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Obama’s Nominee to Run Medicare: ‘Please Don’t Put Your Faith in Market Forces’
CNSNews ^ | May 24, 2010 | Matt Cover
CNSNews.com) – Dr. Donald Berwick, nominated by President Barack Obama to head the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), the agency that runs Medicare, published an article in the British Medical Journal (BMJ), advising leaders of Britain’s socialized health care system: “Please don’t put your faith in market forces.”
The article, published in the July 26, 2008 issue of the BMJ, compared the U.S. health care system unfavorably to the British system, which Berwick said he was “romantic about.”
The article included a list of 10 suggestions for Britain’s National Health Service (NHS). One of these suggestions was:
“Please don’t put your faith in market forces [emphasis in original]. It’s a popular idea: that Adam Smith’s invisible hand would do a better job of designing care than leaders with plans can. I find little evidence that market forces relying on consumers choosing among an array of products, with competitors fighting it out, leads to the healthcare system you want and need. In the U.S., competition is a major reason for our duplicative, supply driven, fragmented care system.”
Berwick also outlined his 10 suggestions for Britain’s National Health Service at a speech he delivered in Wembley, England, on July 1, 2008. In the speech, Berwick said that the health care choices made by “leaders” will be better than the choices that individuals make for themselves.
“I cannot believe that the individual health care consumer can enforce through choice the proper configurations of a system as massive and complex as health care. That is for leaders to do,” Berwick said.
Berwick delivered his speech and wrote his article to commemorate the 60th birthday of Britain’s single-payer, government-run health-care system. In his article, in wishing the system “happy birthday,” he urged the British to keep going with their system because the world needed “an example at scale of a health system that is universal, accessible, excellent, and free at the point of care.”
"The only sentiment I feel for the NHS that exceeds my admiration is my hope," said Berwick. "I hope you will never, ever give up on what you have begun. I hope you realise and reaffirm how badly you need—how badly the world needs—an example at scale of a health system that is universal, accessible, excellent, and free at the point of care—a health system that, at its core, is like the world we wish we had: generous, hopeful, confident, joyous, and just. Happy birthday."
Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), who serves on the Senate Finance Committee, which has oversight over Berwick’s nomination, told CNSNews.com that he believes Berwick misunderstands the American health care system.
“What we have in the U.S. doesn't even approach a real functioning competitive market for health care," Senator Roberts said. “The government is currently the number one purchaser of health care, so government policy already greatly distorts the market shifting costs around and hiding them from consumers. This has led to a tremendous disconnect between the consumer and the purchaser--the very connection that market forces rely upon to increase quality and decrease costs."
"Nobody spends someone else's money as carefully as they spend their own," said Roberts, "and that's what we've seen happening over the last several decades as the government pays for more and more care.”
Roberts noted that Berwick’s “avid support for the rationing system” in Great Britain makes him a candidate to carry out a similar system here in the United States now that President Obama’s national health care plan has been enacted.
“Obamacare will take on payment responsibility for a whole new class of Americans and, predictably, the Administration is searching for ways to contain their newly acquired costs,” said Roberts. “Rationing of health care will be their plan, and Donald Berwick's avid support for the rationing system of the United Kingdom make him the perfect person to implement the plan in the US,” he said.
In a 2009 interview with Biotechnology Healthcare, Berwick said the United States needed to face the inevitability of rationing with “open eyes.”
“The decision is not whether or not we will ration care--the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open,” he said.
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Every stupid fucking C^& on this board who fought with me over this needs to eat shit and die.
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Death panels, ahoy, for Mr. "Hope and Change".
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Sarah was 10000% right on this.
The pofs idiots were too stupid or blind in their hatred for her to realize she was telling the truth.
now we all have to deal with this Frankenstein.
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The liberals don't care, they are all brainwashed.
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And not one of the jerkoffs on this board who shilled for Obamacare or accused me of lying or making shit up will say a word about this.
Instead, they are too busy with the childish bs calling me the most bizarre poster on the board all while their cult leader is creating disaster after disater daily.
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They "did not want to influence the vote".
