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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: MindSpin on May 24, 2010, 11:19:39 AM
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lol. More proof that overdeveloped muscles are useless ;D
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exactly..
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this is funny coming from you mindspin
for one thing, you enjoy having "overdeveloped" muscles just as much as anybody
you take shots at the great Fedor's physique for not looking like a bodybuilder
you say overeem will beat the great Fedor while his muscles scream drug use
::) ::) ::)
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yeah but he's a ufc reject
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somebody is looking for reasons to stay fat me thinks :D
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lol. More proof that overdeveloped muscles are useless ;D
Who was arguing to the contrary that overdeveloped muscles weren't useless?
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same shit would have happened to cock chestnar long ago if he faught any real guys and not a bunch of has beens, never was' and old men
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Who cares??
I like to be big and jacked....I'm not concerned about being a tough guy or a good fighter. Question to everyone here who isn't 18-24 or a troublemaking penis........when's the last time you had a fight?
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imo
Mariusz would be good if he had experience in wrestling instead of boxing.
it's on the ground(if you're skilled) where strength helps alot not standing up.
but what do i know i dont know shit about mma.
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Frankly, that picture should make us all weep.
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I'm in my late 30's, and I've been in 3 fights within the last 2 years, lost all 3 of them though.
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Just because The Worlds Strongest Man cant fight doesnt mean all big strong jacked guys cant fight. There are plenty of huge amateur wrestlers that are show AND go. Some of those dudes are strong as hell too.
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I'm not talking about fights with your GF, I lose those too so i can plunge pussy on a regular basis
Seriously that is odd, im 44 and i havent been in a fight in almost 20 years...but i can still beat up Nasser
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lol. More proof that overdeveloped muscles are useless ;D
I promise not to talk shit to the gym fatbodies anymore.
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lol. More proof that overdeveloped muscles are useless ;D
Retarded statement
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I'm not talking about fights with your GF, I lose those too so i can plunge pussy on a regular basis
Seriously that is odd, im 44 and i havent been in a fight in almost 20 years...but i can still beat up Nasser
YOU are 44??
hahahahahahahahahahahaha haha...omg
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I'm in my late 30's, and I've been in 3 fights within the last 2 years, lost all 3 of them though.
You realize this is getbig and your martial incompetence will be mocked by the countless undefeated MMA toughguy champions who post here?
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Who cares??
I like to be big and jacked....I'm not concerned about being a tough guy or a good fighter. Question to everyone here who isn't 18-24 or a troublemaking penis........when's the last time you had a fight?
last wed.......but it was work related...
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Did you put him in a "Kimura" ??
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Did you put him in a "Kimura" ??
i put him in a "i punched him in the fore head".....its my signature move!!!!!
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LOLOLOL...Bench beating up the riffraff and maintaining order.....care to elaborate ??
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LOLOLOL...Bench beating up the riffraff and maintaining order.....care to elaborate ??
hasnt gone to court yet....give me a few months...
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understood
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this is funny coming from you mindspin
for one thing, you enjoy having "overdeveloped" muscles just as much as anybody
you take shots at the great Fedor's physique for not looking like a bodybuilder
you say overeem will beat the great Fedor while his muscles scream drug use
::) ::) ::)
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I enjoy having overdeveloped muscles? Let's see, I weigh 210lbs, run 3-5 mies per day, mountain bike 10 miles in the weekend and train BJJ/sub wrestling 2-3 days week. The only weight training I do is to increase explosiveness not muscle size. So, my muscles are anything but "over developed" ::)
Also, please show me where I said Alistar will beat Fedor...I'm waiting ::)
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that fight doesnt prove that having over developed muscles are useless what it proves is if your technique sucks and you have no stamina you shouldnt be fighting...
if you have good technique oversized muscles only serve to strengthen your arsenal...
relying soley on muscle is not going to work against someone who is about the same size of you and has decent technique and or stamina...
saying oversized muscles are useless is ignorant
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I enjoy having overdeveloped muscles? Let's see, I weigh 210lbs, run 3-5 mies per day, mountain bike 10 miles in the weekend and train BJJ/sub wrestling 2-3 days week. The only weight training I do is to increase explosiveness not muscle size. So, my muscles are anything but "over developed" ::)
Also, please show me where I said Alistar will beat Fedor...I'm waiting ::)
210 would be considered "overdeveloped" for a fighter your height
you said rogers would beat fedor if they fought again, that was after rogers got crushed by overeem
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lol. More proof that overdeveloped muscles are useless ;D
exactly. Rich old homosexual men like em though.
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exactly. Rich old homosexual men like em though.
What about a woman such as yourself? How do you feel about over developed muscles?
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that fight doesnt prove that having over developed muscles are useless what it proves is if your technique sucks and you have no stamina you shouldnt be fighting...
if you have good technique oversized muscles only serve to strengthen your arsenal...
relying soley on muscle is not going to work against someone who is about the same size of you and has decent technique and or stamina...
saying oversized muscles are useless is ignorant
exactly.
if size didn't matter at all there wouldn't exist any weight classes.
Mariusz is just not a trained fighter that is all.
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210 would be considered "overdeveloped" for a fighter your height
you said rogers would beat fedor if they fought again, that was after rogers got crushed by overeem
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At 210 I could easily cut to 170 if I was ever going to fight. Over developed means you cannot so anything athletic and that you have no endurance. Pretty much the entire IFBB line up, all of which outweigh me by nearly 100lbs.
Again, please show me where I said Alistar will beat Fedor...
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if you have good technique oversized muscles only serve to strengthen your arsenal...
