens, yes, I get info on them because if my home gets robbed 2 days later, it'd be nice to have a suspect.
Tony, what would you do, if you saw a suspicious vehicle parked in front of your house. Two dudes inside, eyeballing your house. Do you ignore them? hide under your bed? masturbate to take off the edge?
nah, you go outside, check your mail with a smile, and ask them "How's it going, what can I help you gentlemen with this evening?"
They might be selling vacuum cleaners. Or they might be thinking about stealing your truck. You willl notice they aren't in possession of a vacuum nor reason for being there, at which point you perhaps adjust your posture to reveal a bulge your hand now sits upon. It ain't rocket science. It's 2 animals sizing each other up. You ain't prey, and the dude in the car now knows it.
LOL dude youre talking about going around snapping pictures of cars and ppl when you talk to them...if im innocently sitting on a street and you start snapping picture of my truck and myself while trying to talk to me you bet im getting out and guess what if im carrying its coming with me too and Im going to find out real quick what the shit is going on and why the hell youre taking picture of my truck and me...
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you didn't answer how you would handle the situation man.
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you didn't answer how you would handle the situation man.
if they are parked outside my house Ill go outside and once they notice me Id ask if they need some help...no cameras, no flashes, just me...
if they were outside a neighbors Id probably just watch them for a little bit to make sure they werent up to no good...
again you come over to me snapping pictures with a gun showing youre gonna get an equal response back Im gonna let you know im carrying as well after I got out of my truck so I could talk to you ...
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in that case, i will smile at you, tell you I admire the glock you too are carrying, and ask you why you're parked in front of my house.
I'm not saying flashing camera. I'm saying it's in your hand subtly snapping. You can be discreet as long as possible, but at some point it may become an asset to let them know you are snapping.
You can smile and say "Oh dude, I love that truck, what year is that? I've been researching the F150 (or whatever model). I gotta get a pic of those awesome tires".
Or, if you need it, you can say "well, I got your pic and I got your plate. take the drama elsewhere, and have a nice day."
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well you quoted my post meant for 240
at any rate please show me where I said A person who is against the AZ law is for illegal immigration, either that or appologize for accusing me of such... ;) princess
ohhh and I agree 240 youre lucky you havent gotten shot or youre ass kicked yet
Yes I quoted your post in response to 240, because in your wording of your post to 240, it was clear to me that it is possible that many ignoramusses perceive those against the Arizona law as being in favour of illegal immigration. I haven't accused you of anything except providing clues into the mental machinations of the extremely dimwitted.
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Yes I quoted your post in response to 240, because in your wording of your post to 240, it was clear to me that it is possible that many ignoramusses perceive those against the Arizona law as being in favour of illegal immigration. I haven't accused you of anything except providing clues into the mental machinations of the extremely dimwitted.
hahaha your post was directed straight to me there princess so again I ask you to show me where I said that or implied it... ::)
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Well, it's different in every situation. I'm not running at their truck with a rifle LOL...
But you know the situation when you're in it. What you do it different every time. When there were people buying drugs or snooping in screen rooms, I was more militant than I am when there is a family parked scratching their heads looking at the GPS unit.
And yes, in the city this may not fly as well... Although even when I lived in an apartment I would sit on the porch with a guitar and chat with everyone who came thru. Just see who is doing what. Let them know if they are there to stab their GF or buy blow, someone did see them...
So I'm not encouraging Beach Bum to jog outside in flipflops and start shit with people. I'm just saying everyone should hold a more personal stake in their own neighborhood watch. If you see someone who isn't familiar, get more information, let them see you doing so, and they may just go somewhere else where eyes are not on them. Common sense should prevail.
Absolutely. I definitely agree with that. the problem is common sense is not so common. lol.
I could see a guy like you being able to do this effectively because you're intelligent and have common sense, but I don't hold out much faith or confidence in most people being able to adopt this approach.
Holy Cow... did I just call 240 level headed & intelligent? Good grief how times have changed! ;D
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hahaha your post was directed straight to me there princess so again I ask you to show me where I said that or implied it... ::)
FFS get a clue!!! Right there in my post I started off by saying I was not speaking for 240 or anyone else.
I never said you said it or even implied it. I just said you provide clues into the mindset of the dimwitted.
