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Source: MSNBC
TEHRAN - Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards are ready to provide a military escort to cargo ships trying to break Israel's blockade of Gaza, a representative of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said on Sunday.
"Iran's Revolutionary Guards naval forces are fully prepared to escort the peace and freedom convoys to Gaza with all their powers and capabilities," Ali Shirazi, Khamenei's representative inside the Revolutionary Guards, was quoted as saying by the semi-official Mehr news agency.
Any intervention by the Iranian military would be considered highly provocative by Israel which accuses Iran of supplying weapons to Hamas, the Islamist movement which rules Gaza.
The Guards, with their own navy, air force and command structure separate from the regular armed forces, are seen as fiercely loyal to the values of the Islamic Republic.
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this shit can get out of hand pretty quick
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Iran sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, again. They must be looking to get it chopped off.
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Iran sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, again. They must be looking to get it chopped off.
Hopefully now Israel can send some JDams or nukes up Machmuds' ass.
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Hopefully now Israel can send some JDams or nukes up Machmuds' ass.
Another terrorist state masquerading as human rights proponents now. Let's not forget that a year ago next week it was the Iranian government shooting Iranian citizens in the streets in the post-election massacres that took place all over that country. :)
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seriously, why do this big public display with armed guys duking it out with people on the deck of he boats?
Why not just let a torpedo appear outta nowhere and sink the fvckers. Then play innocent, even though everyone knows who probably sent it lol...
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wow
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seriously, why do this big public display with armed guys duking it out with people on the deck of he boats?
Why not just let a torpedo appear outta nowhere and sink the fvckers. Then play innocent, even though everyone knows who probably sent it lol...
b/c they will find shit to pin it on you and try and get other countries to pressure you by placing sanctions etc...
this way at least they know the consequences and arent like obama with iran...remember when obama made the first agreement with iran and I told you it was just a move to by time 240? WELL GUESS WHAT? it turned out to be just a move to by time... ::)
This is just saber rattling by iran they know they would have their shit handed to them in a matter of days if they tried some stupid shit...
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so um, what has changed with iran since obama took over?
they're still building nukes, just like they did under Bush.
same with north korea. they set off nukes and said they almost have their rocket ready to send it to cali. hell, their fired icbms at hawaii on july 4th! White house response? (Um, those nukes weren't that powerful and those missiles cant hit us yet).
Pussy response to those 2 under bush, same repsonse under obama. you're attacking the bush policy on iran when you attack obama dude.
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Hopefully now Israel can send some JDams or nukes up Machmuds' ass.
Great idea, 33.
Then they can bankrupt us with even more aid money from the nuclear waste fallout.
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so um, what has changed with iran since obama took over?
they're still building nukes, just like they did under Bush.
same with north korea. they set off nukes and said they almost have their rocket ready to send it to cali. hell, their fired icbms at hawaii on july 4th! White house response? (Um, those nukes weren't that powerful and those missiles cant hit us yet).
Pussy response to those 2 under bush, same repsonse under obama. you're attacking the bush policy on iran when you attack obama dude.
LMAO wasnt the ICBMS found to be bullshit?
bush sucked on many things 240 but I really dont see the relevance of bush on obamas presidency on this subject...can you tell me what it is? or are you just bringing up bush to draw attention from obama and draw a moral equivelancy....
fact is when obama came in with the "lets all hold hands and sing kumbyeya" bullshit you bought into it hook line and sinker...you praised your savior for striking a deal with iran and I told you that it was nothing more than an agreement to buy iran more time and guess what it was 240?
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You brought up the weak Obama response. I pointed out he's using the bush playbook and bush's own military team. he didn't change anything.
And downplayuing the missiles they fire at us? holy shit. if mexico's govt throws a fuckking TOMATO at us, I'm all for attacking them back. if canada throws a damn waffle iron at us, fire missiles back. Saying NKorea is cool because "those missiles couldn't reach us" is the epitome of appeasement. That kinda appeasement worked well for france against hitler, remember?
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You brought up the weak Obama response. I pointed out he's using the bush playbook and bush's own military team. he didn't change anything.
And downplayuing the missiles they fire at us? holy shit. if mexico's govt throws a fuckking TOMATO at us, I'm all for attacking them back. if canada throws a damn waffle iron at us, fire missiles back. Saying NKorea is cool because "those missiles couldn't reach us" is the epitome of appeasement. That kinda appeasement worked well for france against hitler, remember?
again what does obamas weak ass response have to do with bush? ::) ::) ::)
i thought that the ICMB's thing was debunked? could be wrong but again what does that have to do with obama?
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Great idea, 33.
Then they can bankrupt us with even more aid money from the nuclear waste fallout.
You keep crying about Israeli aid money. We send over $10 billion a year to Pakistan that ends up getting funneled to terrorists and used to kill more Americans, $5 billion in military aid to Egypt and we just sent off a $40+ billion loan to socialist Greece that I'm sure will end up being erased before it's paid back as Greece has no money to pay back. Selective crying, indeed.