To an extent. In Pudzianowski's case, his muscles are developed to such an extreme level that its detrimental to his gas tank. I don’t think a guy with that much muscle mass can build up the type of endurance needed for fighting. The muscle requires too much oxygen. He’d have to downsize if he wants to become a serious fighter.. not to mention, he needs to learn how to fight in the first place.
That huge mass is useless if you gas in under a minute. Huge muscular mass = bad endurance.
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exactly.
if size didn't matter at all there wouldn't exist any weight classes.
Mariusz is just not a trained fighter that is all.
Mariusz didn't lose because he was not a trained fighter. He lost that fight because he was carrying too much muscle. The more muscle you carry, the more gas you use. The guy was so tired after one round, that he dropped to the ground on his own and GAVE UP! HAHAHAH!
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To an extent. In Pudzianowski's case, his muscles are developed to such an extreme level that its detrimental to his gas tank. I don’t think a guy with that much muscle mass can build up the type of endurance needed for fighting. The muscle requires too much oxygen. He’d have to downsize if he wants to become a serious fighter.. not to mention, he needs to learn how to fight in the first place.
That huge mass is useless if you gas in under a minute. Huge muscular mass = bad endurance.
QFT!
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Mariusz didn't lose because he was not a trained fighter. He lost that fight because he was carrying too much muscle. The more muscle you carry, the more gas you use. The guy was so tired after one round, that he dropped to the ground on his own and GAVE UP! HAHAHAH!
so you are saying that pudz skill level is that of, or greater than tims?
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so you are saying that pudz skill level is that of, or greater than tims?
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Uh...no? Can you read ???
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Uh...no? Can you read ???
can you answer?......you are saying that the reason he lost was because he had too much muscle, and was gassed.....if he didn't have all the muscle, and had better cardio would he have won.......your question, and comments are missing valuable pieces...
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the funny is i bet he s so scary in real life most people must avoid him, just because of his muscle mass. So why even train for fights? He would still destroy most guys on here, just sitting on them lol.
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To an extent. In Pudzianowski's case, his muscles are developed to such an extreme level that its detrimental to his gas tank. I don’t think a guy with that much muscle mass can build up the type of endurance needed for fighting. The muscle requires too much oxygen. He’d have to downsize if he wants to become a serious fighter.. not to mention, he needs to learn how to fight in the first place.
That huge mass is useless if you gas in under a minute. Huge muscular mass = bad endurance.
I agree to an extent, actually its easier to choke some one out with a triangle choke or side choke if they have more muscle than a person who has little to none but that doesnt mean its useless....
id have to guess that its not his muscle but his lack of actual training that is his main problem as far as his stamina goes....5 mins is a long time in a fight so youre going to expend a great amount of energy
muscular mass doesnt have to equal bad endurance there have been plenty of fighters who carried a great deal of muscle and had good endurance...
fact of the matter is that oversized muscles arent useless
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the funny is i bet he s so scary in real life most people must avoid him, just because of his muscle mass. So why even train for fights? He would still destroy most guys on here, just sitting on them lol.
even with his obvious lack of technique he would literally destroy the vast majority of ppl in an actual fight
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lol. More proof that overdeveloped muscles are useless ;D
more proof that unnaturally pumped UP muscles are useless ;)
notice that pumping iron and "making ur body grow" is not natural, I didn't say drugs, I'm saying that pumping and and puffing and booming all over the palce, drugs or no isn't helping in a fight.
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the funny is i bet he s so scary in real life most people must avoid him, just because of his muscle mass. So why even train for fights? He would still destroy most guys on here, just sitting on them lol.
you actually think he does mma to be able to intimidate people and kick their ass? god you're dumb...
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You gas primarily cause your aerobic pathway is underdeveloped, not cause you have too much muscle. Pudzy comes from anaerobic sports.
Unnecessary muscular weight can be a hindrance, but please, look at Tim. Let's not forget that Tim outweighed Pud by 30 lbs, you're telling me you're better off to have more fat? nonsense.
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You gas primarily cause your aerobic pathway is underdeveloped, not cause you have too much muscle. Pudzy comes from anaerobic sports.
Unnecessary muscular weight can be a hindrance, but please, look at Tim. Let's not forget that Tim outweighed Pud by 30 lbs, you're telling me you're better off to have more fat? nonsense.
muscles requires oxygen fat does not so yes.
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You gas primarily cause your aerobic pathway is underdeveloped, not cause you have too much muscle. Pudzy comes from anaerobic sports.
exactly...his muscle didnt cause him to run out of gas it was his lack of training for endurance that more than likely lead to this...
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At 210 I could easily cut to 170 if I was ever going to fight. Over developed means you cannot so anything athletic and that you have no endurance. Pretty much the entire IFBB line up, all of which outweigh me by nearly 100lbs.
Again, please show me where I said Alistar will beat Fedor...
you appear to me much bigger and leaner than any 210 guy that cuts to 170
why would you think rogers would beat fedor in a rematch but not alistair?
mariusz has 3 fights, sylvia has about 30 or so and is a 2 time world champ
i'd say he did well considering his inexperience
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exactly...his muscle didnt cause him to run out of gas it was his lack of training for endurance that more than likely lead to this...
loll
ofcourse he could get some more stamina if he trained for it alot but doesnt take away the fact that more muscles = more oxygen spent...
there is a reason for why the long distance runners are skinny little shits.
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loll
ofcourse he could get some more stamina if he trained for it alot but doesnt take away the fact that more muscles = more oxygen spent...
there is a reason for why the long distance runners are skinny little shits.
no doubt but its not going to make or break a fighter, look at hollyfield that dude carried around a great deal of mass and had good endurance...again
again his lack of stamina has more to do with his lack of training towards that end I would say than the fact he carries around alot of muscle...
