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Title: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on June 01, 2010, 06:01:31 AM
I enjoy learning about, and experiencing other cultures (when it's my choice).  What I don't like though, is the way that we expect each other to accept and embrace everything under the sun, and that because of this, we're subjected to bullshit that we shouldn't have to be.

Comment please...


(opinions of non Americans *US Citizens* ignored)
I think what he means is that at every turn you have multiculturalism forced down your throat. Any objection, however benign, brands you as intolerant or a racist. Patriotism is a code word for ignorance and extremism.

Our schools teach the children in this country that America is bad, the founding fathers were evil and that terrorists are misunderstood freedom fighters. Religion and religious diversity is a bad thing (unless it's non Judeo-Christian, then it's wonderful) and our founding fathers intended for this country to be founded on atheist principals.

Cultural and moral relativism is a disease that infects the first world and brainwashes people into believing that nobody is better than anybody else and everybody is the best at everything. Tolerance in this country doesn't mean what is listed in the dictionary anymore. In the United States tolerance means the wholesale acceptance of everything that the adherents of the "Non Dominant Culture" follow without passing any judgments, (however obvious) on whether the actions or beliefs of the "Non Dominant" culture are correct, misguided, stupid or offensive.  
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 01, 2010, 06:18:14 AM
Its because we are suckers, dupes, fools, and on the road to national suicide. 

Eyeball, if you want proof of what I am talking about, just go look at the DADT thread.  Chad admits in there that gays probably will not join the military even if DADT is repealed and he does not cvare about the effect on the military, only that it makes a political point. 

 
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 08:59:50 AM
I enjoy learning about, and experiencing other cultures (when it's my choice).  What I don't like though, is the way that we expect each other to accept and embrace everything under the sun, and that because of this, we're subjected to bullshit that we shouldn't have to be.

Comment please...

(opinions of non Americans *US Citizens* ignored)

Can you give some examples of what you mean?
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: kcballer on June 01, 2010, 09:05:06 AM
I don't think i understand your statement there eyeball.  America is the way it is now because of 'other' cultures mixing and sharing and tolerating. 
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 01, 2010, 09:09:57 AM
We are supposed to be a melting pot, not a salad bowl.

I was out in the heat yesterday and some muslim woman was out there in a burqa looking miserable as her fat ass pofs husband was in flip flops and shorts smiling away. 

The woman looked miserable in that stupid thing.   
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: George Whorewell on June 01, 2010, 09:11:57 AM
I think what he means is that at every turn you have multiculturalism forced down your throat. Any objection, however benign, brands you as intolerant or a racist. Patriotism is a code word for ignorance and extremism.

Our schools teach the children in this country that America is bad, the founding fathers were evil and that terrorists are misunderstood freedom fighters. Religion and religious diversity is a bad thing (unless it's non Judeo-Christian, then it's wonderful) and our founding fathers intended for this country to be founded on atheist principals.

Cultural and moral relativism is a disease that infects the first world and brainwashes people into believing that nobody is better than anybody else and everybody is the best at everything. Tolerance in this country doesn't mean what is listed in the dictionary anymore. In the United States tolerance means the wholesale acceptance of everything that the adherents of the "Non Dominant Culture" follow without passing any judgments, (however obvious) on whether the actions or beliefs of the "Non Dominant" culture are correct, misguided, stupid or offensive.  
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Fury on June 01, 2010, 09:13:34 AM
I enjoy learning about, and experiencing other cultures (when it's my choice).  What I don't like though, is the way that we expect each other to accept and embrace everything under the sun, and that because of this, we're subjected to bullshit that we shouldn't have to be.

Comment please...

(opinions of non Americans *US Citizens* ignored)

There's only one demographic that is incapable of assimilating with the rest of the people in this country.  :)

I think what he means is that at every turn you have multiculturalism forced down your throat. Any objection, however benign, brands you as intolerant or a racist. Patriotism is a code word for ignorance and extremism.

Our schools teach the children in this country that America is bad, the founding fathers were evil and that terrorists are misunderstood freedom fighters. Religion and religious diversity is a bad thing (unless it's non Judeo-Christian, then it's wonderful) and our founding fathers intended for this country to be founded on atheist principals.