While reading your post, it occurred to me that the dimwitted perceive those against the Arizona law as being in favour of illegal immigration. I was pointing out that that was not necessarily the case.
Now if you're going to address me again, improve your comprehension skills before you do. >:(
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adjust your posture to reveal a bulge your hand now sits upon. It ain't rocket science.
No it's intimidation, why is it OK for you to approach people and question their intentions in a public place, but officer Bob stops you for a few minutes for a legitimate reason and you have a fit about it? Why do you think you should be able to fight crime your vigilante style but the people that are trained in LE and getting paid to do it and they are violating peoples rights?
You don't think taking pictures of people and their license plates is violating their right to privacy? How do they know what your intentions are? Why is it OK for you to violate their privacy but not a police officer?
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No it's intimidation, why is it OK for you to approach people and question their intentions in a public place, but officer Bob stops you for a few minutes for a legitimate reason and you have a fit about it? Why do you think you should be able to fight crime your vigilante style but the people that are trained in LE and getting paid to do it and they are violating peoples rights?
You don't think taking pictures of people and their license plates is violating their right to privacy? How do they know what your intentions are? Why is it OK for you to violate their privacy but not a police officer?
You're totally right. it is intimidation, that's why it takes a real level head, common sense and the ability to diffuse tension to achieve the desired result.
I think the difference is authority. police have the authority to lock you up, and shoot your ass, if you resist them in any way, and are often given the benefit of the doubt, ...whereas an individual has the right to defend themselves against someone approaching them.
A cop has the power of law behind them and as such that legislation had better be crafted on a solid foundation.
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FFS get a clue!!! Right there in my post I started off by saying I was not speaking for 240 or anyone else.
I never said you said it or even implied it. I just said you provide clues into the mindset of the dimwitted.
While reading your post, it occurred to me that the dimwitted perceive those against the Arizona law as being in favour of illegal immigration. I was pointing out that that was not necessarily the case.
Now if you're going to address me again, improve your comprehension skills before you do. >:(
and again I ask what clues did I give?
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You're totally right. it is intimidation, that's why it takes a real level head, common sense and the ability to diffuse tension to achieve the desired result.
I think the difference is authority. police have the authority to lock you up, and shoot your ass, if you resist them in any way, and are often given the benefit of the doubt, ...whereas an individual has the right to defend themselves against someone approaching them.
A cop has the power of law behind them and as such that legislation had better be crafted on a solid foundation.
240 is talking about being the one doing the approaching, what gives him the right to approach people while being armed just because they are in his neighborhood? And why does he feel he has the right to do that and it doesn't violate the other persons rights, but if a cop does it, it somehow violates someones rights? WTF?
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240 that's just pure paranoia. You're asking for trouble. Tony is right: you're going to eventually get your butt kicked or get shot.
I understand protecting your neighborhood, but taking pictures of a car and approaching that car with a loaded weapon is not very smart IMO. That's really not what "neighborhood watch" is all about.
My neighbors have people over all the time. We have people over all the time. I think most neighborhoods are pretty much the same: people socialize. Perhaps you live in a community where neighbors are all isolationists with no visitors, but I doubt that's the norm.
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if they are parked outside my house Ill go outside and once they notice me Id ask if they need some help...no cameras, no flashes, just me...
if they were outside a neighbors Id probably just watch them for a little bit to make sure they werent up to no good...
again you come over to me snapping pictures with a gun showing youre gonna get an equal response back Im gonna let you know im carrying as well after I got out of my truck so I could talk to you ...
This post is NOT addressed to that fvckwad Tonytwinkletoes, just commenting on something he said.
This is exactly what happened to me. 14 years ago, about 4 months after I moved into this house, an individual moved in two doors away, that prompted all the neighbours to feel the need to take action. infact, many people drove in from all over the city, some from distant cities in order to demonstrate peaceful protest action against it. Unfortunately, not all of the demonstrators were the peaceful law abiding types. Some felt the need to vandalize in order to voice their contempt, so we all became extra vigilant, both against what the demonstrators were protesting, as well as possible vandals.