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there is a reason for why the long distance runners are skinny little shits.
Yea but we're talking about heavyweight MMA. Having more muscle over fat is an asset.
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Are there any strength numbers out there for Tim Silvia? He may be a fatass but he's a big guy, I bet he's pretty strong.
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Frankly, that picture should make us all weep.
true...that picture is the very antithesis of the core getbig philosophy :)
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in marius's defense, its not like he got beat by some small twink who had more 'skill', he got beat by a guy with vast experience, skilled, and HUGE. i mean Silvia is 6-8, probably close to 400 lbs, not many guys are gonna be able to dwarf marius and more or less neutralize his strength with vast bodyweight/size. add the fact that he was much more experienced and trained tipped it heavily in his favor
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Again...who fucking cares ??
I must have clicked on the wrong link and i'm in a professional badass forum ::)
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It's not like Sylvia wasn't the world champ, and a very skilled fighter. Give Mariusz Tim's skill set and it could have been a different outcome. Or not. Mariusz got gassed real early. He showed better stamina in the WSM contests. Then again, boards don't hit back...
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We have retards on Getbig that claim
strong guys like
Branch Warren can kick major ass.
TS just posted a hint to those
posters
BTW regarding Pudzi it was not only a cardio issue.
It is much more than that.
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I'd like to see Pudz vs. Roy Jones Jr. when Roy was in his prime. Good Night Sweet Prince ;>
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Again...who fucking cares ??
I must have clicked on the wrong link and i'm in a professional badass forum ::)
All of us who follow the male beauty pageant scene think you're fabulous! :-*
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Who cares??
I like to be big and jacked....I'm not concerned about being a tough guy or a good fighter. Question to everyone here who isn't 18-24 or a troublemaking penis........when's the last time you had a fight?
yeah honestly, who the fuck cares if you can win a fight, what is this highschool
fighting is useless anymore UNLESS you fight MMA or boxing......because everyone resorts to shooting or stabbing (or suing) anyway
having a good build is much more benificial and tangible in everyday life then being able to "grapple"
and overdeveloped muscles are not "useless" , they are just useless in a sport like MMA, just like they would be useless in auto racing..........overdeve loped muscles certainly are not useless in strenght sports like strongman and powerlifting, or football, or of course bodybuilding
everything in life is task-specific....that MMA fighters body certainly would be useless as a runner or cyclist....it all subjective.....the only thing NOT subjective is that being jacked rules and make you cooler then everyone else ;)
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I enjoy having overdeveloped muscles? Let's see, I weigh 210lbs, run 3-5 mies per day, mountain bike 10 miles in the weekend and train BJJ/sub wrestling 2-3 days week. The only weight training I do is to increase explosiveness not muscle size. So, my muscles are anything but "over developed" ::)
Also, please show me where I said Alistar will beat Fedor...I'm waiting ::)
sounds like you are a very buff guy with very functional muscles :D
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Who cares??
I like to be big and jacked....I'm not concerned about being a tough guy or a good fighter. Question to everyone here who isn't 18-24 or a troublemaking penis........when's the last time you had a fight?
You're just bitter cause you have no intimidation factor with an MMA athlete, unlike with the neighbors and pizza delivery boys.
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You gas primarily cause your aerobic pathway is underdeveloped, not cause you have too much muscle. Pudzy comes from anaerobic sports.
Unnecessary muscular weight can be a hindrance, but please, look at Tim. Let's not forget that Tim outweighed Pud by 30 lbs, you're telling me you're better off to have more fat? nonsense.
Sorry, but you're wrong. Fat does not require oxygen. Muscles do. When you carry as much muscle as the average juiced up bodybuilder, you're going to to be huffing and puffing long before a fatty with strong cardio.
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It's not like Sylvia wasn't the world champ, and a very skilled fighter. Give Mariusz Tim's skill set and it could have been a different outcome. Or not. Mariusz got gassed real early. He showed better stamina in the WSM contests. Then again, boards don't hit back...
Sylvia is a washed up fighter whose been on a serious loosing streak. And, he weighed in at 308lbs of sloppy fat. Mariusz was carrying a good 40-50 lbs of more muscle than Tim. Tim fought a shitty fight. Aside from stuffing the takedown, he did nothing. Mariusz beat himself by completely gassing out and dropping to the ground on his own.
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Sorry, but you're wrong. Fat does not require oxygen. Muscles do. When you carry as much muscle as the average juiced up bodybuilder, you're going to to be huffing and puffing long before a fatty with strong cardio.
You're throwing too many variables around to make a meaningful comparison. It's interesting you included the word strong. What if the fatty didn't have strong cardio? Wouldn't it be a better comparison if he had similar cardio to justify your comparison? The average juiced up bodybuilder doesn't train the aerobic pathway to any appreciable extent, they don't need to. And it's not like the fat ass gets a free ride. He has to lug around extra weight which means he has to work harder too.
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You gas primarily cause your aerobic pathway is underdeveloped, not cause you have too much muscle. Pudzy comes from anaerobic sports.
Unnecessary muscular weight can be a hindrance, but please, look at Tim. Let's not forget that Tim outweighed Pud by 30 lbs, you're telling me you're better off to have more fat? nonsense.
Wrong on so many levels. As mindspin said and anyone with half a brain knows, muscle requires O2, so the more you have the faster you will gas. Thats why featherweights look as fresh in round 5 as they do in round 1.
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True dat! Muscle does require oxegen for functioning, but fat is just extra useless weight that adds nothing to performance.
