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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: tstmaniac on May 30, 2010, 05:37:12 PM
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Iv been having some fucked up side effects after coming off gh...I was using 5ius a day for about a year now and I discontinued it just about two weeks ago..lately iv been getting tremors, feeling dizzy, brain feeling foggy..heart palpitations...I went to the ER and they told me my blood work was good and that my heart was good also..they didn't check my blood sugar tho and I'm thinkin it has something to do with insulin resistance or my thyroid? Has anyone else had any issues like this from prolonged growth use? I don't think this could be from AAS...anyways I'm gonna see another doctor this week but I'm pretty nervous because these symptoms can get pretty intense...I appreciate the feedback
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sounds like you are mildly hypo, are you eating enough?
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I was very strict with low carbs but now I'm taking in a lot more carbs so the sides aren't bad...this fucking sucks dude...hoping my hormones will bounce back soon
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Had the same problems last christmas, i went clean off everything, AAS and HGH, for 2 months, had tremors,dizzy,weak feeling, eating food made it go away,try eating as often as you can, it worked for me ;)
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How long did it take for the tremors,dizzy, weak feeling to go away?
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How long did it take for the tremors,dizzy, weak feeling to go away?
as long as i ate it went away, soon as i got the feeling i would eat something, after a few weeks i was fine
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Thanks bro I'm hoping this symptoms go away ASAP its fuckin scary at times
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honestly i had felt like that after a really hard AAS cycle
basicly what i was doing and stopped doing was
go from junk to clean food only while having a couple meals a day
from few cigarettes to none
drinking barely any water to atleast 4L a day
going from 5-6 hours sleep to 8-9
from eca to nothing (im back on though right now)
took a month off training and going back to 5 days
it took me a SOLID 2-3 months to recover and i haven't felt better ever since
take what you need from what i wrote and implement it to your situation.. gives you an idea
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It took you a solid 2 to 3 months to recover from feeling dizzy,weak, having tremors and heart palpitations? I came off everything except I'm cruising right now with 250mgs of test
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GH can mess with your body and cause this, might want to get your blood sugar checked. This might take a while to get back to normal.
If you are having dizzy spells you need to get your BS checked ASAP.
This has happen to quite a few people i know.
Good luck and keep us posted.
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Have you had a panic attack before?
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It took you a solid 2 to 3 months to recover from feeling dizzy,weak, having tremors and heart palpitations? I came off everything except I'm cruising right now with 250mgs of test
pretty much actually it took longer, i was broken up in january and only lately couple weeks i've been feeling like my normal self
when i stopped the cycle i had also broken up with my gf which made it worse....
depression is no laughing matter i was suicidal before..
i had no motivation, no energy, always tired, etc
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My blood sugar is in check...yes I believe I have had a panic attack during this cycle mayb because I was taking 800mgs of eq and suspected it was overdosed.I also did break up with my gf had a lot of shit goin on in my life..the problems really got bad when I stopped the growth hormone..all my blood tests come up good...overload what is a BS test? Hopefully I can bounce back from this soon cuz Iv been out of work because of how lethargic I feel
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overload what is a BS test?
blood sugar
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Yea I just got that checked out nd my thyroid is also good to go...I guess my body isn't producing growth hormone on its own...the sides are startin to get a little better but not thast much...I'm just going to wait it out nd see an endocrinologist at the end of the month...I def didn't expect this to happen after coming off...I'm goin to be on test and dbol for now nd bump the dosage back up once I feel better
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Yea I just got that checked out nd my thyroid is also good to go...I guess my body isn't producing growth hormone on its own...the sides are startin to get a little better but not thast much...I'm just going to wait it out nd see an endocrinologist at the end of the month...I def didn't expect this to happen after coming off...I'm goin to be on test and dbol for now nd bump the dosage back up once I feel better
Been using gh since 2002 and never had any of the syptoms you've described when I quit. Let me ask you AGAIN, why aren't you using peptides?
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I honestly thought those ghrp6 peptides or whatever its called were bullshit...i didnt really know much about them...im going to look into that for the next time i go on gh...my sides are starting to get better each day...you always used peptides when coming off gh?
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Been using gh since 2002 and never had any of the syptoms you've described when I quit. Let me ask you AGAIN, why aren't you using peptides?
The peptide market is unreliable. End of story.
If we could obtain legit peptides then I'm sure we could make a fair assessment. Until that time...
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Agreed
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I've got a few vials of GHRP-6 and I don't even think its worth cracking open a new vial of bacteriostatic water to be honest.
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I've got a few vials of GHRP-6 and I don't even think its worth cracking open a new vial of bacteriostatic water to be honest.
You're supposed to use it with a ghrh. G-6 alone isn't very potent.