Cultural and moral relativism is a disease that infects the first world and brainwashes people into believing that nobody is better than anybody else and everybody is the best at everything. Tolerance in this country doesn't mean what is listed in the dictionary anymore. In the United States tolerance means the wholesale acceptance of everything that the adherents of the "Non Dominant Culture" follow without passing any judgments, (however obvious) on whether the actions or beliefs of the "Non Dominant" culture are correct, misguided, stupid or offensive.  

Well said as usual.

We are supposed to be a melting pot, not a salad bowl.

I was out in the heat yesterday and some muslim woman was out there in a burqa looking miserable as her fat ass pofs husband was in flip flops and shorts smiling away. 

The woman looked miserable in that stupid thing.   

The idea that their women are treated like garbage is a misunderstanding by us islamophobes.  ::)
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 01, 2010, 09:15:55 AM
There's only one demographic that is incapable of assimilating with the rest of the people in this country.  :)

Well said as usual.

The idea that their women are treated like garbage is a misunderstanding by us islamophobes.  ::)

My GF looked at me when we saw that lady and said "if you ever tried putting me in a burqa, you would quickly regret teaching me how to shoot your guns."


Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on June 01, 2010, 09:17:53 AM
We are supposed to be a melting pot, not a salad bowl.

I was out in the heat yesterday and some muslim woman was out there in a burqa looking miserable as her fat ass pofs husband was in flip flops and shorts smiling away. 

The woman looked miserable in that stupid thing.   

Best way to put it!
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Fury on June 01, 2010, 09:18:11 AM
My GF looked at me when we saw that lady and said "if you ever tried putting me in a burqa, you would quickly regret teaching me how to shoot your guns."




Haha, don't expect their women to act like that. Seems most of them are too brain dead to think that their lives are of value. Centuries of subjugating, beating, rape and murder have ingrained that thought process into their heads.
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on June 01, 2010, 09:19:00 AM
I think what he means is that at every turn you have multiculturalism forced down your throat. Any objection, however benign, brands you as intolerant or a racist. Patriotism is a code word for ignorance and extremism.

Our schools teach the children in this country that America is bad, the founding fathers were evil and that terrorists are misunderstood freedom fighters. Religion and religious diversity is a bad thing (unless it's non Judeo-Christian, then it's wonderful) and our founding fathers intended for this country to be founded on atheist principals.

Cultural and moral relativism is a disease that infects the first world and brainwashes people into believing that nobody is better than anybody else and everybody is the best at everything. Tolerance in this country doesn't mean what is listed in the dictionary anymore. In the United States tolerance means the wholesale acceptance of everything that the adherents of the "Non Dominant Culture" follow without passing any judgments, (however obvious) on whether the actions or beliefs of the "Non Dominant" culture are correct, misguided, stupid or offensive.  

That's exactly what I would have posted had I given it more time and thought!!! YES!
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 09:35:18 AM
I think what he means is that at every turn you have multiculturalism forced down your throat. Any objection, however benign, brands you as intolerant or a racist. Patriotism is a code word for ignorance and extremism.

Our schools teach the children in this country that America is bad, the founding fathers were evil and that terrorists are misunderstood freedom fighters. Religion and religious diversity is a bad thing (unless it's non Judeo-Christian, then it's wonderful) and our founding fathers intended for this country to be founded on atheist principals.

Cultural and moral relativism is a disease that infects the first world and brainwashes people into believing that nobody is better than anybody else and everybody is the best at everything. Tolerance in this country doesn't mean what is listed in the dictionary anymore. In the United States tolerance means the wholesale acceptance of everything that the adherents of the "Non Dominant Culture" follow without passing any judgments, (however obvious) on whether the actions or beliefs of the "Non Dominant" culture are correct, misguided, stupid or offensive.  

Can you show me where schools teach our children that our founding fathers were evil?

I agree about the ready branding of racism.  It's stupid. 
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: kcballer on June 01, 2010, 10:07:06 AM
Can you show me where schools teach our children that our founding fathers were evil?

I agree about the ready branding of racism.  It's stupid. 

I would think if that is indeed happening or has happened then it would be a minority view held by some radicals. 

