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Great "natural" Bodybuilder.
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big improvement
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all drugs ::)
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he's natural, i'm sure of that. great shape
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he's natural, i'm sure of that. great shape
I feel sorry for you if you think he's natural.
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Layne Norton = Less mass than an atheist on Monday
And Im' out.
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I feel sorry for you if you think he's natural.
these idiots want SO badly to believe he's a natural....
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hey layne good luck-btw i saw u at bob n evans restaurant in columbus during the arnold classic weekend in 07 i think it was-i was sitting at the corner table in the center of the place and u were walking by talking to some friends u saw
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hes not even trying to pass as a natural nowadays
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oh, is the guy competing again?
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hormonized,,
drug user with poor/average drug response ,, this is 'natural' bodybuilding 2010,.. wlecome to bodybuilding my friends
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looks incredible already.
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Great "natural" Bodybuilder.
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hey layne good luck-btw i saw u at bob n evans restaurant in columbus during the arnold classic weekend in 07 i think it was-i was sitting at the corner table in the center of the place and u were walking by talking to some friends u saw
lol natural :)
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Everybody wanna be a natural bodybuilder, but nobody wanna tear their pecs...
That be the life of a natural bodibulda. :(
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We all know this is a story to watch,,,
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Looks good, great legs.
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Does Layne consume steroids? ???
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All jokes aside, low dose users do seem to have better muscle seperation, and have a more "realistic" look. ::)
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I've been following Layne's posts online for a long time and it is interesting to see the people who hate on him grow smaller as each year passes. I'm not necessarily talking about anyone in this thread but a thread like this would have been much longer a few years ago. Now with the size he has and a 700+ deadlift and a Ph.D it is becoming a lot harder to criticize him.
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Does Layne consume steroids? ???
If you have to ask, you'll never know.
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Based on his physique in the pics, I wouldnt really say Layne is juicing all that much either.. Nothing too impressive compared to the juice monkies we see these days in the pro and national ranks....
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Major improvements............ looks great!
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I've been following Layne's posts online for a long time and it is interesting to see the people who hate on him grow smaller as each year passes. I'm not necessarily talking about anyone in this thread but a thread like this would have been much longer a few years ago. Now with the size he has and a 700+ deadlift and a Ph.D it is becoming a lot harder to criticize him.
No, it's not. He's still an embarrassing attention whore.
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Based on his physique in the pics, I wouldnt really say Layne is juicing all that much either.. Nothing too impressive compared to the juice monkies we see these days in the pro and national ranks....
He looks better than any of the guys in M&F and those guys use a fair bit.
I doubt he is running the levels of a pro but alot more than your average gym rat.
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^^^ And thats not hating on him cos he looks fantastic , he is just a lying cu nt thats all.
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I've been following Layne's posts online for a long time and it is interesting to see the people who hate on him grow smaller as each year passes. I'm not necessarily talking about anyone in this thread but a thread like this would have been much longer a few years ago. Now with the size he has and a 700+ deadlift and a Ph.D it is becoming a lot harder to criticize him.
What does he have a PhD (Post Hole Digger) in, lying?
This thread isn't that long, because we have gotten tired of the same ol' natural schtick... So many claim it, it's like going to a Playboy Party and all the woman claiming to be virgins...
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What does he have a PhD (Post Hole Digger) in, lying?
This thread isn't that long, because we have gotten tired of the same ol' natural schtick... So many claim it, it's like going to a Playboy Party and all the womb claiming to be virgins...
PhD in Biology I believe....whats your education in?
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PhD in Biology I believe....whats your education in?
History and Secondary Ed. Had I taken a different route, I'd be the black Marty Stouffer--and I would never get laid. Being excited over cougar scat, doesn't win over the ladies...
But, you believe but don't know?
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Is he still claiming to be natural? LOL!
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In all seriousness the guy is in great shape, but I am also a little bit suspect in regards to the claims that he is natural - if he is more power to him.
And it doesn't matter to me anyways anymore.
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BTW, I believe he is around 216 lbs in these pics.
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BTW, I believe he is around 216 lbs in these pics.
no he isnt idiot......i would be surprised if he was over 200
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hmm i have to agree he does not look natural now.
who knows...
what show is he competing in anyways?
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20 inch guns, a PHD, an 800lb raw deadlift,
Hot wife, child on the way, financially secure,
Lot of haters in this thread
He looks GREAT
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Is he still claiming to be natural? LOL!
;D
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20 inch guns, a PHD, an 800lb raw deadlift,
Hot wife, child on the way, financially secure,
Lot of haters in this thread
He looks GREAT
20 inch "natural"guns huh??
sounds like he makes your pussy wet..
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I call bullsh!t on the 20 inch arms claim. Arnold's arm wasn't even 20 inches at it's max size.
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no he isnt idiot......i would be surprised if he was over 200
Unfortunately, "idiot", this is what Layne has said his weight was a few days after these pics were taken so.....
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lol 216lbs and natural in that shape, although he's never looked to be the weight he claims, looks to be 190 - 200 tops. And 20 inch guns ::)
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I've been following Layne's posts online for a long time and it is interesting to see the people who hate on him grow smaller as each year passes. I'm not necessarily talking about anyone in this thread but a thread like this would have been much longer a few years ago. Now with the size he has and a 700+ deadlift and a Ph.D it is becoming a lot harder to criticize him.
It's like the number of people arguing with Adonis. at some point you just have to say "yeah you're right, fuck it, i can get ripped eating cardboard".
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Is he still claiming to be natural? LOL!
You still getting owned on the MMA board?
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I remember seeing him when I was starting out at around 18 years of age and thinking that he had a good physique. I have no negative opinion of him whatsoever.
Guy just loves training and probaly doing well from it!
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I remember seeing him when I was starting out at around 18 years of age and thinking that he had a good physique. I have no negative opinion of him whatsoever.
Guy just loves training and probaly doing well from it!
''Naturals'' always back up other ''naturals''.
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Oh I don't follow his blogs or anything. If he is natural I don't know. I don't care either. Just good to see constant progress from the dude over the years.
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It's like the number of people arguing with Adonis. at some point you just have to say "yeah you're right, fuck it, i can get ripped eating cardboard".
holy shit that was funny :D
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Unfortunately, "idiot", this is what Layne has said his weight was a few days after these pics were taken so.....
oh yea good point, layne said his weight was 220..therefore it must be true. just like his self proclaimed natural status.. ::)
your a fuckin moron, unsung is 100% right, layne is at most 200lbs there
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Based on his physique in the pics, I wouldnt really say Layne is juicing all that much either.. Nothing too impressive compared to the juice monkies we see these days in the pro and national ranks....
just because his physique isnt as impressive compared to national and pro level ranks, doesnt mean he isnt juicing much or at least has tried to in the past . Altho, he might not currently juice as much as a national or pro rank guy but you can bet your ass he probably has at least tried in the past with no success which is why
he competes as a natty is because he knows his physique and response sucks.
the funny thing is that the only reason layne gets attention is because people think hes a jacked natty. if he competed in NPC shows, where he should be competing..no one would even know his name.
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I could give a fuck if he's natty or not, i just think its funny how vigorously his nuthuggers defend him, get a life you queers and stop worshipping a mid level bber whos best talent is marketing himself
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I could give a fuck if he's natty or not, i just think its funny how vigorously his nuthuggers defend him, get a life you queers and stop worshipping a mid level bber whos best talent is marketing himself
LOL! truff. layne's gimmicks will be arriving soon
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I could give a fuck if he's natty or not, i just think its funny how vigorously his nuthuggers defend him, get a life you queers and stop worshipping a mid level bber whos best talent is marketing himself
true dat.......you gotta understand why these nuthuggers defend layne SO vigorously............it s not cause of layne............its cause THEY want SO badly to believe that THEY could build a physique similar to layne's naturally
so when you rip on layne in these threads........your essentially crushing the spirit of these twinks who dream of building an elite level physique on the "celltech/nitrotech hardcore stack" ::) ::) ::)
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No, it's not. He's still an embarrassing attention whore.
I don't know...kind of hard to embarrass yourself on a bodybuilding board with a 700+ deadlift I think. I know that was more true in the past but as he continues to get bigger and stronger, the group of those who hate on him gets smaller I find.
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Andy Bolton and konstantin konstantinovs have both described Layne as the "future of powerlifting"
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What's he bench?
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What's he bench?
970 lbs.........according to his ball-lickers in this thread ::) ::)...............and thats 970 for reps
......weight equipment manufactures dont yet manufacture weight benches that can support his 1 rep max............there is a rumor a "custom" bench is currently being developed by Bowing's Aerospace division out of space-age polymers and metal alloys............but of couse, that MAY just be a rumor.
the world may NEVER develop the technology to accurately measure layne norton's 1 rep max :-[ :-[
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Never thought much of his structure. Just looks like a guy with average genetics that moderately juices. He is a demon at self promotion though, if he dropped the natural facade and competed in real shows nobody would know who the fuck he was.
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I don't know whether or not he is natural, but his body does not look unattainable for a natural person with good genetics.
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He looks like shit there. That is easily attainable as a natty. If he is hitting 220lb at 6% bodyfat then he isn't natural, however he carrys it. He has an awful structure so someone who is a lot smaller would look a lot bigger.
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yes Layne has a shit structure, he looks horrible
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yes Layne has a shit structure, he looks horrible
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he got a lot out of what he has to work with, it's just what he has to work with is pretty shitty
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He might be natural...maybe he is just taking Humapro!
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He looks like shit there. That is easily attainable as a natty. If he is hitting 220lb at 6% bodyfat then he isn't natural, however he carrys it. He has an awful structure so someone who is a lot smaller would look a lot bigger.
I keep hearing about how easy Layne's physique is to attain but where I am he would definitely win the local show and I think he would even place well in the provincial contest. I agree that he has some structural limitations, but the size and condition he displays does not seem to be easy to achieve to me.
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I keep hearing about how easy Layne's physique is to attain but where I am he would definitely win the local show and I think he would even place well in the provincial contest. I agree that he has some structural limitations, but the size and condition he displays does not seem to be easy to achieve to me.
that video is from 2008 he had plenty of time to shoot up a lot of juice in between
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hhhhhhhhmmmm....
my 2 cents is that body fat percentage is constantly over estimated...most pro bodybuilders compete at just over 4%, and many nattys compete at 6%, maybe under (elite level), in his pics if he did his bodyfat using hydrostatic weighing he'd be around 9-10%, at 216 there are probably 100 NCAA linebackers that could acheive those same numbers...as far as his lifting numbers? i dunno, maybe he's legit...maybe not... i don't really care...i respect his knowledge either way
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that video is from 2008 he had plenty of time to shoot up a lot of juice in between
That's quite possible. If his physique doesn't scream "steroids" at this point, his lifts certainly do. Although to be honest, I think both his physique and lifts scream steroids. He has been at it for a long time though and I have talked about this with him and he is absolutely staunch in his denial of steroid usage so who knows?
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He might be natural...maybe he is just taking Humapro!
well humapro is the MOST anabolic substance on the face of the planet, ;D ;D
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since when taking low doses of steroids makes you natural?
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He sucks.
Though big props for being dedicated.
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I keep hearing about how easy Layne's physique is to attain but where I am he would definitely win the local show and I think he would even place well in the provincial contest. I agree that he has some structural limitations, but the size and condition he displays does not seem to be easy to achieve to me.
Layne has gotten where he's gotten because he eats and sleeps bodybuilding. He's earned his PHD in Nutritional Science so he obviously knows what he needs to put in his body to get results.
As far as him being natural...I had my doubts years ago but after seeing what he does and what he actually looks like, its obvious that he's done it without any steroids. He is not as big as most people think because they've never met him in person or walked by him at the Scivation booth.
Shame that there are some people that are jealous of this guy but that's what trolls and haters do best
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true dat.......you gotta understand why these nuthuggers defend layne SO vigorously............it s not cause of layne............its cause THEY want SO badly to believe that THEY could build a physique similar to layne's naturally
so when you rip on layne in these threads........your essentially crushing the spirit of these twinks who dream of building an elite level physique on the "celltech/nitrotech hardcore stack" ::) ::) ::)
What you are saying is so true.
But what's also true is you and other bash him because you DON'T want to believe you can built that naturally because you can't or are committed enough to.
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What you are saying is so true.
But what's also true is you and other bash him because you DON'T want to believe you can built that naturally because you can't or are committed enough to.
no, im pretty realistic about what can and can't be attained naturally
some people have great genetics, and can build a decent physique naturally
but i also know how to spot steroid usage and all the tell-tale signs of its effect on a physique
layne norton started out natural. but the physiuque in those photos is not natural
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no, im pretty realistic about what can and can't be attained naturally
some people have great genetics, and can build a decent physique naturally
but i also know how to spot steroid usage and all the tell-tale signs of its effect on a physique
layne norton started out natural. but the physiuque in those photos is not natural
What are the tell-tale signs?
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What are the tell-tale signs?
increased and not pumped vascularity ,fullness to traps and delts especially fr delts ,forearms thicken from just anything not even training them directly,face fills out to match thicker roid neck,if u see somebody who used and then cleaned out ,the face gets a less bloated and hbp look and neck and trap slim down considerably.if u have a bick neck to begin with then the change is less dramatic.you can go on and on.
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Layne has gotten where he's gotten because he eats and sleeps bodybuilding. He's earned his PHD in Nutritional Science so he obviously knows what he needs to put in his body to get results.
As far as him being natural...I had my doubts years ago but after seeing what he does and what he actually looks like, its obvious that he's done it without any steroids. He is not as big as most people think because they've never met him in person or walked by him at the Scivation booth.
Shame that there are some people that are jealous of this guy but that's what trolls and haters do best
If he's natural he will soon be the first natural to deadlift 900 pounds raw, or then be the first natural human being to peak his maximum strength in his 20's. I wonder which it will be...
