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Chiefs of Navy, Army, Air Force, and Marines Oppose DADT Repeal
the weekly standard ^ | 5/27/10 | John McCormack
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The heads of the Army, Marines, Air Force, and Navy oppose the current amendment to repeal "don't ask, don't tell." Senator John McCain's office just released letters from the chiefs of the armed services, as well as a statement from the senator urging Congress to let the military complete its study before taking legislative action.
“I cannot over emphasize the importance of completing the comprehensive review prior to taking any legislative action," says McCain. "Our military is currently engaged in two wars and we need to have a true assessment of the impact of repealing ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’ on battlefield effectiveness prior to taking any legislative action. We must remain focused on what is in the best interest of our service men and women and not simply fulfill a campaign promise.”
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Wake up you morons, Barry needs the gullible, cultish, sycophantic LGBT vote and their $ $ $.
Do you guys think Communist-in-Chief gives a damn about what the military wants?
No! its about lining up the twinks' wallets for anal rape prior to November.
and like the gullible fools they are, their wallets, like other other things, will open wide for whatever Barry jams up their asses.
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The interesting part about this is that a number of gays don't seem to be happy about this "compromise" bill, either.
Congress Set for Landmark Vote on Lifting Military Gay Ban
WASHINGTON -- Congress is headed toward landmark votes on whether to allow gays to serve openly in the military.
The House of Representatives was expected to vote as early as Thursday on a proposal by Rep. Patrick Murphy, a Democrat who served in the Iraq war, that would repeal the 1993 law known as "don't ask, don't tell."
The legislation -- a compromise struck with the White House and agreed to by the Defense Department -- would give the military as much time as it wants before lifting the ban.
Under the bill, the president, defense secretary and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff must first certify that the new policy won't hurt the military's ability to fight.....
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/27/congress-readies-landmark-vote-militarys-gay-ban/?test=latestnews#content (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/27/congress-readies-landmark-vote-militarys-gay-ban/?test=latestnews#content)
If this is the nuts and bolts of it, the proposal is effectively nothing but a glorified permission slip.
With that being the case, is a repeal (assuming this mess passes) uniform across the DoD board? Or, does each branch get to decide how, when, or IF (the point of angst with the homos) DADT gets repealed within its ranks?
We would conceivably have the Army allow open gays; but the Navy keep DADT. Or the Air Force allow them; but the Marines not.
And, I believe the law (if passed) gets reviewed periodically, as it has to be authorized by the President, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Sec. of Defense. That would mean that, should Obama get chucked from the White House 30 months from now, his replacement might not authorized a repeal.
That would be like the standards for bodyfat. The DoD maximum is 26% (for men). But, that's borderline. The individual branches have lower maxes. In the Navy, it's 22-23% (depending if you're under or over 40%). I believe it's 18% in the Marines. I'm not sure about the Army (it varies based on age, I think; but it ain't higher than 26%). HH6 will know better than I would.
Just as someone who passed Army weight/bodyfat standards may fail Marine weight/bodyfat standards, you could have an Army with open gays and and Navy without them (DADT, still in place).
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The twinks are being played for fools on this.
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As if Obama really cares what the branch chiefs think.
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The twinks are being played for fools on this.
Not necessarily!! Look at some of these left-winged sites. Then <<upon picking yourself off the floor, after laughing at the abundance of foolishness, posted there>>, you'll see that many are hardly impressed.
As stated earlier, this appears to give the military the authority to decide how (or IF) DADT gets repealed.
We know the left is trying to do something to appease the gays, before tits scheduled woodshed trip in November. That's the driving force for a vote this week.
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As if Obama really cares what the branch chiefs think.
Of course, he doesn't care. But, he'll get killed politically, if he tries to poke his chest out and demand a repeal.
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Of course, he doesn't care. But, he'll get killed politically, if he tries to poke his chest out and demand a repeal.
I wonder if he knows he's going to be a one-term president, so he's trying to ram as much down the American people's throats before the gig is up?
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How many gays are there really that thisa affects such that we should upset everyone and everything?
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I wonder if he knows he's going to be a one-term president, so he's trying to ram as much down the American people's throats before the gig is up?
The gig may be up in 5 months or so. That's another point of angst with the gays about this "compromise". Obama's successor could very easily reverse this mess (assuming it gets passed) and DADT is right back in full swing.
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If this passes then I assume they will all do the honorable thing and resign
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How many gays are there really that thisa affects such that we should upset everyone and everything?
I've read that the numbers of gays booted for violated DADT make up less than half a percent of discharges, overall.
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Chiefs of Navy, Army, Air Force, and Marines Oppose DADT Repeal
the way thats written is deceiving,their apposed to having it go to vote before their study is done they didn't say they were apposed to the repeal
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I've read that the numbers of gays booted for violated DADT make up less than half a percent of discharges, overall.
