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School Allows Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish, Parents Offended
The story of an elementary school in Wrightstown, Wisconsin that is being criticized for allowing its children to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in the Spanish language, caught the attention of U.S. English, a Washington, D.C. based advocacy group. U.S. English wants to make English the official language of the The United States of America.
In an attempt to share his point of view about the Pledge of Allegiance being cited in Spanish, The CEO of U.S. English wrote in a local newspaper, “Administrators in Wrightstown owe it to their students, especially those whom English is not their first language, to instill in them the value of speaking and understanding our common language. That includes reciting the Pledge of Allegiance in English.”
Parents have become outraged over the Pledge of Allegiance being allowed to be recited in the Spanish language. A parent of a kindergartner recently attended an event at Wrightstown Elementary School where the principal invited boys and girls to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in their choice of languages; either English or Spanish. When the parent witnessed this, she became concerned and contacted the FOX News Radio affiliate WTAQ in Green Bay.
The mother, who asked to remain anonymous, shared a copy of a letter she wrote to the principal explaining her opposition to the issue. The letter stated:
“Not only does reciting this in Spanish insult our family as American citizens, it is disrespectful to the veterans who have defended our country. English is the primary language in this country. The Pledge of Allegiance was written in English and should be recited in English. No similar accommodations were made for other immigrant patterns in history nor should they be as long as the American flag is flying. The purpose of the Pledge of Allegiance is to inspire patriotism and unify America. And to recite it in Spanish is offensive.”
The principal of the school, Lee Mierow attempted to defend his actions by stating in a letter that the offer students the Spanish recitation was an attempt at helping Spanish-speaking students to understand the importance of the Pledge of Allegiance. He stated, "It is my responsibility as a principal in a public school to give every student the opportunity to learn and grow as a student, no matter what their race or religion." He then went on to praise the parent’s patriotism, but reminded her that, “the Constitution guarantees the fundamental rights and civil liberties of every person in this country. The pledge is read and recited in Spanish by those students whose primary language is Spanish and is not recited by our English-speaking students who are not fluent in Spanish."
Another school, a senior high school in Edgertown, Wisconsin recently allowed students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish as well. Some war veterans were engaged. One Vietnam veteran said that the pledge should only be recited in English since, "this is the United States." He continued to say that reciting the pledge in another nation’s language is not only wrong, it’s unpatriotic. The school is defending the practice saying it’s an annual tradition for its students.
Written by Dr. KC Kelly Ph.D.
http://www.huliq.com/10017/school-allows-pledge-allegiance-spanish-parents-offended
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::) just a head shaker...
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::) just a head shaker...
It truly is a head shaker for me. Who cares what language someone uses... they are declaring and pledging their allegiance to the flag of the USA! That's your country! Who gives a shit what laguage they use to do it. The important part is that they're doing it.
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It truly is a head shaker for me. Who cares what language someone uses... they are declaring and pledging their allegiance to the flag of the USA! That's your country! Who gives a shit what laguage they use to do it. The important part is that they're doing it.
jagson if you cant communicate it makes it extremely hard to interact with one another...seeing as the majority of this country speaks english it would behoove someone who wants to assimilate themselves into this society to learn english...
if they dont want to assimilate they need to GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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In JagSON's perfect one-world communist utopia, everyone speaks, writes and reads in any language they please. Everyone on earth should learn everybody elses language regardless of where they live or what the circumstances are.
Every business will be required by law to print every single document in every single language just in case someone might not be able to understand it. All radio/ television shows and music will be made availible in every single language and will come equipped with close captioning and subtitles for every single language.
In school, each teacher will have to conduct an informal survey of every student and then learn each one of the students preffered languages fluently. Then, every single class will be conducted seperatly in that individual students native language. The school day will quadruple in length, and the entire ciriculum will center around math and foreign language.
In order to compensate for the brutally inefficient JagSON plan, the hours in every day will be extended from 24- 36.
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"The principal of the school, Lee Mierow attempted to defend his actions by stating in a letter that the offer students the Spanish recitation was an attempt at helping Spanish-speaking students to understand the importance of the Pledge of Allegiance. He stated, "It is my responsibility as a principal in a public school to give every student the opportunity to learn and grow as a student, no matter what their race or religion."
How bout they "learn" English, you gimpy toolbag?!?