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Actually, I think fat can add to performance. Fat actually provides a cushion that ads "spring" to the muscles. When you are very lean, you are weaker than when you are carrying around extra fat. It's why fatter powerlifters are often stronger than more muscular bodybuilders. In MMA, fat also gives you extra weight that makes it harder for your opponent to throw you around. You have to look no further than bif FAT Roy Nelson, dominating big MUSCULAR Kimbo Slice to see this in action.
BTW, what happened to the youtube button ???
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You're right about that man, fat can sometimes be an aid to performance, and I stand corrected. I guess that my vainity just got the best of me, coz I keep remembering that muscles "pop out" much better at 7% bodyfat than they do at 12% :>
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Sylvia is a washed up fighter whose been on a serious loosing streak. And, he weighed in at 308lbs of sloppy fat. Mariusz was carrying a good 40-50 lbs of more muscle than Tim. Tim fought a shitty fight. Aside from stuffing the takedown, he did nothing. Mariusz beat himself by completely gassing out and dropping to the ground on his own.
which had little to nothing to do with his muscle... ::)
if you dont train towards a goal then you dont make any progress in that area, its obvious that his training wasnt geared toward fighting endurance.
AGAIN there are many fighters who have carried a great deal of muscle but still had good endurance...
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Actually, I think fat can add to performance. Fat actually provides a cushion that ads "spring" to the muscles. When you are very lean, you are weaker than when you are carrying around extra fat. It's why fatter powerlifters are often stronger than more muscular bodybuilders. In MMA, fat also gives you extra weight that makes it harder for your opponent to throw you around. You have to look no further than bif FAT Roy Nelson, dominating big MUSCULAR Kimbo Slice to see this in action.
Powerlifters are primarily stronger because they train for strength, they develop CNS adaptations from low rep heavy training that bodybuilders don't typically do. Fat may help in leverage due to restricting ROM but that's not as significant. Heavyweights don't need to make weight so they can eat all the shit they want to. Lighter guys that need to make weight are not hindered. I've seen 150 lbs guys squat 600. If you are too lean, diet too much, etc. yes you will lose strength cause you are in a state of catabolism but that's different.
Most MMA athletes try to minimize fat mass and stay in the lightest weight class possible. This is a more advantageous body composition.
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YOU are 44??
hahahahahahahahahahahaha haha...omg
just out of curiosity, what is funny about being 44----are you magically never going to be 44 one day---you make no sense
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Wrong on so many levels. As mindspin said and anyone with half a brain knows, muscle requires O2, so the more you have the faster you will gas. Thats why featherweights look as fresh in round 5 as they do in round 1.
I am going to edit my response to you and just say it is much more complex on why someone "gases" and it's not a simple issue of just carrying too much muscle.
you can get started with this here : http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f13/how-finally-solve-your-conditioning-problem-788235/
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I am going to edit my response to you and just say it is much more complex on why someone "gases" and it's not a simple issue of just carrying too much muscle.
you can get started with this here : http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f13/how-finally-solve-your-conditioning-problem-788235/
Obviously there are multiple variables that impact conditioning. It just so happens to be that muscle mass is one of them. There is no fucking way that a guy as big & lean as an IFBB pro, can have the conditioning needed to go three 5 minute rounds...UNLESS they lose a shitload of muscle. Why do you think that there are NO 5'7" 260lbs heavyweights in the UFC?
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LOL mindspin in your opinion was it his muscle mass or his lack training for stamina that lead to him being gased?
if you think it was his muscle mass, what do you say to other fighters who have carried a good amount of muscle but still have good stamina?
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Obviously there are multiple variables that impact conditioning. It just so happens to be that muscle mass is one of them. There is no fucking way that a guy as big & lean as an IFBB pro, can have the conditioning needed to go three 5 minute rounds...UNLESS they lose a shitload of muscle. Why do you think that there are NO 5'7" 260lbs heavyweights in the UFC?
Like you said, multiple variables. They haven't trained for the necessary cardiovascular adaptations that MMA demands. It takes years. Real changes in the heart and energy systems occur. Contest BB shape is exaggerated by being catabolic lean and dehydrated.
With all the stacking of drugs and prolonging esters they shoot, I doubt anyone can achieve such size and pass a drug test too.
The sport is still young, maybe we will see freak hybrids in the future . If you've noticed throughout the years, guys like Overeem, GSP, Koscheck, Hughes, Ortiz, all have improved their body compositions and look more like bodybuilders today when they first started out.
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Actually, I think fat can add to performance. Fat actually provides a cushion that ads "spring" to the muscles.
Oh brother ::)
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Powerlifters are primarily stronger because they train for strength, they develop CNS adaptations from low rep heavy training that bodybuilders don't typically do. Fat may help in leverage due to restricting ROM but that's not as significant. Heavyweights don't need to make weight so they can eat all the shit they want to. Lighter guys that need to make weight are not hindered. I've seen 150 lbs guys squat 600. If you are too lean, diet too much, etc. yes you will lose strength cause you are in a state of catabolism but that's different.
Most MMA athletes try to minimize fat mass and stay in the lightest weight class possible. This is a more advantageous body composition.
The CNS adaptation is overrated, most of the strength comes from hypertrophy. And you really didn't see that one.
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The CNS adaptation is overrated, most of the strength comes from hypertrophy. And you really didn't see that one.
You're wrong dude.
Here's Judd Biasiotto squatting 600 lbs at 130 lbs bodyweight:
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No Klaus fan, he's right. There IS a direct correlation between hyperthropy and strength. Bigger muscles equals stronger muscles. And neurological eff. can be improved, but not so much so. This fella gets AT LEAST 200 extra for his squat from his squat suit and his knee wraps. P.S. I'm sure that I spelled a word or two wrong, but who gives a fuck, my whole point is still understood. What da fuck? Are we all back in 3rd grade or something LOL
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This is rather silly. You're comparing a former world champion in one sport, with a world champion IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT (and unrelated) sport.