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You keep crying about Israeli aid money. We send over $10 billion a year to Pakistan that ends up getting funneled to terrorists and used to kill more Americans, $5 billion in military aid to Egypt and we just sent off a $40+ billion loan to socialist Greece that I'm sure will end up being erased before it's paid back as Greece has no money to pay back. Selective crying, indeed.
Why are you making it about Israel aid?
Million of people live there and would be affected by the bombing.
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You honestly think they're going to start nuking? I'm willing to bet nothing will come of this as the terrorist state of Iran is nothing more than a saber-rattling paper tiger.
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You honestly think they're going to start nuking? I'm willing to bet nothing will come of this as the terrorist state of Iran is nothing more than a saber-rattling paper tiger.
Saddam was a paper tiger, too.
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You honestly think they're going to start nuking? I'm willing to bet nothing will come of this as the terrorist state of Iran is nothing more than a saber-rattling paper tiger.
I agree. They're making a lot of noise to position themselves so they are taken seriously ( Not likely to happen anytime soon). :)
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LMAO wasnt the ICBMS found to be bullshit?
bush sucked on many things 240 but I really dont see the relevance of bush on obamas presidency on this subject...can you tell me what it is? or are you just bringing up bush to draw attention from obama and draw a moral equivelancy....
fact is when obama came in with the "lets all hold hands and sing kumbyeya" bullshit you bought into it hook line and sinker...you praised your savior for striking a deal with iran and I told you that it was nothing more than an agreement to buy iran more time and guess what it was 240?
This is completely false. When Korea was testing it's missile capabilities under Bush and they fired a rocket toward Japan, what did Bush do? He paid them off to settle down and stop fucking around. Which they gladly took the money and obviously didn't comply. When they were firing tests under Obama's administration, what did Obama do? He sent a fleet of warships to the area to show them he wasn't fucking around.
Bush's resolution: send money and hope they stop, fail.
Obama's resolution: send warships to shut them up, win.
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Bush gave them a million barrels of oil to stop firing missiles at us. They took the oil - and STILL kept up the nuke testing!!!!
What did obama do? I think he's sending the USS George Washington to Korea now...
So tony, if you're going to shit on obama's response... Emmortal reminds us here that Obama's approach to dealing with a-hole nations might be better than Bush's...
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This is completely false. When Korea was testing it's missile capabilities under Bush and they fired a rocket toward Japan, what did Bush do? He paid them off to settle down and stop fucking around. Which they gladly took the money and obviously didn't comply. When they were firing tests under Obama's administration, what did Obama do? He sent a fleet of warships to the area to show them he wasn't fucking around.
Bush's resolution: send money and hope they stop, fail.
Obama's resolution: send warships to shut them up, win.
Complete bullshit. Obama sent the warships ahead of the test, and the North Koreans test fired anyway.
We can cry this President that President till we're blue in face, none of them have come up with a viable solution to dealing with North Korea. It would be nice if just putting our warships out there would shut them up, but that's just fantasy.
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Bush gave them a million barrels of oil to stop firing missiles at us. They took the oil - and STILL kept up the nuke testing!!!!
What did obama do? I think he's sending the USS George Washington to Korea now...
So tony, if you're going to shit on obama's response... Emmortal reminds us here that Obama's approach to dealing with a-hole nations might be better than Bush's...
LMAO again what does bush have to do with obama?
i didnt bring up bush your dumb ass did, you brought him up to draw a moral equivelancy to justify obamas actions...
what about iran 240? are you denying that I was right about buying more time and playing obama for a fool?
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Can you list the differences in policy and actions between the Bush and Obama positions on iran?
best as I can see it.... Bush didn't do shit except sanctions... and Obama didn't do shit except sanctions.
iran's been "Buying time" for 10 years now. Bush didn't do shit. Obama won't do shit. Palin/mccain wouldn't have done shit. Prez Thune won't do shit in 2013.
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Can you list the differences in policy and actions between the Bush and Obama positions on iran?
Action wise, not much except cancelling the missile defense system in Poland. Policy wise, he's changed the pre-emptive war doctrine (of course, we still reserve the right to do so), he's extended formal diplomatic negotiations with Iran (which have been snubbed to date), and he's released Iranian detainees (shortly after Iran killed a bunch of protestors ::) go figure).
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He fires a lot more rockets in pakistan than Bush did. He continues the war plans by bush's details, using the same guys.
had the poland missile shield thing gone down in Dec 2008... would it really have been any different? I mean, Bush and Obama both have the same advisers telling them what to do. PLEASE don't tell me anyone here really believes Dubya or owebama made the final decision on any of these things.
Rather, I'm sure it was the top minds of military and diplomacy getting together, formulating a plan, and giving it to the prez to sign and sell.
