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Hope & Change!
Damn - this student should have KTFO this jerk.
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That kid should have ko'd him as soon as he laid hands on him.
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That kid should have ko'd him as soon as he laid hands on him.
The student should press charges. This is as clear a case of assault as you get.
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The student should press charges. This is as clear a case of assault as you get.
Just sent the vid to our local news here in Raleigh, lets see if they cover it or not.
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nothing will happen to him, he is a liberal, they are the loving caring ones who can do whatever they please now if that were a rep congressman there would be law suits, protests, and god knows what else
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nothing will happen to him, he is a liberal, they are the loving caring ones who can do whatever they please now if that were a rep congressman there would be law suits, protests, and god knows what else
Yep......I'm going to send the link over and over to all the news outlets here and just see if any of them will cover it.
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Yep......I'm going to send the link over and over to all the news outlets here and just see if any of them will cover it.
Awesome job. This guy probably kicks the dog at home too.
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thats funny ;D i am sure most of them will not , they dont want to piss off daddy general electric
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thats funny ;D i am sure most of them will not , they dont want to piss off daddy general electric
Imagine if Michelle Bachmann, Bohner, Cantor, Pence, Ryan, or any GOP guy did this?
Typical left wing double standard.
That kid could have KTFO'd the Cong with a counter punch like Franklin did to Lidell this past weekend.
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shit i know these people arent congressmen but imagine if sarah palin or rush did that HOLY SHIT it would be front page over the oil spill
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Is the congressman drunk?He sounds like he is hammered.I will say this,unlike most congressman he seemed like a pretty tough dude.That kid couldnt break his grip,I was actually kind of impressed.
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Is the congressman drunk?He sounds like he is hammered.I will say this,unlike most congressman he seemed like a pretty tough dude.That kid couldnt break his grip,I was actually kind of impressed.
Probably an abusive husband. Looks like he beats his kids and the family dog.
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Is the congressman drunk?He sounds like he is hammered.I will say this,unlike most congressman he seemed like a pretty tough dude.That kid couldnt break his grip,I was actually kind of impressed.
Billy, what would have happened to the right honorable congressman if he had grabbed your right wrist like that? 8)
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I don't know about this one. Why didn't these "students" identify themselves, or at least, state the college/university from which they attended? Maybe there's more to this than the clip displayed. But, I don't blame the congressman for his actions, simply because some kid rolled up on him with a camera.
If this project is on the up-and-up, simply explain it to the Congressman. If he still acts the way he did, then you have a case to make.
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sadly journalists on public property by law dont have to identify anything , look at the paperazzi with stars, however when a star lays a finger on journalist the journalist always win that case.
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I don't know about this one. Why didn't these "students" identify themselves, or at least, state the college/university from which they attended? Maybe there's more to this than the clip displayed. But, I don't blame the congressman for his actions, simply because some kid rolled up on him with a camera.
If this project is on the up-and-up, simply explain it to the Congressman. If he still acts the way he did, then you have a case to make.
Legally that does not hold water. There is no excuse or justification for assaulting someone like this guy did. And for what? He was asked if he supports the Obama agenda. Its not like the kid made crude remarks about his family or something.
This kid should press charges and let it be a huge uissue for the Nov. elections.
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I don't know about this one. Why didn't these "students" identify themselves, or at least, state the college/university from which they attended? Maybe there's more to this than the clip displayed. But, I don't blame the congressman for his actions, simply because some kid rolled up on him with a camera.
If this project is on the up-and-up, simply explain it to the Congressman. If he still acts the way he did, then you have a case to make.
Huh? So if you as a taxpayer of the US see an elected official in public and ask him what he supports, or doesn't support, you think he has the right to assault you? :-\
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Glen Beck hitting this on the radio now.
This video is going to go viral now.
DEMOCRATS = THUGS AND COMMUNISTS
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Huh? So if you as a taxpayer of the US see an elected official in public and ask him what he supports, or doesn't support, you think he has the right to assault you? :-\
That ain't assault. ASSAULT is what the SEIU thugs did to that black conservative guy in St. Louis, calling him a "N#(*&$@"....THAT'S ASSAULT!!!!
You don't just roll up to someone with a camera, asking them stuff. Again, if they're on the up-and-up, simply explain what college from which you attend and what the nature of the project is.
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wonder if dyke maddow or that asshat olberman will report on this video??
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This is classic assault and battery.
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Two separate offenses against the person that when used in one expression may be defined as any unlawful and unpermitted touching of another. Assault is an act that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent, harmful, or offensive contact. The act consists of a threat of harm accompanied by an apparent, present ability to carry out the threat. Battery is a harmful or offensive touching of another.