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jagson if you cant communicate it makes it extremely hard to interact with one another...seeing as the majority of this country speaks english it would behoove someone who wants to assimilate themselves into this society to learn english...
if they dont want to assimilate they need to GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The majority of this world speaks English, and at least one other language. The majority of Americans speak only English, and barely. I believe we will all speak English in Heaven, for the sake of Americans. :)
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The majority of this world speaks English, and at least one other language. The majority of Americans speak only English, and barely. I believe we will all speak English in Heaven, for the sake of Americans. :)
You should have stopped after the part in bold.....it's the only "point" you make that means anything.
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You should have stopped after the part in bold.....it's the only "point" you make that means anything.
Why? Are you an American who speaks only English, barely? :)
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You should have stopped after the part in bold.....it's the only "point" you make that means anything.
You should be more tolerant, man. Never mind that these people REFUSE to even learn passable English, it's your fault that you can't understand them. ::)
This is akin to me driving to some suburb in Mexico and then getting pissed off when no one understands English. I wouldn't expect them to know English just like these people shouldn't expect us to know Spanish.
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Why? Are you an American who speaks only English, barely? :)
No taco, I actually speak a bit of german....can understand it better than speak it myself.... and the "point" is why learn one of hundreds of languages when we already speak the BY FAR predominant language spoken in the world?
It's no different than the US should have adopted the metric system years ago. Better system, easier to use, majority of the world uses it, etc....
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Actually, English and Spanish are the world's second and third most spoken languages by number of speakers, depending on where you look. Mandarin Chinese is first.
English, however, is the most used because of commerce.
http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/turner/languages.htm (http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/turner/languages.htm)
What I am saying is, many people expect things to happen overnight. Spanish-speaking people in this country will assimilate into the culture eventually. Just not on the same timetable. :)
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You should be more tolerant, man. Never mind that these people REFUSE to even learn passable English, it's your fault that you can't understand them. ::)
This is akin to me driving to some suburb in Mexico and then getting pissed off when no one understands English. I wouldn't expect them to know English just like these people shouldn't expect us to know Spanish.
Exactly. When I was in europe, when I visited a country I would make the effort to learn passable phrases to getby while in those countries....and if I was unable to communicate, it was my own fault. I didn't get pissed at the other person for not understanding me.
It's funny how the same people who consider themselves so "wordly" on here have a different set of standards for the US vs everybody else. If an American travels to a foreign country and can't speak the language, he is an "ugly American..." ::) And we are only talking about visiting....these turds actually want to live here! Yet we should learn their language.....whatever.
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The majority of this world speaks English, and at least one other language. The majority of Americans speak only English, and barely. I believe we will all speak English in Heaven, for the sake of Americans. :)
That presumes Americans will even make it into heaven. :D
I have a feeling God might look down on the gigantic clusterfvck called the USA and but an abloy on the Pearly Gates! ;D
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That presumes Americans will even make it into heaven. :D
I have a feeling God might look down on the gigantic clusterfvck called the USA and but an abloy on the Pearly Gates! ;D
Jag,
You just hate Americans because Canada is America's retarded little brother. :)
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No taco, I actually speak a bit of german....can understand it better than speak it myself.... and the "point" is why learn one of hundreds of languages when we already speak the BY FAR predominant language spoken in the world?
It's no different than the US should have adopted the metric system years ago. Better system, easier to use, majority of the world uses it, etc....
Why learn one of hundreds of languages? No, just Spanish. Americans should learn Spanish since it is the second most spoken language in America, and soon to be the first...Hispanics spread like roaches. ;D
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Jag,
You just hate Americans because Canada is America's retarded little brother. :)
Actually, we Canadians think of Americans as our retarded cousins, ...but we don't like to admit any familial relationships. I don't hate Americans. How can you hate a people who give you such huge belly laughs? They're like stupid annoying little children who run with scissors, while their shoe laces are untied. You know eventually they're going to trip and fall, ...and they do. But like the retarded little bastards they are... they get right back up and do it again, ...and again, ...and again. The laughs just keep on coming. ;D
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Exactly. When I was in europe, when I visited a country I would make the effort to learn passable phrases to getby while in those countries....and if I was unable to communicate, it was my own fault. I didn't get pissed at the other person for not understanding me.
