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The leaders of Coptic Christians, whose community is facing growing persecution in Egypt, say they have been unsuccessful in efforts to gain a hearing from the White House or other parts of the Obama administration.
Heightened persecution of Egypt’s 12 million Christians coupled with growing power and prestige of their Coptic Diaspora in America and Australia is leading to new political efforts here. Educated and skilled Egyptian Copts who migrated in large numbers in recent decades are talking to Congress, organizing lobbies, and making other efforts to be heard.
They say they are frustrated by the current administration in Washington, particularly after President Obama’s overture to the Muslim world via a speech at Cairo. In the speech Mr. Obama President apologized for America’s misdeeds to Muslims, stating that he came “to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world.” Coptic leaders say that even while reaching out to Muslims the administration has turned a deaf ear to the pleas Arab Christian minority in the very country where he delivered his apology to Muslims.
“The Obama administration’s benign neglect of Arab Christians, is putting freedoms and human rights in the whole Middle East at risk,” is the way it was put in an interview with the Sun by the president of the U.S. Copts Association, Michael Meunier, who is headquartered in Washington “Friendships with Muslims has been the Obama Administration’s opening theme from his first day in office and in that famed Cairo speech in which he extended a hand to all Muslims in partnership.”
Mr. Meunier added that that the president’s failure to speak as extensively about the persecution of Arab Christians was a departure from American policy and a grave error. “We have no problems with American friendships with Islam and Muslims, but it cannot be accomplished at the expense of our rights as Egyptian Christians and Arab Christians, and as the very lives of our people there are endangered,” Mr. Meunier told the Sun.
One area of complaint by the Copt community is a law banning the repair or construction of churches without a “presidential decree.” The measure, known as the Hamayuni Law, is based on an 1856 Ottoman decree but was rarely enforced in Egypt under the monarchial dynasty overthrown by army officers in 1952.
Indeed, until the coup that put Gamal Abdel Nasser in power in 1952, Christian communities in Egypt — including Catholics, Protestants, Armenians, Greeks and Italians in addition to the Copts — enjoyed a climate of moderate Islam as the country westernized itself.
Because Christianity in Egypt is so ancient, preceding Islam by seven centuries, the country is a repository of multiple centuries-old churches, part of its international cultural heritage. As attractions for tourists, they rival the Pharos heritage. Those churches benefit somewhat as tourist sites, getting a measure of protection by the state. Elsewhere in Egypt, smaller, ordinary churches are burning. Because of the Hamayuni Law, the churches that are attacked or burned down remain gone.
Copts say they are down to 2,524 churches now, down from more than 3,000 churches in the early 1950s. The bigger problem is not only that of systematic destruction of churches but the inability to replace the losses and build more to keep up with the normal growth of the Christian population.
The squeeze has become bad enough that Copts have often have to travel far distances outside of their towns for religious services for baptism, marriage, funerals, and regular mass.
Since 1971 only 37 “presidential decrees” were issued to build new churches and a further 34 decrees for menial repairs or refurbishments, including absurd things like replacing broken windows, across all of Egypt.
Both the regimes of Presidents Al Sadat and Mubarak revived the Hamayuni Law, refusing or ignoring applications by Christians to repair, rebuild or erect churches. Egypt’s parliament, which is led by Mr. Mubarak’s National Party, has refused multiple proposals to write off the law or cancel it. Christian landowners need official permits to build a church. Muslims, by contrast, need no such permissions from the state, the presidency, or the government to build mosques anywhere in Egypt.
As a result, thousands new mosques, some starting as nothing more than storefront shops, have been established over the past 30 years. Most were funded with Saudi money. As the expansion of Islamic houses of prayer proceeds in Egypt , Christians there remain frozen in place.
Sectarian outbursts, which always end up in attacks on churches, are diminishing their numbers. Nagaa Hamadi is close to Luxor the fabled capital of ancient Egypt where several dynasties of Pharos ruled, a place replete with splendid ancient sites and a region of the Deep Nile Valley South, where millions of Coptic Christians live and work as merchants, landowners and businessmen.
Attacks on those Coptic Christians and their shops in Luxor, as well as in major cities like Cairo and Alexandria, are now monthly occurrences. Their employees are mugged, robbed, stabbed, and occasionally shot and killed, while their establishments are damaged or destroyed. The Islamists’ objective is to drive Copts out of the business of tourism and commerce,
That objective is voiced openly by advocates of the Moslem Brotherhood, who voice the ambition in weekly sermons, as well as over the airwaves by such broadcasters as the Qatari Al Jazeera and the Suadi Al Arabia television networks. Both networks keep a large contingent of reporters in Cairo and carry a stream of anti-Christian speeches and news programming. Anti-Christian exhortations are far from discreet; they are made openly on loud speakers in mosques on Fridays across Egypt, even in Christian neighborhoods.