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increased and not pumped vascularity ,fullness to traps and delts especially fr delts ,forearms thicken from just anything not even training them directly,face fills out to match thicker roid neck,if u see somebody who used and then cleaned out ,the face gets a less bloated and hbp look and neck and trap slim down considerably.if u have a bick neck to begin with then the change is less dramatic.you can go on and on.
valscuality = degree of leanness--pump or no pump. (Even distance runners have vasculaity because they are lean).
fullness of traps = heavy lifting
delts = being very lean can create the illusion of size. you can't tell how much muscle a person has from pictures.
face fills out = simply being "regular" degree of leanness versus getting extremely lean for a contest. Whoever you consider a "real" natural will have the same variance.
forearm size = heavy lifting and continually gripping that heavy weight
Heavy lifting for a long period of time will indirectly build the traps and forearms with all of those constant lifting and pulling movements.
Everything you've noted can be accomplished by a very good, dedicated natural bodybuilder who has some years of training under his belt--but certainly much easier for just an average bodybuilder who uses drugs and hasn't been training very long.
I'm not saying he is or he isn't with my above statement. All I am saying is that your tell-tale signs are inconclusive.
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valscuality = degree of leanness--pump or no pump. (Even distance runners have vasculaity because they are lean).
fullness of traps = heavy lifting
delts = being very lean can create the illusion of size. you can't tell how much muscle a person has from pictures.
face fills out = simply being "regular" degree of leanness versus getting extremely lean for a contest. Whosoever you consider a "real" natural with have the same variance.
forearm size = heavy lifting and continually grip that heavy weight
Heavy lifting for a long period of time with indirect build the traps and forearms with all of those constant lifting and pulling movements.
Everything you've noted can be accomplish by a very good, dedicated natural bodybuilder who has some years of training under his belt--but certainly much easier for just an average bodybuilder who uses drugs and hasn't been training very long.
I'm not saying he is or he isn't with my above statement. All I am saying is that you tell-tale signs are inconclusive.
ok,,,but someone who goes from clean to using gets a different degree of thickness to the above stated and rather quickly,then the same when coming off.yes of course clean or former users have a strong or thick look.but not to the degree that is apparent as a user .
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I always thought that the sause really filled out the delts and the arms? It seems that most pros have more mass and size on their triceps than they do on their pecs, and it shouldn't be that way, since the pecs are larger than the triceps speaking in absolute terms.
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I agree with NJ 100%
there are tell tale signs......the forearms being the one that really stands out for me, they have that thick, piece of meat look all the way up the extensors......you see very very few natties with that no matter big they are
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for general education purposes,, pick up pen and paper and copy down,,
suspension
halotestin
letrozole
he uses it in a timely manner aka correct use of dose and drug,, he is casrful because he want to make money from natural bodybuilding,,
as gh15 said before THERE IS NO NATURAL BODYBUILDING INFACT THERE IS NOT EVEN CLEAN BODYBUILDING,,natural bodybuilding belongs in the pre 1950s,,even golf players medicate their ass right and left so you think a lifter wont? why would he even go in trhe gym to lift heavy weight?? who in their right mind step on stage natural in 2010?
the whole physiqe you see in the picture is a physiqe we call in bodybuillding lack of thicknes due to not enough long esters in the system,,you usually get this type of physiqe while using very short ester compounds some esterless compounds and tablets,,they are very fast to leave system and only create enough illusion to last for a very short time of intake,,it is very good for drug tests and if done correctly and not over dosed ,,if timed correctly you can achieve a good natural physiqe like he did,,his genetic respond is very very average and his frame is not good,,he has dispiline and the right approach to a drugged up natural physiqe ,,this is how it should be done
gh15 approved
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I agree with NJ 100%
there are tell tale signs......the forearms being the one that really stands out for me, they have that thick, piece of meat look all the way up the extensors......you see very very few natties with that no matter big they are
My forearms are huge. Though they were alwyas very big even before I trained. Now I don't evn use straps or gloves when I train. Just good old chalk!
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true dat.......you gotta understand why these nuthuggers defend layne SO vigorously............it s not cause of layne............its cause THEY want SO badly to believe that THEY could build a physique similar to layne's naturally
so when you rip on layne in these threads........your essentially crushing the spirit of these twinks who dream of building an elite level physique on the "celltech/nitrotech hardcore stack" ::) ::) ::)
doesn't groink have 3 times the mass of layne claiming himself to be natural aswell ::)... DERRR!
and aren't prohormones leagal in america? So that means if you use prohormones you are natural prety much because you aren't using illeagal substances, great.
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The jealousy runs high in this thread
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for general education purposes,, pick up pen and paper and copy down,,
suspension
halotestin
letrozole
he uses it in a timely manner aka correct use of dose and drug,, he is casrful because he want to make money from natural bodybuilding,,
as gh15 said before THERE IS NO NATURAL BODYBUILDING INFACT THERE IS NOT EVEN CLEAN BODYBUILDING,,natural bodybuilding belongs in the pre 1950s,,even golf players medicate their ass right and left so you think a lifter wont? why would he even go in trhe gym to lift heavy weight?? who in their right mind step on stage natural in 2010?
the whole physiqe you see in the picture is a physiqe we call in bodybuillding lack of thicknes due to not enough long esters in the system,,you usually get this type of physiqe while using very short ester compounds some esterless compounds and tablets,,they are very fast to leave system and only create enough illusion to last for a very short time of intake,,it is very good for drug tests and if done correctly and not over dosed ,,if timed correctly you can achieve a good natural physiqe like he did,,his genetic respond is very very average and his frame is not good,,he has dispiline and the right approach to a drugged up natural physiqe ,,this is how it should be done
gh15 approved
gh15 is quite the douche....
DF4L approved
The jealousy runs high in this thread
x1,000,000,000
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gh15 is quite the douche....
DF4L approved
x1,000,000,000
He also said Trey Brewer wouldn't be over 200 lbs without juice. Treys on a shitload of stuff now, but you can tell he's a big kid naturally. He's got a big, thick frame. gh15 is a joke
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Did you ever think that maybe i have better genetics than Layne for putting on muscle ? I know, I know....he's LAYNE NORTON and im just some douche on a BBing board, so it cant be possible right ??
Here's the thing...we are all just people here and because he makes a name for himself and diets and shoots vids doesn't make him any better.
The dude is stronger than i am by far, and that is impressive.....but his BBing potential is nothing great IMO
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increased and not pumped vascularity ,fullness to traps and delts especially fr delts ,forearms thicken from just anything not even training them directly,face fills out to match thicker roid neck,if u see somebody who used and then cleaned out ,the face gets a less bloated and hbp look and neck and trap slim down considerably.if u have a bick neck to begin with then the change is less dramatic.you can go on and on.
Spot-on assessment. If someone doesn't think he's using they're delusional. First thing my wife noticed when I went clean for good (6 yrs ago) was my forearms, traps and neck slimmed quickly.
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what gh15 said was that the fat kid brower will be 195lb at 15% with no hormones in the system for 2 years,,it will never happen even now he is on lots of test and just saw he cant do nothing in bodybuilding and went home,,kid wasnt meant for bodybuilding,,gh15 is NEVER wrong!
gh15 approved
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Spot-on assessment. If someone doesn't think he's using they're delusional. First thing my wife noticed when I went clean for good (6 yrs ago) was my forearms, traps and neck slimmed quickly.
very good and approved,,
no hormones = no thickness of traps ,,no thickness of forarms and no thickness of delts,,
and not any hormone!,, you need TESTOSTERONE FOR THE THICKNESS TO HAPPEN AND ONLY TESTOSTERONE WILL CREATE IT
gh15 approved
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doesn't groink have 3 times the mass of layne claiming himself to be natural aswell ::)... DERRR!
and aren't prohormones leagal in america? So that means if you use prohormones you are natural prety much because you aren't using illeagal substances, great.
YOU are NOT a smart boy :-\ :-\
its not LEGALITY that defines a "natural" bodybuilder..........the re was a time not that long ago that actual conventional steroids like winny and primobolon were legal.......if one used these compounds during this time, were they natural ::) ::).
and "pro-hormones" is really just codespeak for "pro-STEROIDS"............they change a carbon ester here or there, but you body converts them to conventional compounds the minute they hit your system............someon e who uses these coumpounds is NOT a natural bodybuilder
you should refrain from participating in conversations here-to-fore, you just embarrass yourself
The jealousy runs high in this thread
and you, you little dick-blower hanging on layne norton's ballbag
no one here is jealous of him.............he is an attertion whore who, sluts himself all over every corner of the internet saying he is a natural bodybuilder
the only problem is, he is no longer a natural bodybuilder..........sto p defending him, you will NEVER look any more muscular then a swimmer, adn sucking layne nortons cock wont change that
when people lie..........others in the know call them out on it..........he is a liar,,,,,,,,,,,,you are a f@ggot without dignity
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YOU are NOT a smart boy :-\ :-\
its not LEGALITY that defines a "natural" bodybuilder..........the re was a time not that long ago that actual conventional steroids like winny and primobolon were legal.......if one used these compounds during this time, were they natural ::) ::).
and "pro-hormones" is really just codespeak for "pro-STEROIDS"............they change a carbon ester here or there, but you body converts them to conventional compounds the minute they hit your system............someon e who uses these coumpounds is NOT a natural bodybuilder
you should refrain from participating in conversations here-to-fore, you just embarrass yourself
What a self ownage, you should have known as a "smart man" that I was being sarcastic... lol what a stupid post , better luck next time, hot shot
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and you, you little dick-blower hanging on layne norton's ballbag
no one here is jealous of him.............he is an attertion whore who, sluts himself all over every corner of the internet saying he is a natural bodybuilder
the only problem is, he is no longer a natural bodybuilder..........sto p defending him, you will NEVER look any more muscular then a swimmer, adn sucking layne nortons cock wont change that
when people lie..........others in the know call them out on it..........he is a liar,,,,,,,,,,,,you are a f@ggot without dignity
This demonstrates the jealousy perfectly... MELTDOWN
I am a natural and I believe I have a better physique then Norton but just like Groink I cannot lift anything near what he does... Sure you can question whether or not he's using but if your automatic response is calling him "A liar" then you yourself have poor genetic end of story.
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It is absolutely laughable that people believe this guy is not using any kind of chemical enhancements. Thank goodness for the dumb and gullible. They help the rest of us get fucking rich!
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He also said Trey Brewer wouldn't be over 200 lbs without juice. Treys on a shitload of stuff now, but you can tell he's a big kid naturally. He's got a big, thick frame. gh15 is a joke
sure Tom Prince was a big guy too, now look at him without roids.
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It is absolutely laughable that people believe this guy is not using any kind of chemical enhancements. Thank goodness for the dumb and gullible. They help the rest of us get fucking rich!
Just because you used some gear to achieve a sub par physique doesn't mean the rest of us need to as well. Are you using these days cause you look fairly decent in the recent pics I saw
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Just because you used some gear to achieve a sub par physique doesn't mean the rest of us need to as well. Are you using these days cause you look fairly decent in the recent pics I saw
Contradiction in this post ???
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Contradiction in this post ???
by sub par I meant by decent amateur standards, he was a competitive bodybuilder who got to about 200lbs cut? nothing special for a drug user. He's lean now, I'm wondering if since dropping down in size does he actually require the assistance of drugs to achieve his current look.
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Just because you used some gear to achieve a sub par physique doesn't mean the rest of us need to as well. Are you using these days cause you look fairly decent in the recent pics I saw
bro u have been a very good contributer to this board,and have a very good build,mindspin twists it up here,but calling his "peak drug build"subpar is way off,u seen his old pics he had a very classic 90's up and coming build and if he stayed the course and put more substances into it he could have been national level.
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bro u have been a very good contributer to this board,and have a very good build,mindspin twists it up here,but calling his "peak drug build"subpar is way off,u seen his old pics he had a very classic 90's up and coming build and if he stayed the course and put more substances into it he could have been national level.
Yeah I know he looked good but he had nowhere near the size you need to be at the highest level even with the drugs
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Yeah I know he looked good but he had nowhere near the size you need to be at the highest level even with the drugs
fair enough,and he admits it wasn't worth it,and if i'm envious of anything its his smarts and money .
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Some of you guys must have the worst genetics ever. I dont know if he is natural or do i care, but the level at which some of you SCREAM he is juicing is crazy. Its as if the only people you have ever seen with decent physique's are juicers....sad really..
He has been working out what, 10 + years now? To me, if you workout for 10+ years, you should look atleast some what like how he does, if you really train for it. The lbs numbers of lifts defiantly have me questioning, but his physique is nothing that impressive to anyone who has really lifted weights for 10+ years and stuck to a pretty good diet.
Some of you need to get out more
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bro u have been a very good contributer to this board,and have a very good build,mindspin twists it up here,but calling his "peak drug build"subpar is way off,u seen his old pics he had a very classic 90's up and coming build and if he stayed the course and put more substances into it he could have been national level.
Honestly though, I'm tired of people who have achieved nothing naturally claiming so and so is using steriods. Listen, I know to be above 200lbs and cut at 5'7 is basically unattainable naturally but I won't automatically doubt it. I'm glad people will throw shit back in your face for making false claims but Layne has litterally no legs and stands at what 5'11-6ft? at 195-198 cut? You think all those big lifts would actually build some thickness on him but he doesn't have the extra recovery help you'd get from drugs.