It's all interpretation i don't think we should sugar coat the founding fathers either, they had flaws just like every one else.  To deny such things is foolish and perhaps someone teaching that to students has or is being labeled as teaching the founders as evil. 

In the grand scheme of things it's not like it matters much, history is forgotten by a lot of today's generation just as it will be forgotten by a lot of tomorrows generation. 
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 10:09:18 AM
GW said schools teach our children that the founding fathers were evil.  That's a pretty strong statement and if true, should be a very easy thing to show.  I want to know if that's happening.  Teaching children that they had flaws is not teaching they were evil. 
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: SAMSON123 on June 01, 2010, 10:12:43 AM
We are supposed to be a melting pot, not a salad bowl.

I was out in the heat yesterday and some muslim woman was out there in a burqa looking miserable as her fat ass pofs husband was in flip flops and shorts smiling away. 

The woman looked miserable in that stupid thing.   

How did you know what she looked like being that she was in a Burqua?    (http://picture.yatego.com/images/42e7774e343631.0/Afghanistan_Burka_schleier_Burqua__BURQA.jpg)


If they were tourist from the Middle East or Africa they can tolerate heat a lot more effectively than you in america as their temperatures reach into the near 150 degrees in the Sahara or the sands of Arabia
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: kcballer on June 01, 2010, 10:13:38 AM
GW said schools teach our children that the founding fathers were evil.  That's a pretty strong statement and if true, should be a very easy thing to show.  I want to know if that's happening.  Teaching children that they had flaws is not teaching they were evil. 

If it is happening it's a minority of students being taught it, and most likely they don't give a sh*t one way or another.  They aren't going to remember it 2 hours after class because they care more about whose dating who and just how to vote for the next American Idol.  Most likely just like their parents.  
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 01, 2010, 10:14:48 AM
The face was showing and she looked pissed off with sweat beading down.

Its horrible and her fat ass pofs husband was on his cell phone was about 10 feet in front of her.    
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: SAMSON123 on June 01, 2010, 10:26:21 AM
The face was showing and she looked pissed off with sweat beading down.

Its horrible and her fat ass pofs husband was on his cell phone was about 10 feet in front of her.    

Sooooooo...If she was in a string bikini and flip flops sweating like crazy and getting sun burned while other men made sexual comments on her shapely body and her fat ass piece of shit husband was on a cell phone 10 feet in front of her, would it have been different?
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Fury on June 01, 2010, 10:30:47 AM
Sooooooo...If she was in a string bikini and flip flops sweating like crazy and getting sun burned while other men made sexual comments on her shapely body and her fat ass piece of shit husband was on a cell phone 10 feet in front of her, would it have been different?

Move along, Muslim. This thread isn't about your propaganda and lies.  :)
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 10:34:43 AM
We are supposed to be a melting pot, not a salad bowl.

I was out in the heat yesterday and some muslim woman was out there in a burqa looking miserable as her fat ass pofs husband was in flip flops and shorts smiling away. 

The woman looked miserable in that stupid thing.   

What's your definition of both?

Melting pot:?

Salad bowl:?

As for the lady......  who gives a shit?  If that's what she wants to do, then let her.  Who cares?  that's what America is about isn't?  Dress how you want, worship how you want, say what you want.  right?
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 01, 2010, 10:47:30 AM
Seeing this woman it was plainly obvious she was NOT doing what she FREELY wanted to do. 

And a melting pot is what made this country what it is, not the salad bowl with every third world vermin culture coming here and demanding we respect their 3rd world jungle ways. 

   
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 10:53:38 AM
Seeing this woman it was plainly obvious she was NOT doing what she FREELY wanted to do. 

And a melting pot is what made this country what it is, not the salad bowl with every third world vermin culture coming here and demanding we respect their 3rd world jungle ways. 

   

Yes, she was.  If she decided not to wear what she was wearing she, by the laws of the USA, she didn't have to.   She chose to marry that guy and chooses to continue to do what he tells her. 

What do you mean "demanding respect"?
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on June 01, 2010, 10:55:14 AM
I use the sauna a few times a week. I bet I can go toe for tow with any African in the heat. LOL
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 01, 2010, 11:00:35 AM
Yes, she was.  If she decided not to wear what she was wearing she, by the laws of the USA, she didn't have to.   She chose to marry that guy and chooses to continue to do what he tells her. 

