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Title: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 12secGT on June 09, 2010, 12:32:34 PM
What I find funny with all this Bush's fault stuff is, days after 9-11 "they", meaning these Huffington Post, Al Divorced Gore, Charlie "Not Me" Rangle, and other liberals blamed Bush for sitting an extra 6 minutes in front of the school kids instead of jumping to action, they blamed him for not ordering the cockpit doors locked after the Security briefing document surfaced in the August before... all this blaming even while he was in office for...
NINE MONTHS
Meanwhile ol' Slick Willie got a free pass on the 911 attacks. His lack of doing ANYTHING to stop OBL, even when the Saudi's had him and wanted to hand him over to Slick. Instead, Slick was too busy getting a rim job by some fat ass intern to notice.

So, here we all sit. Some 16 months into what is shaping up to be the single most disasterous presidental campaign this country has endoured... And, what do we get??
BLAME BUSH.

So what is it libs???
If you blame Bush for the 8 years prior, certainly you can blame Clinton for his 8 years of doing ABSOLUTETLY NOTHING to stop the mounting threat of terrorism? Right? I mean or is it whatever works to get the heat off of your side??? I don't care about healthcare, oil spills, gay marrage... NOTHING has more of a greater impact negatively to our wellbeing than another serious terrorist attack. NOTHING. Blow up the #2 train in Penn Station with a dirty bomb and see what happens to the econ in 15 minutes after. Oil?? What oil... Dead sea turtles will be childs play.





Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2010, 12:40:09 PM
Obama needs to:

1.  STFU
2.  STFU
3.  STFU
4.  Set up a small office down the gulf and stay there for a month or two. 
5.  Appoint Powell to oversea the cleanup. 
6.  Stop trying to be tough guy. 
7.  Get the Navy Flotilla down there to lay boom.
8.  Set up a jobs situation for people to go down there and have BP pay for it to where people actually work cleaning shit up. 
 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 12secGT on June 10, 2010, 11:29:35 AM
besides 333... I didn't think I would get much of a reply here. I don't care what side you are on. This blame Bush thing is just silly, isn't logical and just shows the incompetency of Obama. He has not stood up to any crisis without blaming his predicessor. Or, without saying he inherited this crisis... I don't recall ONCE where Bush said he inherited anything from Clinton. And he could blame this man for a ton of stuff....
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 10, 2010, 11:39:45 AM
besides 333... I didn't think I would get much of a reply here. I don't care what side you are on. This blame Bush thing is just silly, isn't logical and just shows the incompetency of Obama. He has not stood up to any crisis without blaming his predicessor. Or, without saying he inherited this crisis... I don't recall ONCE where Bush said he inherited anything from Clinton. And he could blame this man for a ton of stuff....

Why do you think I call obama "ZERO" 

ZERO business experience.
ZERO LEADERSHIP.
ZERO law career.
ZERO record
ZERO economic understanding
ZERO credibility


Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Dos Equis on June 10, 2010, 12:16:52 PM
Obama needs to:

1.  STFU
2.  STFU
3.  STFU
4.  Set up a small office down the gulf and stay there for a month or two. 
5.  Appoint Powell to oversea the cleanup. 
6.  Stop trying to be tough guy. 
7.  Get the Navy Flotilla down there to lay boom.
8.  Set up a jobs situation for people to go down there and have BP pay for it to where people actually work cleaning shit up. 
 

Yeah.  I agree with this. 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 12secGT on June 11, 2010, 09:16:35 AM
Wow... no 240, no Jag.. nobody is here defending this man. I guess you can't defend the indefendable.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 09:19:16 AM
Oil spill is on obama's watch.  He had 15 months to change it, and didn't.  However, until the Repubs deliver a "GOP BP Solution", they're nothing more than critics without any means to improve the situation.

That being said...

Ronald Reagan's 1984 acceptance speech

He was still blaming Carter...
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 12secGT on June 11, 2010, 09:31:12 AM
Oil spill is on obama's watch.  He had 15 months to change it, and didn't.  However, until the Repubs deliver a "GOP BP Solution", they're nothing more than critics without any means to improve the situation.

That being said...

Ronald Reagan's 1984 acceptance speech

He was still blaming Carter...

The difference is you can call out the wrongs of past presidents. That is how you get elected. This president however, can not accept responsibilty for anything his is in charge of. Reagan did identify the disasterous presidency of Carter. But you didn't hear it some 18 months into his presidency still blaming Carter, still blaming Carter.... Still blaming Carter.... AND STILL bLAMING carter.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2010, 09:33:14 AM
The difference is you can call out the wrongs of past presidents. That is how you get elected. This president however, can not accept responsibilty for anything his is in charge of. Reagan did identify the disasterous presidency of Carter. But you didn't hear it some 18 months into his presidency still blaming Carter, still blaming Carter.... Still blaming Carter.... AND STILL bLAMING carter.