And you act surprised that that former MMA champ wins an MMA contest, against a World-class strongman who's a NOVICE in MMA?
Stick Mark Henry against Tim Silva and the outcome is likely the same: Henry gets dropped like a lead balloon.
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This is rather silly. You're comparing a former world champion in one sport, with a world champion IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT (and unrelated) sport.
And you act surprised that that former MMA champ wins an MMA contest, against a World-class strongman who's a NOVICE in MMA?
Stick Mark Henry against Tim Silva and the outcome is likely the same: Henry gets dropped like a lead balloon.
True.....or put Silva in a WSM contest.....hahaha, good for a few laughs too.
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True.....or put Silva in a WSM contest.....hahaha, good for a few laughs too.
I'm picturing Silva's arms and legs flapping, while he's squished under an Atlas Stone.
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True.....or put Silva in a WSM contest.....hahaha, good for a few laughs too.
LOL man id pay money to see that shit
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Isn't there an MMA fat builder on the market?
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LOL mindspin in your opinion was it his muscle mass or his lack training for stamina that lead to him being gased?
if you think it was his muscle mass, what do you say to other fighters who have carried a good amount of muscle but still have good stamina?
There is not a single successful fighter that is walking into the octagon carrying the amount of muscle and low bodyfat that this strong guy has. The biggest one of them all, Brock Lesnar, is way smaller and a lot less lean than he was in the WWE.
I know it's a hard concept for you meatheads to understand, but I know from experience. I've had to significantly reduce my muscle mass, in order to be able to hang with the guys in my BJJ & wrestling. The fatigue that is caused by the excessive muscle mass is not just cardio related, it's your muscles actually being engorged with blood and feeling like lead. Once that happens, you're done. It's what happened to Pudz...
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Who gives a shit if Silvia or any other MMA fighter could win a WSM contest ::) What's the point of being the World's Strongest Man, If you can still get your ass kicked by a tall lanky goon like Tim Sylvia. LOL...
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There you have it, folks.
Solve your conditioning problem, lose all your muscle.
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There is not a single successful fighter that is walking into the octagon carrying the amount of muscle and low bodyfat that this strong guy has. The biggest one of them all, Brock Lesnar, is way smaller and a lot less lean than he was in the WWE.
I know it's a hard concept for you meatheads to understand, but I know from experience. I've had to significantly reduce my muscle mass, in order to be able to hang with the guys in my BJJ & wrestling. The fatigue that is caused by the excessive muscle mass is not just cardio related, it's your muscles actually being engorged with blood and feeling like lead. Once that happens, you're done. It's what happened to Pudz...
so you cut the muscle you worked so hard for so you could roll around with other men ???
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so you cut the muscle you worked so hard for so you could roll around with other men ???
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STFU you are a known fag and closet queen
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There is not a single successful fighter that is walking into the octagon carrying the amount of muscle and low bodyfat that this strong guy has. The biggest one of them all, Brock Lesnar, is way smaller and a lot less lean than he was in the WWE.
I know it's a hard concept for you meatheads to understand, but I know from experience. I've had to significantly reduce my muscle mass, in order to be able to hang with the guys in my BJJ & wrestling. The fatigue that is caused by the excessive muscle mass is not just cardio related, it's your muscles actually being engorged with blood and feeling like lead. Once that happens, you're done. It's what happened to Pudz...
LOL meat head?
lol bro Im a 2 time national judo champ trust me I know what type of training it takes to up your grappling endurance and Ive fought and seen many a juiced meat head with good endurance...Im not saying that didnt happen to pudz what im saying is it happend more so to do with his fighting condition rather than his muscle youre making it out to be this huge deal when its actually an after thought...
youre really telling me thats the most amount of endurance you think pudz is capable of? ::
again his gasing had more to do with his lack of training toward that end than his muscle mass
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LOL meat head?
lol bro Im a 2 time national judo champ trust me I know what type of training it takes to up your grappling endurance and Ive fought and seen many a juiced meat head with good endurance...Im not saying that didnt happen to pudz what im saying is it happend more so to do with his fighting condition rather than his muscle youre making it out to be this huge deal when its actually an after thought...
youre really telling me thats the most amount of endurance you think pudz is capable of? ::
again his gasing had more to do with his lack of training toward that end than his muscle mass
Did you see the fight? The guy literally went from regular skin color to purple. Worse case of cyanoderma I've ever seen. The only other time I see skin turn that color is on 250lbs+ bodybuilders.
Is it possible to carry more muscle than the average guy and still have solid cardio? Yes. But, if it is to the extreme, then the answer is no. Pudz could never carry that much muscle and still get through 3 rounds in MMA.
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STFU you are a known fag and closet queen
and you are a gay pussy gimmick
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Did you see the fight? The guy literally went from regular skin color to purple. Worse case of cyanoderma I've ever seen. The only other time I see skin turn that color is on 250lbs+ bodybuilders.
Is it possible to carry more muscle than the average guy and still have solid cardio? Yes. But, if it is to the extreme, then the answer is no. Pudz could never carry that much muscle and still get through 3 rounds in MMA.
LOL bro there are plenty of examples of fighters not just MMA fighters but boxers, wrestlers etc...who carry a good amount of muscle and still have great endurance...
im not saying that carrying extra muscle isnt tougher on your endurance but its not the end all be all BS youre making it out to be...
pudz was in horrible fighting condition which was the main factor
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LOL bro there are plenty of examples of fighters not just MMA fighters but boxers, wrestlers etc...who carry a good amount of muscle and still have great endurance...
im not saying that carrying extra muscle isnt tougher on your endurance but its not the end all be all BS youre making it out to be...
