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Overreaction.
Los Angeles Students to Be Taught That Arizona Immigration Law Is Un-American
By Jana Winter
Published June 02, 2010
FOXNews.com
The Los Angeles Unified School District school board wants all public school students in the city to be taught that Arizona's new immigration law is un-American.
The school board president made the announcement Tuesday night after the district's Board of Education passed a resolution to oppose the controversial law, which gives law enforcement officials in Arizona the power to question and detain people they suspect are in the U.S. illegally when they are stopped in relation to a crime or infraction.
Critics of the law say it will result in racial profiling.
The school board voted unanimously on Tuesday to “express outrage” and “condemnation” of the law, and it called on the school superintendent to look into curtailing economic support to the Grand Canyon State. About 73 percent of the students in the school district are Latino.
But supporters of the law say the school board is way out of bounds and that the measure will just distract from the children's education.
“This is ridiculous, it’s ridiculous for us to be involved in Arizona law,” said Jane Barnett, Chairman, Los Angeles County Republican Party. “There is a 50 percent dropout rate in some parts of the school district—is this going to keep kids in school?”
According to its press release, "The Los Angeles Board of Education also requested that Superintendent Ramon Cortines ensure that civics and history classes discuss the recent laws with students in the context of the American values of unity, diversity and equal protection for all people.”
"America must stand for tolerance, inclusiveness and equality,” said Board President Monica García, according to the release. “In our civics classes and in our hallways, we must give life to these values by teaching our students to value themselves; to respect others; and to demand fairness and justice for all who live within our borders. Any law which violates civil rights is un-American."
In an e-mail to FOXNews.com, school district spokesman Robert Alaniz elaborated:
“The Board of Education directed the Superintendent to ensure that LAUSD civics and history classes discuss the recent laws enacted in Arizona in the context of the American values of unity, diversity, and Equal Protection for all. Much like a number of controversial periods and laws that are part of our history and are currently taught including:
-- Slavery
-- Jim Crowe laws and segregation
-- Native American reservations
-- Residential schools (for Native Americans)
-- The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882
-- Anti-Irish racism in the 19th century
-- Racism against immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe in the 20th century
-- Anti-Semitism
-- Internment camps for Japanese Americans during World War II
-- The Mexican Repatriation Program (1929-1939)."
The school district resolution also opposed another new Arizona law that bans schools from teaching classes that promote the overthrow of the government or advocate ethnic solidarity.
The school board called on Arizona's leaders to reverse both of these “misguided” new laws, the press release said.
The board said the laws “effectively sanction and promote unconstitutional racial profiling and harassment,” and “blatantly violate the civil rights of both Arizona residents and all visitors to the State.”
They said Arizona’s new laws also “severely restrict the education of all children in Arizona by refusing to incorporate vital sections of history that incorporate the contributions of this country’s many diverse groups.”
The superintendent was also asked to investigate ways to curtail contracts with Arizona-based businesses and district travel to the state.
"We need to do everything in our power to help our students be global citizens, develop appreciation for the diversity in our midst, and reject any forms of racism or bias," said Board Vice President Yolie Flores. "This resolution highlights our commitment to ensuring that our students understand the ideals and constitutional rights that this great country is founded on, while also gaining an appreciation of the histories and cultural contributions of those who have helped build this nation."
“It is a sad day in America when the rights guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution are trampled upon under the color of law and authority,” said LAUSD Board Member Martinez. “Everyone, regardless of their status in the United States, has the right to equal protection under our laws. These Arizona laws are nothing but a knee-jerk backlash resulting from the lack of a comprehensive and well thought out immigration reform policy.”
The LA County Republican chairwoman said she’s been inundated with phone calls, e-mails and Facebook messages from people all over Los Angeles who say their school district has no business meddling in another state’s laws when they’ve got so many problems of their own to deal with.
“This is really crazy,” she said. “Everybody is upset about this.”
Barnett called the school board resolution a “pathetic stunt” that distracts educators from what they should be focusing on: educating the students.
“This is nothing we should be involved in. Let the courts deal with this,” she said. “We need to keep out of other people’s states’ business.”