I'm beginning to think 240 is a paid blogger for the WH. 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 12secGT on June 11, 2010, 09:33:28 AM
Oil spill is on obama's watch.  He had 15 months to change it, and didn't.  However, until the Repubs deliver a "GOP BP Solution", they're nothing more than critics without any means to improve the situation.

That being said...

Ronald Reagan's 1984 acceptance speech

He was still blaming Carter...

So I guess your logic means that since the democrats had not alternative solution to dealing with Iraq, and the war on terror, they too were nothing more that critics without any means to improve the situation? Oh how quickly we forget the early 2000's...
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 12secGT on June 11, 2010, 09:34:20 AM
I'm beginning to think 240 is a paid blogger for the WH. 
Maybe he is chicken Little.. Oh I mean the press secretary Gibbs...  ;D
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 09:39:33 AM
LOL 240 or Gibbs  ;D


Yes, the dems didn't have a true alternative solution to iraq mess, which is why Bush got re-elected.

And until the GOp delivers a solution to BP (they have none), wallstreet reform (which they voted against), healthcare (which their only solution is repeal and go back to doing nothing"....

Until they have real solutions, Obama will win in 2012.

Remmeber - obama DID have an economic solution (and 98% of ppl saw a tax drop this year).  mccain did not.  hell, mccain denied there was a problem when RPaul and Dems knew it and admitted it.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 12secGT on June 11, 2010, 09:51:36 AM
LOL 240 or Gibbs  ;D


Yes, the dems didn't have a true alternative solution to iraq mess, which is why Bush got re-elected.

And until the GOp delivers a solution to BP (they have none), wallstreet reform (which they voted against), healthcare (which their only solution is repeal and go back to doing nothing"....

Until they have real solutions, Obama will win in 2012.

Remmeber - obama DID have an economic solution (and 98% of ppl saw a tax drop this year).  mccain did not.  hell, mccain denied there was a problem when RPaul and Dems knew it and admitted it.
WHO SAW A TAX DROP????? i'm in the 98% i didn't get a tax decrease!!! my taxes increased!!! pLEASE AMN... STOP DRINKING THE KOOL AID!
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 12secGT on June 11, 2010, 09:55:36 AM
LOL 240 or Gibbs  ;D


Yes, the dems didn't have a true alternative solution to iraq mess, which is why Bush got re-elected.

And until the GOp delivers a solution to BP (they have none), wallstreet reform (which they voted against), healthcare (which their only solution is repeal and go back to doing nothing"....

Until they have real solutions, Obama will win in 2012.

Remmeber - obama DID have an economic solution (and 98% of ppl saw a tax drop this year).  mccain did not.  hell, mccain denied there was a problem when RPaul and Dems knew it and admitted it.
gGibbs...
But to answer you without flipping out  :P again... I think there is culpability on BP aand if needed, jail should be included, and not just fines. What other solution could their be at this point? The problem here is this happened in FEDERAL waters where a federal response was supposed to be immediate. It took Obama a full 30 days TO REACT!! 30 DAMN DAYS!! Katrina, was a local disaster. The charter states that the given state is the first responder and the feds can only intervine when they are asked to. Bush responded 8 days after Katrina hit. Albeit the wrong choice of words at some of his speaches... But the difference in leadership is mind numbing.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 10:07:08 AM
what other solution?

How about offering companies $ to fix it - a bounty of sorts.  $1 bil to the firm that can deliver the most effective solution.  Let BP pay it, of course.

let them send in their ships, on their dime.  Whoever nuetralizes oil gets the bounty.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 12secGT on June 11, 2010, 10:08:31 AM
what other solution?

How about offering companies $ to fix it - a bounty of sorts.  $1 bil to the firm that can deliver the most effective solution.  Let BP pay it, of course.

let them send in their ships, on their dime.  Whoever nuetralizes oil gets the bounty.
Well didn't Palin offer Alaska's help and Obama first refused? I think Alaska knows a thing or two about oil drilling and recovery...
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2010, 10:09:47 AM
Well didn't Palin offer Alaska's help and Obama first refused? I think Alaska knows a thing or two about oil drilling and recovery...

ZERO will aloow the country to burn before he allows Palin to clean up one of his messes. 

Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 12secGT on June 11, 2010, 10:11:38 AM
ZERO will aloow the country to burn before he allows Palin to clean up one of his messes. 


Of course. Politics over the people.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 10:11:50 AM
what did palin offer?

And how, as a private citizen, does she have the ability to offer anything on alaska's behalf?
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2010, 10:15:53 AM
what did palin offer?

And how, as a private citizen, does she have the ability to offer anything on alaska's behalf?


240 - your bs is wearing thin.  She already offered to help twice.   
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 10:24:02 AM
240 - your bs is wearing thin.  She already offered to help twice.   

cool - i didn't know this.  link?
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2010, 10:34:01 AM
cool - i didn't know this.  link?