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Honestly though, I'm tired of people who have achieved nothing naturally claiming so and so is using steriods. Listen, I know to be above 200lbs and cut at 5'7 is basically unattainable naturally but I won't automatically doubt it. I'm glad people will throw shit back in your face for making false claims but Layne has litterally no legs and stands at what 5'11-6ft? at 195-198 cut? You think all those big lifts would actually build some thickness on him but he doesn't have the extra recovery help you'd get from drugs.
i only hear about this guy here and what is showed or said,given that he has different look from when he's 230 and powerlifting to this leaner look he's sporting for a show,he dosen't look too impressive to me at the higher weight,looks like he lifts when he is lean like now,whatever he does or how he holds on too some size with the better lean shape is anyone's guess.that height cut is small for legs ,but his upper body carries the load so if he had better legs maybe he be 205 to 210 ,same for johnny jackson who is a pro who powerlifts and deads and squats and has legs that are not in line with the weight he handles go figure?
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He's natural... ya'll a bunch of pussies if you truly believe thats unattainable without drugs!
Pick up some weights! ;D
Sincerely,
BIG ACH
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He's natural... ya'll a bunch of pussies if you truly believe thats unattainable without drugs!
Pick up some weights! ;D
Sincerely,
BIG ACH
lol... I woudlnt say he is natural, but i also doubt he is doing a few grams of this and that type of roid, like some guys in this thread are screaming.
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lol... I woudlnt say he is natural, but i also doubt he is doing a few grams of this and that type of roid, like some guys in this thread are screaming.
Yes All Creatine Monohydrate
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Yes All Creatine Monohydrate
Oh no, its all about the "Kre-Alkalyn" these days with the Pros. that is the secret.
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Tell me how layne norton can be 5'11 and 235 lbs with abs and insane vascularity hovering around 7 percent bodyfat without drugs.
While 8x's mr. olympia lee haney is the same height and had a stage weight of 240-245 lbs in pretty much the exact same condition??
Are u saying that layne norton has better genetics than lee haney who was no doubt on tons of drugs??
Come on guys get real and end this conversation.
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Honestly though, I'm tired of people who have achieved nothing naturally claiming so and so is using steriods. Listen, I know to be above 200lbs and cut at 5'7 is basically unattainable naturally but I won't automatically doubt it. I'm glad people will throw shit back in your face for making false claims but Layne has litterally no legs and stands at what 5'11-6ft? at 195-198 cut? You think all those big lifts would actually build some thickness on him but he doesn't have the extra recovery help you'd get from drugs.
natural limits on 6 feet 6'1 fella is 200- 205lb at 8-9 percent IF you got good frame and think and do 24/7 bodybuilding that includes rest diet and everything aimed at bodybuilding,,now the numbers gh15 give here are written in stone meaning 210 is not it ,,200-205 at 6 feet at 8-9 percent is the absolut best you will be naturally at 6 feet,,
moment you see 210 215 220 at 5'11 to 6 feet heights at 10 percent or so they all hormonized to some degree
gh15 approved
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I'm with my German friend gh15 on this one. There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE btw 5'11" 195 at 10% bodyfat, and 195 at 5% bodyfat. So 5'11" 195 10% is possible naturally, but not at 5%
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too be honest he looks natural.. he has no size whatsover, myspace angles and he still looks like a twig, head wider then himself
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natural limits on 6 feet 6'1 fella is 200- 205lb at 8-9 percent IF you got good frame and think and do 24/7 bodybuilding that includes rest diet and everything aimed at bodybuilding,,now the numbers gh15 give here are written in stone meaning 210 is not it ,,200-205 at 6 feet at 8-9 percent is the absolut best you will be naturally at 6 feet,,
moment you see 210 215 220 at 5'11 to 6 feet heights at 10 percent or so they all hormonized to some degree
gh15 approved
That's basically what I said, He is 198lbs contest at about 6ft tall... thanks for confirming the possibility.
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No, it's not. He's still an embarrassing attention whore.
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there is nothing more detestable in the world then a needy attention whore...........no one cares about you retard......stop whoring yourself all over the internet
no one wants to see youtube videos of you yelling and pounding your chest like a fuckhead
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lol... I woudlnt say he is natural, but i also doubt he is doing a few grams of this and that type of roid, like some guys in this thread are screaming.
200mg a week = natural according to getbig
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That's basically what I said, He is 198lbs contest at about 6ft tall... thanks for confirming the possibility.
no my friend,, he is along time hormonized lifter,,he took it a little farther than skip lacour since he doesnt have as good of a frame so for him the use of hormones and being consistant with that use of hormones is important,, what gh15 said was that 205 at 8-9% for 6 feet is natural limit,,what you got here is 195 pounder at 4-5 percent on stage,, thats a lot more than 10lb loss iftruly was natural ,,,
this is competition weight of layne norton natural: 6 feet 175-180lb at 6 percent ,,not even half a pound extra and thats after years upon years of training and doing it,,
the reason he can compete at 4 percent to 5 percent at 195lb is because of consistant use of hormones!
gh15 approved
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Like I said, there is a HUGE, HUGE difference between 5'11" 195 at 5% bodyfat vs. 5'11" 195 at 10% body fat.
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Tell me how layne norton can be 5'11 and 235 lbs with abs and insane vascularity hovering around 7 percent bodyfat without drugs.
While 8x's mr. olympia lee haney is the same height and had a stage weight of 240-245 lbs in pretty much the exact same condition??
Are u saying that layne norton has better genetics than lee haney who was no doubt on tons of drugs??
Come on guys get real and end this conversation.
Geezus dude...who us his 235 with "insane" vascularity......christ, the way things get inflated with Layne, its like he's another Bill Brasky.
I wish some people would look at the progression he has made through the years...if thats drugs....wow...he isnt as smart as he makes himself out to be. Funny thing is that most of those claiming to absolutely know he isnt natural....are probably the same type "i lifted for a few years...found I couldnt make the gains as those on the shit...so I went on the shit....so now I can spot a drug user from 100yds". ::)
All I can say is...without even posting in this thread..or being on GetBig..Layne owns so many minds...especially gh1523876248723418762873 6234876 ::)
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sure Tom Prince was a big guy too, now look at him without roids.
The guy had a Kidney transplant! Pretty different scenario smart guy. Trey brewer training like a natural bber would b over 200 lbs at 15% bf.
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Like I said, there is a HUGE, HUGE difference between 5'11" 195 at 5% bodyfat vs. 5'11" 195 at 10% body fat.
obviously, Gh states that you could be 200lbs at 8% naturally. 200lbs is not an exact number so we are able to fluxuated within 5lbs or so agreed? so drop 3% bodyfat from 205lbs and there you go, a 6ft 195lbs natural bodybuilder at 5% bodyfat by droping 10lbs.
I'd say a 5'11 195lb guy at 10% bodyfat would have to drop 15lbs to be around competition leaness.
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According to his own bodyspace profile he's not even 5'11".
5'10.5" are his measurements with arms over 18 inches.
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The guy had a Kidney transplant! Pretty different scenario smart guy. Trey brewer training like a natural bber would b over 200 lbs at 15% bf.
excuse him he is a homosexual muslim :D
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Geezus dude...who us his 235 with "insane" vascularity......christ, the way things get inflated with Layne, its like he's another Bill Brasky.
I wish some people would look at the progression he has made through the years...if thats drugs....wow...he isnt as smart as he makes himself out to be. Funny thing is that most of those claiming to absolutely know he isnt natural....are probably the same type "i lifted for a few years...found I couldnt make the gains as those on the shit...so I went on the shit....so now I can spot a drug user from 100yds". ::)
All I can say is...without even posting in this thread..or being on GetBig..Layne owns so many minds...especially gh1523876248723418762873 6234876 ::)
gh15 is right , layne is as natural as cok flavoured peanut butter..
you are on the verge of melting lower your tren dose son ;D
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According to his own bodyspace profile he's not even 5'11".
5'10.5" are his measurements with arms over 18 inches.
according to his profile he is also natural.
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gh15 is right , layne is as natural as cok flavoured peanut butter..
you are on the verge of melting lower your tren dose son ;D
HA HA HA HA...thats no melt down....I am mearly pointing out the obvious. Must have struck a nerve in you Billy-boy to have you post....
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Tell me how layne norton can be 5'11 and 235 lbs with abs and insane vascularity hovering around 7 percent bodyfat without drugs.
While 8x's mr. olympia lee haney is the same height and had a stage weight of 240-245 lbs in pretty much the exact same condition??
Are u saying that layne norton has better genetics than lee haney who was no doubt on tons of drugs??
Come on guys get real and end this conversation.
huh??if anything you basically insulted lee haney with this sorta comparision.
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according to his profile he is also natural.
Are you saying he's lying about both, then? That comment made no sense.
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Are you saying he's lying about both, then? That comment made no sense.
The point is you assume one thing is correct and another is not.. It was pretty easy to get, didn't think it needed explaining.
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The point is you assume one thing is correct and another is not.. It was pretty easy to get, didn't think it needed explaining.
In other words...you're an idiot. Where have I stated my opinion in this thread on whether he is natural or not? I've been neutral at this point so back to my original assertion that that was an unintelligent comment.
That is beside the point that stating you are natural and stating your height are two utterly different things. One you have a lot to gain from, the other not so much.
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boy f@ggot attention whore layne norton's littly pussy must get moist when a thread goes 20 pages any time hi sname is mentioned on getbig ::) ::)
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Some of you guys must have the worst genetics ever. I dont know if he is natural or do i care, but the level at which some of you SCREAM he is juicing is crazy. Its as if the only people you have ever seen with decent physique's are juicers....sad really..
He has been working out what, 10 + years now? To me, if you workout for 10+ years, you should look atleast some what like how he does, if you really train for it. The lbs numbers of lifts defiantly have me questioning, but his physique is nothing that impressive to anyone who has really lifted weights for 10+ years and stuck to a pretty good diet.
Some of you need to get out more
Not sure you understand the difference between a juiced physique and a natural one.
You can have two bodybuilders that have the same weight, BF%, structure, height, etc. However, if one is juiced and the other is not, they will look VERY different.
Someone on gear has a harder, rounder look.
There is no doubt in my mind that this Layne charachter is sauced up. Not because he has some ungodly amount of muscle (he doesn't) or because he has attained Munzer like conditioning (he hasn't). He has the juice look. Plain and simple.
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boy f@ggot attention whore layne norton's littly pussy must get moist when a thread goes 20 pages any time hi sname is mentioned on getbig ::) ::)
Ask yourself this one....who do you think is the bigger "whore"...Goodrum or Layne?
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Ask yourself this one....who do you think is the bigger "whore"...Goodrum or Layne?
goodrum is the bigger whore......but him and layne really cant be compared
layne is just a whore for attention, goodrum has a whole mental illness thing going on.
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Not sure you understand the difference between a juiced physique and a natural one.
You can have two bodybuilders that have the same weight, BF%, structure, height, etc. However, if one is juiced and the other is not, they will look VERY different.
Someone on gear has a harder, rounder look.
There is no doubt in my mind that this Layne charachter is sauced up. Not because he has some ungodly amount of muscle (he doesn't) or because he has attained Munzer like conditioning (he hasn't). He has the juice look. Plain and simple.
That's what I always say, it's all about the look, forget the numbers.
Now, what I'd like to know is what kind of cycles Scott Connelly liked to run for the old Met-Rx ads. I remember he was pretty swole for a while. On a fairly recent radio show he said Triacana was a great drug. The ephedrine/caffeine stack was great too. What about the roids? Connelly knows drugs trump wonder protein all day long and without drugs = no bodybuilder physique. :D
It is absolutely laughable that people believe this guy is not using any kind of chemical enhancements. Thank goodness for the dumb and gullible. They help the rest of us get fucking rich!
:D
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goodrum is the bigger whore......but him and layne really cant be compared
layne is just a whore for attention, goodrum has a whole mental illness thing going on.
Thing is this...Layne doesnt start threads like this. I like the guy....wayyyyy at the beginning of his "forum" career he was a BIG douche. In the last few years he has mellowed and really knows his shit. Hell the guy even has called out other companies on their bullshit claims. I know sometimes he does have a chip show up every now and then, but overall the guy is pretty genuine. Yes, I have spoken to him personally...and I do respect what hes done with what genetics he has. Maybe he should be uber cocky so that it will match the shit he's always given.
My comparison is a simple "bodybuilding forum whore".....personally a Goodrum thread blows up faster.
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In other words...you're an idiot. Where have I stated my opinion in this thread on whether he is natural or not? I've been neutral at this point so back to my original assertion that that was an unintelligent comment.
That is beside the point that stating you are natural and stating your height are two utterly different things. One you have a lot to gain from, the other not so much.
My originally comment wasn't direct individually at you but anyone who picks and chooses what is truth and lie. The general thought is "if someone lies about one thing they'll lie about another" People lie about there height and weight all the time, you tell me what's to gain from it.
btw(I'm not disagreeing with the height you've given)
Truth is Layne's physique is alright but nothing special. He's tall and gangly looking, he's got a long torso and high lats, relatively no thickness and I don't really need to mention the legs. If you believe that is only achievable with drug use so be it but I would disagree. The only thing that makes Layne so talked about is the fact that he's out there making videos and writing articles for bb.com. If he wasnt so marketable he would just be another unknown bodybuilder with a decent natural physique.
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My originally comment wasn't direct individually at you but anyone who picks and chooses what is truth and lie. The general thought is "if someone lies about one thing they'll lie about another" People lie about there height and weight all the time, you tell me what's to gain from it.
btw(I'm not disagreeing with the height you've given)
Truth is Layne's physique is alright but nothing special. He's tall and gangly looking, he's got a long torso and high lats, relatively no thickness and I don't really need to mention the legs. If you believe that is only achievable with drug use so be it but I would disagree. The only thing that makes Layne so talked about is the fact that he's out there making videos and writing articles for bb.com. If he wasnt so marketable he would just be another unknown bodybuilder with a decent natural physique.