The main distinction between the two offenses is the existence or nonexistence of a touching or contact. While contact is an essential element of battery, there must be an absence of contact for assault. Sometimes assault is defined loosely to include battery.
Assault and battery are offenses in both criminal and Tort Law; therefore, they can give rise to criminal or civil liability. In Criminal Law, an assault may additionally be defined as any attempt to commit a battery.
At Common Law, both offenses were misdemeanors. As of the early 2000s, under virtually all criminal codes, they are either misdemeanors or felonies. They are characterized as felonious when accompanied by a criminal intent, such as an intent to kill, rob, or rape, or when they are committed with a dangerous weapon.
IntentIntent is an essential element of both offenses. Generally, it is only necessary for the defendant to have an intent to do the act that causes the harm. In other words, the act must be done voluntarily. Although an intent to harm the victim is likely to exist, it is not a required element of either offense. There is an exception to this rule for the attempted battery type of criminal assault. If a defendant who commits this crime does not have an intent to harm the victim, the individual cannot be guilty of the offense.
DefensesConsent In almost all states, consent is a defense to civil assault and battery. Some jurisdictions hold that in the case of mutual combat, consent will not suffice and either party may sue the other. Jurisdictions also differ on the question of whether consent is a defense to criminal assault and battery.
Consent must be given voluntarily in order to constitute a defense. If it is obtained by Fraud or duress or is otherwise unlawful, it will not suffice. When an act exceeds the scope of the given consent, the defense is not available. A person who participates in a football game implies consent to a certain amount of physical contact; however, the individual is not deemed to consent to contact beyond what is commonly permitted in the sport.
Self-Defense Generally, a person may use whatever degree of force is reasonably necessary for protection from bodily harm. Whether this defense is valid is usually determined by a jury. A person who initiates a fight cannot claim Self-Defense unless the opponent responded with a greater and unforeseeable degree of force. When an aggressor retreats and is later attacked by the same opponent, the defense may be asserted.
The use of Deadly Force in response may be justified if it is initially used by the aggressor. The situation must be such that a reasonable person would be likely to fear for his or her life. In some states, a person must retreat prior to using deadly force if the individual can do so in complete safety. A majority of states, however, allow a person to stand his or her ground even though there is a means of safe escape.
Whether the degree of force used is reasonable depends upon the circumstances. The usual test applied involves determining whether a reasonable person in a similar circumstance would respond with a similar amount of force. Factors such as age, size, and strength of the parties are also considered.
Defense of Others Going to the aid of a person in distress is a valid defense, provided the defender is free from fault. In some states, the
defender is treated as though he or she stands in the shoes of the person protected. The defender's right to claim defense of others depends upon whether the person protected had a justified claim of self-defense. In a minority of jurisdictions, the defense may be asserted if the defender reasonably believed the third party was in need of aid.
Defense of Property Individuals may use a reasonable amount of force to protect their property. The privilege to defend one's property is more limited than that of self-defense because society places a lesser value on property than on the integrity of human beings. Deadly force is usually not permitted. In most states, however, deadly force might be justified if it is used to prevent or stop a felony. An owner of real property or a person who rightfully possesses it, such as a tenant, may use force against a trespasser. Generally, a request to leave the property must be made before the application of force, unless the request would be futile. The amount of force used must be reasonable, and, unless it is necessary for self-defense, the infliction of bodily harm upon an intruder is improper. Courts have traditionally been more liberal in allowing the use of force to protect one's dwelling. Subsequent cases, however, indicated that there must be a threat to the personal safety of the occupants.
The states are divided on the question of whether a person who is legally entitled to property may use force to recover possession of it. In most jurisdictions, a landowner is not liable for assault and battery if the owner forcibly expels someone who is wrongfully on the property. The owner must not, however, use excessive force, and the fact that the person may not be held civilly liable does not relieve the owner of criminal liability. In some states, the use of force against a person wrongfully in possession of land is not permitted unless such person has tortiously dispossessed the actor or the actor's predecessor in title.
If possession of real or Personal Property is in dispute, the universal rule is that force cannot be used. The dispute must be settled by a court.
With respect to personal property, the general view is that an owner may not commit an assault or battery upon the wrongdoer in order to recover property. A majority of jurisdictions recognize the right of an owner in Hot Pursuit of stolen property to use a reasonable amount of force to retrieve it. In some states, stolen property may be taken back peaceably wherever it is found, even if it is necessary to enter another's premises. In all cases, the infliction of an unreasonable amount of harm will vitiate the defense.