One day I heard a car pull up into my driveway. I'd seen the car before a few times on my driveway, but it was always pulling away. I didn't know the guy and didn't know what he was up to. I watched him for a bit sitting there, then I went out and approached him while channeling the personification of an ex-boyfriend... a real mafioso type... all hardcore badass, baseball bat in hand. lol. I came right up on him peppering him with questions all rapid fire and demanding instant answers. He knew he had better answer every single one of those questions to my satisfaction without hesitation or he would be eating that bat real fast. You should have seen the poor guy's eyes... they were like friggin' saucers. He stammered out that he was waiting for his girlfriend, who lived next door and that he always found it easier to pull into my driveway because they had 5 cars and there was never any room... He stammered and stuttered the whole time in a voice that was pleading 'please don't bash my brains in' lol. At that moment, his girlfriend came out of the house next door and jumped into his passenger seat totally oblivious to what was going on. I simply said "OK no problem", and lowered the bat. He breathed a huge sigh of relief and burned rubber. He couldn't get out of my driveway quickly enough. lol. Despite my approval, ...he NEVER EVER pulled into my driveway EVER AGAIN. I'd seen him many times since then when he came to pick her up, was even friendly saying hi and everything, but he kind of shyed away from me. He would pull into her driveway if there was room, and if there wasn't, he waited for her on the street, on the other side, near the other neighbours house. LOL. Whenever I said hi to him, he'd turn bright red as if recalling a traumatic or embarrasing memory. Gee I wonder what it could have been? and when they got married... I didn't even get an invite to the wedding. :D
I think it's funny, ...especially since the guy was bigger than me. but I took him by surprise and discombobulated his brains which gave me the distinct advantage and caused him to behave in a subservient way.
It was also pretty stupid of me. That was hardly the most common sensical approach and only worked because he wasn't up to no good. Had he been up to no good, he might have regained his senses enough to react in a away that could have resulted in a very painful & expensive confrontation for him, and a very inconvenient one for me. I should have just taken his plates, and called the cops and let them investigate it. A few months later, that's exactly what I did when I saw a guy sitting in a car for hours on end. He was watching a house, but i couldn't tell which house he was watching, but i knew mine was in his sight. I figured he was either an undercover doing surveillance, or he was up to no good. I took his plates and called the cops. He turned out to be an undercover cop doing surveillance as follow up to the aforementioned incident.
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This is exactly what happened to me. 14 years ago, about 4 months after I moved into this house, an individual moved in two doors away, that prompted all the neighbours to feel the need to take action. infact, many people drove in from all over the city, some from distant cities in order to demonstrate peaceful protest action against it. Unfortunately, not all of the demonstrators were the peaceful law abiding types. Some felt the need to vandalize in order to voice their contempt, so we all became extra vigilant, both against what the demonstrators were protesting, as well as possible vandals.
So what was this about? A sex offender? And how did things proceed?
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240 is talking about being the one doing the approaching, what gives him the right to approach people while being armed just because they are in his neighborhood? And why does he feel he has the right to do that and it doesn't violate the other persons rights, but if a cop does it, it somehow violates someones rights? WTF?
I understand that, however, as an individual, you have the right to approach anyone on the street and ask them questions? Whether they are obligated to answer you is another thing? I can walk up to someone and ask them if they have the time? If they tell me to F-Off... that's their right. I also think it depends on what is said? If you walk up and ask them what they're doing in the neighbourhood and expect answers... well...quite frankly it's none of your business. If you engage them in small talk, I think most people will figure out you're a concerned citizen and will want to alleviate your concerns. if not... you're SOL and certainly not entitled to take any action against them. most people know this, understand this, and will govern themselves accordingly. Most cops on the other hand however don't react too favourably on people who stand on their constitutional rights. Tell a cops to go fvck himself or that what s/he wants to know is none of their f-ing business, and you'll likely find yourself in custody. The difference here is authority and power. The police abuse their authority with the power of the badge & gun behind them to act inappropriately, whereas people have no such authority to overstep their bounds.