EXACTLY!!! He has gotten to that point by doing just that...marketing himself. Is that really a reason to hate the guy? Also...he himself has mentioned how his legs are not that outstanding.
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Geezus dude...who us his 235 with "insane" vascularity......christ, the way things get inflated with Layne, its like he's another Bill Brasky.
I wish some people would look at the progression he has made through the years...if thats drugs....wow...he isnt as smart as he makes himself out to be. Funny thing is that most of those claiming to absolutely know he isnt natural....are probably the same type "i lifted for a few years...found I couldnt make the gains as those on the shit...so I went on the shit....so now I can spot a drug user from 100yds". ::)
All I can say is...without even posting in this thread..or being on GetBig..Layne owns so many minds...especially gh1523876248723418762873 6234876 ::)
its very naive to think that layne is natural.
no let me take that back, its extremely naive to think layne is natural.
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huh??if anything you basically insulted lee haney with this sorta comparision.
no its just a comparison, that there is no f'n way layne is natural.
in no way did i mean it as a knock on lee haney, who is one of the greatest bodybuilders ever.
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Layne's legs look natural for a white guy...
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i dont really care if he is a natural or not.
and i see why alot of people could believe that he is natural. he doesnt look like the probodybuilders. and most natural bodybuilders are very delusional about what they look like, and probably think they look somehting similar to layne if they were to get shredded.
the reason guys like flexington and mindspin are trying to make everyone realize he is on steroids is because the way he looks, and also his stats (5'11'' 235lbs ripped) are unattainable naturally. (whether or not there are exceptions to this rule, lets not get into it... hell, maybe layne is an excpetion and is natty, but for everyone else its nt possible)
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What exactly does natural even mean? Some pro hormones, a little igf1, maybe some wierd grey market shit, plus some T3, GHB etc. Isn't that all technically natural?
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Insulin use is for a fact allowed in natural bodybuilding.
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i dont really care if he is a natural or not.
and i see why alot of people could believe that he is natural. he doesnt look like the probodybuilders. and most natural bodybuilders are very delusional about what they look like, and probably think they look somehting similar to layne if they were to get shredded.
the reason guys like flexington and mindspin are trying to make everyone realize he is on steroids is because the way he looks, and also his stats (5'11'' 235lbs ripped) are unattainable naturally. (whether or not there are exceptions to this rule, lets not get into it... hell, maybe layne is an excpetion and is natty, but for everyone else its nt possible)
Im in the same boat as u bro, i could care less if he's natural or on a boatload of drugs. It doesnt matter to me in the least bit.
But what does bother me is that guys claim natural status and have these physiques that are unattainable for 99% of young kids who lift, but because they let the world know that they are "natural" these young guys actually believe if they eat their protein and cycle their carbs they can look like layne norton on creatine and glutamine.
Tbombz you and I know this is a total lie, but there are some who dont know this. And they end up wasting years and years thinking they can be 235 and lean as fuk at under six feet tall.
Passing a drug test for a "natural" show is very easy. Western union ali amini a few bucks and he'll give u a 16 week cycle that'll have u passing olympic standard drug testing.
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i dont really care if he is a natural or not.
and i see why alot of people could believe that he is natural. he doesnt look like the probodybuilders. and most natural bodybuilders are very delusional about what they look like, and probably think they look somehting similar to layne if they were to get shredded.
the reason guys like flexington and mindspin are trying to make everyone realize he is on steroids is because the way he looks, and also his stats (5'11'' 235lbs ripped) are unattainable naturally. (whether or not there are exceptions to this rule, lets not get into it... hell, maybe layne is an excpetion and is natty, but for everyone else its nt possible)
Now he's 5'11, 235 and ripped? Wow...
flexington....what have you attained 'naturally'
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He's not 235 on stage...
More like 180-190...
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Now he's 5'11, 235 and ripped? Wow...
flexington....what have you attained 'naturally'
hey my bad heres his exact words below. still he's as natural as a man with three balls.
and to answer your question, what have i attained naturally? A whole hell of a lot less than layne has thats for sure.
sorry I just realized I never answered you about stats. In these pics I'm about 216 and i'm 5'10.5".
measurements wise i'm not totally sure but arms are over 18", thighs are just under 28" at the biggest part, calves are just under 17", and my waist is a touch over 34". bodyfat is about 7-8% on calipers
-Layne
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hey my bad heres his exact words below. still he's as natural as a man with three balls.
and to answer your question, what have i attained naturally? A whole hell of a lot less than layne has thats for sure.
so 216lbs at 5' 10.5", (we gotta be sure to count that extra 8/16th's of an inch) and 8% bodyfat would put him somewhere around 198lbs 4% or so bf during contest. makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense is this steriod look? Mindspin says he hasn't achieved Munzer like coniditioning so it cannot be this thin skin he's got, He doesn't have thickness or much fullness, He doesn't appear to have a redish look to him from either skin irritation/ high blood pressure or Insulin use. Could either Mindspin or Flexington elaborate on this "look"?
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He definitely does have the red glow going on in those pics
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hey my bad heres his exact words below. still he's as natural as a man with three balls.
and to answer your question, what have i attained naturally? A whole hell of a lot less than layne has thats for sure.
You also forgot to quote how he says he knows his legs arent great.
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He claims natural because he does not have the extra gifts needed to make it in pro BB , he is still on a fuk load of gear and other drugs but realises he does not have what it takes so has found a niche in this whole "natural" bullshit.
You guys are so naive its laughable.
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gh15 has elaborated on the point that most users achieve a 3d thickness to there muscle from all angles,its gives that pop look with tighter thin skin and hardened look with extreme vascularity in a bulk mode and extreme as one diets down to contest form .is layne achieving this look now?
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fellas,, i have trained them all and seen them all,, it now is not a matter of looks its matter of muscle mesurements,,ofcourse he has the look of hormonized lifter,,but the mesurments are in the top of the top of hormonized bodybuilding,,his problem is that he has VERY VERY AVERAGE GENERIC RESPOND TO HORMONES WITH GOOD DEDICATION ,,and this is what you get when your genetic respond is average yet youre very dedicated,,,
the best of the best top amatuers npc are walkin around with 28 inch quads at 6 feet,,the best of the best hormonized bodybuilderd step on stage with 18 inch arms and not even quarter inch over,,the best of the best of hormonizec npc lifters lift the weights he lift and are on a lot of drugs they buy on a regular monthly basis,,
the problem this kid has is that he suck as a bodybuilder,,so he decided to do a natural spin on things and concentrate on the healthy aspect of fitness selling it to the masses of goolible kids that wanna start supplemtns etc,,
it doesnt matter what anyone says on this thread only thing you need to read is this post im writing here,,im NEVER wrong ,,i know exactly the products he uses and the exact sources he get it from ,, the guy is not playing with igf balonie,,he is playing with real deal anabolic steroids and not only when he feels like but for a long consistant time,,
]he is smart in the way he uses them because liek skip he try to make a buck out of bodybuilding,,kalev did it ,,skip did it and norton does it ,,many more do it they lie their way around but be assured that he like anyother lifter sit and beg for products on a monthly basis
gh15 approved
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exactly, he s the poster boy for all the young naive idiots over there at bbing.com who believe buying all these useless powders will make em look like him...
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He claims natural because he does not have the extra gifts needed to make it in pro BB , he is still on a fuk load of gear and other drugs but realises he does not have what it takes so has found a niche in this whole "natural" bullshit.
You guys are so naive its laughable.
Ok Billy ::) Layne owns your mind without even trying...HA HA
BTW...GH1538763276237864 2 I am never wrong either.....you are still a douche behind a screen. What ever happened to your "In January 2010 I will reveal myself". HA HA HA
This is all getting so funny....
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Ok Billy ::) Layne owns your mind without even trying...HA HA
BTW...GH1538763276237864 2 I am never wrong either.....you are still a douche behind a screen. What ever happened to your "In January 2010 I will reveal myself". HA HA HA
This is all getting so funny....
Does he? I could care less about some lying guy who sells supplements and bullshit to kids.
I think he looks great but is not drug free end of story.
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I'm curious, when someone gives a quad measurement, when do they take this measurement? Is it at the thickest part, upper thigh, or is it a few inches above the kneecap, at the bottom of the thigh sweep?
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Does he? I could care less about some lying guy who sells supplements and bullshit to kids.
I think he looks great but is not drug free end of story.
Absolutely, 100% end of story. Prove he isn't. Or does it just come down to a simple fact of "Because I couldnt do it...no way Layne could either".
BTW..its "I couldn't care less"....hope this helps Billy
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Out of curiosity what do the people who dispute his natural status look like?
I really don't know if he is natural or not. I would say only he does.
He look good either way.
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this could be true, Will. BUT, on the other hand, its very possible for a natural to be bigger and stronger than layne norton without drugs.
prove it
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I think the key question is... Is it possible to be big and very lean (sub 7%) at the same time, without the sause.
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the fuk you wiggers on about? he is in no way big
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k72/str8flexed/P1070546.jpg)
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k72/str8flexed/P1070547.jpg)
no thickness whatsoever. GH15 is smoking crack because he is ALL DRUGS
TRIX approved
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Those last 2 pics do not resemble the first series at all. Here he looks clean idd. Redness is gone as well
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the fuk you wiggers on about? he is in no way big
no thickness whatsoever. GH15 is smoking crack because he is ALL DRUGS
TRIX approved
Hahaha 235lbs ripped to shreds, what are they thinking?
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the fuk you wiggers on about? he is in no way big
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k72/str8flexed/P1070546.jpg)
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k72/str8flexed/P1070547.jpg)
no thickness whatsoever. GH15 is smoking crack because he is ALL DRUGS
TRIX approved
EXACTLY!
He is a smart and hard worker who is hella strong and when he gets ripped he is much smaller.
Makes you wonder the kinda twinks on this board would consider him to be juiced!
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GH15 is smoking crack because he is ALL DRUGS
TRIX approved
QF-MF-T
ANYONE who thinks thats someone who is on "low doses"....HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
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friends,,you know who you remind me? you remind me those fatzos sitting somewhere when a bodybuilder show up and tell him hey youre damn big i woudnt wanna mess up with you ,,how much you bench 250? lol thats the type of people you remind me,,wake up fellas you are bodybuilders not some kids who just started lifting,,this is not mayehm or bb.com or md,,here you suppose to know whats up,,
for the last time i will try to explain ,,the use of hormones has nothing to do with weight it has a lot more to do with size and development,,the weight is only for bodybuilders who are more gifted as in respond well to the hormones and need the extra weight so they can compete in npc higher levels,,
this is a guy that build himself on lies of being natural,,he is juiced to the max ofcourse with short esters and tablets INCLUDING GH,,but! and this is a big but ,,he dont and cant maintain his quality and condition whiel getting heavier while lookin natural ,,even if he wanted to be npc hormonized competitor he woudnt be able to since his genetic respond and frame is just not up to par,,he is more of a strength lifter that com0pete bodybuilding and try to pass it as natural,,
you put here pics of the fella with yellow tank top so i will elaborate on those pics,,his physiqe is nothing to write home about because he is very average true but hsi physiqe is build more for strength and pwoer lifting,,he just wanna do bodybuildign due to narcsism that is the main reason we all in this cult to begin with ,, the problem is he lie and how do you knwo it by picture?
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This is always a funny discussion. Layme uses pre contest, just as Many natural bbers. Pics in yellow are off season when he's off, first pics he is on. Yes cycles do give you a certain look and yes he has that look. Layme looks like utter shit when off. Nothing impressive whatsoever about the physique in the yellow tank. In fact, he should be rather embarrassed that for all the time and effort put into bodybuilding in his life, that phyisque in yellow is what he has to show for it. If that was just your average guy who works out, its a decent physique, but for someone who eats and sleeps bbing, it's just sad.
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take a look at his traps,, delts,,the traps are swole yet not thick why? because there are no long esters in his blood,,its swole due to suspension who give yo uthe swole look yet smoothen your delts and make them less round due to not enough time to do its magic,,only enough time to help you maintain size of muscle while increasing strength tremendesly,,
take a good look at his face this is face of a guy with very hgih blood pressure due to use of short ester ,,reason he dont look too red is because when you use halotestin it will balance the suspension aqnd work with it well to give you an insane strength yet more of a natural flatter look that naturals need inorder to pass as naturals ,,they got to some how not look round enough and the magic is suspension and halotestin in combo with the option of little estrogen blocker,,
he uses the right doses for his body ,,enough to keep muscle big enough to look good for natural but not enough to make the dumb guy in the street think he is on hormones,,he is the type of guy that will hear a lot the sentence i mentioned t9 obegin with ,,oh you look big how much you bench 250? ewhy? because to the average person this is what hard dedication create ,,but to yo uthe bodybuilder i expect more than you ,,i expect you to unerstand how this cult work and learn it ,,especially when i been among you fso many years
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This is always a funny discussion. Layme uses pre contest, just as Many natural bbers. Pics in yellow are off season when he's off, first pics he is on. Yes cycles do give you a certain look and yes he has that look. Layme looks like utter shit when off. Nothing impressive whatsoever about the physique in the yellow tank. In fact, he should be rather embarrassed that for all the time and effort put into bodybuilding in his life, that phyisque in yellow is what he has to show for it. If that was just your average guy who works out, its a decent physique, but for someone who eats and sleeps bbing, it's just sad.
he is not off! he wont hve testosterone in his balls if he is off this fella is on for life
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he is not off! he wont hve testosterone in his balls if he is off this fella is on for life
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha haha, what is the most you've achieved naturally? weight and height wise? If you think Layne at 235lbs at 18-20% bf shows a perfect example of someone who is on I just gotta know where you once stood?