What do you mean "demanding respect"?

Ha ha ha.  Yeah right Ozmo.  Good try.  They have arranged marriages and those women step out of line they are beaten like dogs or worse. 
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 11:16:14 AM
Ha ha ha.  Yeah right Ozmo.  Good try.  They have arranged marriages and those women step out of line they are beaten like dogs or worse. 

But in AMERICA,  she is free to leave.  And if she gets beat up the husband is charged with assault and is NOT protected by the law as he would be in another country.

You act as if they are not subject to our laws in favor of their customs.  NO WAY.  So i don't know what you are talking about.  In the end, in this country she can CHOOSE if she wants.
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 11:17:55 AM
And i ask again,  how exactly are these people demanding respect?  Are they demanding they can beat up their wives without getting charged with assault?
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Fury on June 01, 2010, 11:23:37 AM
But in AMERICA,  she is free to leave.  And if she gets beat up the husband is charged with assault and is NOT protected by the law as he would be in another country.

You act as if they are not subject to our laws in favor of their customs.  NO WAY.  So i don't know what you are talking about.  In the end, in this country she can CHOOSE if she wants.

There are many documented instances of Muslim women in the western world having absolutely no clue of the rights that are afforded them. France denied a Muslim woman citizenship a few years ago because she was so ignorant of the rights she was afforded because her Muslim husband literally kept her locked in their house. She didn't even know that she was allowed to leave her house without a male present, that she didn't have to wear the full veil nor did she have any idea about the other rights the French constitution alloted her.

The full veil is, has been, and will continue to be nothing more than a tool used to subjugate women. And most Muslim women wouldn't wear it if they didn't have to.

Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: George Whorewell on June 01, 2010, 11:31:22 AM
But in AMERICA,  she is free to leave.  And if she gets beat up the husband is charged with assault and is NOT protected by the law as he would be in another country.

You act as if they are not subject to our laws in favor of their customs.  NO WAY.  So i don't know what you are talking about.  In the end, in this country she can CHOOSE if she wants.

Can a teenage girl being forced to have a circumscision CHOOSE to run to the authorities in America and leave her parents. Of course. But then she will be alinated by her entire family, placed in foster care and end up leading a pretty shitty life--- and that's if shes lucky and her parents don't somehow regain custody. Can a subjegated and abused woman briainwashed by fanatics CHOOSE to leave her husband in America? Sure. If he doesn't kill her in the process before, during or after her departure. If she doesn't mind being ostracized by her family, her community and her friends. If there is the issue of children that complicates things further. And, as in most cases where a woman wears a Burqa, chances are she has no education, no skills, no job experience and nothing to offer an employer- so chances are she is financially dependant on her husband as well.


Choice doesn't mean anything if you are incapable of utilizing the alternative toward anything meaningful. What kinds of choices are there exactly?
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 01:01:22 PM
There are many documented instances of Muslim women in the western world having absolutely no clue of the rights that are afforded them. France denied a Muslim woman citizenship a few years ago because she was so ignorant of the rights she was afforded because her Muslim husband literally kept her locked in their house. She didn't even know that she was allowed to leave her house without a male present, that she didn't have to wear the full veil nor did she have any idea about the other rights the French constitution alloted her.

The full veil is, has been, and will continue to be nothing more than a tool used to subjugate women. And most Muslim women wouldn't wear it if they didn't have to.



We are talking about America, not the socialist Republic of France who's motto is "We Give Up"
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Fury on June 01, 2010, 01:04:36 PM
We are talking about America, not the socialist Republic of France who's motto is "We Give Up"

And you think it's any different in America? How about the Muslim girl whose father ran her down with his car a few months ago in Arizona for becoming too westernized? And that's not the only incident.  ::)
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: George Whorewell on June 01, 2010, 01:08:09 PM
We are talking about America, not the socialist Republic of France who's motto is "We Give Up"

The Socialist Republic of France is doing a whole hell of a lot more than we are these days to correct the scourge of fundamentalist Islam in its midst. 
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 01:08:22 PM
Can a teenage girl being forced to have a circumscision CHOOSE to run to the authorities in America and leave her parents. Of course. But then she will be alinated by her entire family, placed in foster care and end up leading a pretty shitty life--- and that's if shes lucky and her parents don't somehow regain custody.