Palin to Obama: Call me
By: Julie Mason
Examiner White House Correspondent
06/09/10 5:45 PM EDT



So, what are you wearing?                               (white house photo)

Really, Sarah Palin? The former Alaska governor -- no stranger to salty talk -- takes a dim view of President Obama's quest for someone's "ass to kick" over the BP oil spill -- and says he can call her if he wants some expert advice.

From Palin's latest Facebook rumination, "Less Talkin', More Kickin'

My experience (though, granted, I got the message loud and clear during the campaign that my executive experience managing the fastest growing community in the state, and then running the largest state in the union, was nothing compared to the experiences of a community organizer) showed me how government officials and oil execs could scratch each others’ backs to the detriment of the public, and it made me ill. I ran for Governor to fight such practices.

Palin rattles off some experts he can tap for advice. Then adds:

We’ve all lived and worked through the Exxon-Valdez spill. They can help you. Give them a call. Or, what the heck, give me a call.

Awww! Well, having questioned her credentials as a nuclear expert, it's not likely Obama will be turning to Palin for advice very soon. Or ever.



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Palin-to-Obama-Call-me--95998279.html#ixzz0qZCUd3ie
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 10:41:12 AM
Oh.  I see.  Nothing but a publicity ploy.  If she really wanted to help, she would call the white house. 

however, she wants to be seen as 'sought after'.  You know, she has the answers, but she's keeping them secret.

Now that she's seen obama isn't going to call her, why not release her ideas publicly - deliver a solution to this mess?  Look past obama's political thickheadedness.  Do it for the good of the nation.

333386, why do you think she is keeping her expertise to herself?  Why not use her platform to do what is best for the US of A - tell us how to fix this mess?
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2010, 10:44:10 AM
Why even bother?  ZERO turned down help already from others. 

240 - seriously, are you being paid for this?
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Fury on June 11, 2010, 10:44:43 AM
what other solution?

How about offering companies $ to fix it - a bounty of sorts.  $1 bil to the firm that can deliver the most effective solution.  Let BP pay it, of course.

let them send in their ships, on their dime.  Whoever nuetralizes oil gets the bounty.

Norway, Saudi Arabia and Russia offered to help. Obama rejected it.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 10:48:33 AM
why bother?  cause you love america!


Do you think Palin really knows something all the experts do not?

Or, do you think she just wants to be able to say in 2012 "I offered my help barry, you didn't take it!"

Strictly political dude.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: BM OUT on June 11, 2010, 10:51:18 AM
Oh.  I see.  Nothing but a publicity ploy.  If she really wanted to help, she would call the white house. 

however, she wants to be seen as 'sought after'.  You know, she has the answers, but she's keeping them secret.

Now that she's seen obama isn't going to call her, why not release her ideas publicly - deliver a solution to this mess?  Look past obama's political thickheadedness.  Do it for the good of the nation.

333386, why do you think she is keeping her expertise to herself?  Why not use her platform to do what is best for the US of A - tell us how to fix this mess?

Obama DOESNT WANT TO CLEAN IT!!!He wants as much damage as possible!!This is a path to cap and trade!!This man HATES America and only cares about destroying as much of it as he can before Nov.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 11:11:36 AM
If some jagoff in Fl named 240 had the solution to the oil mess - and bragged about being able to help - but didn't share his ideas, he'd be a complete prick.

likewise, if miss palin knows how to solve this mess, waiting for a political victory in obama calling her is an asinine and selfish move.  She should be on FB and twitter saying "THIS IS HOW TO SOLVE THE PROB!"

We all know she doesn't konw, so...
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2010, 11:24:38 AM
If some jagoff in Fl named 240 had the solution to the oil mess - and bragged about being able to help - but didn't share his ideas, he'd be a complete prick.

likewise, if miss palin knows how to solve this mess, waiting for a political victory in obama calling her is an asinine and selfish move.  She should be on FB and twitter saying "THIS IS HOW TO SOLVE THE PROB!"

We all know she doesn't konw, so...

Why not 240?  It worked for the pofs in the WH right? 

For 2 years he bashed bush claiming he had all the answers to the economy and ran on "hope & change" and now obviously doesnt know dick. 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 12secGT on June 11, 2010, 11:40:10 AM
why bother?  cause you love america!


Do you think Palin really knows something all the experts do not?

Or, do you think she just wants to be able to say in 2012 "I offered my help barry, you didn't take it!"

Strictly political dude.
Here's a newsflash for you. Alaska DRILLS for oil. Palin was the gov. Obama was a community organizer. So, yes. Palin knows more about oil drilling. As it looks, Palin knows more about a lot of things..
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 12:16:32 PM
Here's a newsflash for you. Alaska DRILLS for oil. Palin was the gov. Obama was a community organizer. So, yes. Palin knows more about oil drilling. As it looks, Palin knows more about a lot of things..