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he is not off! he wont hve testosterone in his balls if he is off this fella is on for life
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See I don't know that I agree with that, I'd imagine he'd run clomid/nova/hcg... Or even if he bridged between cycles with 250mg of test each week, that really just replacement dosages. He has for years presented 2 different physiques throughout the year, one that is clearly on and one that appears to be off. Besides he takes the drugs that can be used and pass a test, could u imagine sticking yourself with suspension everyday forever?
Besides that body in the yellow tank, if he's really on there, wow that's sad.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, what is the most you've achieved naturally? weight and height wise? If you think Layne at 235lbs at 18-20% bf shows a perfect example of someone who is on I just gotta know where you once stood?
before turned to hormones after 4 years of lifting naturallyt with out any supplemtns i was 185lb at high singles8-9%,, cant say height because then it says who i ajm but im not a 5'3 lee priest and i got one of the best genetic respond youd come across,,
norton isnot 18 percent there he is closer to 9-10 percent probably 10% true body fat hard to tell to the t bu id go with 9-10 percent and hold water from the you got that right suspension:)
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See I don't know that I agree with that, I'd imagine he'd run clomid/nova/hcg... Or even if he bridged between cycles with 250mg of test each week, that really just replacement dosages. He has for years presented 2 different physiques throughout the year, one that is clearly on and one that appears to be off. Besides he takes the drugs that can be used and pass a test, could u imagine sticking yourself with suspension everyday forever?
Besides that body in the yellow tank, if he's really on there, wow that's sad.
your comparing the two physiques, the powerlifting/offseason look and the contest ready look? just because he drops 40lbs and gets lean does not necessarily mean he's on as I'm sure you're already aware. Please post two comparison photos of these looks if you could.
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before turned to hormones after 4 years of lifting naturallyt with out any supplemtns i was 185lb at high singles8-9%,, cant say height because then it says who i ajm but im not a 5'3 lee priest and i got one of the best genetic respond youd come across,,
norton isnot 18 percent there he is closer to 9-10 percent probably 10% true body fat hard to tell to the t bu id go with 9-10 percent and hold water from the you got that right suspension:)
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I doubt 9-10 but I will say I was probably a little high. Do you think you went as far as you could naturally? cause you'd be 165lbs possibly for contest shape. at somewhere I'm guessing 5'7-5'8, going by your stats.
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your comparing the two physiques, the powerlifting/offseason look and the contest ready look? just because he drops 40lbs and gets lean does not necessarily mean he's on as I'm sure you're already aware. Please post two comparison photos of these looks if you could.
I don't have any photos of him saved or anything like that. But I've been around layme for years, met him plenty of times when we both worked expos etc. But I'm not really comparing the offseason/powerlifting look to the pre contest look, yes I understand very well how the physique changes when dropping the weight and that's kind of the point there is that the way his physique changes is not 'natural'. And the look he attains is not natural.
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4 years lifting naturally... theres your problem
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It's great to see all the hormone experts chime in and try to discredit Norton.. All experts lol!
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just the way his insertion blow up,,look at hwo high the pecs start,,look at the swole and fulness of trap,,look at the water hels in the tie ins between arm and delt and overall body oiliness and glowing,,this right here is a hormonized lifter any tmie of year of season on season in between that guy cant lift his cock up to fuck with out hormones,,only thing is they are short esters
this is not only alifter who played with halodrol which is strong dfrug ,,its a lifter who is on constant use of hormones for years
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just the way his insertion blow up,,look at hwo high the pecs start,,look at the swole and fulness of trap,,look at the water hels in the tie ins between arm and delt and overall body oiliness and glowing,,this right here is a hormonized lifter any tmie of year of season on season in between that guy cant lift his cock up to fuck with out hormones,,only thing is they are short esters
this is not only alifter who played with halodrol which is strong dfrug ,,its a lifter who is on constant use of hormones for years
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To me the big tell tale sign of this pic is the leanness in the chest despite fat bloated moon face....
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take a good look at his face this is face of a guy with very hgih blood pressure due to use of short ester
So you're saying in other words to have a normal looking face you need to use long esters such as test enanthate ? and use an ai for the blood pressure ?
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The grown head is not easy to discard. This simply does not happen when not on drugs. I'm talking about head/facial muscles here, not water bloat which ofcourse anyone can have.
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just the way his insertion blow up,,look at hwo high the pecs start,,look at the swole and fulness of trap,,look at the water hels in the tie ins between arm and delt and overall body oiliness and glowing,,this right here is a hormonized lifter any tmie of year of season on season in between that guy cant lift his cock up to fuck with out hormones,,only thing is they are short esters
this is not only alifter who played with halodrol which is strong dfrug ,,its a lifter who is on constant use of hormones for years
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this is almost as dumb as those people who claim that stretchmarks are a sign of steriod use. ALMOST
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I would like one person who is NATURAL and BETTER than Layne tell us Layne is on drugs.
WAITING.
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I would like one person who is NATURAL and BETTER than Layne tell us Layne is on drugs.
WAITING.
Layne is not on drugs
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who cares whether he takes drugs he still looks like crap...
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who cares whether he takes drugs he still looks like crap...
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Layne is not on drugs
You also claim to be a lifetime natural, right? Because I saw some pics of you where you most definitely were on drugs. Post some of the pics you've put up before.
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You also claim to be a lifetime natural, right? Because I saw some pics of you where you most definitely were on drugs. Post some of the pics you've put up before.
With a name like "sauce"trodamus I just assumed..
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With a name like "sauce"trodamus I just assumed..
I'm pretty sure he claims lifetime natural. If so, he's a liar.
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Layne and Saucetrodamus are Lifetime Naturals. End of Thread.
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before turned to hormones after 4 years of lifting naturallyt with out any supplemtns i was 185lb at high singles8-9%,, cant say height because then it says who i ajm but im not a 5'3 lee priest and i got one of the best genetic respond youd come across,,
norton isnot 18 percent there he is closer to 9-10 percent probably 10% true body fat hard to tell to the t bu id go with 9-10 percent and hold water from the you got that right suspension:)
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4yrs...couldnt break 185...>HA HA HA HA HA HA HA......couldnt hack it could ya? National chest mondays for you? You are a tool.....
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At least he is honest, 185 at 8-9% ain't so bad, the best I could do was 168 at 8-9% and I'm 5'11" of course I NEVER REALLY EVER trained my legs so very hard.
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the best is 200lb 7% at 5'9 ;)
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200 at 7% at 5'9" is impressive. Props man!
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just the way his insertion blow up,,look at hwo high the pecs start,,look at the swole and fulness of trap,,look at the water hels in the tie ins between arm and delt and overall body oiliness and glowing,,this right here is a hormonized lifter any tmie of year of season on season in between that guy cant lift his cock up to fuck with out hormones,,only thing is they are short esters
this is not only alifter who played with halodrol which is strong dfrug ,,its a lifter who is on constant use of hormones for years
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Again....you are such a tool.....you are most likely the kind of guy who doesnt really have genetics for gaining muscle...but sure, run a shit ton in you and BOOM..."look at me...I am an IFBB pro....I can do G4P and be all huge and stuff" ::)
To me the big tell tale sign of this pic is the leanness in the chest despite fat bloated moon face....
You cant be serious. The leanness in the chest? Ever hit a most muscular pose? If so, do you recall holding your breath and noting what happens to your face?
I couldnt agree more with this:
It's great to see all the hormone experts chime in and try to discredit Norton.. All experts lol!
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just the way his insertion blow up,,look at hwo high the pecs start,,look at the swole and fulness of trap,,look at the water hels in the tie ins between arm and delt and overall body oiliness and glowing,,this right here is a hormonized lifter any tmie of year of season on season in between that guy cant lift his cock up to fuck with out hormones,,only thing is they are short esters
this is not only alifter who played with halodrol which is strong dfrug ,,its a lifter who is on constant use of hormones for years
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Shut the fuck up you retarded enigma.
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Again....you are such a tool.....you are most likely the kind of guy who doesnt really have genetics for gaining muscle...but sure, run a shit ton in you and BOOM..."look at me...I am an IFBB pro....I can do G4P and be all huge and stuff" ::)
You cant be serious. The leanness in the chest? Ever hit a most muscular pose? If so, do you recall holding your breath and noting what happens to your face?
I couldnt agree more with this:
I am completely serious.
What I find funny is all these 'lifetime naturals' who would therefore have very little to no knowledge of drug interactions in the body disputing the points that those of us with extensive knowledge of steroid use point out. Seriously, the guy has blatent moon face which is a tell tale sign but all the naturals just brush it off like they know anything.
Oh and for the record because some of u want wanna act like know it alls, perhaps I should change my sig to something like 'i used to compete, probably had a bigger and better physique than 99% of this board, I've posted pics and a few people here know who I am.
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At least he is honest, 185 at 8-9% ain't so bad, the best I could do was 168 at 8-9% and I'm 5'11" of course I NEVER REALLY EVER trained my legs so very hard.
185 at 8% is pretty good and realistic but does that mean noone could be better?
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my younger brother is bigger and stronger than norton without drugs...
i guess that proves it.. ::)
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I am completely serious.
What I find funny is all these 'lifetime naturals' who would therefore have very little to no knowledge of drug interactions in the body disputing the points that those of us with extensive knowledge of steroid use point out. Seriously, the guy has blatent moon face which is a tell tale sign but all the naturals just brush it off like they know anything.
Oh and for the record because some of u want wanna act like know it alls, perhaps I should change my sig to something like 'i used to compete, probably had a bigger and better physique than 99% of this board, I've posted pics and a few people here know who I am.
I dont know who you are....nor do you know who I am. All I can say is that I have done 2 bottles of PH's in my life (back in early/mid 90's). I compete (or should I say soon to be used to compete) in the WNBF and hit the stage about 185 - 190. I posted some precontest pics and was called out like I was pushing enough shit into me to compete at Jr. Nationals. I understand your comment about the naturals disputing points about interactions....but how about those who have chosen to go the drug route with only 4yrs training (or less)...telling someone who hasnt done shit and has done it for 10+ yrs (20+ in my case) what can be done and cant be done without being on the shit.
You may have a better body than 99% of the board...great....but what does that have to do with you being able to definitively say Layne is running a cycle here and there? Hell, this old man just did 445 convention dead for 5...just belt, followed by 15 reps with 355. I havent gone to the 'dark side', maybe I will, maybe I wont. But again, to say Layne is...really isnt giving him credit. Funny how so many will say "it isnt worth it to eat clean and go the natural route.....I can eat like shit now and run a cycle and look better". Sure you can....but for some the small...no...VERY small gains you make as a natural are worth it.
I know...I know....epic/brutal/nuclear/etc etc meltdown.
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true natural numbers = 165lb 6% 5'10 on stage,,5'7 150lb 6% on stage,,6'2 195 6% on stage,, those are natural numbers my friends,,
when you walk on stage 197lb 6 feet 4% you been hormone addict for a long long time my friend,,
and thats the buttom line,,last SUPER HEAVY weight in nationals that i worked with as in both training and training with mesured quads at 28.25 inches,,he is 6'1 a alot better genetic respond than this liar tsalked about in this thread,,
you can train 5 years 10 20 and 30 you will never see the numbers he push nor will you see the mesurments he poses unless y uo are hormonized and consistant in hormonizing yourself
i haev the following of thousands,,i state the truth ,,i state it clear ,,and i state it loud,,
im never wrong,,for i am gh15
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Shut the fuck up you retarded enigma.
oh look who woke up,,the african beast,,
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true natural numbers = 165lb 6% 5'10 on stage,,5'7 150lb 6% on stage,,6'2 195 6% on stage,, those are natural numbers my friends,,
when you walk on stage 197lb 6 feet 4% you been hormone addict for a long long time my friend,,
and thats the buttom line,,last SUPER HEAVY weight in nationals that i worked with as in both training and training with mesured quads at 28.25 inches,,he is 6'1 a alot better genetic respond than this liar tsalked about in this thread,,
you can train 5 years 10 20 and 30 you will never see the numbers he push nor will you see the mesurments he poses unless y uo are hormonized and consistant in hormonizing yourself
i haev the following of thousands,,i state the truth ,,i state it clear ,,and i state it loud,,
im never wrong,,for i am gh15
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Hey junkie/dealer/G4P-er......I am on stage at 5'9 (maybe 1/2) at 185 - 190.......you went the route you did...Layne is doing his...I am doing mine. Give it up, your shtick is tiresome and boring. Your jealousy is so tangible we could bottle it. Go screw someone over for a shipment.....steal money from people to fund your own usage. Just admit you couldnt hack the pressure of training without drugs and not making the gains your "friends" at the gym were making. Dont you have a schmoe to service? GH1567765167576159696256 727527652 sodomized.
DF4L approved.....
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i haev the following of thousands,,i state the truth ,,i state it clear ,,and i state it loud,,
im never wrong,,for i am gh15
and i have your ip from more than one thread and
I state the truth, fuck your following, told old to ever be wrong
for I am buffdnet lmop and you are not quite who you suggest.
now are ya
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assclowns natural numbers are correct but anyone who competes
knows this cuz we have lived it. guys who are bigger/heavier are
wnbf, nga pros. rest of us can't even begin to compete against that
class of bodybuilder let alone npc type drug users,
felony drugs users.
my bad
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Hey junkie/dealer/G4P-er......I am on stage at 5'9 (maybe 1/2) at 185 - 190.......you went the route you did...Layne is doing his...I am doing mine. Give it up, your shtick is tiresome and boring. Your jealousy is so tangible we could bottle it. Go screw someone over for a shipment.....steal money from people to fund your own usage. Just admit you couldnt hack the pressure of training without drugs and not making the gains your "friends" at the gym were making. Dont you have a schmoe to service? GH1567765167576159696256 727527652 sodomized.