% of all discharges would obviously be very small
how about of % of involuntary discharges
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The gig may be up in 5 months or so. That's another point of angst with the gays about this "compromise". Obama's successor could very easily reverse this mess (assuming it gets passed) and DADT is right back in full swing.
I haven't been following polls/predictions for the Senate and House. Do you think there is going to be turnover in one or both?
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% of all discharges would obviously be very small
how about of % of involuntary discharges
HEEYYYYYYY looky there someone thinking analytically, maybe im getting through? ;D ;)
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Id like to hear from HH6 or another military personel....
As obama is deemed "commander and chief" would it be within his power to force the military to repeal DADT even if they didnt want to at that time?
not for nothing but just about everything this administration and congress has done has been underhanded and meant to get around procedure...so if he could technically force them to do so whether they wanted to or not then what the bill says doesnt really matter in regards to when its implemented.
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HEEYYYYYYY looky there someone thinking analytically, maybe im getting through? ;D ;)
Full of yourself much?
Just so there's no confusion you're still one of the most scatter brained and confused people on this board … but at least you have the potential to improve…unlike some others on here
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Full of yourself much?
Just so there's no confusion you're still one of the most scatter brained and confused people on this board … but at least you have the potential to improve…unlike some others on here
LOL bro i mean this with no disrespect but you are one of the most ignorant ppl ive talked to...not just on topics that would require simple research but on just general train of logical thought and where it leads...
that being said id be interested in the % of involuntary discharges as well I seriously doubt that its big a deal...Repeal of DADT isnt about keeping gays in the military its about letting gays openly serve in the military... ::)
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Chiefs of Navy, Army, Air Force, and Marines Oppose DADT Repeal
the way thats written is deceiving,their apposed to having it go to vote before their study is done they didn't say they were apposed to the repeal
That's what I thought, the text on the 1st post doesn't say they reject a DADT repeal, more like they warn against making a hurried decision before the matter is examined thoroughly and clear conclusions have been drawn, especially in the current circumstances.
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The Left will get their cock sucking way on this....because it doesn't affect them and they get to knock the military down a peg. Its ok...most of the assbags pushing this will never walk into a shower and see a dude blowing a dude. We gays in my unit...mostly lesbians, in fact all lesbians....less of a witch hunt for them. Since u can't prove it unless u see it, then they continue to serve.
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This is all about the twinks opening their wallets to donate $ to the democrats, not about allowing them open their assholes in the baracks.
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subscribed to read the whiny posts when it passes....
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And after this is done, lets see how many twinks rush to join the military. Not going to happen. This is a complete fucking joke meant to pander to the gullible niche group of the democrats who happen to send them tons of cash.
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Can someone please explain to me why this is even an issue? Don't ask don't tell shouldn't need to be an official policy, it should be a given...
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They are bypassing their own freaking plan to let the military do a study and give recommendations later in the year.
This is all about separating the twinks from their $ $ $ to the DNC just in time for November.
Suckers (Literally)
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seriously, who gives a flying fook if the brave person defending our nation and way of life, happens to prefer D or V.
I mean, shit... I could care less... whatever makes them happy. They're risking their skin - and people who aren't in the military are trying to tell them what's what...
Jeez, give it a break.
let them bang whoever they want. Hell, I think we should allow prostitution for soldiers so they can enjoy their free time a bit more when serving as well. Let them enjoy their time with whoever they want. I've never seen so many people who aren't serving, give a shit about legislating who a person can openly fck when in the military.
If the military was coming to your job and telling you who you can bang, that'd be one thing.
They're not. This issue is such a distraction for homophobic, closet cases who want to try to legislate what make the bulge in our pants tingle. Gimme a break.
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And after this is done, lets see how many twinks rush to join the military. Not going to happen. This is a complete fucking joke meant to pander to the gullible niche group of the democrats who happen to send them tons of cash.
again, you are accidently right. no twinks will join; just the biggest, meanest nastiest fags you've ever been afraid of; the kind that can kick your ass and tell you how to dress.
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Never thought about this, but it's a legit concern:
Perkins: Repealing 'don't ask, don't tell' threatens military chaplains
Posted: May 28th, 2010
From CNN's Kelly Marshall
(CNN) - Hours before the Senate Armed Services Committee passed a measure Thursday that would repeal "don't ask, don't tell," a group of pastors, priests and rabbis gathered in the Capitol to encourage lawmakers to retain the ban on gays in the military.
The group opened the press conference with prayer, asking for God to bless their efforts and to soften the hearts of senators and congressmen to their position.
Family Research Council President Tony Perkins, who co-sponsored the presser, said repealing "don't ask, don't tell" could undermine the religious liberties of those serving in the military, particularly military chaplains.