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/04/26/what-lies-beneath
The economic report released last week by Health and Human Services, which indicated that President Barack Obama's health care "reform" law would actually increase the cost of health care and impose higher costs on consumers, had been submitted to the office of HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius more than a week before the Congressional votes on the bill, according to career HHS sources, who added that Sebelius's staff refused to review the document before the vote was taken.
"The reason we were given was that they did not want to influence the vote," says an HHS source. "Which is actually the point of having a review like this, you would think."
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I and other posted out the lies at the time yet the brain dead dolts hopped on the Hope & Change train for another ride.
Freaking fools.
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BUMP FOR ANYONE WHO SUPPORTED OBAMACARE.
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They "did not want to influence the vote".
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/04/26/what-lies-beneath
The economic report released last week by Health and Human Services, which indicated that President Barack Obama's health care "reform" law would actually increase the cost of health care and impose higher costs on consumers, had been submitted to the office of HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius more than a week before the Congressional votes on the bill, according to career HHS sources, who added that Sebelius's staff refused to review the document before the vote was taken.
"The reason we were given was that they did not want to influence the vote," says an HHS source. "Which is actually the point of having a review like this, you would think."
Crappy healthcare coverage, death panels, and increased premiums that will cost a bazillion dollars.......NOW, WHO WOULDN'T VOTE FOR THAT???
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Where are Benny, 240, Blacken, Mons, and Straw now?
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This is motherfucking shameful.
It's shameful that the government would actually do what the Healthcare companies do.
I'm very disappointed by this... Now... Who to vote for in 2012. :/
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They promised they would not due this no TU?
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They did... and for them to change their tunes and effectively LIE about THIS... Fuck 'em.
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well it was in the bill if any of you had read it, i am sure benny 240 mons straw blacken and many more didnt either, but they defend it. how do you defend something you know nothing about.
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Every stupid fucking C^& on this board who fought with me over this needs to eat shit and die.
Didn't support the bill, but I did argue this with you. And, I'm not going to die! Wait...does that mean I have to eat...?
In all seriousness 33, this is just a push. We had it with private insurances, we'll have it with Uncle Sam. Nobody gets a blank check - private or public. At some point, a group, committee, team, or whatever will have to decide what's covered and what's not. Call them death panels or health selection commissions, or whatever - it is a necessity.
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come on skip8282 your raining on the stupid parade :D :D :D :D
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Where are Benny, 240, Blacken, Mons, and Straw now?
Did you miss the 1500 times I said I don't support Obamacare?
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Did you miss the 1500 times I said I don't support Obamacare?
I sure did.
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I sure did.
they were eclipsed by his constant silverlining for the bill... ;)
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they were eclipsed by his constant silverlining for the bill... ;)
Aha, like a needle in the haystack type of thing!
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Aha, like a needle in the haystack type of thing!
yesh yesh ;D
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Didn't support the bill, but I did argue this with you. And, I'm not going to die! Wait...does that mean I have to eat...?
In all seriousness 33, this is just a push. We had it with private insurances, we'll have it with Uncle Sam. Nobody gets a blank check - private or public. At some point, a group, committee, team, or whatever will have to decide what's covered and what's not. Call them death panels or health selection commissions, or whatever - it is a necessity.
Sorry Skip, but the exacxt opposite was said in support of this bill and obama and all the other supporters of obamacare said this wopuld never happen.
Were they lying like I said they were from day 1?
Was Palin correct in her assessment?
The answer is thgat Palin was correct and that obama lied through his teeth like I said he was and no amount of rationizing it after the fact justifies the lies that were told to pass this pofs bill 63% want repealed asap.
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as crazy as glen beck is he was correct on rationing too , wonder what all the people that called him just a fear monger have to say now?
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You should have been here foer the health care debates!
Sarah was trashed to no ebnd over death panels and in the end she was right, and now, the apologists like blacken say its no big deal that there will be rationing, even though obama promised, along with all the dems, that rationing was not part of this in any way.
I posted endlessly on this aspect alone and was attacked for fear mongering and making shit upo. Who is the fool now?