Has that ever happened?  I think in this country the parents would be tried for assault and child endangerment and lose permanently lose custody of their children.  


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Can a subjegated and abused woman briainwashed by fanatics CHOOSE to leave her husband in America? Sure. If he doesn't kill her in the process before, during or after her departure. If she doesn't mind being ostracized by her family, her community and her friends. If there is the issue of children that complicates things further. And, as in most cases where a woman wears a Burqa, chances are she has no education, no skills, no job experience and nothing to offer an employer- so chances are she is financially dependant on her husband as well.

Your points might be true, although seemingly extreme, BUT in America she will protected and influenced far greater than she would be in another country and there are people who will help her out of her situation if she chooses.  


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Choice doesn't mean anything if you are incapable of utilizing the alternative toward anything meaningful. What kinds of choices are there exactly?

Choice does mean a lot IF you have laws that protect those choices.  that's what we have here in America.  

And the same scenario happens with some white-cultured abusive marriages.  


Remember we are talking about America, not France, not other countries.  
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 01:09:51 PM
And you think it's any different in America? How about the Muslim girl whose father ran her down with his car a few months ago in Arizona for becoming too westernized? And that's not the only incident.  ::)

Was the Muslim Father allowed to go free without consequences?

That's the point here.  WE have laws for crap like that.  If not then i have a problem with that.
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 01:11:49 PM
The Socialist Republic of France is doing a whole hell of a lot more than we are these days to correct the scourge of fundamentalist Islam in its midst. 

Are they?  From what I've heard in Europe it's almost like a second middle east.  I could be wrong.  But anything you cited there is against the law.  And you'll go to prison for circumcising your daughter. 
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 01:13:54 PM
We have had this discussion before on Getbig, what happens here is no where close to happens in Europe.  Yes, you have the occasional nut job like Berserker talked about, but by and far its not like it is there.  I live in a very highly Muslim populated area (n. California)
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Fury on June 01, 2010, 01:17:42 PM
Has that ever happened?  I think in this country the parents would be tried for assault and child endangerment and lose permanently lose custody of their children.  


The APA just said that a small knick to a girl's clitoris should be allowed (what a small knick is is beyond anyone's guess) and only recanted it after a lot of outrage. This is just one example in a long line of them in the USA's pandering to islamist psychopaths.

And you may think a father running his daughter down is a rare, isolated incident but they're are more than you think, and they're increasing at an alarming rate. But it's not surprising given that the pro-Muslim islamofascist MSM doesn't report on all but the most grotesque of these incidents.
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: kcballer on June 01, 2010, 01:58:32 PM
What happens with the rapes, beatings and murders from Christian raised people?  Do we demonize their heritage or religion or do we talk about the character of the person rather than stereotype?

Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Skip8282 on June 01, 2010, 02:51:00 PM
What happens with the rapes, beatings and murders from Christian raised people?  Do we demonize their heritage or religion or do we talk about the character of the person rather than stereotype?





It's almost like you don't even live in this country.  Of course if people are raped, beaten, and murdered in the name of Christianity we hear all kinds of crap about how bad Christianity is, etc. 

Hell, Christians don't even have to commit crimes to be demonized.  Just watch a Bill Maher episode.  I can see that and I'm an atheist for fucks sake.
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Skip8282 on June 01, 2010, 02:55:22 PM
But in AMERICA,  she is free to leave.  And if she gets beat up the husband is charged with assault and is NOT protected by the law as he would be in another country.

You act as if they are not subject to our laws in favor of their customs.  NO WAY.  So i don't know what you are talking about.  In the end, in this country she can CHOOSE if she wants.


It doesn't break down that simply, not even close.  We have to attend classes at work where they discuss battered women and how many battered women are much too afraid to get out of the relationship.  I don't know the exact percentages, but suggesting that it's a simple as she's free to leave, is very misleading.  Not too mention if she's a fundamentalist she may not even have a basic education to be able to get work, etc.
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 03:01:07 PM
The APA just said that a small knick to a girl's clitoris should be allowed (what a small knick is is beyond anyone's guess) and only recanted it after a lot of outrage. This is just one example in a long line of them in the USA's pandering to islamist psychopaths.