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I understand that, however, as an individual, you have the right to approach anyone on the street and ask them questions? Whether they are obligated to answer you is another thing? I can walk up to someone and ask them if they have the time? If they tell me to F-Off... that's their right. I also think it depends on what is said? If you walk up and ask them what they're doing in the neighbourhood and expect answers... well...quite frankly it's none of your business. If you engage them in small talk, I think most people will figure out you're a concerned citizen and will want to alleviate your concerns. if not... you're SOL and certainly not entitled to take any action against them. most people know this, understand this, and will govern themselves accordingly. Most cops on the other hand however don't react too favourably on people who stand on their constitutional rights. Tell a cops to go fvck himself or that what s/he wants to know is none of their f-ing business, and you'll likely find yourself in custody. The difference here is authority and power. The police abuse their authority with the power of the badge & gun behind them to act inappropriately, whereas people have no such authority to overstep their bounds.
Well if 240 approaches your car taking pictures of your license plate and face all the while questioning you and having his hand on his gun........wouldn't you feel a bit intimidated and threatened? Tell 240 to go "F" himself and you don't know what his reaction will be, tell the police that and like you said, you already know what you're in for.
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Like I said, i approach with a smile. 99% of the time, it's nothing.
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So what was this about? A sex offender? And how did things proceed?
BINGO!!! You are a perceptive one. :D
A woman rented out the basement of a house. She applied as a single mother with a 14 yr old daughter. Two months after she moved in, her husband... a convicted paedophile finished his time and moved in. The police had no power to do anything. He did his time, and he was now a free man. All they could do was send a letter to the area schools informing them that a paedophile had moved into the area. Neighbours found out who it was and wanted him gone. There were peaceful protests held every day outside the house from sun-up to sun down. They stood on the public greenway with picket signs in hand "You are not welcome", "Paedophile lives at this house" etc etc. Every single day!!! Finally the pressure got too much and they moved.
There were some hooligans who felt they had the right to throw stones at the house & vehicles, break windows etc., and it was a challenge getting the message across that the neither the paedophile nor owner of the house should be vandalized. Even the owner wanted him gone as well. He even would occasionally serve lemonade to a few of the protestors on hot days. Eventually the guy left, and the protests & demonstrations ended. Shortly thereafter, his wife & daughter moved out as well to a place where they could live as a family.
It actually turned out to be a good thing for me at the time. As a result of what was going on so close to me, I ended up landing a brief stint on a Canadian soap-opera that coincidentally was telling this exact same story line about a convicted pedophile moving into a neighbourhood, and neighbours organizing to run him out. I didn't even have to audition for it, they just told me they thought I was perfect for the part and cast me. The casting directors felt I had the ability to portray the conflicted feelings involved. As soon as I discovered the storyline, I realized they were right. lol. I was extremely conflicted over the whole thing. On the one hand, I don't like the idea that in a supposedly free society, people feel they have the right to run out neighbours they don't like. On the other hand the recidivism rate among paedophiles isn't good, and this guy's criminal record wasn't just confined to statutory rape. I was very glad when the whole thing was over.
As soon as I found out he was there, as I walked through the neighbourhood, whenever I went by a house that showed signs of children ie: tricycles in the driveway, chalk hopskotch boards on driveways, kiddie playpens in the backyard, children out front etc., I would knock on the doors and introduce myself and inform the adults about the paedophile in the area. I ended up meeting sooo many neighbours inadvertently as a result.
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Well if 240 approaches your car taking pictures of your license plate and face all the while questioning you and having his hand on his gun........wouldn't you feel a bit intimidated and threatened? Tell 240 to go "F" himself and you don't know what his reaction will be, tell the police that and like you said, you already know what you're in for.
I don't know how I would react. I have had a hardened convicted murderer pull a gun on me, letting me know that I had better check out. It was a complete attempt to threaten & intimidate me, and I knew without a doubt and in no uncertain terms that I had better check out otherwise I would have had a bullet between my eyes, and my body dumped in a canyon. my reaction... I just laughed. Not sure if it was a nervous laugh, or a confident laugh, but i did laugh when I saw the gun.
Lucky for me... I checked out just fine.... with flying colours infact.
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There were some hooligans who felt they had the right to throw stones at the house & vehicles, break windows etc., and it was a challenge getting the message across that the neither the paedophile nor owner of the house should be vandalized.
Glad things worked out for everyone. Knowing how controversial the next statement is going be: what happened to the vandals? Did the police get them? Or did the neighbors simply tell them that what they're doing is not legal and didn't try to stop them? Peaceful protest is one thing, vandalism and illegal behavior is another.