What does palin know about stopping a huge oil leak that could help Obama?

Why does she tease with this info?  "I'll only tell if you call me personally"?

WTF is that?  Her own political goals and need for approval come first, before putting a solution out there which might stop it?

Is that the case?  She has the answers, but would rather WAIT while millions lost their job, until Obama gives her political props?  What if he never calls?  She'll just keep it a secret forever?

So it's either that, or she doesn't have the answer.  She knows and is hiding it, or she is bluffing to use politically later. 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2010, 12:23:26 PM
240 - read my post.  The very things you are accusing palin of is exactly what Obama did to get in office, yet you still love him. 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2010, 12:24:55 PM
240 - read my post.  The very things you are accusing palin of is exactly what Obama did to get in office, yet you still love him. 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: BM OUT on June 11, 2010, 12:46:11 PM
What does palin know about stopping a huge oil leak that could help Obama?

Why does she tease with this info?  "I'll only tell if you call me personally"?

WTF is that?  Her own political goals and need for approval come first, before putting a solution out there which might stop it?

Is that the case?  She has the answers, but would rather WAIT while millions lost their job, until Obama gives her political props?  What if he never calls?  She'll just keep it a secret forever?

So it's either that, or she doesn't have the answer.  She knows and is hiding it, or she is bluffing to use politically later. 

Why does Palin need to have the answer?Obama said "uhhhhhh this is the day uhhhhhhh that the earth uhhhhhhhhh will start to uhhhhhhhh heal itself" .Let the almighty all knowing Obama stop it.Government can do everything you know.From running banks to running car companies to healing the earth.This fool wont even listen to the experts that have offered to help.

HE DOESNT WANT IT TO STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: BM OUT on June 11, 2010, 12:51:36 PM
What does palin know about stopping a huge oil leak that could help Obama?

Why does she tease with this info?  "I'll only tell if you call me personally"?

WTF is that?  Her own political goals and need for approval come first, before putting a solution out there which might stop it?

Is that the case?  She has the answers, but would rather WAIT while millions lost their job, until Obama gives her political props?  What if he never calls?  She'll just keep it a secret forever?

So it's either that, or she doesn't have the answer.  She knows and is hiding it, or she is bluffing to use politically later. 

I thought Obama said the day he was elected that this is the day the earth will start to heal itself.Why does he need help.He can do anything.He is an expert on all things.Thats what sitting in a racist church for twenty years and getting taught by the likes of Rev. Wright does.You can run banks,car companies,health care,clean up oil spills...

Obama wont even listen to Jindal because he either knows what to do,or he doesnt want a sollution.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: BM OUT on June 11, 2010, 12:57:27 PM
 thought Obama said the day he was elected that this is the day the earth will start to heal itself.Why does he need help.He can do anything.He is an expert on all things.Thats what sitting in a racist church for twenty years and getting taught by the likes of Rev. Wright does.You can run banks,car companies,health care,clean up oil spills...

Obama wont even listen to Jindal because he either knows what to do,or he doesn't want a solution.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: blacken700 on June 11, 2010, 01:08:12 PM
she don't even hold an elected office she can't offer shit, Jesus Christ all she is is a fucking quitter with big tits
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 01:29:49 PM
Why does Palin need to have the answer?

She's claiming she can help, so she must have some kind of answer.  She's hoarding this answer because she doesn't care about those in the gulf coast.

Or, she just kinda made it up to sound important.  Probably that.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2010, 01:31:19 PM
She's claiming she can help, so she must have some kind of answer.  She's hoarding this answer because she doesn't care about those in the gulf coast.

Or, she just kinda made it up to sound important.  Probably that.

 ::)  ::)  ::)

she actually dealt with these companies and similar agencies.  ZERO is just agitating the situation since that is all he knows how to do.   
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: BM OUT on June 11, 2010, 01:36:47 PM
She's claiming she can help, so she must have some kind of answer.  She's hoarding this answer because she doesn't care about those in the gulf coast.

Or, she just kinda made it up to sound important.  Probably that.

And Obama says he is going to kick some ass.Has he?He said the earth will heal itself.Has it?He said he is thinking about stopping this all the time but he has time for parties in the White house every week.Please,you have the balls to knock Palin when the guy in charge hasnt done a god dam thing to stop it,clean it up and has actually hindered Jindall.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 01:41:38 PM
::)  ::)  ::)

she actually dealt with these companies and similar agencies.  ZERO is just agitating the situation since that is all he knows how to do.   

I used to buy gas from BP, so I also dealt with them.

Please stop making this about obama - I concede he is completely impotent on this issue.

So... tell us what makes palin have an answer that BP and the nations top scientists don't have - and why won't she just share it already?
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2010, 01:52:41 PM
I used to buy gas from BP, so I also dealt with them.