Nathan Mintz, the founder of the South Bay Tea Party and the Republican nominee for the 53rd State Assembly seat.
“This is just another example of these embedded bureaucrats in California doing anything they can to deflect and distract from the poor job their doing of educating our children,” said Nathan Mintz, the founder of the South Bay Tea Party and the Republican nominee for the 53rd State Assembly seat.
He said attacking Arizona’s immigration law is just “a distraction from the key issue of educating the kids in our schools.”
“We support Arizona,” Barnett said. “In fact, I think we ought to go there right now for vacation.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/02/la-school-district-teaches-az-law-is-un-american/?test=latestnews
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It is what it is.
We don't border China and have and estimated 12 million Chinese illegal aliens in the country.
People need to get over themselves.
This is stupid.
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sounds like nancy pelosi
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sounds like nancy pelosi
or Gavin Newsome >:(
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is mexico unmexican and china unchineese? there immagration law is way more strict than Az. are they going to teach that?
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so we are now using china as the yardstick for measuring human rights/constutitional rights?
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As much as I love LA, shit like this makes me hate it.
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so we are now using china as the yardstick for measuring human rights/constutitional rights?
Must be since we've got Barry sending his reps over to China to apologize for the law.
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Requiring all American citizens passing through or living in Arizona to carry passport or birth certificate with them at all times is Un-American.
legal residents of the United States or otherwise lawfully present in the United States shall submit at least one of the following documents to the entity that administers the federal public benefit demonstrating lawful presence in the United States:
1. An Arizona driver license issued after 1996 or an Arizona nonoperating identification license.
2. A birth certificate or delayed birth certificate issued in any state, territory or possession of the United States.
3. A United States certificate of birth abroad.
4. A United States passport.
5. A foreign passport with a United States visa.
6. An I-94 form with a photograph.
7. A United States citizenship and immigration services employment authorization document or refugee travel document.
8. A United States certificate of naturalization.
9. A United States certificate of citizenship.
10. A tribal certificate of Indian blood.
11. A tribal or bureau of Indian affairs affidavit of birth.
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Requiring all American citizens passing through or living in Arizona to carry passport or birth certificate with them at all times is Un-American.
It says any ONE of those on that list, yet you single out passports and birth certificates.......peopl e should always carry a form of ID, what's the problem?
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It says any ONE of those on that list, yet you single out passports and birth certificates.......peopl e should always carry a form of ID, what's the problem?
An out of state issued drivers license is not sufficient proof of citizenship in Arizona. That is the problem.
Phoenix Vice Mayor Michael Nowakowski sent a letter to City Manager David Cavazos, suggesting that if the bill becomes law, police should request citizenship proof from everyone they stop in order to avoid charges of racial profiling.
The bill states that an Arizona driver's license is sufficient to prove citizenship. Nowakowski argued that licenses from other states, however, may not be sufficient because some states do not require proof of citizenship to get a license, as Arizona does.
"That means that anyone who drives in the city of Phoenix and gets pulled over better have a passport or a visa," he said.
Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2010/04/21/20100421arizona-immigration-bill.html#ixzz0pjHcSSYe
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Loco as usual is missing the point.
The cops have to suspect you broke the law.
After that, they have to suspect you are here illegally ( and they cant use your skin color or nationality to make that determination).
Then, AFTER they suspect you may be illegal they can ask you to present 1 of 10 documents.
If you are pulled over and have a valid U.S. drivers license with your photo and your name on it, along with your car registration, why would the officer suspect you were in the country illegally?
If you were walking down the street and there was probable cause you committed a crime, but you had a valid DL with your name and face on it, why would the cop suspect that you were an illegal?
This law is not that big a deal folks. Stop using emotion and use a little bit of reason.
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My point is that I can be visiting my Aunt Gladys in Arizona.... I can use my FL DL to drive there... it's legal to drive in 50 states with it. But once I'm in the state, if I roll thru a stop sign - it's up to some high school grad cop with a small penis and a poor attitude stemming from a cheating wife - to decide whether or not I should be shackled on the way to INS or not.