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jagalicious youre lucky with the guy you ran up on with a baseball bat didnt beat your ass, like many ppl that think they are bad asses or that bad shit wont ever happen to them but trust there are many ppl that are more than willing to put ppl like that back in their place....If I was innocently parking in someones drive way and they ran up on me with a baseball bat you best believe they would be eating that shit if they threatened me with it...there is absolutely no reason to come at someone like you or your hero 240 does...
just stroll up to someone and shoot the shit is all thats needed you can make it more than apparent that they arent wanted without a bat or gun or taking pictures of their car or them... ::)
you ppl are acting up to get your asses handed to you without a doubt ::)
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Like I said, i approach with a smile. 99% of the time, it's nothing.
LOL with one hand on a gun and a camera in the other... ::)
LMAO youre gonna get the shit kicked out of you sooner or later hoss...
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Glad things worked out for everyone. Knowing how controversial the next statement is going be: what happened to the vandals? Did the police get them? Or did the neighbors simply tell them that what they're doing is not legal and didn't try to stop them? Peaceful protest is one thing, vandalism and illegal behavior is another.
There were no witnesses to the vandalism, because it occurred outside of the protests after everyone had gone for the evening, but during the protests, anyone that even attempted to step foot on the property was reprimanded, and told NOT to do so... even though the owner didn't mind people on his property or his driveway. He knew most of the protesters cause they'd been his neighbour for years. The pedo rented the basement, and had no say over the outside property in general. Just the same it was made clear no damage was to be done, just a presence maintained on the public greenspace or public sidewalks. The main guy who was organizing the protests is also a cub scout leader for the area who I first met after spotting tricycles on his driveway. I went up to introduce myself and let him know about the pedo, and he already knew and was in the process of organizing against it. He didn't want this guy to have any excuse whatsoever to call police or get an injunction against the protests. It was done all legal, by the book, and couldn't be stopped. They kept the pressure on til the guy moved.
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jagalicious youre lucky with the guy you ran up on with a baseball bat didnt beat your ass, like many ppl that think they are bad asses or that bad shit wont ever happen to them but trust there are many ppl that are more than willing to put ppl like that back in their place....If I was innocently parking in someones drive way and they ran up on me with a baseball bat you best believe they would be eating that shit if they threatened me with it...there is absolutely no reason to come at someone like you or your hero 240 does...
first of all 240 isn't my hero
secondly, given all the shit that was going down at the time, I had every right to approach someone on my property with a baseball bat.
thirdly, I didn't swing it a t him or verbalize a threat, I made no reference to the bat at all.
fourthly, because of the angle from which I approached, he didn't stand a chance if I decided to open up on him and he knew it. I was on my property, and if he felt threatened, his recourse was to start his engine and leave. there is no way he would have gotten the jump on me. I would have cleaaned his clock and no judge in the land would convict me of beating the shit out of a trespasser on my own property.
just stroll up to someone and shoot the shit is all thats needed you can make it more than apparent that they arent wanted without a bat or gun or taking pictures of their car or them... ::)
you ppl are acting up to get your asses handed to you without a doubt ::)
All depends on the situation. Every situation is different, and I needed to size him up fast.
This was not some random guy 'parked in the neighbourhood'... this was someone 'parked in MY driveway someone who had come onto MY property at least 3x's previously that I know of. I demanded to know who the fvck they were, and why they were repeatedly trespassing onto my property. I wanted answers and I wanted them right then and there and I chose the method I did to size him up in the process. It was an extremely effective method that has served me quite well in the past, and I'm sure will serve me well in the future. I'm not talking about the baseball bat part, I'm talking about invading personal space while simultaneously discombobulating the brain. It works wonders for diffusing the energies of the other person while gaining the upper hand. it's hard to describe in chat, you'd have to see it in action to understand what I'm talking about.