Please stop making this about obama - I concede he is completely impotent on this issue.

So... tell us what makes palin have an answer that BP and the nations top scientists don't have - and why won't she just share it already?

Obama's job is to coordinate the cleanup response.   i know he cant plug the hole, other than Larry Sinclairs, but that is a different story. 

He is a disaster and agiating the situation horribly.  Whether its sending DOJ, barking threats, not calling Hayward, etc, its very clear is not a leader, but an agitator.   
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Hugo Chavez on June 11, 2010, 01:53:35 PM
"All this blaming Bush stuff"

And of course the right didn't blame Clinton years into Bush's admin ::)
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 02:00:36 PM
Obama's job is to coordinate the cleanup response.   i know he cant plug the hole, other than Larry Sinclairs, but that is a different story. 

He is a disaster and agiating the situation horribly.  Whether its sending DOJ, barking threats, not calling Hayward, etc, its very clear is not a leader, but an agitator.   

I agree here.

My point is not to argue that.

Someone said he rejected palin's help.  My belif is that she can't help, or she would do it already. She's just doing what she always does - try and take credit for everything, and always offer her 2 cents but no solutions.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2010, 02:02:09 PM
I agree here.

My point is not to argue that.

Someone said he rejected palin's help.  My belif is that she can't help, or she would do it already. She's just doing what she always does - try and take credit for everything, and always offer her 2 cents but no solutions.

Why not - thats how Barry got the WH right?   
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: bears on June 11, 2010, 02:04:41 PM
"All this blaming Bush stuff"

And of course the right didn't blame Clinton years into Bush's admin ::)

ah the proverbial "well they started it!!!" argument.  LOL.

it astounds me how this grotesquely simpleton argument continues to stand the test of time on these boards.  

what astounds me even more are all the voters who voted for "hope and change" simply overlook how everything obama does pretty much mirrors how the past two administrations operated and their defense is "well the bush and clinton administration did that too!!"  what was all that hope and change bullshit then?  

why can't we all just admit that both sides are completely unfair to the other and be done with it?  maybe then we can get this country's shit together.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: George Whorewell on June 11, 2010, 02:26:27 PM
LMAOOO @ 240-- "The experts don't know what to do.

Obama had James Cameron and Kevin Costner pitch solutions at the WH. Do you think they could have found some better people to ask than that?

It's so hysterical it's honestly scary. I thought appointing Kal Penn to a cabniet position was funny. Now we are asking James Cameron and Kevin Costner to stop an oil spill? Were Andy Dick and Rip Torn not availible?  ::)

Did you know that Troy Aikman also made a pitch to the WH for some company he represents to plug the spill? This is sheer madness. Obama is a weak, overmatched bufoon with a cabinet of braindead leftist stooges and DNC flunkies.

This administration is a complete and absolute joke in every single facet of governing. Both at home and abroad Obama is a fucking disaster. It's hard to be worse than GW Bush, but after less than two years, I would say we are within a fingernail of equaling Bush's many acts of stupidity. 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 11, 2010, 02:41:22 PM
Time #3 - I admit obama is completely helpless and impotent on this BP issue.

I just think palin is equally impotent.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Fury on June 11, 2010, 02:43:04 PM
Norway, Saudi Arabia and Russia, all VERY experienced drilling countries, offered their help on this spill. Obama rejected them. WHY?
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: MM2K on June 11, 2010, 02:53:06 PM
Its true that there were some conservative talk radio hosts who were blaming Clinton for 9/11. The truth is that both Bush and Clinton share some of the blame for it. However, we are ALL responsible for 9/11. None of us took terrorism seriously enough in the 1990s because we thought we had defeated facism forever after the fall of the Soviet Union. Its quite possible that the things needed to stop 9/11 would not have been politically feasable. Hell, look at what happened to George Bush politically. Not only did he successfully prevent another 9/11, he allowed the US to go the longest it has ever gone without a terrorist attack on American interests in 2 or 3 decades. Yet he had uber sensual utopian hysterics calling him the worst president ever.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Hugo Chavez on June 11, 2010, 05:18:50 PM
ah the proverbial "well they started it!!!" argument.  LOL.

it astounds me how this grotesquely simpleton argument continues to stand the test of time on these boards.  

what astounds me even more are all the voters who voted for "hope and change" simply overlook how everything obama does pretty much mirrors how the past two administrations operated and their defense is "well the bush and clinton administration did that too!!"  what was all that hope and change bullshit then?  