Imams routinely urge Muslims to boycott Christians in business and social gatherings, cross the street to avoid mingling with them, refrain from shaking hands with them, or joining them in business ventures.
Much of this is reported and written about in the press, including in the government owned Al Ahram, the largest Arab daily newspaper, which has a contingent of liberal writers. The Coptic church routinely files complaints to the police. Yet to date, such complaints have been largely ignored. The government has been either unable, or unwilling, to challenge, stop, or question radical imams.
Luxor itself came to the world’s attention in November 1997, but only when Islamists massacred 62 Swiss tourists in a bloody attack. The ongoing dispossession and massacres of thousands of Egyptian Christians in and around the rest of Egypt, has yet to receive much attention, while the government dismisses each attack as an “individual incident.”
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/coptic-christians-voicing-frustration-with-white/86971/
Hahah, tolerant indeed! Funny how many Muslim countries restrict or criminalize the building of non-Muslim houses of worship. And yet we in the West are the intolerant ones. Fucking disgusting double standard.
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How is this remotely close to trolling, braindead Obamabot? ::)
I'll take that response to mean that you're incapable of refuting this.
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Oh the anti-islam trolling you procure in is rather amusing. Simple minded that you are, i don't expect you to stop. Pity really it's always better when trolls are not present. I guess we just have to put up with you and samson.
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Oh the anti-islam trolling you procure in is rather amusing. Simple minded that you are, i don't expect you to stop. Pity really it's always better when trolls are not present. I guess we just have to put up with you and samson.
Ahh, so posting news stories is considered trolling now? What a sad and pathetic individual you are. Although, you fit the far-left liberal description to a T with your belief that free speech deserves to be oppressed.
Christians are being persecuted all over the Middle East. A group is petitioning Obama for an audience and he, in his grand quest to appease every "tolerant" Muslim that he can, is continually ignoring them. Funny how anytime Muslims claim "intolerance" and "oppression" it's front page news and yet this takes a back seat.
You were a joke before but I definitely can't take you seriously now. You should get back to ignorantly whining about assault rifles.
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Another great thread by BF. Another uber lib trying to get people to look the other way - big surprise. ::)
IMO, they're essentially trying to pull this same shit throughout Europe. Funding the building of mosque after mosque after mosque. Fortunately some European countries are starting to fight back, but they still need more of a spine.
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LMFAO you're bumping a thread that contradicts the first sentence of one of your earlier rant-threads from today, try to keep track maybe? :-\
http://mrctv.org/blog/president-obama-future-must-not-belong-those-who-slander-prophet-islam
"The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt..."
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Lol. Day late and a dollar short
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how exactly is it the POTUS job to comment on a particular christian sect in Egypt or anywhere else
he is not the head of their religion or part of their church
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how exactly is it the POTUS job to comment on a particular christian sect in Egypt or anywhere else
he is not the head of their religion or part of their church
Yet obama goes out of his way many times to denounce a traler to a video no one has seen that has been on the web since june.
Case closed. Thank you.
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Yet obama goes out of his way many times to denounce a traler to a video no one has seen that has been on the web since june.
Case closed. Thank you.
what case
the case of you being an idiot
Obama and the State Department gave the standard issue condemnation of violence whenever the fundie nutbags act up
Nothing new - every admininstration does the same thing in similar circumstances
no apologies were issued
if you want to know what an apology looks like you need to go back to Bush when he apologized for American soldiers shooting the Koran
Bush's spokeswoman said Tuesday that the president apologized during a videoconference Monday with Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who told the president that the shooting of Islam's holy book had disappointed and angered both the Iraqi people and their leaders.
"He apologized for that in the sense that he said that we take it very seriously," White House press secretary Dana Perino said. "We are concerned about the reaction. We wanted them to know that the president knew that this was wrong."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/20/bush-apologizes-to-iraqi_n_102643.html
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what case
the case of you being an idiot
Obama and the State Department gave the standard issue condemnation of violence whenever the fundie nutbags act up
Nothing new - every admininstration does the same thing in similar circumstances
no apologies were issued
if you want to know what an apology looks like you need to go back to Bush when he apologized for American soldiers shooting the Koran
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/20/bush-apologizes-to-iraqi_n_102643.html
Where was obama denouncing the deaths of the christians by the fanatics?
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Obama will always back his own. He's a Muslim through and through and if anyone believes otherwise is more naive than I expected.
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Obama won't denounce "Piss Christ" but he'll furiously denounce a fucking 10 minute youtube video. The guy's a fucking loser.
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Obama is not a muslim holy hell... you guys are so out of date on information.