It's funny how the same people who consider themselves so "wordly" on here have a different set of standards for the US vs everybody else. If an American travels to a foreign country and can't speak the language, he is an "ugly American..." ::) And we are only talking about visiting....these turds actually want to live here! Yet we should learn their language.....whatever.
psst: It's not the inability to speak the native tongue that makes people call them "ugly Americans".
It's for reasons far more pervasive and substantive than that. Think "Bullet" from the OC and arrogant hubris.
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Jag hates America because she couldn't hack it as an actress here
I never pursued an acting career in the US. I live in Canada and this was where I worked.
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The majority of this world speaks English, and at least one other language. The majority of Americans speak only English, and barely. I believe we will all speak English in Heaven, for the sake of Americans. :)
What country are you in? Case closed.
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I never pursued an acting career in the US. I live in Canada and this was where I worked.
Appearing on the nightly news for picking up johns doesnt count.
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Why learn one of hundreds of languages? No, just Spanish. Americans should learn Spanish since it is the second most spoken language in America, and soon to be the first...Hispanics spread like roaches. ;D
They are roaches. Which is why they need to be stopped at all costs.
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Appearing on the nightly news for picking up johns doesnt count.
There is not a john alive that would hit that with a ten foot pole.
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There is not a john alive that would hit that with a ten foot pole.
I think Eyeball said he would.
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Actually, we Canadians think of Americans as our retarded cousins, ...but we don't like to admit any familial relationships. I don't hate Americans. How can you hate a people who give you such huge belly laughs? They're like stupid annoying little children who run with scissors, while their shoe laces are untied. You know eventually they're going to trip and fall, ...and they do. But like the retarded little bastards they are... they get right back up and do it again, ...and again, ...and again. The laughs just keep on coming. ;D
You type a lot, but none of it matters because Canada, as everyone knows, is irrelevant. No one cares about Canada. No one sees Canada as a leader in anything.
Except for hockey and the Niagara Falls, what does Canada have to offer? Yeah, yeah, your stupid argument is that the USA is just a war mongering nation. But the fact is this world would be utter garbage, it would be in an even worst state then it is now if it wasn't for the USA. Which is why so many people and their mother risk their lives to come here. Most illegally, right, loco toto.
Canada could disappear and no one would notice. I take that back. It would be a loss of a damn good parking lot.
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I think Eyeball said he would.
Are you sure it wasn't Mons Venus? He probably is too busy with dungeons and dragons.
Maybe Lurker would. Oops, what am I thinking. He is a polesmoker.
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Why is their outrage over this? There is NO Official language in the United States. None. If someone wants to recite the pledge in Swahili it's still the pledge. It's not like they are desecrating the flag or anything. As long as they say it correctly i really don't see what there is to be upset about, other than xenophobia taking charge here.
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Why is their outrage over this? There is NO Official language in the United States. None. If someone wants to recite the pledge in Swahili it's still the pledge. It's not like they are desecrating the flag or anything. As long as they say it correctly i really don't see what there is to be upset about, other than xenophobia taking charge here.
while I agree that they are pledging alligience to the flag and thats good
read this...
jagson if you cant communicate it makes it extremely hard to interact with one another...seeing as the majority of this country speaks english it would behoove someone who wants to assimilate themselves into this society to learn english...
if they dont want to assimilate they need to GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The majority of this world speaks English, and at least one other language. The majority of Americans speak only English, and barely. I believe we will all speak English in Heaven, for the sake of Americans. :)
LOL nice straw man...the majority of ppl learn the language that is prevelant in their society in order to help communicate....the language prevelant in our society is english and thats what needs to be learned
Im not saying stop talking spanish what Im saying is LEARN ENGLISH......
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psst: It's not the inability to speak the native tongue that makes people call them "ugly Americans".
It's for reasons far more pervasive and substantive than that. Think "Bullet" from the OC and arrogant hubris.
pssssst, I was just using that as an example. Have you ever been allowed to leave Canada, or are you quarantined?
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LOL nice straw man...the majority of ppl learn the language that is prevelant in their society in order to help communicate....the language prevelant in our society is english and thats what needs to be learned
Im not saying stop talking spanish what Im saying is LEARN ENGLISH......
Is that why? So if/when Spanish goes from being 2nd to being the language prevalent in your society, will you learn Spanish? :)
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What country are you in? Case closed.
What country am I in? What does that have to do with anything?
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They are roaches. Which is why they need to be stopped at all costs.