why can't we all just admit that both sides are completely unfair to the other and be done with it?  maybe then we can get this country's shit together.
that's not what I'm saying.  It's just lame/hypocritical for the right to lecture the left as though they're on some high ground in this matter.  I didn't suggest it's a valid reason to do it ::)
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Hugo Chavez on June 11, 2010, 05:23:21 PM
Its true that there were some conservative talk radio hosts who were blaming Clinton for 9/11. The truth is that both Bush and Clinton share some of the blame for it. However, we are ALL responsible for 9/11. None of us took terrorism seriously enough in the 1990s because we thought we had defeated facism forever after the fall of the Soviet Union. Its quite possible that the things needed to stop 9/11 would not have been politically feasable. Hell, look at what happened to George Bush politically. Not only did he successfully prevent another 9/11, he allowed the US to go the longest it has ever gone without a terrorist attack on American interests in 2 or 3 decades. Yet he had uber sensual utopian hysterics calling him the worst president ever.
not just 9/11.  Clinton was constantly being blamed for shit.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: tonymctones on June 11, 2010, 06:22:31 PM
I would say that yes huggy you have a point but you see obama ran on the platform of not a washington insider...

he was supposed to change washington so with that in mind yes HE does deserve to be called out for his bush bashing...

I also dont understand why he bitches about being left with a mess which I agree he was left with b/c the dumb ass didnt get left with it. HE RAN FOR OFFICE to have the right to deal with it...the dumb ass wanted the mess he wasnt left with it, he competed for it HE WON THE DAMN MESS....

he should be happy  ::)
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Danny on June 11, 2010, 06:27:05 PM
Norway, Saudi Arabia and Russia offered to help. Obama rejected it.

That was a very stupid move.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: bears on June 14, 2010, 09:07:24 AM
that's not what I'm saying.  It's just lame/hypocritical for the right to lecture the left as though they're on some high ground in this matter.  I didn't suggest it's a valid reason to do it ::)

but do you agree with the original post?  that is the question.  you chime in and say that the right is also guilty of choosing theories that make the left look bad but do you agree that the left is guilty of that as well?
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 14, 2010, 09:08:12 AM
That was a very stupid move.

I posted a story about the Dutch offering skimmers three days after the mess.  obama rejected it. 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Mons Venus on June 14, 2010, 09:21:55 AM
What I find funny with all this Bush's fault stuff is, days after 9-11  "they", meaning these Huffington Post, Al Divorced Gore, Charlie "Not Me" Rangle, and other liberals blamed Bush for sitting an extra 6 minutes in front of the school kids instead of jumping to action, they blamed him for not ordering the cockpit doors locked after the Security briefing document surfaced in the August before... all this blaming even while he was in office for...
NINE MONTHS
Meanwhile ol' Slick Willie got a free pass on the 911 attacks. His lack of doing ANYTHING to stop OBL, even when the Saudi's had him and wanted to hand him over to Slick. Instead, Slick was too busy getting a rim job by some fat ass intern to notice.

So, here we all sit. Some 16 months into what is shaping up to be the single most disasterous presidental campaign this country has endoured... And, what do we get??
BLAME BUSH.

So what is it libs???
If you blame Bush for the 8 years prior, certainly you can blame Clinton for his 8 years of doing ABSOLUTETLY NOTHING to stop the mounting threat of terrorism? Right? I mean or is it whatever works to get the heat off of your side??? I don't care about healthcare, oil spills, gay marrage... NOTHING has more of a greater impact negatively to our wellbeing than another serious terrorist attack. NOTHING. Blow up the #2 train in Penn Station with a dirty bomb and see what happens to the econ in 15 minutes after. Oil?? What oil... Dead sea turtles will be childs play.







9-11 was an INSIDE job. Wake up!!!  ::)
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 14, 2010, 09:24:19 AM
Was The Gulf Oil mess an inside job too? 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Mons Venus on June 14, 2010, 09:29:41 AM
Was The Gulf Oil mess an inside job too? 

With Government anything is possible.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Danny on June 14, 2010, 09:44:05 AM
I posted a story about the Dutch offering skimmers three days after the mess.  obama rejected it. 

Same answer, that was a very stupid move. Setting politics aside, which I'm sure they're in play big time on this subject, this should have been dealt with right away in an effective way to end it and trough any viable means including international assistance.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: drkaje on June 14, 2010, 09:49:10 AM
Norway, Saudi Arabia and Russia offered to help. Obama rejected it.

Maybe their trying to prevent other countries, companies, or private citizens from finding out exactly how bad the spill really is.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Danny on June 14, 2010, 10:59:31 AM
Maybe their trying to prevent other countries, companies, or private citizens from finding out exactly how bad the spill really is.

If reports of the sea bed being ruptured, more precisely the well casing or bowl being compromised are true, than we're in a very bad position....... How the hell do you contain a volcano of oil...that we, people , detonated manually??? That's the real concern IMO.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: MCWAY on June 14, 2010, 11:08:50 AM

Palin to Obama: Call me
By: Julie Mason
Examiner White House Correspondent
06/09/10 5:45 PM EDT



So, what are you wearing?                               (white house photo)

Really, Sarah Palin? The former Alaska governor -- no stranger to salty talk -- takes a dim view of President Obama's quest for someone's "ass to kick" over the BP oil spill -- and says he can call her if he wants some expert advice.