The dolts will follow obama off a cliff.
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i am sure sarah was people hate her cause she tells it like it is and most of the time can prove what she is talking about, liberal women hate her cause she is hot and their hubbies want to do her, i just wish her voice wasnt so high pitched lol, i met her in person in seatle she has very good ideas and constitutional views and is super hot in person
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general electric news could never realy dis prove anything her or glen has ever said, hell glen asks a bunch of questions and asks to be proved wrong but they cant. so they just name call and make fun of them. And the un american assholes at general electric news who made fun of palins baby should be banned from t.v., did they realy think that was journalism or news? gmafb
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I called this from day one and all the kneepadding libs told me I was wrong. Notice how now even Blacken, the biggest shill of them all, now has to concede obamacare is premised upon rationing and now says its ok?
This is what I'm talking about when I call obama voters CULTISTS and Obama their Cult leader.
They will follow this jerk off a cliff no questions EVER asked.
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(http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy172/ostracon321/death-panel.jpg)
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I called this from day one and all the kneepadding libs told me I was wrong. Notice how now even Blacken, the biggest shill of them all, now has to concede obamacare is premised upon rationing and now says its ok?
This is what I'm talking about when I call obama voters CULTISTS and Obama their Cult leader.
They will follow this jerk off a cliff no questions EVER asked.
In other words......
http://prolifik-one.com/2010/05/03/the-boondocks-season-3-will-i-am-featuring-thugnificent-dick-riding-obama/ (http://prolifik-one.com/2010/05/03/the-boondocks-season-3-will-i-am-featuring-thugnificent-dick-riding-obama/)
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In other words......
http://prolifik-one.com/2010/05/03/the-boondocks-season-3-will-i-am-featuring-thugnificent-dick-riding-obama/ (http://prolifik-one.com/2010/05/03/the-boondocks-season-3-will-i-am-featuring-thugnificent-dick-riding-obama/)
I watch that show every week and that episode is absolutely correct!
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there should have been major red flags thrown up about this bill when Pelosi said ( if you wana know whats in the bill then you will just have to vote for it and pass it to find out) . At that point if you didnt know you were being lied to you are just stupid!!!
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I watch that show every week and that episode is absolutely correct!
Someone showed me that about a month ago, and it had me in STITCHES. As, shall we say, politically incorrect as that parody is, it's DEAD ON THE MONEY. Every time 333386 refers to some of our fellow GetBig brethren as "kneepadders", that song immediately pops into my head....especially with reference to Blacken and Benny!!!
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Sorry Skip, but the exacxt opposite was said in support of this bill and obama and all the other supporters of obamacare said this wopuld never happen.
Were they lying like I said they were from day 1?
Was Palin correct in her assessment?
The answer is thgat Palin was correct and that obama lied through his teeth like I said he was and no amount of rationizing it after the fact justifies the lies that were told to pass this pofs bill 63% want repealed asap.
Of course they've been lying about it since day 1. And you and I have pointed out that many of the clowns supporting the bill, haven't even read a page from it and continue to argue numbers they haven't even studied.
But, I'm trying to tell you that this aspect of the bill is just a push. We had rationing before, we'll have rationing in the future. Neither the gov't nor private business can afford to give everybody a blank check. Palin was dead on with her assessment, but she's being misleading because private insurance companies have their own "death panels" that make these decisions.
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Yes but the issue is that people who have paid in their entire lives through taxes are going to car care rationed to pay for deadbeats who never paid taxes and dont deserve shit.
That's my beef with it.
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Obama’s Nominee to Run Medicare: ‘Please Don’t Put Your Faith in Market Forces’
CNSNews ^ | May 24, 2010 | Matt Cover
CNSNews.com) – Dr. Donald Berwick, nominated by President Barack Obama to head the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), the agency that runs Medicare, published an article in the British Medical Journal (BMJ), advising leaders of Britain’s socialized health care system: “Please don’t put your faith in market forces.”
The article, published in the July 26, 2008 issue of the BMJ, compared the U.S. health care system unfavorably to the British system, which Berwick said he was “romantic about.”