In Pudzianowski's case, his excessive muscle is the main reason he gassed.
Please show me one other guy in mma or boxing who fights at 270+ lean pounds with this type of muscular development.
(http://mmafrenzy.com/files/2009/12/Mariusz-Pudzianowski.jpg)
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Who gives a shit if Silvia or any other MMA fighter could win a WSM contest ::) What's the point of being the World's Strongest Man, If you can still get your ass kicked by a tall lanky goon like Tim Sylvia. LOL...
The point you missed, of course, is that nobody should be surprised that a NOVICE in MMA (even if he's a world-class strongman) gets pummeled in an MMA fight by a FORMER MMA WORLD CHAMPION.
Just as no one would be surprised if a novice at strength competition gets schooled by a multiple-time WSM Champion.
The point of being the World's Strongest Man is that you are the best at your chosen sport. So, I guess by your logic, nobody should strive to be the best in a sport, unless he can win at MMA. ::)
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In Pudzianowski's case, his excessive muscle is the main reason he gassed.
Please show me one other guy in mma or boxing who fights at 270+ lean pounds with this type of muscular development.
(http://mmafrenzy.com/files/2009/12/Mariusz-Pudzianowski.jpg)
LOL what does fat have to do with it unless your saying that fat helps in endurance? as a matter of fact mindspin is saying its b/c his muscles used up to much oxygen so unless fat produces oxygen than its not going to come into play...
LMAO dude there are plenty of boxers that carry a great deal of muscle holyfield, lewis etc...mma kerr, brock etc.. that still have good endurance...
what about NFL players who have carry a great amount of muscle but still have great endurance? LMAO his muscle mass was not the reason he gased so early it was b/c he just wasnt in fighting condition...
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There is not a single successful fighter that is walking into the octagon carrying the amount of muscle and low bodyfat that this strong guy has. The biggest one of them all, Brock Lesnar, is way smaller and a lot less lean than he was in the WWE.
I know it's a hard concept for you meatheads to understand, but I know from experience. I've had to significantly reduce my muscle mass, in order to be able to hang with the guys in my BJJ & wrestling. The fatigue that is caused by the excessive muscle mass is not just cardio related, it's your muscles actually being engorged with blood and feeling like lead. Once that happens, you're done. It's what happened to Pudz...
Before I started doing cardio I could only wrestle for about a minute and 30 seconds before having nothing left at alllllll. Conditioning is so underrated.
I couldn't imagine being Mariiusz getting nowehre trying to take down a firmly planted 280 pound Tim Sylvia lolz
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LOL bro there are plenty of examples of fighters not just MMA fighters but boxers, wrestlers etc...who carry a good amount of muscle and still have great endurance...
im not saying that carrying extra muscle isnt tougher on your endurance but its not the end all be all BS youre making it out to be...
pudz was in horrible fighting condition which was the main factor
If you've ever seen some of Lesnar's matches in WWE, especially WrestleMania XIX, you will see that, even at 300 lbs, Lesnar still had plenty of stamina in that match, towards the end.
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LOL what does fat have to do with it unless your saying that fat helps in endurance? as a matter of fact mindspin is saying its b/c his muscles used up to much oxygen so unless fat produces oxygen than its not going to come into play...
LMAO dude there are plenty of boxers that carry a great deal of muscle holyfield, lewis etc...mma kerr, brock etc.. that still have good endurance...
Why are you going on about fat? I never mentioned fat.
You cannot provide one other example of a guy with Pudzianowski’s level of excessive muscular development in boxing or mma.
None of the guys you mentioned even come close.
His muscle mass does burn up too much oxygen for him to have any type of gas tank.
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LOL what does fat have to do with it unless your saying that fat helps in endurance? as a matter of fact mindspin is saying its b/c his muscles used up to much oxygen so unless fat produces oxygen than its not going to come into play...
LMAO dude there are plenty of boxers that carry a great deal of muscle holyfield, lewis etc...mma kerr, brock etc.. that still have good endurance...
what about NFL players who have carry a great amount of muscle but still have great endurance? LMAO his muscle mass was not the reason he gased so early it was b/c he just wasnt in fighting condition...
Brock actually fights at over 270 pounds. He lasted 3 rounds with Herring. Marius was in the 250s? He lasted half a round. Mariusz is a lot more muscular. The guy is a world strong man champion many times over. He knows how to train and get in the best condition he can be in right? Dude is too muscular.
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Why are you going on about fat? I never mentioned fat.
You cannot provide one other example of a guy with Pudzianowski’s level of excessive muscular development in boxing or mma.
None of the guys you mentioned even come close.
His muscle mass does burn up too much oxygen for him to have any type of gas tank.
you mentioned leaness... ;)
LOL so there is a magical point when you have to much muscle or is it gradual? the way you guys talk about it makes it seem like a gradual increase in muscle mass leads to a gradual decrease in endurance capabilities...
again there are plenty of fighters that carry a great deal of muscle that have great endurance you would think that brock being as big as he is would have horrible endurance but he has decent endurance...
what about football players? unless that is the muscle football players have is different that the muscle pudz has? ::) some of those guys are every bit as big as pudz and still have great endurance...
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Brock actually fights at over 270 pounds. He lasted 3 rounds with Herring. Marius was in the 250s? He lasted half a round. Mariusz is a lot more muscular. The guy is a world strong man champion many times over. He knows how to train and get in the best condition he can be in right? Dude is too muscular.
He was 270+ pounds of solid muscle.