Performance of Duty and Authority A person may use reasonable force when it becomes necessary in the course of performing a duty. A police officer, for example, may use force when apprehending a criminal. In some jurisdictions, private citizens may also use reasonable force to stop a crime being committed in their presence. Certain businesses, such as restaurants or nightclubs, are authorized to hire employees who may use reasonable force to remove persons who disturb other patrons. Court officers, such as judges, may order the removal of disruptive persons who interfere with their duties.
Persons with authority in certain relationships, such as parents or teachers, may use force as a disciplinary measure, provided they do not exceed the scope of their authority. Punishment may not be cruel or excessive.
PunishmentThe law considers an assault and battery to be an invasion of the personal security of the victim for which the wrongdoer is required to pay for damages. The determination of the amount of damages to which a victim might be entitled if a defendant is found civilly liable is usually made by a jury. Generally, a plaintiff is entitled to Compensatory Damages that compensate for injuries that are both directly and indirectly related to the wrong. Examples of compensatory damages include damages for pain and suffering, damages for medical expenses, and damages for lost earnings resulting from the victim's inability to work. Nominal damages, given although there is no harm at all, or merely a slight one, may also be awarded in an assault and battery action. Some jurisdictions allow the award of Punitive Damages. They are often given when the offense was committed wantonly or maliciously to punish the defendant for the wrongful act and to deter others from engaging in similar acts in the future. The defendant might additionally be subject to criminal liability.
If a defendant is found criminally liable, the punishment is imprisonment, a fine, or both. The amount of time a defendant must serve in prison depends upon the statute in the particular jurisdiction. When the offense is committed with an intent to murder or do serious harm, it is called aggravated assault and battery. An aggravated assault and battery is often committed with a dangerous weapon, and it is punishable as a felony in all states.
Further readings
Brewer, J. D. 1994. The Danger from Strangers: Confronting the Threat of Assault. Norwell, Mass.: Kluwer Academic.
Cross-references
Hot Pursuit; Nominal Damages; Personal Property; Punitive Damages; Real Property.
West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
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Billy, what would have happened to the right honorable congressman if he had grabbed your right wrist like that? 8)
Well,to be honest with you,Im a REALLY scarry person when you see me, so I doubt he would have grabbed me at all.I look like a cross between an old school pro wrestler and a white supremicist prison convict.If there was a award for ugly motherfuckers Id be in the running ESPECIALLY when Im over 310 like now.
However,I think if you shove a camera into someones face,you should expect a reaction,especially if you dont identify yourself.Im not saying the congressmans reaction was acceptable,but if someone shoves a camera in my face, where it so close my face is blurred on screen,Im probably not going to be happy about that.
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Already posted, but still shocking nonetheless.
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Local Media Now Onto Democrat Rep. Attack on College Student Interviewers
Freedom's Lighthouse ^ | June 14, 2010 | Brian
Posted on Monday, June 14, 2010 11:26:06 AM by Federalist Patriot
Media in Democrat Bob Etheridge’s North Carolina 2nd Congressional District are now onto the story of his attack on college students who attempted to ask him if he supported President Obama’s “full agenda.” Etheridge went berserk, hitting their camera and grabbing the arm of one student and refusing to let go as he asked repeatedly, “Who are you?”
Raleigh station WTVD has asked Etheridge’s office for a response, but has so far received nothing. But they report on a response from the North Carolina GOP:
WTVD – Raleigh: ABC11 has left messages with Etheridge’s office to get his side of the story about what happened. We’re waiting to hear back.
Meanwhile, Republicans are weighing in. National Republican Congressional Committee spokesman Jon Thompson e-mailed a comment to ABC11:
“Bob Etheridge has lost it. His conduct is unbecoming of a member of Congress. It’s bad enough that he’s joined Obama’s assault on North Carolina jobs, but his physical assault on a college student goes beyond the pale.” . . . . Read More
(Excerpt) Read more at freedomslighthouse.net ...
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GREAT JOB SHOWSTOPPA!
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did one of the news stations play the vid that showstoppa sent??
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Ha. Democrat thug.
Where are all the far-left fanboys to discredit this and somehow change the thread to a discussion on Sarah Palin? ::)
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did one of the news stations play the vid that showstoppa sent??
Not yet....I'm going to send it every couple of hours until i get a response.... ;D
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UPDATE: Here it is...
http://www.wral.com/
i actually got an email response that they are working on a story, plus it's on the website and thanked me for the heads-up....
"I'm kind of a big deal around here...."