DF4L approved.....
it has nothnig to do with jelousy it has a lot to do with the truth ,,i actuaklly won a show naturally before i went on hormones ,,and i won it fair and quare ,,later on i went on hormones and the rest is history,,since then bodybuilding gave me very good life including lots of contracts so im happy with what i achieved,,norton on the other hand built himself on lies and still wont make a buck out of bodybuilding mark my words,,
the reasonyou see most of bodybuilders shut up and not adding their cents on this thread is because they know god of hormones is right,,
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and i have your ip from more than one thread and
I state the truth, fuck your following, told old to ever be wrong
for I am buffdnet lmop and you are not quite who you suggest.
now are ya
no one had my ip because gh15 wor kfrom wirless stations hooked to diff people around the world,,it can be in usa ,,euroope,,masked ips sometimes too depend on the lap top that is used,,ther gh15 identity is secured forever ,,
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oh look who woke up,,the african beast,,
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I dont know who you are....nor do you know who I am. All I can say is that I have done 2 bottles of PH's in my life (back in early/mid 90's). I compete (or should I say soon to be used to compete) in the WNBF and hit the stage about 185 - 190. I posted some precontest pics and was called out like I was pushing enough shit into me to compete at Jr. Nationals. I understand your comment about the naturals disputing points about interactions....but how about those who have chosen to go the drug route with only 4yrs training (or less)...telling someone who hasnt done shit and has done it for 10+ yrs (20+ in my case) what can be done and cant be done without being on the shit.
You may have a better body than 99% of the board...great....but what does that have to do with you being able to definitively say Layne is running a cycle here and there? Hell, this old man just did 445 convention
dead for 5...just belt, followed by 15 reps with 355. I havent gone to the 'dark side', maybe I will, maybe I wont. But again, to say Layne is...really isnt giving him credit. Funny how so many will say "it isnt worth it to eat clean and go the natural route.....I can eat like shit now and run a cycle and look better". Sure you can....but for some the small...no...VERY small gains you make as a natural are worth it.
I know...I know....epic/brutal/nuclear/etc etc meltdown.
Bro, I am not going to dispute what is possible for naturals because in fact I do believe that much much more is possible than what most here are willing to give credit for. I'm not anti natural, and I most certainly believe that there are very strong natural people, and very gifted natural physiques. I am not going to doubt that you are natural because you look like you are using in a pic or two. And I really hate playing the I'm a big guy card cause I'm not trying to be gh15, and that comment really wasn't directed at you or anything.
What I am saying, is that in being a part of the bodybuilding scene for quite some time now, having worked at expos, having seen layne at numerous points in time, having watched him post pics this that and the other, I believe quite firmly that he uses or has used compounds at various points in time over his career.
Is anyone gonna know for sure other than him? Of course not. But do I believe we are talking about a guy who is smart enough to know that despite his passion, he does not have the genetics to be a player in the bbing world if he is not able to carve out an niche for himself, which he has done, and probably makes a decent living off of, if nothing more than to support his passion for his life style. So again, I don't think lain uses because you take one look at the guy and see a physique which you can't imagine is possible without the use of juice, it's a culmination of a lot of other things, which isn't to say that I don't think you can look at various pics of him and tell when he is likely on vs when he is likely not....
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Not sure you understand the difference between a juiced physique and a natural one.
You can have two bodybuilders that have the same weight, BF%, structure, height, etc. However, if one is juiced and the other is not, they will look VERY different.
Someone on gear has a harder, rounder look.
There is no doubt in my mind that this Layne charachter is sauced up. Not because he has some ungodly amount of muscle (he doesn't) or because he has attained Munzer like conditioning (he hasn't). He has the juice look. Plain and simple.
Oh, i sure do. Been following bodybuilding since Haneys days and and working out just as long.
I also said above, that he could be sauced, but no where near what a IFBB pro or even a NPC competitor is this day and age. I just dont see it in his physique, and if he is, then he responds horribly.
He looks to me, like a person who has worked out very hard for what he has gotten and probably done a few cycles from time to time but nothing too crazy.
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My originally comment wasn't direct individually at you but anyone who picks and chooses what is truth and lie. The general thought is "if someone lies about one thing they'll lie about another" People lie about there height and weight all the time, you tell me what's to gain from it.
btw(I'm not disagreeing with the height you've given)
Truth is Layne's physique is alright but nothing special. He's tall and gangly looking, he's got a long torso and high lats, relatively no thickness and I don't really need to mention the legs. If you believe that is only achievable with drug use so be it but I would disagree. The only thing that makes Layne so talked about is the fact that he's out there making videos and writing articles for bb.com. If he wasnt so marketable he would just be another unknown bodybuilder with a decent natural physique.
100% agree. If i really worked out for a long period of time and did cycle after cycle, i sure would hope i would look better then what i see in Laynes physique.
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just the way his insertion blow up,,look at hwo high the pecs start,,look at the swole and fulness of trap,,look at the water hels in the tie ins between arm and delt and overall body oiliness and glowing,,this right here is a hormonized lifter any tmie of year of season on season in between that guy cant lift his cock up to fuck with out hormones,,only thing is they are short esters
this is not only alifter who played with halodrol which is strong dfrug ,,its a lifter who is on constant use of hormones for years
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To say all of that, based on the pic you had above, is pretty sad imo. I really would like to see a real pic of half the guys in this thread. Probably all under 21 or fat ass never done anything 30somthings.
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Hey junkie/dealer/G4P-er......I am on stage at 5'9 (maybe 1/2) at 185 - 190.......you went the route you did...Layne is doing his...I am doing mine. Give it up, your shtick is tiresome and boring. Your jealousy is so tangible we could bottle it. Go screw someone over for a shipment.....steal money from people to fund your own usage. Just admit you couldnt hack the pressure of training without drugs and not making the gains your "friends" at the gym were making. Dont you have a schmoe to service? GH1567765167576159696256 727527652 sodomized.
DF4L approved.....
This is what "drug free" looks like.
HTH 8)
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and i have your ip from more than one thread and
I state the truth, fuck your following, told old to ever be wrong
for I am buffdnet lmop and you are not quite who you suggest.
now are ya
Hey fag, its not 1996 anymore and no one gives a flying fuck if you have their IP address.
PS. Layne looks like dog shit, he uses drugs, responds poorly and downplayed his drug use like 90% of other drug users. In Layne's case he flat out denies it though. Lying about doses is something you must always anticipate, but flat out denial gets you in the big book of complete and utter trash. Lying is something I can't stand, especially when he's exploiting the dolts who haven't realized that their idol is more than creatine monohydrate and fish oil supplements.
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Hey junkie/dealer/G4P-er......I am on stage at 5'9 (maybe 1/2) at 185 - 190.......you went the route you did...Layne is doing his...I am doing mine. Give it up, your shtick is tiresome and boring. Your jealousy is so tangible we could bottle it. Go screw someone over for a shipment.....steal money from people to fund your own usage. Just admit you couldnt hack the pressure of training without drugs and not making the gains your "friends" at the gym were making. Dont you have a schmoe to service? GH1567765167576159696256 727527652 sodomized.
DF4L approved.....
im with you mate. gh15 is a junkie/dealer and always reckons naturals are smaller than many of the guys ive seen who are absolutely without doubt naturals.
heck we have footballers who are 5'10" and 200lbs with less than 10% bfat and they train for stamina.
and completely natural for life.
i personally know guys that are 200lb+ at 5'10" in competition bfat..and loads of guys who dont compete but are around 10%bfat hitting the scales at 100kg or more.
gh15 has NEVER tried it drug free, so its convenient for him to say it isnt possible to rationalise his drug use and make him feel better.
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Bro, I am not going to dispute what is possible for naturals because in fact I do believe that much much more is possible than what most here are willing to give credit for. I'm not anti natural, and I most certainly believe that there are very strong natural people, and very gifted natural physiques. I am not going to doubt that you are natural because you look like you are using in a pic or two. And I really hate playing the I'm a big guy card cause I'm not trying to be gh15, and that comment really wasn't directed at you or anything.
What I am saying, is that in being a part of the bodybuilding scene for quite some time now, having worked at expos, having seen layne at numerous points in time, having watched him post pics this that and the other, I believe quite firmly that he uses or has used compounds at various points in time over his career.
Is anyone gonna know for sure other than him? Of course not. But do I believe we are talking about a guy who is smart enough to know that despite his passion, he does not have the genetics to be a player in the bbing world if he is not able to carve out an niche for himself, which he has done, and probably makes a decent living off of, if nothing more than to support his passion for his life style. So again, I don't think lain uses because you take one look at the guy and see a physique which you can't imagine is possible without the use of juice, it's a culmination of a lot of other things, which isn't to say that I don't think you can look at various pics of him and tell when he is likely on vs when he is likely not....
Fair enough....I wasnt pissed at you....in fact, when guys like you admit they use...and say going the natural route is not worth it....I have no problem with it. All I can say is that I have seen Layne...I have spoke with him...I have seen what he gives back (without doing the same old tiresome routine of "eat 6 egg whites with 1/2 cup oatmeal for meal #1"). He answers a shit ton of questions...he has done his time with regard to education....as well as gym time. He admits his 'shortcomings' when it comes to his physique. He loves bodybuilding, which is more than can be said for a lot around here. Really track his progress from many, many years ago when he first came around...till now. Is that really someone who uses? I know what I have done, and he puts in a lot more work than I do...so I dont find it hard to believe and accept his status.
As for GH-G4P.....he should admit that he is just another scum bag dealing-schmoe loving-IFBB pro.
Believe me...I was happy the day I "woke up" and realized that no matter what Weider/MD/MI principle/training routine/supplement I use...I will never achieve what IFBB pro's (or national level NPC competitors) look like.
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i haev the following of thousands,,i state the truth ,,i state it clear ,,and i state it loud,,
im never wrong,,for i am gh15
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haha Keep telling yourself that. Layne built his career on lies you say and you built yours on an internet forum gimmick, Hows that working out for you?
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haha Keep telling yourself that. Layne built his career on lies you say and you built yours on an internet forum gimmick, Hows that working out for you?
Brutal truth right there....GHG4P....."alleged" IFBB pro.....martian hunter.....drug dealer....what else am I missing?
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Fair enough....I wasnt pissed at you....in fact, when guys like you admit they use...and say going the natural route is not worth it....I have no problem with it. All I can say is that I have seen Layne...I have spoke with him...I have seen what he gives back (without doing the same old tiresome routine of "eat 6 egg whites with 1/2 cup oatmeal for meal #1"). He answers a shit ton of questions...he has done his time with regard to education....as well as gym time. He admits his 'shortcomings' when it comes to his physique. He loves bodybuilding, which is more than can be said for a lot around here. Really track his progress from many, many years ago when he first came around...till now. Is that really someone who uses? I know what I have done, and he puts in a lot more work than I do...so I dont find it hard to believe and accept his status.
As for GH-G4P.....he should admit that he is just another scum bag dealing-schmoe loving-IFBB pro.
Believe me...I was happy the day I "woke up" and realized that no matter what Weider/MD/MI principle/training routine/supplement I use...I will never achieve what IFBB pro's (or national level NPC competitors) look like.
Honestly I go one step further and say I wish I stayed natural longer. I hopped on way too early because the influences I had made me believe it was the logical next step and the right time to do so. I had good genetics and responded well to training so it was like shit hop on the sauce and get on stage. Once I crossed that line and stayed on the dark side for a few years, well there was no going back, no training natty, and no desire to train when off. Then of course I wind up disliking competitive bbing and then it's like shit where do I go now....
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no one trains when off,,no one lift heavy weihts when off,,no one has the reason to do so when off,,the whooe purpose in bodybuilding is to impress people its a cult A CULT its not a sport per say and we do it to impress and to look uniqe and the best we can ,,,looking healthy is where fitness is ,,bodybuilders are all on hormones no matter what lie they tell yo uto your face,,we are all on them,,most americano bodybuilders arer known to be liars MOST not all ,,but most americano bodybuilders live in fear ,,their girls wont date them if they admit to use,,they will be seen as cheaters in the eyes ofother americanos,,you need to tunderstand that in the american society the idea is ...first achieve something and if you have done so and made us happy and let us sit with our 10 pound burger and chilli dog and let us drink beer while seeing you win something in sports,,then you can admit to using and we will still love yuo ,,thats just how americanos are ,,its generational thing,,its just fucked up people now days,,but hey they are 300million so y uocant fight it ,,,what do you do ? you join it!
get it in yoru head kids ,,all athletes are on drugs ALL including golf ,,all of us try to find the easiest way to be the best,,all of us,,BUT! the absolut worst thing is to lie,,liars do not go far,,,there is lie and then there is LIE,,,a liar like norton will pay the price one day,,he will,,he will need a kidny or something he will pay price dont worry and then as usualleveryone will come here and say PRAISE GOD PRAISE GH15 FOR HE IS GOD ,,youre like sheep my friends,,few of you know what they talk about ,,rest of the kids here have no clue and the worst are the ones who dont have a clue still use AND LIE about it ,,they are the ones who live in compete denialand they are the core of generation nothingness
read the bible i wrote for you during the years mabe you will wize up
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no one trains when off,,no one lift heavy weihts when off,,no one has the reason to do so when off,,the whooe purpose in bodybuilding is to impress people its a cult A CULT its not a sport per say and we do it to impress and to look uniqe and the best we can ,,,looking healthy is where fitness is ,,bodybuilders are all on hormones no matter what lie they tell yo uto your face,,we are all on them,,most americano bodybuilders arer known to be liars MOST not all ,,but most americano bodybuilders live in fear ,,their girls wont date them if they admit to use,,they will be seen as cheaters in the eyes ofother americanos,,you need to tunderstand that in the american society the idea is ...first achieve something and if you have done so and made us happy and let us sit with our 10 pound burger and chilli dog and let us drink beer while seeing you win something in sports,,then you can admit to using and we will still love yuo ,,thats just how americanos are ,,its generational thing,,its just fucked up people now days,,but hey they are 300million so y uocant fight it ,,,what do you do ? you join it!
get it in yoru head kids ,,all athletes are on drugs ALL including golf ,,all of us try to find the easiest way to be the best,,all of us,,BUT! the absolut worst thing is to lie,,liars do not go far,,,there is lie and then there is LIE,,,a liar like norton will pay the price one day,,he will,,he will need a kidny or something he will pay price dont worry and then as usualleveryone will come here and say PRAISE GOD PRAISE GH15 FOR HE IS GOD ,,youre like sheep my friends,,few of you know what they talk about ,,rest of the kids here have no clue and the worst are the ones who dont have a clue still use AND LIE about it ,,they are the ones who live in compete denialand they are the core of generation nothingness
read the bible i wrote for you during the years mabe you will wize up
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Wow. I feel sad for you and the world you live in...