GHRH (and analogs) + GHSs = a lot of synergistic growth hormone release
There is not a lot of deviation in the published studies on the effect of these peptides and the saturation dose needed to bring about the effect in normal people (who often act as a control group).
We need only to examine the results of the normal test subjects from three oft-cited studies that established the relevant protocol.
In the first study "Inhibition of growth hormone release after the combined administration of GHRH and GHRP-6 in patients with Cushing's syndrome", Alfonso Leal-Cerro..., Clinical Endocrinology 1994, 41 (5) , 649–654, three different peptide/peptide combinations were used.
GHRH was administered alone at 100mcg. This resulted in area under the curve (AUC) measured for 120 minutes of GH secretion of 1420 ± 330.
GHRP-6 was administered alone at 100mcg. This resulted in area under the curve (AUC) measured for 120 minutes of GH secretion of 2278 ± 290.
GHRH plus GHRP-6 was administered together at 100mcg each. This resulted in area under the curve (AUC) measured for 120 minutes of GH secretion of 7332 ± 592.
As a single dose these results show that GHRP-6 is about twice as effective as GHRH.
The synergy between GHRH & GHRP-6 is clearly evident as co-administration resulted in twice the benefit of the additive values of single doses of the two peptides.
The second study is the one that established the saturation dose for these peptides often used in other studies. "Growth hormone (GH)-releasing peptide stimulates GH release in normal men and acts synergistically with GH-releasing hormone ", CY Bowers..., J. Clin. Endocrinol. Metab., Apr 1990; 70: 975-982.
In that study GHRH at a dose of 1.0 microgram/kg was administered alone and then together with various doses of GHRP-6 (0.1, 0.3, and 1.0 microgram/kg). They found that the submaximal dosages of 0.1 and 0.3 microgram/kg GHRP-6 plus 1 microgram/kg GHRH did have the effect of stimulating GH release synergistically.
However the larger dose of 1 mcg/kg of GHRP-6 was found to be the saturation dose when used in combination w/ 1 mcg/kg of GHRH.
It is also noteworthy that serum prolactin and cortisol levels rose about 2-fold above base levels only at the 1 microgram/kg dose of GHRP-6 and not at the submaximal dosages.
The final study, "Preserved Growth Hormone (GH) Secretion in Aged and Very Old Subjects after Testing with the Combined Stimulus GH-Releasing Hormone plus GH-Releasing Hexapeptide-6", Micic D..., J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1998 Jul;83(7):2569-72 is fascinating for several reasons.
By reference to citation it is noted that "GHRH plus GHRP-6 (both at saturating dose) is nowadays considered the most potent stimulus of GH secretion in man being able to restore the GH secretion in states associated with chronic blockade of somatotroph activity.
**Credit to Datbtrue for this post and the research
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I honestly thought those ghrp6 peptides or whatever its called were bullshit...i didnt really know much about them...im going to look into that for the next time i go on gh...my sides are starting to get better each day...you always used peptides when coming off gh?
GH is a peptide and you use it don't you, but the others are bullshit?
Look at the red line on the graph obtained from the test subjects. Does that look like bullshit?
That spike in natural gh production is from the combination of ghrp + ghrh.
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Recently i've been reading a lot about peptides and you said that ghrp-6 isn't very potent by itself. How about when you combine it with low to average dose aas cycle and/or insulin. Isn't ghrp-6 supposed to spike hgh levels much higher when combined with slin and it must be synergistic with aas... Also there are legal supplements like Hemogex by VPX that contain ghrp-2 but are ment to be taken orally, taken orally it must break down and became useless, because of the stomach acids. They (vpx) say it has been "esterified" but this product must be BS. There have been guys who have injected it, but i have no idea what it, if anything it did for them, also currently there's cheaper "real injectable" peptides than the OTC hemogex... :) Any opinions on the above pray4surf ?
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Yea but the gh i get is made in a US compounding pharmacy...who makes these peptides?
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Yea but the gh i get is made in a US compounding pharmacy...who makes these peptides?
Yeah, who knows? The Chinese, well at least we are not injecting it... Oh wait... :)
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Recently i've been reading a lot about peptides and you said that ghrp-6 isn't very potent by itself. How about when you combine it with low to average dose aas cycle and/or insulin. Isn't ghrp-6 supposed to spike hgh levels much higher when combined with slin and it must be synergistic with aas... Also there are legal supplements like Hemogex by VPX that contain ghrp-2 but are ment to be taken orally, taken orally it must break down and became useless, because of the stomach acids. They (vpx) say it has been "esterified" but this product must be BS. There have been guys who have injected it, but i have no idea what it, if anything it did for them, also currently there's cheaper "real injectable" peptides than the OTC hemogex... :) Any opinions on the above pray4surf ?
I don't know anything about OTC supps with ghrp in it.
As far as using it with insulin, it seems to be money. I've never used slin so I can't comment on how to stack it with peps(injection timing and quantity).