;D
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UPDATE: Here it is...
http://www.wral.com/
i actually got an email response that they are working on a story, plus it's on the website and thanked me for the heads-up....
"I'm kind of a big deal around here...."
;D
I like the comments at that site.
Good job bro!
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UPDATE: Here it is...
http://www.wral.com/
i actually got an email response that they are working on a story, plus it's on the website and thanked me for the heads-up....
"I'm kind of a big deal around here...."
;D
Great Job
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bad ass man !!!
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It's on Fox's website right now. Strange, as BF noted, where are all the board libs?
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It's on Fox's website right now. Strange, as BF noted, where are all the board libs?
The probably wish that that the congressman shot the students dead on the spot for questioning his support of obama.
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Etheridge Statement on Viral Video
Washington, DC, Jun 14 - U.S. Rep. Bob Etheridge (D-Lillington) released the following statement on the viral video which appeared on the internet today:
“I have seen the video posted on several blogs. I deeply and profoundly regret my reaction and I apologize to all involved. Throughout my many years of service to the people of North Carolina, I have always tried to treat people from all viewpoints with respect. No matter how intrusive and partisan our politics can become, this does not justify a poor response. I have and I will always work to promote a civil public discourse.”
Rep. Bob Etheridge (NC-02)
Print version of this document
http://etheridge.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=190412
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You voted for ObamaCare you pofs. See you in november along with the other communists.
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Dems defend Etheridge, attack Breitbart
Politico ^ | 6/14/10 | Ben Smith
Posted on Monday, June 14, 2010 3:08:10 PM by reaganrevolutionin2010
Bob Etheridge's abject apology for roughing up an anonymous conservative videographer is being accompanied by a defense of the congressman from national Democrats.
"Motives matter, and I think you can see who was behind this," said DNC spokesman Brad Woodhouse just now. "This was a Republican party tracking operation. If it wasn't a party tracker or intern, why is the face blurred and why is the source hidden? You know if it had been a right wing blog, they'd identify themselves and they'd be booking this person on TV all day. Republicans know if they admit their involvement in this game of gotcha it will undermine their credibility. One minute this guy is interviewing a member of Congress on camera and the next a video is released with his face blurred out? If that doesn’t tell you this is a Republican Party hatchet job nothing will."
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
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Not surprising that the Dems are justifying this assault.
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Haha. Now MSNBC has it up as "Congressman apologizes after confrontation". I would think had that been a Repub, the headline would probably have been "Republican visciously assails and brutalizes innocent student".
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Notice not one of the left wing crazies has said a word about this?
Not 240, not blacken mons, benny, Danny, KC or Straw, not Chad, TA, not Luke, or any other lib.
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Notice not one of the left wing crazies has said a word about this?
Not 240, not blacken mons, benny, Danny, KC or Straw, not Chad, TA, not Luke, or any other lib.
We should conduct an experiment. Start a thread titled, "Palin assaults cameraman", make up some bogus story, and see how fast the Democratic flies swoop in.
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During the Bush admin somewhere else on the planet someone who supports the Republican party assaulted someone else. Where was your outrage then!?
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Notice not one of the libs commented on this?
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Hope & Change!
Damn - this student should have KTFO this jerk.
:o He should be prosecuted.
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His "apology" isn't going over very well here in NC. If you can watch it, he just sounds almost smug and sarcastic. His opponent, can't remember her name, did a nice job with the story, something along the lines of "I'm not going to comment on the unprofessional actions, but I'm more interested in his comments following the incident...."
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He should resign.
Congressman apologizes for on-camera confrontation
By Alexander Mooney and Lisa Desjardins, CNN
June 14, 2010
Washington (CNN) -- North Carolina Rep. Bob Etheridge reiterated his apology Monday after an online video surfaced showing he was involved in a physical altercation with two young men who approached him on a Washington street and asked the Democrat whether he supported President Obama's agenda.
"The truth is I had a long day, it was the end of the day, almost sunset," he told reporters on Capitol Hill. "But that's not the issue. The issue is I apologize for my actions and the people of North Carolina know me well and I apologize to these young men as well."
Etheridge declined to say whether more words or actions were exchanged beyond those that were shown in the edited video posted anonymously online Monday.
"I've been spat at, pushed on and threatened before and that's no excuse for my not walking on by," Etheridge said while declining to disclose if more words were exchanged. "Just no excuse."
The six-term congressman also said he still does not know who the young men -- who identified themselves as students in the video -- are.
Etheridge is shown in a video getting into a physical confrontation with the men.