If you want to look at it this way... Obama flinched on poland just as bush flinched to them during the olympics on that georgia mess. If the ruskies had invaded georgia on obama's watch, and the poland mess happened on bush's watch, things would be 100% the same. Agree/disagree?
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Can you list the differences in policy and actions between the Bush and Obama positions on iran?
best as I can see it.... Bush didn't do shit except sanctions... and Obama didn't do shit except sanctions.
iran's been "Buying time" for 10 years now. Bush didn't do shit. Obama won't do shit. Palin/mccain wouldn't have done shit. Prez Thune won't do shit in 2013.
you havent answered the question 240 you just keep bringing bush up...what does obamas actions have to do with bush?
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He fires a lot more rockets in pakistan than Bush did. He continues the war plans by bush's details, using the same guys.
had the poland missile shield thing gone down in Dec 2008... would it really have been any different? I mean, Bush and Obama both have the same advisers telling them what to do. PLEASE don't tell me anyone here really believes Dubya or owebama made the final decision on any of these things.
Rather, I'm sure it was the top minds of military and diplomacy getting together, formulating a plan, and giving it to the prez to sign and sell.
If you want to look at it this way... Obama flinched on poland just as bush flinched to them during the olympics on that georgia mess. If the ruskies had invaded georgia on obama's watch, and the poland mess happened on bush's watch, things would be 100% the same. Agree/disagree?
Stepping up the drone attacks was one of the few smart decisions he's made.
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not sure what you mean... the fuel deal with turkey? I thought that was a good deal. The IAEA got to inventory/follow over half of Iran's nuke material, and now it's certainly being used for energy and not weapons grade - we're overseeing it.
So unless I'm reading the deal wrong... Obama neeutralized HALF of iran's nuke material weaponization capability with the deal.
And, to boot, the UN sactions weren't even lifted.
Please explain why that deal was a bad thing.
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not sure what you mean... the fuel deal with turkey? I thought that was a good deal. The IAEA got to inventory/follow over half of Iran's nuke material, and now it's certainly being used for energy and not weapons grade - we're overseeing it.
So unless I'm reading the deal wrong... Obama neeutralized HALF of iran's nuke material weaponization capability with the deal.
And, to boot, the UN sactions weren't even lifted.
Please explain why that deal was a bad thing.
Do you honestly think the biggest problem is Iran having a bomb? No, much like Pakistan, who was caught red-handed selling nuke tech to Libya, it's Iran giving out the knowledge and know-how for building one to all of their little terrorist allies in Syria and Hezbollah, etc. Not to mention the gigantic nuclear arms race it will set off in the Middle East. That is far and away the biggest threat from their nuke program.
Getting them to send out some material to Turkey is a half-assed attempt to save face. We all know their real aims and as long as they continue to hide their nuke tech, we all know what they're trying to do.
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yeah, but isn't victory achieved with a series of small successes?
Obama got them to hand over 50% of the nuke material it's taken them decades to develop... and it's moved to energy development, not weapons grade. And it's supervised. And he didn't give up sanctions to do it.
Dont get me wrong, I agree he's bending over to china to keep our dollar afloat and bowing to the world to keep them from the one global currency thing... but with Iran, it seems like he's just following bush policy and did manage to get half of their material de-weaponized and monitored.
For Nkorea, he hasn't paid them a million barrels of oil, and he has sent over a carrier to prep for possible war... 2 things bush wouldn't do. instead, bush actually downplayed the threat. I mean, if ANY country with a nuke decides to calibrate their weapons by aiming nukes at a US state and firing on the 4th of july - as a space shuttle launches much less... W T F should we do? ??? We should fire at every weapons center and missile silo and miltary building we know about. That's what I think.
bush was an appeaser on nkorea and failed to act on iran.
Obama isn't appeasing Nkorea - he's ramping up for war.
Obama is making deal with iran - but they lose 50%+ of their nuke weapons capability.
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And - Obama's team is still coming at Iran with nails out - in order to keep those sanctions in place. That's not appeasing. Obama is starving them.
Source: AFP
By Lachlan Carmichael (AFP) – 2 hours ago
WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Sunday she expects Iran will "pull some stunt in the next couple of days" as a UN vote on tough sanctions against Tehran over its nuclear program looms.
Asked what she expects in the runup to a UN Security Council vote on sanctions on Tehran over its controversial nuclear program, Clinton said "I expect Iran to pull some stunt in the next couple of days."
Iran has in the past taken steps to "avoid being held accountable," Clinton told reporters as she waited to depart on a Latin American trip.
"I don't think anybody should be surprised if they (Iran) try to divert attention once again from the unity within the Security Council," the top US diplomat said.
"I think we'll see Iran say ...'wait a minute, wait a minute look at what we're going to do' in a bid to thwart sanctions," Clinton added. "They've consistently tried to avoid being held accountable."