From Palin's latest Facebook rumination, "Less Talkin', More Kickin'

My experience (though, granted, I got the message loud and clear during the campaign that my executive experience managing the fastest growing community in the state, and then running the largest state in the union, was nothing compared to the experiences of a community organizer) showed me how government officials and oil execs could scratch each others’ backs to the detriment of the public, and it made me ill. I ran for Governor to fight such practices.

Palin rattles off some experts he can tap for advice. Then adds:

We’ve all lived and worked through the Exxon-Valdez spill. They can help you. Give them a call. Or, what the heck, give me a call.

Awww! Well, having questioned her credentials as a nuclear expert, it's not likely Obama will be turning to Palin for advice very soon. Or ever.



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Palin-to-Obama-Call-me--95998279.html#ixzz0qZCUd3ie


What do you expect? Obama brushed off Palin's governing experience (as did many on the left), because of the size of her home city of Wasilla and the relatively small population of the state of Alaska, claiming that Obama's campaign budget was bigger than Palin's budget as mayor of Wasilla.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 14, 2010, 11:10:49 AM
I know Palin has her faults, and there are many, but I still think she is far more grounded in reality than the obamas, bushes, clintons, etc. 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: MCWAY on June 14, 2010, 11:14:51 AM
I know Palin has her faults, and there are many, but I still think she is far more grounded in reality than the obamas, bushes, clintons, etc. 

But, the brushoff from the left was that she ran a small city and a (population-wise) small state.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Hugo Chavez on June 14, 2010, 11:24:43 AM
I would say that yes huggy you have a point but you see obama ran on the platform of not a washington insider...

he was supposed to change washington so with that in mind yes HE does deserve to be called out for his bush bashing...

I also dont understand why he bitches about being left with a mess which I agree he was left with b/c the dumb ass didnt get left with it. HE RAN FOR OFFICE to have the right to deal with it...the dumb ass wanted the mess he wasnt left with it, he competed for it HE WON THE DAMN MESS....

he should be happy  ::)
well that's nice and all but I don't see what it has to do with what I said.  The post was addressing libs, not just the president.  I never said Obama doesn't deserve to be called out for Bush bashing, just that rightwingers don't have some special high ground to preach from on this issue of blaming the prior president.  Even in the first post of this thread, we're asked to go even further back and still blame Clinton.  Well, point being, Clinton did get blamed for that stuff extensively during the Bush years by the right.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 14, 2010, 11:25:05 AM
But, the brushoff from the left was that she ran a small city and a (population-wise) small state.

Oh what the fuck ever.  What did the present communist do-nothing ever do to justify his office?  At least palin does not hate the country and seeks its destruction with every passing minute.  

Remember this gem?  Not one dick sucking, kneepadding, mindless, brainless, pofs lib obama supporting vermin can tell me what obama did between 2004 and 2006, 146 days to go from self admittedly unqualified, to being qualified for office.  McWay, did you ever see this video?  After seeing this video, every obama supporting palin basher needs to STFU

 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: drkaje on June 14, 2010, 11:33:40 AM
I know Palin has her faults, and there are many, but I still think she is far more grounded in reality than the obamas, bushes, clintons, etc. 

Palin is a dumbass' dumbass!!

She's more hitable than the people you mentioned but that's all.

If Republicans really wanted control over this mess they would have ran serious candidates.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: MCWAY on June 14, 2010, 11:34:31 AM
Oh what the fuck ever.  What did the present communist do-nothing ever do to justify his office?  At least palin does not hate the country and seeks its destruction with every passing minute.  

Remember this gem?  Not one dick sucking, kneepadding, mindless, brainless, pofs lib obama supporting vermin can tell me what obama did between 2004 and 2006, 146 days to go from self admittedly unqualified, to being qualified for office.  McWay, did you ever see this video?  After seeing this video, every obama supporting palin basher needs to STFU

 

You'll get no argument from me on that one. That's the thing that's so comical about the left's aforementioned activities, as it relates to Obama. They bash Palin for her lack of experience, yet do the Lewinsky on someone WITH EVEN LESS EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE than she has.

As Newt Gingrich said, while going to work on an MSNBC reporter, She's got more experience than Obama....She's been a mayor; he hasn't. She's been a governor; he hasn't. She has executive experience; he doesn't.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 14, 2010, 11:35:39 AM
Palin is a dumbass' dumbass!!

She's more hitable than the people you mentioned but that's all.

If Republicans really wanted control over this mess they would have ran serious candidates.