"Who are you?" a clearly frustrated Etheridge replies when the two men approached Etheridge with a camera on a Washington street. When the purported students did not answer, Etheridge is seen slapping the camera out of one of the individual's hands.
Later in the video, which has clearly been edited, Etheridge is seen grabbing the wrist of one of the men and again repeatedly asking, "Who are you?...Tell me who you are."
"We are just here for a project," one replies. "We are just students, that's all we are."
In the video, currently posted on the website of Andrew Brietbart -- a conservative commentator and online news aggregator -- the students' faces are obscured and they never fully identify themselves or their affiliation.
"I have a right to know who you are," Etheridge says, still firmly gripping the man's wrist. The Democrat then briefly grabbed the individual's neck before letting him go.
Etheridge has represented North Carolina's second congressional district -- located in the central part of the state -- since 1997. He was re-elected in 2007 with 67 percent of the vote.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/06/14/bob.etheridge.confrontation/index.html
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Notice not one of the left wing crazies has said a word about this?
Not 240, not blacken mons, benny, Danny, KC or Straw, not Chad, TA, not Luke, or any other lib.
There is absolutely nothing to say about it. Regardless if he was ambushed or not, he crossed the line. Plain an simple. As long as the other guy did not touch him he had no business laying one finger on him.
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Those who know my history know that I am no fan of Obama or Democrats or liberals. And I love seeing Democrats and liberals embarassed like this. Quite frankly, they deserve it. But I have to say that I feel uncomfortable with this gotcha journalism that Breitbart is practicing. ONe thing that I find very ugly is that this along with the ACORN incident is involving college activist students. I feel offended becuase college kids, whether they are liberal or conservative, do not have enough wisdom to have the moral capacity to engage in this gotcha activist journalism.
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Those who know my history know that I am no fan of Obama or Democrats or liberals. And I love seeing Democrats and liberals embarassed like this. Quite frankly, they deserve it. But I have to say that I feel uncomfortable with this gotcha journalism that Breitbart is practicing. ONe thing that I find very ugly is that this along with the ACORN incident is involving college activist students. I feel offended becuase college kids, whether they are liberal or conservative, do not have enough wisdom to have the moral capacity to engage in this gotcha activist journalism.
All the kid asked was "do you support President Obama's policies?" I see nothing wrong with that type of question, now we don't know if he planned a follow-up or something. This wasn't a case of some slick, polished journalist trying to trip up a politician into saying something they would regret. It was a straight-up question asked in public.....if the congressman didn't feel comfortable answering it, all he had to do was nod "good evening" and keep moving. He chose to engage the students and was 100% out of line in touching the kid. Hope he continues to get roasted here in NC and loses his seat in November.
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I would run that clip 24/7 and say this is your brain, this is your brain when you support obama's policies. Any questions?
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I would run that clip 24/7 and say this is your brain, this is your brain when you support obama's policies. Any questions?
question
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I can't watch embedded vids on this network. I have been in Key West for the last 3 days and have read/followed nothing other than the sunset and my drink order. So have no idea which congressman this is, but the name keeps reminding me of that one with the hound dog looking face? Like you could make a pair of gloves out of the bags under his eyes. Is this the same guy or am I thinking of someone else?
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I don't know about this one. Why didn't these "students" identify themselves, or at least, state the college/university from which they attended? Maybe there's more to this than the clip displayed. But, I don't blame the congressman for his actions, simply because some kid rolled up on him with a camera.
If this project is on the up-and-up, simply explain it to the Congressman. If he still acts the way he did, then you have a case to make.
Are you serious? ???
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I can't watch embedded vids on this network. I have been in Key West for the last 3 days and have read/followed nothing other than the sunset and my drink order. So have no idea which congressman this is, but the name keeps reminding me of that one with the hound dog looking face? Like you could make a pair of gloves out of the bags under his eyes. Is this the same guy or am I thinking of someone else?
Yeah, a lllooonnggg southern drawl and looks like he beats the family dog.
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Yeah, a lllooonnggg southern drawl and looks like he beats the family dog.
He looks like the mean drunk vice principal who everybody hates.
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Glad the voters fired this guy, but check out his new job: "On February 1, 2011, Governor Bev Perdue announced her appointment of Etheridge as head of the North Carolina Office of Economic Recovery and Investment, replacing Dempsey Benton, which oversees funds to the state from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Etheridge#2010
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The student should press charges. This is as clear a case of assault as you get.
x 2.
You put your hands on someone, you belong in jail.
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x 2.
You put your hands on someone, you belong in jail.
Whoooo urrrrr yooouuuu?