There is soooo much wiggle room, and cops are going to abuse it. This is america... you're supposed to be able to show the cop your ID and move on. This guy had his ID and his social #... and it wasn't enough for the cop. That's crap. The cop can be doing this to 100 people a day if he wants. A thousand cops can be doing this to 100 people a day if they want. That's what I don't like.
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Loco as usual is missing the point.
The cops have to suspect you broke the law.
After that, they have to suspect you are here illegally ( and they cant use your skin color or nationality to make that determination).
Then, AFTER they suspect you may be illegal they can ask you to present 1 of 10 documents.
If you are pulled over and have a valid U.S. drivers license with your photo and your name on it, along with your car registration, why would the officer suspect you were in the country illegally?
If you were walking down the street and there was probable cause you committed a crime, but you had a valid DL with your name and face on it, why would the cop suspect that you were an illegal?
This law is not that big a deal folks. Stop using emotion and use a little bit of reason.
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so we are now using china as the yardstick for measuring human rights/constutitional rights?
How do you come up with that?
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LOCO and 240 my advice to you is instead of bitching about this law start contacting your representatives and get them to make it manditory to show residency status to recieve a drivers license...then you wont have anything to worry about...
and 240 if thats the scenario you have played out in your head youre pretty paranoid bro...
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My point is that I can be visiting my Aunt Gladys in Arizona.... I can use my FL DL to drive there... it's legal to drive in 50 states with it. But once I'm in the state, if I roll thru a stop sign - it's up to some high school grad cop with a small penis and a poor attitude stemming from a cheating wife - to decide whether or not I should be shackled on the way to INS or not.
There is soooo much wiggle room, and cops are going to abuse it. This is america... you're supposed to be able to show the cop your ID and move on. This guy had his ID and his social #... and it wasn't enough for the cop. That's crap. The cop can be doing this to 100 people a day if he wants. A thousand cops can be doing this to 100 people a day if they want. That's what I don't like.
Why would the cop suspect you were an illegal? Why? What possible rationale could he present that is based on clear and articulable facts that you were in America illegally? If your face matched the picture on your license, if you had the documents that are supposed to be in the car such as your registration, if the car didn't check back on the computer as stolen, if you complied with the cops questions without being evasive or lying ( saying you just drove west from California to Arizona meet your Aunt Beatrice at the border who flew in on an Alien spaceship probably would raise some eyebrows), then the cop would have no concieveable reason to suspect your an illegal. Again- SKIN COLOR AND NATIONALITY ALONE CANNOT BE THE BASIS FOR REASONABLE SUSPISCION. What else could the cop come up with? That you have an out of state drivers license? No court in America would consider that "Reasonable Suspiscion". Cops can mess with people regardless and there will always be asshole cops. But that has nothing to do with this law. The idea that all of a sudden good cops will become bad, and bad cops will become war criminals based on this new law is nonsense.
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LOCO and 240 my advice to you is instead of bitching about this law start contacting your representatives and get them to make it manditory to show residency status to recieve a drivers license...then you wont have anything to worry about...
and 240 if thats the scenario you have played out in your head youre pretty paranoid bro...
My representatives? ???
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Yeah-
George Lopez, Carlos Mencia, Speedy Gonzalez--- those guys.
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Why would the cop suspect you were an illegal? Why? What possible rationale could he present that is based on clear and articulable facts that you were in America illegally? If your face matched the picture on your license, if you had the documents that are supposed to be in the car such as your registration, if the car didn't check back on the computer as stolen, if you complied with the cops questions without being evasive or lying ( saying you just drove west from California to Arizona meet your Aunt Beatrice at the border who flew in on an Alien spaceship probably would raise some eyebrows), then the cop would have no concieveable reason to suspect your an illegal. Again- SKIN COLOR AND NATIONALITY ALONE CANNOT BE THE BASIS FOR REASONABLE SUSPISCION. What else could the cop come up with? That you have an out of state drivers license? No court in America would consider that "Reasonable Suspiscion". Cops can mess with people regardless and there will always be asshole cops. But that has nothing to do with this law. The idea that all of a sudden good cops will become bad, and bad cops will become war criminals based on this new law is nonsense.