Did any administration appologize for this:
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Obama won't denounce "Piss Christ" but he'll furiously denounce a fucking 10 minute youtube video. The guy's a fucking loser.
You mean the trailer to the video no one has ever seen that has been on the web since june? ;D ;D ;D
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Madonna disagrees
Obama is not a muslim holy hell... you guys are so out of date on information.
Did any administration appologize for this:
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You mean the trailer to the video no one has ever seen that has been on the web since june? ;D ;D ;D
That's the one. He and Hillary are playing a game of "Which Vagina Can Grovel the Most?"
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Fury/Shockwave/3333/scum:
Title is wrong its afghanistan
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love it/ That third one was epic
Obama is not a muslim holy hell... you guys are so out of date on information.
Did any administration appologize for this:
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Where was obama denouncing the deaths of the christians by the fanatics?
Obama has denounced violence many many times just like every other POTUS
why exact reason should he have issued a statement about this particular incident
did it involve american or an american embassy?
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Obama has denounced violence many many times just like every other POTUS
why exact reason should he have issued a statement about this particular incident
did it involve american or an american embassy?
LOL - same when obama ignored the hangings of all the iranian students?
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love it/ That third one was epic
Does anyone find a mental contradiction and deficiency with this drone/bot named 333386?
He is angry that Muslims are backlashing at decades of humiliation and attacks. I do not condone any attack of Christians as Islam forbids us this. But the reality on the ground. People are getting violent and emotional in response to what has been done for decades.
You are creating enemies and creating enmity. People coexisted peacefully in Iraq under Saddam for instance. Muslim and Christian.
You are creating 'terrorists' those you hate for fighting you back. You are the greatest terrrorist the planet has ever known.
You find it 'cool' that a mosque is being blown up by US soldiers? You're a bunch of cursed hypocrite men.
You are the one that's creating threats and fear everywhere in the US and elsewhere.
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I live in NYC. I have seen enough of the muslim shit for 100 lifetimes. You are all scum
Does anyone find a mental contradiction and deficiency with this drone/bot named 333386?
He is angry that Muslims are backlashing at decades of humiliation and attacks. I do not condone any attack of Christians as Islam forbids us this. But the reality on the ground. People are getting violent and emotional in response to what has been done for decades.
You are creating enemies and creating enmity. People coexisted peacefully in Iraq under Saddam for instance. Muslim and Christian.
You are creating 'terrorists' those you hate for fighting you back. You are the greatest terrrorist the planet has ever known.
You find it 'cool' that a mosque is being blown up by US soldiers? You're a bunch of cursed hypocrite men.
You are the one that's creating threats and fear everywhere in the US and elsewhere.
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333 doesn't give a rats ass about Christian or Muslims or anyone else and he LOVES violence (except when it's happening to someone near him and then he shits his pants)
His only purpose is in life seems to be to criticize Obama and it makes no difference to him if he has to contradict himself in order to do so
bottom line - this board is the only place where this delusion mental patient can find an audience because other boards see him for what he is and cut him off almost immediately (this is by 333's own admission)
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I already suggested once that he may be a MK ULTRA experiment ;D
We just need to find his secret hidden trigger that will make him self destruct lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
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333 doesn't give a rats ass about Christian or Muslims or anyone else and he LOVES violence (except when it's happening to someone near him and then he shits his pants)
His only purpose is in life seems to be to criticize Obama and it makes no difference to him if he has to contradict himself in order to do so
bottom line - this board is the only place where this delusion mental patient can find an audience because other boards see him for what he is and cut him off almost immediately (this is by 333's own admission)
LOL
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I already suggested once that he may be a MK ULTRA experiment ;D
We just need to find his secret hidden trigger that will make him self destruct lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
he's nothing more than you run of the mill, as of yet, undiagnosed mental patient
his life is shit and he lives in the ghetto and HE KNOWS this is his how he will spend the rest of his life and instead of doing something to make his life better he's decided to bitch and moan and blame on his failures in life on someone else and project his self hatred outward on everyone that he perceives to be better than him (which is virtually everyone)
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he's nothing more than you run of the mill, as of yet, undiagnosed mental patient
his life is shit and he lives in the ghetto and HE KNOWS this is his how he will spend the rest of his life and instead of doing something to make his life better he's decided to bitch and moan and blame on his failures in life on someone else and project his self hatred outward on everyone that he perceives to be better than him (which is virtually everyone)
LOL Thanks doc hope and change
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LOL Thanks doc hope and change
nothing you haven't heard before and I doubt anything will change until the unfortunate day when you snap and do something stupid
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nothing you haven't heard before and I doubt anything will change until the unfortunate day when you snap and do something stupid
LOL coming from an obama slave