The article included a list of 10 suggestions for Britain’s National Health Service (NHS). One of these suggestions was:
“Please don’t put your faith in market forces [emphasis in original]. It’s a popular idea: that Adam Smith’s invisible hand would do a better job of designing care than leaders with plans can. I find little evidence that market forces relying on consumers choosing among an array of products, with competitors fighting it out, leads to the healthcare system you want and need. In the U.S., competition is a major reason for our duplicative, supply driven, fragmented care system.”
Berwick also outlined his 10 suggestions for Britain’s National Health Service at a speech he delivered in Wembley, England, on July 1, 2008. In the speech, Berwick said that the health care choices made by “leaders” will be better than the choices that individuals make for themselves.
“I cannot believe that the individual health care consumer can enforce through choice the proper configurations of a system as massive and complex as health care. That is for leaders to do,” Berwick said.
Berwick delivered his speech and wrote his article to commemorate the 60th birthday of Britain’s single-payer, government-run health-care system. In his article, in wishing the system “happy birthday,” he urged the British to keep going with their system because the world needed “an example at scale of a health system that is universal, accessible, excellent, and free at the point of care.”
"The only sentiment I feel for the NHS that exceeds my admiration is my hope," said Berwick. "I hope you will never, ever give up on what you have begun. I hope you realise and reaffirm how badly you need—how badly the world needs—an example at scale of a health system that is universal, accessible, excellent, and free at the point of care—a health system that, at its core, is like the world we wish we had: generous, hopeful, confident, joyous, and just. Happy birthday."
Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), who serves on the Senate Finance Committee, which has oversight over Berwick’s nomination, told CNSNews.com that he believes Berwick misunderstands the American health care system.
“What we have in the U.S. doesn't even approach a real functioning competitive market for health care," Senator Roberts said. “The government is currently the number one purchaser of health care, so government policy already greatly distorts the market shifting costs around and hiding them from consumers. This has led to a tremendous disconnect between the consumer and the purchaser--the very connection that market forces rely upon to increase quality and decrease costs."
"Nobody spends someone else's money as carefully as they spend their own," said Roberts, "and that's what we've seen happening over the last several decades as the government pays for more and more care.”
Roberts noted that Berwick’s “avid support for the rationing system” in Great Britain makes him a candidate to carry out a similar system here in the United States now that President Obama’s national health care plan has been enacted.
“Obamacare will take on payment responsibility for a whole new class of Americans and, predictably, the Administration is searching for ways to contain their newly acquired costs,” said Roberts. “Rationing of health care will be their plan, and Donald Berwick's avid support for the rationing system of the United Kingdom make him the perfect person to implement the plan in the US,” he said.
In a 2009 interview with Biotechnology Healthcare, Berwick said the United States needed to face the inevitability of rationing with “open eyes.”
“The decision is not whether or not we will ration care--the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open,” he said.
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Every stupid fucking C^& on this board who fought with me over this needs to eat shit and die.
I love how you teabaggers take a single line out of an interview and then wet your pants over it with irrational fear:
here's the entire interview where that single line came from.
This will probably scare you so much you'll go running home to hide under your bed:
Q: Critics of CER have said that it
will lead to the rationing of healthcare.
A: We can make a sensible social
decision and say, “Well, at this
point, to have access to a particular
additional benefit [new drug or
medical intervention] is so expensive
that our taxpayers have better
use for those funds.” We make those
decisions all the time. The decision
is not whether or not we will ration
care — the decision is whether we
will ration with our eyes open. And
right now, we are doing it blindly.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799075/pdf/bth06_2p035.pdf
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have you read the bill straw? not quotes and clips i mean the actual printed bill?
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have you read the bill straw? not quotes and clips i mean the actual printed bill?
nope
I have read some parts of the banking and finance legislation and I'm not happy about it
if you've got some salient info on healthcare legislation then spill it
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nope
I have read some parts of the banking and finance legislation and I'm not happy about it
if you've got some salient info on healthcare legislation then spill it
What dont you like about the fin reg bill?