Hispanics are not roaches. I said Hispanics spread like roaches because they have a healthy birth rate, unlike Americans to have a declining birth rate. Some day, not far away, Dario won't be able to find work in the US until he learns Spanish. :)
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Hispanics are not roaches. I said Hispanics spread like roaches because they have a healthy birth rate, unlike Americans to have a declining birth rate. Some day, not far away, Dario won't be able to find work in the US until he learns Spanish. :)
No, illegal hispanics are roaches. The day that this country becomes overflooded with illegal hispanics to the point that people would be forced to learn Spanish, that is the day that the USA becomes a third rate country like Mexico. When that happens, it is time to get out and leave the degenerates to use up all the resources of this country, to bring it down to poverty like they have done in their own countries and to invade Canada once they can't sustain themselves. Or Russia can do the USA a favor and fumigate it with its nukes. The latter option is favorable to having people who can't resolve their economic problems take over the greatest nation on earth.
Yo hablo Español. Es por eso que yo puedo comunicarme con gentes de ambos puntos de vistas. No tengo problema con la persona que se esfuerza para llegar a esta gran nacion, asimilar, y contribuir. Pero el arrogante criminal que viene aqui para estar mandando todo lo que tiene a su nacion en ves de apoyar la economia de USA y se pasa con estupidezes, al tal, se debe deportar. Como hace el toilet de Mexico que deporta a todos los ilegales. El dia que esta nacion caiga en manos de solamente los hispanos, es el dia que deja de ser una gran nacion y terminara como Mexico, Guatemala, Venezuela, Honduras y todo el resto de las porquerias de Centro y Sur America.
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Is that why? So if/when Spanish goes from being 2nd to being the language prevalent in your society, will you learn Spanish? :)
here is the thing LOCO if ppl assimilate themselves to OUR society then spanish wont become the prevalent language in AMERICA ::)
and if the dont want to assimilate to our society THEY NEED TO GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) 8)
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here is the thing LOCO if ppl assimilate themselves to OUR society then spanish wont become the prevalent language in AMERICA ::)
and if the dont want to assimilate to our society THEY NEED TO GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) 8)
Doesn't the constitution afford them the right to speak whatever language they please? They have freedom of speech. There is no official language so it isn't a hard argument to make that they are afforded that right in America to speak whatever language they wish.
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Doesn't the constitution afford them the right to speak whatever language they please? They have freedom of speech. There is no official language so it isn't a hard argument to make that they are afforded that right in America to speak whatever language they wish.
ONCE AGAIN I am not saying that they shouldnt speak spanish WHAT IM SAYING IS THAT THEY SHOULD LEARN ENGLISH AS WELL
that way they can assimilate into OUR society...why should we accomidate them? they are the ones coming into our society so they should be the ones to learn how to communicate not us by giving govt documents in spanish... ::)
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ONCE AGAIN I am not saying that they shouldnt speak spanish WHAT IM SAYING IS THAT THEY SHOULD LEARN ENGLISH AS WELL
that way they can assimilate into OUR society...why should we accomidate them? they are the ones coming into our society so they should be the ones to learn how to communicate not us by giving govt documents in spanish... ::)
Where did it say these students weren't being taught to speak English? The principal said in an effort to make them feel comfortable, you know not alienated, he allows them to say it in Spanish. It's not like they are letting them write their essays in Spanish, it's an olive branch and i would imagine it's very effective at making those kids who are learning English feel more at home and welcome in the United States. These are kids after all and learning in a culture of acceptance is far more productive than one of fear and/or xenophobia.
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Where did it say these students weren't being taught to speak English? The principal said in an effort to make them feel comfortable, you know not alienated, he allows them to say it in Spanish. It's not like they are letting them write their essays in Spanish, it's an olive branch and i would imagine it's very effective at making those kids who are learning English feel more at home and welcome in the United States. These are kids after all and learning in a culture of acceptance is far more productive than one of fear and/or xenophobia.
where did it say they were?
look how hard is it to learn the pledge? its a few sentences
an olive branch would be these ppl learning the english language and reciting the pledge in ENGLISH...
Like I said I agree that its better than them not saying the pledge but this is just more examples of ways that we accommodate immigrants in this country specifically mexican immigrants...if you dont want to assimilate GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!
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"The principal of the school, Lee Mierow attempted to defend his actions by stating in a letter that the offer students the Spanish recitation was an attempt at helping Spanish-speaking students to understand the importance of the Pledge of Allegiance. He stated, "It is my responsibility as a principal in a public school to give every student the opportunity to learn and grow as a student, no matter what their race or religion."