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jagalicious youre lucky with the guy you ran up on with a baseball bat didnt beat your ass, like many ppl that think they are bad asses or that bad shit wont ever happen to them but trust there are many ppl that are more than willing to put ppl like that back in their place....If I was innocently parking in someones drive way and they ran up on me with a baseball bat you best believe they would be eating that shit if they threatened me with it...there is absolutely no reason to come at someone like you or your hero 240 does...
just stroll up to someone and shoot the shit is all thats needed you can make it more than apparent that they arent wanted without a bat or gun or taking pictures of their car or them... ::)
you ppl are acting up to get your asses handed to you without a doubt ::)
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first of all 240 isn't my hero
secondly, given all the shit that was going down at the time, I had every right to approach someone on my property with a baseball bat.
thirdly, I didn't swing it a t him or verbalize a threat, I made no reference to the bat at all.
fourthly, because of the angle from which I approached, he didn't stand a chance if I decided to open up on him and he knew it. I was on my property, and if he felt threatened, his recourse was to start his engine and leave. there is no way he would have gotten the jump on me. I would have cleaaned his clock and no judge in the land would convict me of beating the shit out of a trespasser on my own property.
All depends on the situation. Every situation is different, and I needed to size him up fast.
This was not some random guy 'parked in the neighbourhood'... this was someone 'parked in MY driveway someone who had come onto MY property at least 3x's previously that I know of. I demanded to know who the fvck they were, and why they were repeatedly trespassing onto my property. I wanted answers and I wanted them right then and there and I chose the method I did to size him up in the process. It was an extremely effective method that has served me quite well in the past, and I'm sure will serve me well in the future. I'm not talking about the baseball bat part, I'm talking about invading personal space while simultaneously discombobulating the brain. It works wonders for diffusing the energies of the other person while gaining the upper hand. it's hard to describe in chat, you'd have to see it in action to understand what I'm talking about.
darling by your own words youre a half pint...not that its a bad thing simply for the purposes of physical engagement though its not ideal. Ill let you hit my arm with a bat so that I can take it away from you b/c guess what? its not gonna be pretty when I get it away from you...
I understand what youre saying and I agree that youre approach can be very effective the problem is when you come up to someone who its not effective against and trust there are many ppl like that out there youve put yourself in a position that you didnt need to be in...at that point youve commited youself to a physical fight and like I said there are many ppl out there more than willing to put you back in your place and I dont mean that in a sexist way I mean that you shouldnt be physically threatening anyone place...
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LOL hey I try at all cost to avoid fights honestly I dont like to fight even though I am more than capable of laying some hurt on ppl I really dont like physical violence, but if you put me in a position where I feel threatened Im going to act rather than sit there and let others dictate how the situation plays out.
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LOL hey I try at all cost to avoid fights honestly I dont like to fight even though I am more than capable of laying some hurt on ppl I really dont like physical violence, but if you put me in a position where I feel threatened Im going to act rather than sit there and let others dictate how the situation plays out.
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darling by your own words youre a half pint...not that its a bad thing simply for the purposes of physical engagement though its not ideal. Ill let you hit my arm with a bat so that I can take it away from you b/c guess what? its not gonna be pretty when I get it away from you...
I understand what youre saying and I agree that youre approach can be very effective the problem is when you come up to someone who its not effective against and turst there are many ppl like that out there youve put yourself in a position that you didnt need to be in...at that point youve commited youself to a physical fight and like I said there are many ppl out there more than willing to put you back in your place and I dont mean that in a sexist way I mean that you shouldnt be physically threatening anyone place...
Like I said... every situation is different. The guy was seated in his vehicle and belted in. there was not much he could do that I couldn't counter. His head was a ripe exposed melon and had he made a move toward me... he wouldn't have gotten very far. like I said, I never threatened him with the bat, ...but it was very visible. if he didn't like the bat or what he felt it implied, his only logical and prudent recourse was to start his engine and get the fvck off my property. no one in their right mind would have stood their ground in that situation or attempt to remain... not when you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell. It was NOT an even playing field and I held every advantage and he knew it.
Tony, if you're standing stark naked in the shower of a home you do not own and were not invited to, and you turn around and there's a 15 yr old girl infront of you with a loaded oozie who demands to know what the fvck you're doing in her house, are you going to "teach her a lesson for threatening you with an oozie"... or are you going to explain yourself. Yours would be the stupid approach because if you made a move, and she opened fire... you'd be history before you could lay a finger on her. you might be twice her size, but that Oozie and your vulnerability in that situation tips the balance of power decidedly in her favour. Only an idiot would get all pissed off at a homeowner who approached them in that fashion while they were trespassing on their property. You might not like it, ...but only an idiot doesn't realize the homeowner doesn't know you from Adam, is only trying to protect themselves and their property and isn't willing to automatically give some stranger trespassing the benefit of the doubt without some solid satisfactory answers. You step on my property... you F-ing answer to me why you're there, and the answers better be good or you can get the F off my property and pronto! PERIOD!!!
ps: When it comes to physical confrontations, ...I don't bite off more than I can chew. ;)
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LOL darling first off its UZI...second off an UZI in the US is basically either a big pistol or a small rifle both of which is more intimidating in name than in reality seeing as its basically a 9mm and thats it...
youre assuming that the person you bull rushed knew you were the home owner when in reality for all he knew you were some crazy bitch with a bat...