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no one trains when off,,no one lift heavy weihts when off,,no one has the reason to do so when off
I have never been on...so, is my 445 x 5 at 41y/o not lifting heavy? Was my 565x1 about 10yrs ago (never being 'on') light?
the whooe purpose in bodybuilding is to impress people its a cult A CULT its not a sport per say and we do it to impress and to look uniqe and the best we can ,,,looking healthy is where fitness is
Wow...guess what....you actually said something worthwhile!!!!
bodybuilders are all on hormones no matter what lie they tell yo uto your face,,we are all on them,,most americano bodybuilders arer known to be liars MOST not all ,,but most americano bodybuilders live in fear ,,their girls wont date them if they admit to use,,they will be seen as cheaters in the eyes ofother americanos,,you need to tunderstand that in the american society the idea is ...first achieve something and if you have done so and made us happy and let us sit with our 10 pound burger and chilli dog and let us drink beer while seeing you win something in sports,,then you can admit to using and we will still love yuo ,,thats just how americanos are ,,its generational thing,,its just fucked up people now days,,but hey they are 300million so y uocant fight it ,,,what do you do ? you join it!
Blah Blah Blah...I never went on because I never wanted to...plain and simple. I always said, once I am done with bodybuilding MAYBE...just MAYBE I will do something. Will I compete...FUCK NO. You are a sad pathetic person who probably got owned so badly by someone NOT on drugs that your bitch ass jumped on them to "show them you are better". Did I get it right?
the absolut worst thing is to lie,,liars do not go far,,,there is lie and then there is LIE,,,a liar like norton will pay the price one day,,he will,,he will need a kidny or something he will pay price dont worry and then as usualleveryone will come here and say PRAISE GOD PRAISE GH15 FOR HE IS GOD ,,youre like sheep my friends,,few of you know what they talk about ,,rest of the kids here have no clue and the worst are the ones who dont have a clue still use AND LIE about it ,,they are the ones who live in compete denialand they are the core of generation nothingness
read the bible i wrote for you during the years mabe you will wize up
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HA HA HA....you are such a meat stick its not even funny!!!! Wow...you are failing MISERABLY as an internet gimmick now. "Look at me I am an IFBB pro who hides behind this screen name because I tell the truth and dont want anyone to know who I am....blah blah blah blah blah". Go hunt down a yeti, sasquach, or aliens your schmoe loving pin cushion fuck tard.
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no one trains when off,,no one lift heavy weihts when off,,no one has the reason to do so when off,,the whooe purpose in bodybuilding is to impress people its a cult A CULT its not a sport per say and we do it to impress and to look uniqe and the best we can ,,,looking healthy is where fitness is ,,bodybuilders are all on hormones no matter what lie they tell yo uto your face,,we are all on them,,most americano bodybuilders arer known to be liars MOST not all ,,but most americano bodybuilders live in fear ,,their girls wont date them if they admit to use,,they will be seen as cheaters in the eyes ofother americanos,,you need to tunderstand that in the american society the idea is ...first achieve something and if you have done so and made us happy and let us sit with our 10 pound burger and chilli dog and let us drink beer while seeing you win something in sports,,then you can admit to using and we will still love yuo ,,thats just how americanos are ,,its generational thing,,its just fucked up people now days,,but hey they are 300million so y uocant fight it ,,,what do you do ? you join it!
get it in yoru head kids ,,all athletes are on drugs ALL including golf ,,all of us try to find the easiest way to be the best,,all of us,,BUT! the absolut worst thing is to lie,,liars do not go far,,,there is lie and then there is LIE,,,a liar like norton will pay the price one day,,he will,,he will need a kidny or something he will pay price dont worry and then as usualleveryone will come here and say PRAISE GOD PRAISE GH15 FOR HE IS GOD ,,youre like sheep my friends,,few of you know what they talk about ,,rest of the kids here have no clue and the worst are the ones who dont have a clue still use AND LIE about it ,,they are the ones who live in compete denialand they are the core of generation nothingness
read the bible i wrote for you during the years mabe you will wize up
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So what is the beautiful man with glasses on to maintain his retirement 300lb with abs physique?
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I can believe that most high level athletes are on da sause, but golfers??? Why da fvck would they be on? We said ATHLETES, not toadies LOL
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Wow. I feel sad for you and the world you live in...
agreed. remember, it is convenient for a drug user to believe that everyone else are using.
its a common delusion of egocentric types who havent achieved anything through hard work alone.
anyone who does well without drugs MUST be a liar and MUST be a cheat.
I think gh15 has never studied genetics or been involved with any form of engineering- human in this case.
i too feel sorry for him- and those who actually listen to him..although i understand why.
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drug for life my friend,,first of lose the attitude ,,you are talkin here to the god of hormones i dont talk just to anyone ,,i choose who i talk to and usually they need to write me pm,,now ,,,you arre over 40 sittin on getbig bodybuildin board,,kknow everything there is to know abotu drugs AND in mosrt probability have used them,,
not to forget ,,gh15 is not someone yuo cal sell balonie to ,,im the reason fellas like you are big,,just the tone in your written words point to a very mad individual ,,im actually surprized some of my students her4e didnt wipe the floor with you yet which ofcourse they will do soon,,youre fighting a fight you can not win at aplace yuo can not be,,you my friend is a prime example of a goolible individual,,but! in reL LIFE you most likely like all of lifters who run to respond on bodybuildin messege board,,,HORMONIZED,,its not a matter of bein natural ,,its just that any one who is 40 simething and run to write on messege board that is bodybuilding related has been to hormones and not new to the game especially if amerikaka,,trust me my friend 1000s like yuo every day kiss asses right and left and left and right waiting on their precious gift to get t othem,,yuore fucked because you live in tmie you cant sell natural bodybuilding no more,,lies hold no more,,selling of products decrease because selling of hormones increase,,the new generation is generation nothingness and they like it all fast at the speed of light ,,they train hard but know whats what and know whats needed,,thats why the only companies survived are the ones who build their products aroudn protien ,,every one knows now days that natural means low doses and hormonized means any doses,,its just a matter of type of drug and dose to be decalared natural or hormonized
now youre dismissed,,you learned something even at 41! and take it easy i dont want you to get heart attack on me on fuken computer,,
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agreed. remember, it is convenient for a drug user to believe that everyone else are using.
its a common delusion of egocentric types who havent achieved anything through hard work alone.
anyone who does well without drugs MUST be a liar and MUST be a cheat.
I think gh15 has never studied genetics or been involved with any form of engineering- human in this case.
i too feel sorry for him- and those who actually listen to him..although i understand why.
Lets be realistic. If hard work and dedication was all it took then the bodybuilding scene would have seen an unimaginable difference from what it is now.
Lets not beat around the bush. A spade is a spade. Drug users look like freaks and the best naturals rival only the mediocre gym rats and mid-level drug users on a good day when all the planets in the solar system are in alignment.
You want to turn heads and look like a freak, get ready to pin some exogenous hormones and shut down your natural endocrine systems for a time that's parallel to what you're doing. If you want to look all right under flattering lights with a pump, superb MySpace angles and decades of training then abstain from drug use and keep the elitist attitude to yourselves. The druggies you so loathe are the last ones that want to hear the beta male musings of a bitch boy melting down.
Forget stats. What matters most is the physique you present, not your lifts, accomplishments or noble aspirations. Walk the walk and stay in the best health possible with respect to the dangers that PED use exposes you to. Pretty fucking simple. Common sense, really.
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just the way his insertion blow up,,look at hwo high the pecs start,,look at the swole and fulness of trap,,look at the water hels in the tie ins between arm and delt and overall body oiliness and glowing,,this right here is a hormonized lifter any tmie of year of season on season in between that guy cant lift his cock up to fuck with out hormones,,only thing is they are short esters
this is not only alifter who played with halodrol which is strong dfrug ,,its a lifter who is on constant use of hormones for years
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GH 15 is the voice of reason and sanity on these boards
people are naive or delusional to think Norton is lifetime nattie
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Lets be realistic. If hard work and dedication was all it took then the bodybuilding scene would have seen an unimaginable difference from what it is now.
Lets not beat around the bush. A spade is a spade. Drug users look like freaks and the best naturals rival only the mediocre gym rats and mid-level drug users on a good day when all the planets in the solar system are in alignment.
You want to turn heads and look like a freak, get ready to pin some exogenous hormones and shut down your natural endocrine systems for a time that's parallel to what you're doing. If you want to look all right under flattering lights with a pump, superb MySpace angles and decades of training then abstain from drug use and keep the elitist attitude to yourselves. The druggies you so loathe are the last ones that want to hear the beta male musings of a bitch boy melting down.
Forget stats. What matters most is the physique you present, not your lifts, accomplishments or noble aspirations. Walk the walk and stay in the best health possible with respect to the dangers that PED use exposes you to. Pretty fucking simple. Common sense, really.
first of all I do not loath drug users. Do you really think Layne Norton looks like a freak?
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first of all I do not loath drug users. Do you really think Layne Norton looks like a freak?
No he doent but thats not the point here.He looks like your average gear user.
TacoB pointed it out perfectly.
Gear users can spot other gear users this is lost on real natties.
GH15 Is spot on , certain compounds give a user a certain look and this is how he knows , he has been doing this along time.
No point arguing with him , he is right in what he says :)
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drug for life my friend,,first of lose the attitude ,,you are talkin here to the god of hormones i dont talk just to anyone ,,i choose who i talk to and usually they need to write me pm,,now ,,,you arre over 40 sittin on getbig bodybuildin board,,kknow everything there is to know abotu drugs AND in mosrt probability have used them,,
not to forget ,,gh15 is not someone yuo cal sell balonie to ,,im the reason fellas like you are big,,just the tone in your written words point to a very mad individual ,,im actually surprized some of my students her4e didnt wipe the floor with you yet which ofcourse they will do soon,,youre fighting a fight you can not win at aplace yuo can not be,,you my friend is a prime example of a goolible individual,,but! in reL LIFE you most likely like all of lifters who run to respond on bodybuildin messege board,,,HORMONIZED,,its not a matter of bein natural ,,its just that any one who is 40 simething and run to write on messege board that is bodybuilding related has been to hormones and not new to the game especially if amerikaka,,trust me my friend 1000s like yuo every day kiss asses right and left and left and right waiting on their precious gift to get t othem,,yuore fucked because you live in tmie you cant sell natural bodybuilding no more,,lies hold no more,,selling of products decrease because selling of hormones increase,,the new generation is generation nothingness and they like it all fast at the speed of light ,,they train hard but know whats what and know whats needed,,thats why the only companies survived are the ones who build their products aroudn protien ,,every one knows now days that natural means low doses and hormonized means any doses,,its just a matter of type of drug and dose to be decalared natural or hormonized
now youre dismissed,,you learned something even at 41! and take it easy i dont want you to get heart attack on me on fuken computer,,
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;D ;D ;D
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drug for life my friend,,first of lose the attitude ,,you are talkin here to the god of hormones i dont talk just to anyone ,,i choose who i talk to and usually they need to write me pm,,now ,,,you arre over 40 sittin on getbig bodybuildin board,,kknow everything there is to know abotu drugs AND in mosrt probability have used them,,
not to forget ,,gh15 is not someone yuo cal sell balonie to ,,im the reason fellas like you are big,,just the tone in your written words point to a very mad individual ,,im actually surprized some of my students her4e didnt wipe the floor with you yet which ofcourse they will do soon,,youre fighting a fight you can not win at aplace yuo can not be,,you my friend is a prime example of a goolible individual,,but! in reL LIFE you most likely like all of lifters who run to respond on bodybuildin messege board,,,HORMONIZED,,its not a matter of bein natural ,,its just that any one who is 40 simething and run to write on messege board that is bodybuilding related has been to hormones and not new to the game especially if amerikaka,,trust me my friend 1000s like yuo every day kiss asses right and left and left and right waiting on their precious gift to get t othem,,yuore fucked because you live in tmie you cant sell natural bodybuilding no more,,lies hold no more,,selling of products decrease because selling of hormones increase,,the new generation is generation nothingness and they like it all fast at the speed of light ,,they train hard but know whats what and know whats needed,,thats why the only companies survived are the ones who build their products aroudn protien ,,every one knows now days that natural means low doses and hormonized means any doses,,its just a matter of type of drug and dose to be decalared natural or hormonized
now youre dismissed,,you learned something even at 41! and take it easy i dont want you to get heart attack on me on fuken computer,,
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HA HA....GHG4P melllllltdooowwwwwnnnnn
Go suck a schmoe cock for your next couple of doses douche.....
P.S. Its even funnier that in some posts you're nearly spot on with spelling....yet with this one, you must be smashing your keyboard and trying TOO HARD to make spelling mistakes....HA HA HA. Go sell some of your posing trunks fag.