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To an extent. In Pudzianowski's case, his muscles are developed to such an extreme level that its detrimental to his gas tank. I don’t think a guy with that much muscle mass can build up the type of endurance needed for fighting. The muscle requires too much oxygen. He’d have to downsize if he wants to become a serious fighter.. not to mention, he needs to learn how to fight in the first place.
That huge mass is useless if you gas in under a minute. Huge muscular mass = bad endurance.
When you carry the muscle mass of two men, you cant expect your body to fuel all of that muscle mass with enough oxygen to fight, its not going to happen.
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Brock actually fights at over 270 pounds. He lasted 3 rounds with Herring. Marius was in the 250s? He lasted half a round. Mariusz is a lot more muscular. The guy is a world strong man champion many times over. He knows how to train and get in the best condition he can be in right? Dude is too muscular.
LOL again being in shape and being in fighting shape are totally different especially when youre talking about grappling. Its hard to explain unless youve experienced it but those who have can vouche for it.
just b/c he had the conditioning to do wsm doesnt mean he has the conditioning to fight for 5 mins straight...
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tonymctones and others,
why are you not accepting at least some part of MindSpin's argument, which is very true???
tonymctones keeps saying "it is possible to carry a lot of muscle and still have endurance", which others here are not denying. People are saying "yes up to a point".
Holyfiled and Lewis etc are terrible examples. They are not as muscle-bound, i.e. they do not have as much excess muscle for their frame as Pudz has. Pudz has put too much muscle on a short frame and his muscle/skeleton ratio brings new dynamics into play. In addition, most of Pudz's muscles are fast twitch, which makes them terrible for endurance.
There is a huuuge difference between competition lasting 1 minute and competition lasting 3 X 5 minute rounds. Pudz does the former and unless he completely remakes himself -which he doesn't have enough time to do- he will never last 3 X 5 minutes against someone like Sylvia.
and one idiot brought up football players?? LOL
are you guys for real? the big football players have terrible endurance. unless they rest every few minutes they literally collapse...
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The best wrestler ever was the biggest, strongest and most muscular out of all wrestlers. You know who I'm talking aboot. ;)
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you mentioned leaness... ;).
again there are plenty of fighters that carry a great deal of muscle that have great endurance you would think that brock being as big as he is would have horrible endurance but he has decent endurance...
You keep saying that. Provide me with a single example of another fighter that has comparable muscle mass to Pudzianowski. So far you haven’t.
what about football players? unless that is the muscle football players have is different that the muscle pudz has? ::) some of those guys are every bit as big as pudz and still have great endurance...
LOL.. that is all.
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tonymctones and others,
why are you not accepting at least some part of MindSpin's argument, which is very true???
tonymctones keeps saying "it is possible to carry a lot of muscle and still have endurance", which others here are not denying. People are saying "yes up to a point".
Holyfiled and Lewis etc are terrible examples. They are not as muscle-bound, i.e. they do not have as much excess muscle for their frame as Pudz has. Pudz has put too much muscle on a short frame and his muscle/skeleton ratio brings new dynamics into play. In addition, most of Pudz's muscles are fast twitch, which makes them terrible for endurance.
There is a huuuge difference between competition lasting 1 minute and competition lasting 3 X 5 minute rounds. Pudz does the former and unless he completely remakes himself -which he doesn't have enough time to do- he will never last 3 X 5 minutes against someone like Sylvia.
and one idiot brought up football players?? LOL
are you guys for real? the big football players have terrible endurance. unless they rest every few minutes they literally collapse...
I accept part of mindspins arguement but again its not as big a deal as he makes it out to be...I agree that having as much muscle as pudz does hampers his cardio but not to the extent that was seen in the fight...that my friend was just shit conditioning plain and simple....
and linebackers and some linemen carry a great amount of muscle an dstill have great endurance...certainly a shit load more than pudz
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Seriously, the conditioning work strong men do isn't much, or it's not super intense. They are strength athletes above all.
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"and linebackers and some linemen carry a great amount of muscle an dstill have great endurance...certainly a shit load more than pudz"
which 300 pound linebacker can grapple and kick and punch non-stop for 5 minutes (as Pudz did in the first round)???
I don't think a single one of them can do this. Not one of them ever go 5 minutes non-stop in their training or in games
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"and linebackers and some linemen carry a great amount of muscle an dstill have great endurance...certainly a shit load more than pudz"
which 300 pound linebacker can grapple and kick and punch non-stop for 5 minutes (as Pudz did in the first round)???
I don't think a single one of them can do this. Not one of them ever go 5 minutes non-stop in their training or in games
what about linebackers? defensive linemen?
mario williams is supposedly 295 pretty lean and has good endurance...thats just one example.
just about any NFL linebacker is going to be 250ish and they have good endurance...
LOL again yes pudz muscle mass did hamper him to an extent but the main factor was his lack of conditioning not his muscle mass ::)
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There you have it, folks.
Solve your conditioning problem, lose all your muscle.
all your muscle ::)
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just about any NFL linebacker is going to be 250ish and they have good endurance...
No they don't
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what about linebackers? defensive linemen?
mario williams is supposedly 295 pretty lean and has good endurance...thats just one example.
just about any NFL linebacker is going to be 250ish and they have good endurance...
LOL again yes pudz muscle mass did hamper him to an extent but the main factor was his lack of conditioning not his muscle mass ::)
Mario Williams is like 6'5, which means 295 lean pounds fits his frame. You're comparing apples to watermelons on this one.
There are no NFL linebackers that are as big, lean, and as muscular as Pudz --(at the same height). Also, football plays require short bursts of energy multiple times, with ample rest time...(time outs, commercial breaks, huddles - etc).