How bout they "learn" English, you gimpy toolbag?!?
Forcing you to learn Spanish makes more sense. :)
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No, illegal hispanics are roaches. The day that this country becomes overflooded with illegal hispanics to the point that people would be forced to learn Spanish, that is the day that the USA becomes a third rate country like Mexico. When that happens, it is time to get out and leave the degenerates to use up all the resources of this country, to bring it down to poverty like they have done in their own countries and to invade Canada once they can't sustain themselves. Or Russia can do the USA a favor and fumigate it with its nukes. The latter option is favorable to having people who can't resolve their economic problems take over the greatest nation on earth.
I agree with you, Dario! I wasn't talking about illegal Hispanics. I was talking about lawful permanent resident Hispanics and American citizen Hispanics.
Yo hablo Español. Es por eso que yo puedo comunicarme con gentes de ambos puntos de vistas. No tengo problema con la persona que se esfuerza para llegar a esta gran nacion, asimilar, y contribuir. Pero el arrogante criminal que viene aqui para estar mandando todo lo que tiene a su nacion en ves de apoyar la economia de USA y se pasa con estupidezes, al tal, se debe deportar. Como hace el toilet de Mexico que deporta a todos los ilegales. El dia que esta nacion caiga en manos de solamente los hispanos, es el dia que deja de ser una gran nacion y terminara como Mexico, Guatemala, Venezuela, Honduras y todo el resto de las porquerias de Centro y Sur America.
No sabia que hablabas Español. Muy bien! ;D Una vez mas, estoy de acuerdo con tigo. Solo estoy bromeando en esta discusión. Estoy de acuerdo que en Estados Unidos, todos deben aprender Ingles.
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here is the thing LOCO if ppl assimilate themselves to OUR society then spanish wont become the prevalent language in AMERICA ::)
and if the dont want to assimilate to our society THEY NEED TO GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) 8)
Do you speak the language of the native Americans who where there first? Did you assimilate into their society? :)
You didn't answer my question. If/when Spanish goes from being 2nd to being the language prevalent in your society, will you learn Spanish?
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Do you speak the language of the native Americans who where there first? Did you assimilate into their society? :)
You didn't answer my question. If/when Spanish goes from being 2nd to being the language prevalent in your society, will you learn Spanish?
I wasnt around when that happend ::)
i did answer your question it uses false logic...you see your premise is dependent on the fact that ppl assimilate into society so therefore I should if it came to that point the problem in your logic is that we wont ever get to that point if ppl assimilated into our society that speaks english...
why should I assimilate if they dont? I wouldnt expect ppl to go out of their way to provide me with a line of communication if I went to their home, their town, state or country...why should these ppl expect us to do it?
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No sabia que hablabas Español. Muy bien! ;D Una vez mas, estoy de acuerdo con tigo. Solo estoy bromeando en esta discusión. Estoy de acuerdo que en Estados Unidos, todos deben aprender Ingles.
Holy Cow!!! I didn't know I could read Spanish!!! :o
Please tell me if my understanding is correct.
No sabia que hablabas Español. Muy bien! = I didn't know you spoke Spanish. very good!
Una vez mas, estoy de acuerdo con tigo. = something, I'm in agreement with you.
not sure what una vez mas means, just know it's a lyric in Iglesias's spanish version of his song hero.
Solo estoy bromeando en esta discusión. = I was only something in this discussion.
not sure what the verb "bromeando" means. I'm assume 'kidding' based on the context.
Estoy de acuerdo que en Estados Unidos, todos deben aprender Ingles. = I am in agreement that in the United States, everyone needs to learn English.
So how did I do? :D While the pronunciation is very different, it's remarkably close to Italian & French
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Do you speak the language of the native Americans who where there first? Did you assimilate into their society? :)
You didn't answer my question. If/when Spanish goes from being 2nd to being the language prevalent in your society, will you learn Spanish?
Maybe that's his big fear? That mainstream Americans today, will go the way of the natives? :o
Do you think maybe the Mexican swine flu is a grand conspiracy cooked up by Fox and Calderone to be the 21st century version of smallpox, and to do to Americans what the colonists and settlers did to the Indians? :o
oh the absolute horror!!! no wonder they're so scared of hispanics! :o