Peps with aas is just like using gh, it needs to be in a androgenic environment to produce mass.
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Yea but the gh i get is made in a US compounding pharmacy...who makes these peptides?
You're right. 99% of the stuff out there is Chinese. I only know of one who carries US research grade peps.
At least it's easy to tell if your stuff is potent. If you're not hungry soon after a shot of ghrp6 due to gastric emptying, then you know your stuff is weak.
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Thanks for the kind response, pray4surf. I've run a couple of other peptides but it was discouraging. I fronted a huge cycle to a friend and he paid me back in peptides.. I was very discouraged. Read lots of dat's posts but they're honestly quite hard to comprehend unless you dedicate a lot of time.
Perhaps if I come across a reliable source I'll stack something else with this GHRP-6. I had a few vials of IGF-1 that I'm sure were complete bunk. It's just so discouraging. What compliments GHRP-6 well? And I'm not asking for you to provide me with sources, but are there even many reliable sources out there or will I need to do some hunting around?
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Thanks for the kind response, pray4surf. I've run a couple of other peptides but it was discouraging. I fronted a huge cycle to a friend and he paid me back in peptides.. I was very discouraged. Read lots of dat's posts but they're honestly quite hard to comprehend unless you dedicate a lot of time.
Perhaps if I come across a reliable source I'll stack something else with this GHRP-6. I had a few vials of IGF-1 that I'm sure were complete bunk. It's just so discouraging. What compliments GHRP-6 well? And I'm not asking for you to provide me with sources, but are there even many reliable sources out there or will I need to do some hunting around?
GHRP6,2,Ipa or Hex have to be used with a GHRH which is Modified GRF1-29.
As far as finding good peps, it can hit or miss with a lot of the sources. I had to order from 3 different ones to get to one the worked. Once reconstituted, it's only good for 30 days. The good thing though is you can freeze it unlike gh.
The one I had that worked was shipped with a cold pack. It seems that peps degrade easliy and are more sensitive than gh.
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tstmaniac did you fully recover?
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Yea im good to go...i dont think it was the gh now...i think i had problems with the EQ i was taking...it was some bad shit...three of my boys took the same brand and had the same problems...just taking 600mgs of test right now and feel great
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Yea im good to go...i dont think it was the gh now...i think i had problems with the EQ i was taking...it was some bad shit...three of my boys took the same brand and had the same problems...just taking 600mgs of test right now and feel great
I'm not sure how that could cause the problem you had. I'm not saying it couldn't but it would seem unlikely.
I think the problem was simple, you said you were on a strict lo carb diet and then added more carbs in and making a change like this, especially if it's drastic can cause the exact problem you're talking about. Your body becomes accustomed to the low carb diet and then when it's introduced to the higher carb diet it can reek havoc on your blood sugar. The best approach is to slowly add carbs back in.
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I'm not sure how that could cause the problem you had. I'm not saying it couldn't but it would seem unlikely.
I think the problem was simple, you said you were on a strict lo carb diet and then added more carbs in and making a change like this, especially if it's drastic can cause the exact problem you're talking about. Your body becomes accustomed to the low carb diet and then when it's introduced to the higher carb diet it can reek havoc on your blood sugar. The best approach is to slowly add carbs back in.
There you have it.
Welcome back my friend.
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AJ im gonna have to disagree because my blood sugar came back normal from my blood test...my two buddies didnt get heart palpatations but they were getting dizzy from the shit...and severe anxiety and panic attacks which we all didnt get from other brands
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AJ im gonna have to disagree because my blood sugar came back normal from my blood test...my two buddies didnt get heart palpatations but they were getting dizzy from the shit...and severe anxiety and panic attacks which we all didnt get from other brands
There is a word for it and right now I can't remember what it is to save my life but it refers to temporary blood sugar problems that wouldn't show up in your standard blood sugar test.
Question, you were all using the same EQ from the same brand? If so, then sure, it could be the brand you're using that is causing a problem but that's not to say it's EQ itself but rather the brand. Even so, those side effects sound very unlikely to be caused by EQ, again, I'm not saying it's impossible but unlikely. Were your buddies also coming off strict low carb diets?
Just trying to figure it out, even though I'm not a fan of EQ, I'm not a fan of much you have to buy from a UGL, I still have strong doubts it could have been the EQ. Besides, didn't you say this all started after you stopped your cycle?
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Yes we all used the same brand..the sides got really bad right when i came off of gh so i thought it was that..i was feelin sides the whole time i was on the eq and they got pretty intense for even 6 weeks after..my buddies dont diet like me and dont stay strict with low carbs
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I did go from stayin on real low carbs to eating massive amounts due to the increase in appetite and i started bulking...but again, why did my friends feel fucked up also...the theory you have can cause all the side effects i mentioned? Like heart palpatations and tremors?