And you may think a father running his daughter down is a rare, isolated incident but they're are more than you think, and they're increasing at an alarming rate. But it's not surprising given that the pro-Muslim islamofascist MSM doesn't report on all but the most grotesque of these incidents.

a small nick in the clit?   They actually tried to pass that?  Good thing its the USA  : )

If they are increasing can you provide any tangible data on that or is that just an assumption or spin from your sources?
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 03:05:52 PM

It doesn't break down that simply, not even close.  We have to attend classes at work where they discuss battered women and how many battered women are much too afraid to get out of the relationship.  I don't know the exact percentages, but suggesting that it's a simple as she's free to leave, is very misleading.  Not too mention if she's a fundamentalist she may not even have a basic education to be able to get work, etc.

But it stills falls into the fact that we have laws against that stuff and it happens in "christian" families too.   Abuse happens everywhere and the problems are similar.


the point is we are NOT changing our laws to accommodate a culture that supports abusing women.  At least as far as i know, can you show me any instances?


You also brought up a point about her not having basic education, and that falls in line with why we need to insist every one speaks/reads English in this country.
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 03:07:47 PM
I hope you all don't think i am trying to defend any of this crap. 

My argument is simply that our laws are not being superseded to accommodate other cultures when it comes to things like abuse.
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 01, 2010, 03:09:08 PM
How about how I am told that I have to accept mexicans sitting on stoops all day on the street drinking and sitting around like its Mexico city/

Or how about that living 20 to a room is perfectly acceptable and the building department wont do anything for fear of claims of discrimination?  

How about letting Peurto Ricans and West Indians at the West Indian day parade in NYC smoke weed and drink in the street as part of their culture, but come St Patricks' day the cops are all over the place?  

How about having to endure English as a second language everywhere?  

and on and on and on and on.  
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 03:12:39 PM
How about how I am told that I have to accept mexicans sitting on stoops all day on the street drinking and sitting around like its Mexico city/

Or how about that living 20 to a room is perfectly acceptable and the building department wont do anything for fear of claims of discrimination?  

How about letting Peurto Ricans and West Indians at the West Indian day parade in NYC smoke weed and drink in the street as part of their culture, but come St Patricks' day the cops are all over the place?  

How about having to endure English as a second language everywhere?  

and on and on and on and on.  

Are there laws against drinking in public?  If they are violated then they should be charged.  If not, then you have a right to petition your law maker to get the law changed.

Is it against the to smoke weed in public? 

You and i agree about the language issue, but people are free to speak what ever language they want.  Are you suggesting it be against the law to speak another language in america?
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 01, 2010, 03:14:18 PM
No, but I believe we should declare English the national language. 
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: 24KT on June 01, 2010, 04:49:24 PM
How about how I am told that I have to accept mexicans sitting on stoops all day on the street drinking and sitting around like its Mexico city/

Or how about that living 20 to a room is perfectly acceptable and the building department wont do anything for fear of claims of discrimination?  

How about letting Peurto Ricans and West Indians at the West Indian day parade in NYC smoke weed and drink in the street as part of their culture, but come St Patricks' day the cops are all over the place?  

How about having to endure English as a second language everywhere?
 

and on and on and on and on.  

Since when is smoking weed in public part of West Indian culture.... although you can do it in Ontario and the result is a ticket similar to a minor parking infraction. We haven't gone to hell yet.

As for experiencing English as a second language... you ought to visit Quebec.
It's really not all that big a deal. Although it is a pain in the ass when you call into Quebec, and the first part of the message on their PBX is in French, and you have to wait until they deliver the message in English to know which button to push to get to the right dept.
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 01, 2010, 05:19:48 PM
No, but I believe we should declare English the national language. 

You and I are in agreement here, but the rest of the stuff you listed seems baseless. 
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Fury on June 01, 2010, 05:25:53 PM
Since when is smoking weed in public part of West Indian culture.... although you can do it in Ontario and the result is a ticket similar to a minor parking infraction. We haven't gone to hell yet.