I'm not arguing that.  I'm saying I would rather have a dumbass who loves the country and its people as opposed to a dumbass who hates the country and seeks it destruction. 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: drkaje on June 14, 2010, 11:38:51 AM

I'm not arguing that.  I'm saying I would rather have a dumbass who loves the country and its people as opposed to a dumbass who hates the country and seeks it destruction. 

Someone who really loved the country would have known they were just a distraction and bowed out in time for a more reasonable candidate to run.

Also, can you really trust the judgement of someone willing to risk having disabled children due to their age?
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Hugo Chavez on June 14, 2010, 11:42:33 AM
but do you agree with the original post?  that is the question.  you chime in and say that the right is also guilty of choosing theories that make the left look bad but do you agree that the left is guilty of that as well?
yea, I'm not saying the left doesn't do it.  Of course they do.  The left also tells the right that it's stupid and demands it stop just like the right is doing now.  I remember that first year under Bush, I use to laugh my ass off at Fox News joking that they spent more time badmouthing Clinton than they did talking about Bush.  Back then I just called Fox the "Clinton did it Network" lol....
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 14, 2010, 11:44:42 AM
However, with 16 months post Bush, Pelosi indicated that she has no intention of ever ending her blaming Bush.  obama is doing the same.

Both are vermin and embarassments to the nation. 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: MCWAY on June 14, 2010, 11:44:52 AM
Someone who really loved the country would have known they were just a distraction and bowed out in time for a more reasonable candidate to run.

Also, can you really trust the judgement of someone willing to risk having disabled children due to their age?

At last check, the election of 2008 was between McCain and Obama, not Palin and Obama. What happened to that line, "People vote the top of the ticket".

The GOP put the veteran at the top and the rookie at the bottom; the Dems did the reverse.

This was basically feeding into the notion that, McCain might win, drop dead 10 seconds after taking the Oath of Office, and leave Palin as president.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Danny on June 14, 2010, 12:19:18 PM
At last check, the election of 2008 was between McCain and Obama, not Palin and Obama. What happened to that line, "People vote the top of the ticket".

The GOP put the veteran at the top and the rookie at the bottom; the Dems did the reverse.

This was basically feeding into the notion that, McCain might win, drop dead 10 seconds after taking the Oath of Office, and leave Palin as president.

Spot on.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 14, 2010, 12:35:12 PM
Palin is a dumbass' dumbass!!

She's more hitable than the people you mentioned but that's all.

If Republicans really wanted control over this mess they would have ran serious candidates.

You got it.  I would have knocked on every door in my city for John Thune. 

These dipshits put up a senile flipflopping libs, and a RINO with big titties.  That's good enough for them!
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 14, 2010, 12:38:20 PM
You got it.  I would have knocked on every door in my city for John Thune. 

These dipshits put up a senile flipflopping libs, and a RINO with big titties.  That's good enough for them!

240 - if it comes down to a dumbass who hates the nation or a dumbass who loves the nation but you want to bang - who do you pick? 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 14, 2010, 12:43:59 PM
240 - if it comes down to a dumbass who hates the nation or a dumbass who loves the nation but you want to bang - who do you pick? 

I vote the semi-intelligent individual with the non-RINO beliefs.  In 2008 that was the libertarian candidate.

You and everyone else on this board had to choose Dumbass RINO vs socialist lib.  And you spent 2 years arguing about which shit sandwich tasted better ;)
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 14, 2010, 12:46:24 PM
I vote the semi-intelligent individual with the non-RINO beliefs.  In 2008 that was the libertarian candidate.

You and everyone else on this board had to choose Dumbass RINO vs socialist lib.  And you spent 2 years arguing about which shit sandwich tasted better ;)


I knew one of the 2 crap sandwiches were going to win and I wanted the one that tasted a wee bit better. 
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: 240 is Back on June 14, 2010, 12:50:18 PM
I knew one of the 2 crap sandwiches were going to win and I wanted the one that tasted a wee bit better. 

Then YOU FAILED by voting Romney and not Ron paul in 2008.  And You Dems FAILED by voting Obama and Hilary over Kuscinish in 2008.   Epic voting failure because msn and fox told you who was viable.
Title: Re: All This Blaming Bush Stuff....
Post by: drkaje on June 14, 2010, 01:00:00 PM
At last check, the election of 2008 was between McCain and Obama, not Palin and Obama. What happened to that line, "People vote the top of the ticket".

The GOP put the veteran at the top and the rookie at the bottom; the Dems did the reverse.

This was basically feeding into the notion that, McCain might win, drop dead 10 seconds after taking the Oath of Office, and leave Palin as president.

Let's face it, McCain has PTSD. The guy had a breakdown running against Bush and started going all "evil empire" when the said he had a black grandchild during the South Carolina primary.

No one, and I do mean no one, could go through what he did and escape without being messed up in the head.

He was a lot better before becoming more of a politician. They got him to back off on immigration and also to never mention campaign finance again in exchange for the nod.

They're all whores.