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Why do the naturals come in so different shapes and sizes? They all use different chemicals. :P
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first of all I do not loath drug users. Do you really think Layne Norton looks like a freak?
Nope, but I'll entertain your rhetoric. Will rehashed what gh15 said. Different drugs, different looks. Layne looks like he has a poor genetic response to drugs. It doesn't compliment his ugly physique unfortunately, but you can observe the tell-tale signs.
You know it too. You see guys like Layne all the time unless you train at home. The only difference is that they don't market themselves and make money. They do it for pussy, ego, aesthetics, sometimes to compete and some rare and humble bastards do it for the challenge or whatever. I do it for a little of each.
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Nope, but I'll entertain your rhetoric. Will rehashed what gh15 said. Different drugs, different looks. Layne looks like he has a poor genetic response to drugs. It doesn't compliment his ugly physique unfortunately, but you can observe the tell-tale signs.
You know it too. You see guys like Layne all the time unless you train at home. The only difference is that they don't market themselves and make money. They do it for pussy, ego, aesthetics, sometimes to compete and some rare and humble bastards do it for the challenge or whatever. I do it for a little of each.
I agree with what your saying however I do not think Layne exhibits these so called "telltale" signs.
Lets pretend he is on drugs... all I'm saying is - His physique is attainable naturally.
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I agree with what your saying however I do not think Layne exhibits these so called "telltale" signs.
Lets pretend he is on drugs... all I'm saying is - His physique is attainable naturally.
How does Layne make money with his physique? Does he have sponsors?
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I agree with what your saying however I do not think Layne exhibits these so called "telltale" signs.
Lets pretend he is on drugs... all I'm saying is - His physique is attainable naturally.
I hate when this gets repeated. The only way you can say this is if you have achieved the same kind of physique naturally (oh yeah, that includes all kind of strong anabolic substances). Not close, not somewhere around the same level but exactly the same kind of musculature with the same kind of definition.
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I agree with what your saying however I do not think Layne exhibits these so called "telltale" signs.
Lets pretend he is on drugs... all I'm saying is - His physique is attainable naturally.
We can agree to disagree on the last part. I think to be as lean as muscled you need drugs. To look better you don't though.
I'm really positive he uses and that's what bugs me. His dickhead attitude in the past wont be forgotten either. He's helpful and intelligent at times but often snaps at people. I don't think that's cool and writes off the positive things about him, IMO.
I'm a dick too, but I don't have a following. That's my scapegoat lol
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We can agree to disagree on the last part. I think to be as lean as muscled you need drugs. To look better you don't though.
I'm really positive he uses and that's what bugs me. His dickhead attitude in the past wont be forgotten either. He's helpful and intelligent at times but often snaps at people. I don't think that's cool and writes off the positive things about him, IMO.
I'm a dick too, but I don't have a following. That's my scapegoat lol
Hahaha, fair enough
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I hate when this gets repeated. The only way you can say this is if you have achieved the same kind of physique naturally (oh yeah, that includes all kind of strong anabolic substances). Not close, not somewhere around the same level but exactly the same kind of musculature with the same kind of definition.
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How does Layne make money with his physique? Does he have sponsors?
Yes, actually more than that he is involved in the development and marketing of sups for scivation, or at least he was for quite some time.
So, you have these big sup companies putting big juiced up guys on their ads, and then the reaction starts to become that those guys don't use those products they just look like that cause of juice.
Then you have a guy with a mediocre physique who has built himself 'naturally', but is indeed intelligent and a big contributor to the community offering 'real' products to help the natural user. Only the catch is that he's actually not natty, so instead of having built a good physique considering he's natty, it's actually just bs.
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Three months out:
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/CMM.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/abs.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/fdb.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/fls.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/lsc.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/rr.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/MM-1.jpg)
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Three months out:
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/CMM.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/abs.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/fdb.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/fls.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/lsc.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/rr.jpg)
(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/MM-1.jpg)
ALL DRUGS
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Are you guys just messing around here or do you actually think he is on drugs?
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ALL DRUGS
ALL DRUGS JEALOUSY BY BILLY
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I don't think Layne Norton is on drugs, but then again I don't know much about these tell-tale signs you guys keep bringing up here.
I don't have experience on steroid usage, but saying that Layne is not natural would be like saying almost every single top natural competitor out there is not since they all have the same or even better muscle/definition that Layne has.
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ALL DRUGS JEALOUSY BY BILLY
haha ,jealous of a liar? Layne has poor genetics but looks like an amatuer enhanced gear user ..jesus pull your head out the sand ffs ::)
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haha ,jealous of a liar? Layne has poor genetics but looks like an amatuer enhanced gear user ..jesus pull your head out the sand ffs ::)
QFT!
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haha ,jealous of a liar? Layne has poor genetics but looks like an amatuer enhanced gear user ..jesus pull your head out the sand ffs ::)
Hows the BP Billy? Make sure you take your Lopressor and Inderal....dont want you blowing a gasket.
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Hows the BP Billy? Make sure you take your Lopressor and Inderal....dont want you blowing a gasket.
BP ? No I actualy laugh at your stupidity so please keep posting ;D
Are you on these meds for high BP ? From gear use maybe ? :D
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haha ,jealous of a liar? Layne has poor genetics but looks like an amatuer enhanced gear user ..jesus pull your head out the sand ffs ::)
true..
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(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/fdb.jpg)
im gonna say it again,.........and i know people are gong to believe what they want (particularly these natty zealots who NEED to believe that hsi physique is naturally attainable)
and i know my opinion means dogshit............
this is not a "natural" competitor.............. .he has already qualified his ""natural status" in the past by saying he used "pro-hormones".....i.e. pro-"steroids" before
this is not the look of a guy who used a ton of gear, or long esters...............thi s is the physique of a guy who used suspension, some fast clearing orals, ect......
he is not carrying a ton of mass.............but he is carrying more mass then his genetics would allow.........because he simply does not have the genetics of a mesomorph.........he does nto have terrel owens genetics
people in entertainment lie all the time, if that is what is required to promote yourself as a product................t hink of the images these stars and athletes cultivate to make themselves marketable to the public to make money (there are too many to name that have been exposed)
just like these celebrities, on a smaller scale, layne norton is trying to brand himself, and make himself marketable withing the bodybuilding community..........he developed a niche by creating the PERSONA of the natural bodybuilding-super scientist intense disciplined guy...................th is persona is making him money, and gained him a good modicum of fame within the bounds of our sport
know this............layne norton could give a shit about natural status..........he just knows that he has endeared himself to the natural-zealot, celltech/nitrotech BB.com crew..........so he has to cultivate that image. obviously he cannot go on mega-doses and blow up to a shreaded 250 because there is a point when even the most guillable of idiots will start to question his natural legitimacy.......so he keeps it moderate..........keeps it somewhat believable (except to those who know what is what, people in the know know what he is up to with one glance)..........and keep capitalizing on the ignorance of gullible individuals.
remember truth means nothing, natural status means shit to layne norton.............perce ption is everything.............a nd its the perception he is benefiting from
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(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/fdb.jpg)
im gonna say it again,.........and i know people are gong to believe what they want (particularly these natty zealots who NEED to believe that hsi physique is naturally attainable)
and i know my opinion means dogshit............
this is not a "natural" competitor.............. .he has already qualified his ""natural status" in the past by saying he used "pro-hormones".....i.e. pro-"steroids" before
this is not the look of a guy who used a ton of gear, or long esters...............thi s is the physique of a guy who used suspension, some fast clearing orals, ect......
he is not carrying a ton of mass.............but he is carrying more mass then his genetics would allow.........because he simply does not have the genetics of a mesomorph.........he does nto have terrel owens genetics
people in entertainment lie all the time, if that is what is required to promote yourself as a product................t hink of the images these stars and athletes cultivate to make themselves marketable to the public to make money (there are too many to name that have been exposed)
just like these celebrities, on a smaller scale, layne norton is trying to brand himself, and make himself marketable withing the bodybuilding community..........he developed a niche by creating the PERSONA of the natural bodybuilding-super scientist intense disciplined guy...................th is persona is making him money, and gained him a good modicum of fame within the bounds of our sport
know this............layne norton could give a shit about natural status..........he just knows that he has endeared himself to the natural-zealot, celltech/nitrotech BB.com crew..........so he has to cultivate that image. obviously he cannot go on mega-doses and blow up to a shreaded 250 because there is a point when even the most guillable of idiots will start to question his natural legitimacy.......so he keeps it moderate..........keeps it somewhat believable (except to those who know what is what, people in the know know what he is up to with one glance)..........and keep capitalizing on the ignorance of gullible individuals.
remember truth means nothing, natural status means shit to layne norton.............perce ption is everything.............a nd its the perception he is benefiting from
this posting is worth gh15 5 years on the board of getbig,,made me very very proud,,now i feel i achieved my mission,,
gh15 proudly approved!
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BP ? No I actualy laugh at your stupidity so please keep posting ;D
Are you on these meds for high BP ? From gear use maybe ? :D
I am sure you would LOVE it if I was on gear....would give you something else to complain about instead of your lack of will power and genetics ;D
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I am sure you would LOVE it if I was on gear....would give you something else to complain about instead of your lack of will power and genetics ;D
I trained 12 years before touching vit S , Im just your average guy like Layne who wants to look a certain way and know 110 % for sure that extra hormones are needed to acheive that look along with hard training and lifestyle requirements.
The difference between Layne , yourself and I is I dont lie and am a realist ;)
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I trained 12 years before touching vit S , Im just your average guy like Layne who wants to look a certain way and know 110 % for sure that extra hormones are needed to acheive that look along with hard training and lifestyle requirements.
The difference between Layne , yourself and I is I dont lie and am a realist ;)
Just curious, what did you make it to weight/height bf % wise while natural compared to now?
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(http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee331/mazrim00/fdb.jpg)
im gonna say it again,.........and i know people are gong to believe what they want (particularly these natty zealots who NEED to believe that hsi physique is naturally attainable)
and i know my opinion means dogshit............
this is not a "natural" competitor.............. .he has already qualified his ""natural status" in the past by saying he used "pro-hormones".....i.e. pro-"steroids" before
this is not the look of a guy who used a ton of gear, or long esters...............thi s is the physique of a guy who used suspension, some fast clearing orals, ect......
he is not carrying a ton of mass.............but he is carrying more mass then his genetics would allow.........because he simply does not have the genetics of a mesomorph.........he does nto have terrel owens genetics
people in entertainment lie all the time, if that is what is required to promote yourself as a product................t hink of the images these stars and athletes cultivate to make themselves marketable to the public to make money (there are too many to name that have been exposed)
just like these celebrities, on a smaller scale, layne norton is trying to brand himself, and make himself marketable withing the bodybuilding community..........he developed a niche by creating the PERSONA of the natural bodybuilding-super scientist intense disciplined guy...................th is persona is making him money, and gained him a good modicum of fame within the bounds of our sport
know this............layne norton could give a shit about natural status..........he just knows that he has endeared himself to the natural-zealot, celltech/nitrotech BB.com crew..........so he has to cultivate that image. obviously he cannot go on mega-doses and blow up to a shreaded 250 because there is a point when even the most guillable of idiots will start to question his natural legitimacy.......so he keeps it moderate..........keeps it somewhat believable (except to those who know what is what, people in the know know what he is up to with one glance)..........and keep capitalizing on the ignorance of gullible individuals.
remember truth means nothing, natural status means shit to layne norton.............perce ption is everything.............a nd its the perception he is benefiting from
as far as i know he never said he used pro hormones. Never the less he does not look natural anymore.
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I trained 12 years before touching vit S , Im just your average guy like Layne who wants to look a certain way and know 110 % for sure that extra hormones are needed to acheive that look along with hard training and lifestyle requirements.
The difference between Layne , yourself and I is I dont lie and am a realist ;)
The difference? I dont lie about what I have or havent done. In fact, I am probably a minority in that I dont have a problem with "users". I also have frequently said that once I am done 100% with competing I will probably go to "the dark side". I have been training/competing for 20+ years. I have seen my share of questionables...and even those who say they are that I wouldnt have thought they were. I got accused of it, and thats ok. The funny thing is that people get so damn bent out of shape about Layne. Its funny to see.
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this posting is worth gh15 5 years on the board of getbig,,made me very very proud,,now i feel i achieved my mission,,
gh15 proudly approved!
im going to pat myself on the back on this one................let be honest HORMONEGOD15 dosnt hand out compliments too readily
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The difference? I dont lie about what I have or havent done. In fact, I am probably a minority in that I dont have a problem with "users". I also have frequently said that once I am done 100% with competing I will probably go to "the dark side". I have been training/competing for 20+ years. I have seen my share of questionables...and even those who say they are that I wouldnt have thought they were. I got accused of it, and thats ok. The funny thing is that people get so damn bent out of shape about Layne. Its funny to see.
What will you change your Screen Name to? ;D
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the same debate is so ongoing on this thread ad nauseum,one side says he's clean and looks good for it,the other side say's he's drugged and his structure sucks and he's a shitty responder,other than better legs and fuller lats on his fdb ,the guy has a good build.if he is 'on' then he should and better get better legs and fuller torso thickness.
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any nudes of laynes wife?
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What will you change your Screen Name to? ;D
Drugfree4now
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seems less and less believable every time i see new pics
didn't he post honeymoon pics within the last year where he looked like a totally normal guy?
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I've not read all 11 pages of this threat. Can someone give me the overall consensus of Layne's drug use? Are people finally realizing it or are they still in denial?
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If he is all drugs, he needs to get rid of his dealer cus he still sucks in my book
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What will you change your Screen Name to? ;D
UsedtobedrugfreeandnowIa mnotbutwilltelleveryonea roundmethatitsjustthenew poroteinpowderIamusing.