As for experiencing English as a second language... you ought to visit Quebec.
It's really not all that big a deal. Although it is a pain in the ass when you call into Quebec, and the first part of the message on their PBX is in French, and you have to wait until they deliver the message in English to know which button to push to get to the right dept.

You're right, it's not a big deal. Would that explain why 40% of Quebec was in favor of seceding from Canada in the 80s?  ::)
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: 24KT on June 01, 2010, 05:38:08 PM
You're right, it's not a big deal. Would that explain why 40% of Quebec was in favor of seceding from Canada in the 80s?  ::)

Actually, it was an attitude of English only or English as the dominant language that so upset Quebecois.
They were being engulfed in Anglophone culture. No such thing is occuring in the USA.
There is no way that main stream America is in danger of seeing their culture die in the same way the Quebecois were. It was the implementation of a french first language policy throughout Quebec, that reduced the tensions and separatist sentiment, while also ensuring their language would not die. As for other Quebecois cultural tenets... I don't think anybody really cares these days if you prefer to eat chicken noodle soup and fish & chips over pea soup and poutine. But you do still have to always remember to put vinegar on your fries. It's a Canadian thing.  ;)

btw - It actually went up to 49.5% in favour of separation in 1995 and the numbers have been steadily dropping ever since.
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Emmortal on June 01, 2010, 10:21:59 PM
Are they?  From what I've heard in Europe it's almost like a second middle east.  I could be wrong.  But anything you cited there is against the law.  And you'll go to prison for circumcising your daughter. 

There's a bill up for legislation now in France that will outlaw the use of Berkas in public and any woman wearing one will be fined and forced to take a class on French Culture and Values.  If it's found that the husband has forced her to wear it he will be heavily fined and face jail time.

I haven't heard what the status of the bill is at this point, but it won't surprise me if it passes.
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Skeletor on June 01, 2010, 10:36:22 PM
There's a bill up for legislation now in France that will outlaw the use of Berkas in public and any woman wearing one will be fined and forced to take a class on French Culture and Values.  If it's found that the husband has forced her to wear it he will be heavily fined and face jail time.

I haven't heard what the status of the bill is at this point, but it won't surprise me if it passes.

Other European countries are considering the same course of action.
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: OzmO on June 02, 2010, 07:27:06 AM
There's a bill up for legislation now in France that will outlaw the use of Berkas in public and any woman wearing one will be fined and forced to take a class on French Culture and Values.  If it's found that the husband has forced her to wear it he will be heavily fined and face jail time.

I haven't heard what the status of the bill is at this point, but it won't surprise me if it passes.

Wow,  That seems extreme.  I'd be very against that. (the part about fining for wearing in public but not punishing the husband for forcing it)   Why do they want to do that?
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Fury on June 02, 2010, 07:58:38 AM
There's a bill up for legislation now in France that will outlaw the use of Berkas in public and any woman wearing one will be fined and forced to take a class on French Culture and Values.  If it's found that the husband has forced her to wear it he will be heavily fined and face jail time.

I haven't heard what the status of the bill is at this point, but it won't surprise me if it passes.

The French are one of the few countries putting their foot down against the islamomenace. And there are other countries moving to do the same thing. Couple that with many Europeans upset with immigration that has allowed a gigantic influx of Muslims who are incapable of assimilating and I'd bet there will be more bills like this.
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 02, 2010, 08:03:55 AM
The French are one of the few countries putting their foot down against the islamomenace. And there are other countries moving to do the same thing. Couple that with many Europeans upset with immigration that has allowed a gigantic influx of Muslims who are incapable of assimilating and I'd bet there will be more bills like this.

And there should be.   Many muslims view illegal immigration and chain migration as a form of warfare on west by overloading welfare systems and public resources and otherwise demoralizing the society.   
Title: Re: Other Cultures - My complaint about the United States today...
Post by: Fury on June 02, 2010, 08:07:10 AM
And there should be.   Many muslims view illegal immigration and chain migration as a form of warfare on west by overloading welfare systems and public resources and otherwise demoralizing the society.   

Oh, no doubt. They're using the West's policies against them in their silent jihad. By flooding these countries with millions of immigrants, it will make the implementation of Sharia Law that much easier.  ;)

Just look at England. They've had Sharia courts that handle civil affairs between Muslims for a few years now.