I wouldnt be in someones house I didnt know, being in someones driveway is in no way comparable to being in someones shower...the fight response in some is stronger than the flight response in them its just simply a matter of time before you or 240 run into someone like that...
again going about things the way you and 240 do is commiting yourself to physical violence so dont be suprised when it happens
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To no getbigger in particular - just wide generalizations here...
The proof is in the pudding. I worked with others to clean up my neigborhood. It worked.
I get called a wussy lib shitbag, but I had the balls to kick dirbags off my block. The courageous republicans come on message boards and complain about how bad the illegals are in their hometown. I say, stat on your own block. get proactive. Don't break the law, but you massage that bitch as much as you can lol... if it may lead to words or someone pissed off at you, so be it. I'm not trying to make some stranger parked on my lawn like me. I'm trying to get him the hell outta there. having words may facilitate that. If he wants to fight, then it's his problem - being armed on my property for no reason - when the police arrive, right?
So that's my take. Call me stupid, tell me I'm not legal. I don't break the law, I follow it very closely as you all know. Did I intimidate people? Shit yet. but I lived there and they didn't, or they did and they weren't following the law.
I'm the lib shitbag who chased away criminals and illegals. You're the conservative who would have "kept an eye on it". The result is that my street is and will remain free of shitbirds. And yours will not.
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LOL darling first off its UZI...second off an UZI in the US is basically either a big pistol or a small rifle both of which is more intimidating in name than in reality seeing as its basically a 9mm and thats it...
Whatever the fvck it is, ...it's capable of blowing your nuts off!
youre assuming that the person you bull rushed knew you were the home owner when in reality for all he knew you were some crazy bitch with a bat...
He knew I was the homeowner. He saw me coming out of the house. Plus when you demand to know what someone is doing on YOUR property, ...that's a big clue to tip them off if they hadn't quite clued in as yet.
I wouldnt be in someones house I didnt know, being in someones driveway is in no way comparable to being in someones shower...the fight response in some is stronger than the flight response in them its just simply a matter of time before you or 240 run into someone like that...
I realize that. That's why I said I was glad he didn't make a move 'cause it would have been extremely painful & expensive for him while only being a mere inconvenience for me. i had the drop on him.
again going about things the way you and 240 do is commiting yourself to physical violence so dont be suprised when it happens
So you think that is my everyday MO? No, it was what I did in THAT particular situation.
YES, I WAS committing myself to physical violence if it came down to it.
That's what the baseball bat was for. I wasn't going to Yankee stadium, it was a harsh interrogation
of some strange fvcker who had no business being on my property and I was fully prepared to splatter his brains if he made a move on me.
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According to Loco, it's OK for a few American citizens to get killed. We're supposed to live with that so the illegals can "follow their dreams".
Come on BerzerkFury, when did I say that? It's not okay for any American citizen to get killed, racially profiled, or deported. I'm anti-illegal immigration and I believe Americans should stop hiring illegals.
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A rape suspect was deported 4 times? Why wasn't he put in prison?
Good thing we have Arizona's new immigrations law! Now he can be caught and deported again, so that he can come back and get deported again, and again, and again. ::)
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A rape suspect was deported 4 times? Why wasn't he put in prison?
Good thing we have Arizona's new immigrations law! Now he can be caught and deported again, so that he can come back and get deported again, and again, and again. ::)
What the hell happened to this site?
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What the hell happened to this site?
It turned purple. ;D
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I'm the lib shitbag who chased away criminals and illegals. You're the conservative who would have "kept an eye on it". The result is that my street is and will remain free of shitbirds. And yours will not.
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AGAIN how did you know they were illegals?