You are starting to sound silly. Of course Pudz's mass has to do with his poor conditioning. To much mass puts a huge amount of strain on your heart and lungs. Lean or not, Pudz is carrying way more muscle than his organs are designed for.
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There are is so much ignorance on this site. Naturally big guys that have been training their whole lives in football, or wrestling, have developed the cardio they need to excell in their sports. Yes, they have more muscle than the average guy, but not even Brock Lesnar is carrying around as much lean muscle as Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler or even 3rd tier pros like Chick.
Bodybuilders have unnaturally developed muscles and cannot have the cardio endurance and muscle stamina necessary to make it through 3 rounds in MMA.
Even Brock dropped about 30lbs to help improve his conditioning. Guess what, Pudz also dropped over 20lns while working on his conditioning. It wasn't enough.
Bottom line, big muscles require a lot more oxygen. Think of it like car gas mileage. A light compact car will go a lot further than a heavy SUV, using the same fuel.
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Mario Williams is like 6'5, which means 295 lean pounds fits his frame. You're comparing apples to watermelons on this one.
There are no NFL linebackers that are as big, lean, and as muscular as Pudz --(at the same height). Also, football plays require short bursts of energy multiple times, with ample rest time...(time outs, commercial breaks, huddles - etc).
You are starting to sound silly. Of course Pudz's mass has to do with his poor conditioning. To much mass puts a huge amount of strain on your heart and lungs. Lean or not, Pudz is carrying way more muscle than his organs are designed for.
so this is about the frame of the individual now as well? unless the muscle pudz has is different than the muscle others have or unless it uses oxygen different it shouldnt matter in mindspins theory...
what does leaness have to do with anything? again this is about muscle mass....
come on bro i know you watch enough football to know that these guys have to be able to keep up with offenses going no huddle etc...you have to agree that they have better endurance than pudz...
again im not arguing the point that excessive muscle mass can hamper your endurance and I agree that pudz is carrying around to much weight for his body but again that was not the case in pudz fight, that was a case of poor conditioning...
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so this is about the frame of the individual now as well? unless the muscle pudz has is different than the muscle others have or unless it uses oxygen different it shouldnt matter in mindspins theory...
No. it's about comparing Pudz (a guy who is carrying around way to much mass for his frame/organs)...to a 6'5 giant, that has organs designed to support the huge amount of mass that he is carrying.
what does leanness have to do with anything? again this is about muscle mass....
You're comparing Pudz to 300 lb dl's and also lb's who are muscularly much smaller than Pudz. It's not the same. If they do have comparable mass it's on a much larger frame (which means their organs are designed to carry the load).
come on bro i know you watch enough football to know that these guys have to be able to keep up with offenses going no huddle etc...you have to agree that they have better endurance than pudz...
Yes, but it's a totally different type of endurance...and that's not even taking into account sub packages, time outs, huddles, TV commercials, etc.
again I'm not arguing the point that excessive muscle mass can hamper your endurance and I agree that pudz is carrying around to much weight for his body but again that was not the case in pudz fight, that was a case of poor conditioning...
Which likely had to do with carrying way to much muscle mass.
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Brock actually fights at over 270 pounds. He lasted 3 rounds with Herring. Marius was in the 250s? He lasted half a round. Mariusz is a lot more muscular. The guy is a world strong man champion many times over. He knows how to train and get in the best condition he can be in right? Dude is too muscular.
I thought the weight limit was 265. If you look at Lesnar's current physique, it looks a little weird. It as if he kept his pecs the same size as they were, during his WWE days, but shrunk his lats and arms.
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You guys are allowing your visual prejudice to arrive at erroneous conclusions. A casual observation and dismissal on someone’s ability simply on grounds of muscularity is just being ignorant.
You can’t see conditioning. You are forgetting the fact that to supply the energy demands for several rounds in an MMA bout is an achievement for anyone, regardless of size. It is something that is trained for, that takes monumental effort, and not a given.
To quote an MMA conditioning authority, “How much energy you produce is the result of many things such as how much oxygen you can take in, how much blood your cardiovascular system can deliver to your muscles, how efficiently your muscles can use oxygen, how much energy substrate you have stored, how well developed your nervous system , etc. “
To make the assumption that Pud has hit the genetic wall, especially the fact that he’s relatively new to the sport and has fought only 3 times, is ridiculous to say the least.
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what about linebackers? defensive linemen?
mario williams is supposedly 295 pretty lean and has good endurance...thats just one example.
just about any NFL linebacker is going to be 250ish and they have good endurance...
LOL again yes pudz muscle mass did hamper him to an extent but the main factor was his lack of conditioning not his muscle mass ::)
(http://cdn1.libsyn.com/packpride/SpringGame/Mario.jpg?nvb=20100527160400&nva=20100528161400&t=085ea45e56fec107c3001)
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Provide me with a single example of another fighter that has comparable muscle mass to Pudzianowski.
That doesn't justify anything. That's like saying you can't be a chess grandmaster if you're 8 feet tall, because there aren't any that are 8 feet tall. How many people can even get to a lean 270? You are already strictly limited to a small pool of people here, and assume they are champion MMA candidates to begin with.
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Who cares??
I like to be big and jacked....I'm not concerned about being a tough guy or a good fighter. Question to everyone here who isn't 18-24 or a troublemaking penis........when's the last time you had a fight?
Senior your of HS, wasn't much of a fight really. This kid pissed me off so I slapped the shit out of him and started chocking him lol. I agree with you 100% although I do train Muay Thai and grapple, but that's only at work (I'm a Marine). I'm too old to be worried about fighting someone, rather workout and chase pussy.