“You have over 200 sponsoring organizations that may be prevented from sponsoring chaplains because they hold orthodox Christian views that will be in conflict with what the military says is stated policy,” said Perkins.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/page/2/?fbid=54YJ106g8kS
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im all for letting the G.I.'s decide.
bring it down to a vote.
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im all for letting the G.I.'s decide.
bring it down to a vote.
perfect solution.
I wish we could have done that with:
1. women's voting
2. owning slaves
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Obama doesn't care what you think Webb.
'They should not have done this,' Dem says of DADT fast track
Posted: May 30th, 2010
From CNN Associate Producer Martina Stewart
'I was really disappointed in - in the way that this process was accelerated,' Sen. Webb told CNN.
Washington (CNN) – A leading Democratic voice on military affairs has criticized members of his own party for the hurried way in which congressional Democrats and the White House are pushing through the repeal of the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.
President Obama, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, have all stated their belief that the policy should be changed. In an effort to lay the groundwork to do away with “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” Gates and Mullen have commissioned a thorough survey of U.S. service members in order to ascertain how the force structure feels as a whole about having openly gay and lesbian members serving within their midst.
The results of the review will not be available until December but in an apparent acknowledgement that they may not have sufficient votes to support a repeal after this November’s midterms, the White House and Democrats on Capitol Hill moved forward last week with efforts to pass a law that would repeal the policy. The House approved the provision as part of a larger defense spending bill and the Senate Armed Services Committee also approved the measure. The legislation, if passed, would not take effect until the military’s internal review is completed; it also requires the president, Gates, and Mullen to sign off on the policy change.
Notwithstanding these measures intended to defer to the Pentagon, Sen. Jim Webb, D-Virginia, still faulted the legislative moves to fast track the repeal.
“I was really disappointed in - in the way that this process was accelerated. I was the only Democrat that voted against this in committee markup,” Webb said in an interview aired Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union.
Webb, himself a Vietnam veteran and a former Secretary of the Navy, sits on the Senate Armed Forces Committee and is the Chairman of the Armed Forces Personnel Subcommittee.
“I believe we had a process in place. And to preempt it in some ways, showed a disrespect for the people in the military,” Webb told CNN Chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley.
“They should not have done this,” Webb added.
Webb equivocated when asked whether he thought the move to repeal the Clinton-era policy smacked of politics in advance of this November’s midterm elections.
“There are a lot of people who feel very passionately about this. I think, you know, everyone can explain their own motivations. But for me, I just think it was a bad signal to the people in the military to do it this way.”
Webb described the votes last week on Capitol Hill as “the Congress jumping ahead of the process” set up by the Pentagon to study repealing the policy.
The Virginia Democrat was so adamant in his belief that the concerns of the military not be ignored that he refused to take a position on whether the policy ought to be repealed.
“I think we should listen to the military. We should hear from the military,” he told Crowley.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/30/they-should-not-have-done-this-dem-says-of-dadt-fast-track/?fbid=54YJ106g8kS#more-106418
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This nothing to do with the military and EVERYTHING to do with the dnc raising money from is usual group of gullible donors, the lgbt niche.
The DNC needs the twinks' cash for November mid terms and thats it.
Military be damned.
I'll bet not one damned pink pantied twink screaming about this will join the military even if they repeal DADT.
Its politics over all else.
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I wonder if he knows he's going to be a one-term president, so he's trying to ram as much down the American people's throats before the gig is up?
If that was the case, he could just go nuts with the executive orders. Then, no one could do anything. :)
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If that was the case, he could just go nuts with the executive orders. Then, no one could do anything. :)
Nah. EOs that conflict with existing law would never survive.
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This nothing to do with the military and EVERYTHING to do with the dnc raising money from is usual group of gullible donors, the lgbt niche.
The DNC needs the twinks' cash for November mid terms and thats it.
Military be damned.
I'll bet not one damned pink pantied twink screaming about this will join the military even if they repeal DADT.
Its politics over all else.
you got that right, babe; i'm not gonna enlist ! but it will be a hoot to see who does.
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So you prefer we make political points as opposed to what the troops themselves want and what will enable are fighting forces to be as effective as possible even knowning that many gays wont even join even if DADT is repealed?
And some of you wonder why I cant stand the gay lobby?
You have guys like HH6 and garebear out there with their lives on the line, in the mud and dirt and dodging bullets, and rather than adopting a policy that they feel is best for them, you prefer a policy solely intended to make political stunt regardless of the effect on the people actually serving?
Unfreaking real.
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The baby eating, self mutilation and nudist lobby is also pushing for the equal rights of it's members in the military during the next Congressional session. Apparently, the DADT policy harms them also.
WERE HERE- WERE QUEER- GET USED TO IT!
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The twinks dont even want to join!
This is all about destabilizing the military and raising cash for the democrats from the niche group of voters they claim to represent who donate an innordinate amount of cash to them.