Why did this cat get detained? He had a social security number (which I think they can call in) and a drivers license (which they can also call in). He was an american citizen and spoke english fine.
He had brown skin. I dont get into all the race BS, but I'm thinking if he was a little old white lady, his ass wouldn't have been shackled in the bus, all other factors equal.
We're going to see a lot of things like this... police saying "well, it's not about color of skin", but the dude in handcuffs is probably always gonna look the same...
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My representatives? ???
district rep, mayor, governor....
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I'm just messing with you loco--
I wanted to see if the non-gringo's on this board had a sense of humor.
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Smart move bringing politics into children's education. Good thing they're focusing on this instead of fixing the 50%+ dropout rate among latino students in that district. ::)
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Why did this cat get detained? He had a social security number (which I think they can call in) and a drivers license (which they can also call in). He was an american citizen and spoke english fine.
He had brown skin. I dont get into all the race BS, but I'm thinking if he was a little old white lady, his ass wouldn't have been shackled in the bus, all other factors equal.
We're going to see a lot of things like this... police saying "well, it's not about color of skin", but the dude in handcuffs is probably always gonna look the same...
this guy being detained was detained before the bill had even been signed let alone the law been enacted...
and you could say the same shit about laws that target gang members but you dont seem to be up in arms about that ::)
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Yeah-
George Lopez, Carlos Mencia, Speedy Gonzalez--- those guys.
;D
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Loco as usual is missing the point.
The cops have to suspect you broke the law.
After that, they have to suspect you are here illegally ( and they cant use your skin color or nationality to make that determination).
Then, AFTER they suspect you may be illegal they can ask you to present 1 of 10 documents.
If you are pulled over and have a valid U.S. drivers license with your photo and your name on it, along with your car registration, why would the officer suspect you were in the country illegally?
If you were walking down the street and there was probable cause you committed a crime, but you had a valid DL with your name and face on it, why would the cop suspect that you were an illegal?
This law is not that big a deal folks. Stop using emotion and use a little bit of reason.
The drivers license and registration didn't help that trucker from Sacramento. He ended up in jail, and his wife had to drop everything and show up at the station with his birth certificate. She brought her own too... just in case.
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As someone else has pointed out, was the AZ law even in effect when the guy was detained?
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No, the law is not even in effect yet.
Its just moree 240 cry baby bs after what happened to him.
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So then what possible relevance can that video have to this conversation at all?
Jag is as usual too stupid and lazy to pay attention to what's going on.
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Here is my take on this. It's not the best decision by the school board but it's not a big deal either. Lets face it the kids who "learn" this are going to form their own opinions regardless of the teaching anyway. We don't teach racism in schools yet we still have racists. The kids probably won't even remember it 5 minutes after they've supposedly 'learned' it. And even if they do remember it i highly, highly doubt they will use it as a basis to believe it. Their belief in the law as un-American will come from their peer group and families. Not the school. So please lets not make this more than what it is.
A minor misjudgment with no lasting effects outside of making the person enforcing it feel good about themselves.
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Here is my take on this. It's not the best decision by the school board but it's not a big deal either. Lets face it the kids who "learn" this are going to form their own opinions regardless of the teaching anyway. We don't teach racism in schools yet we still have racists. The kids probably won't even remember it 5 minutes after they've supposedly 'learned' it. And even if they do remember it i highly, highly doubt they will use it as a basis to believe it. Their belief in the law as un-American will come from their peer group and families. Not the school. So please lets not make this more than what it is.
A minor misjudgment with no lasting effects outside of making the person enforcing it feel good about themselves.
What an utterly ridiculous justification of it. ::)
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What an utterly ridiculous justification of it. ::)
I'm not justifying anything here. Just stating what a lot of people over look. Education is not about one line of thinking. It's about many different ideas being taught to get a well balanced individual. But the problem is the kids being taught this won't remember it and if they do it'll only be because of the fuss made by all the parents.