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Out-of-work job applicants told unemployed need not apply
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Chris Isidore, senior writer, On Wednesday June 16, 2010, 4:26 am EDT
The last thing someone who is unemployed needs to be told is that they shouldn't even apply for the limited number of job openings that are available. But some companies and recruiters are doing just that.
Employment experts say they believe companies are increasingly interested only in applicants who already have a job.
"I think it is more prevalent than it used to be," said Rich Thompson, vice president of learning and performance for Adecco Group North America, the world's largest staffing firm. "I don't have hard numbers, but three out of the last four conversations I've had about openings, this requirement was brought up."
Some job postings include restrictions such as "unemployed candidates will not be considered" or "must be currently employed." Those explicit limitations have occasionally been removed from listings when an employer or recruiter is questioned by the media though.
That's what happened with numerous listings for grocery store managers throughout the Southeast posted by a South Carolina recruiter, Latro Consulting.
After CNNMoney called seeking comments on the listings last week, the restriction against unemployed candidates being considered came down. Latro Consulting refused to comment when contacted.
Sony Ericsson, a global phone manufacturer that was hiring for a new Georgia facility, also removed a similar restriction after local reporters wrote about it. According to reports, a Sony Ericsson spokesperson said that a mistake had been made.
But even if companies don't spell out in a job listing that they won't consider someone who currently doesn't have a job, experts said that unemployed applicants are typically ruled out right off the bat.
"Most executive recruiters won't look at a candidate unless they have a job, even if they don't like to admit to it," said Lisa Chenofsky Singer, a human resources consultant from Millburn, NJ, specializing in media and publishing jobs.
She said when she proposes candidates for openings, the first question she is often asked by a recruiter is if they currently have a job. If the answer is no, she's typically told the unemployed candidate won't be interviewed.
"They think you must have been laid off for performance issues," she said, adding that this is a "myth" in a time of high unemployment.
It is not against the law for companies to exclude the unemployed when trying to fill positions, but Judy Conti, a lobbyist for the National Employment Law Project, said the practice is a bad one.
"Making that kind of automatic cut is senseless; you could be missing out on the best person of all," she said. "There are millions of people who are unemployed through no fault of their own. If an employer feels that the best qualified are the ones already working, they have no appreciation of the crisis we're in right now."
Conti added that firms that hire unemployed job seekers could also benefit from a recently-passed tax break that essentially exempts them from paying the 6.2% of the new hire's wages in Social Security taxes for the rest of this year.
Thompson said he also thinks ruling out the unemployed is a bad idea. But he said that part of the problem is that recruiters and human resource departments are being overwhelmed with applications for any job opening that is posted. So they're looking for any short-cuts to get the list of applicants to consider down to a more manageable size.
"It's a tough process to determine which unemployed applicants were laid off even though they brought value to their company and which ones had performance issues," he said. "I understand the notion. But there's the top x percent of unemployed candidates who are very viable and very valuable. You just have to do the work to find them."
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I wont hire people in my office unless they call at least three times and show up in person.
I had a girl two years ago bust my balls for a job for 2 months straight. She wore me down until I hired her and proved to be the best employee I have EVER had. Based on her performance here, she was able to get a great job some where else. i recommended her highly and was sad to see her go.
The bottom line is that many people are lazy fucking leeches and need to get off their lazy asses and knock on doors, start their own businesses, and man up.
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I wont hire people in my office unless they call at least three times and show up in person.
I had a girl two years ago bust my balls for a job for 2 months straight. She wore me down until I hired her and proved to be the best employee I have EVER had. Based on her performance here, she was able to get a great job some where else. i recommended her highly and was sad to see her go.
The bottom line is that many people are lazy fucking leeches and need to get off their lazy asses and knock on doors, start their own businesses, and man up.
Sounds more like you are EGO or POWER tripping 3. What was the point in giving the woman such a hard time in getting the job, when under your own admission she actually turned out to be the best employee you ever had? Your behavior could have caused her to seek employment elsewhere resulting in you potentially losing one of the best employees you could have ever had.... Something to think about.
So far as people being lazy or leeches or starting their own businesses etc...that is quite an attitude to have toward your FELLOW AMERICANS in a time when they are in such dire straits. I said to you before it is just a matter of time before YOU are one of those same people...
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Sounds more like you are EGO or POWER tripping 3. What was the point in giving the woman such a hard time in getting the job, when under your own admission she actually turned out to be the best employee you ever had? Your behavior could have caused her to seek employment elsewhere resulting in you potentially losing one of the best employees you could have ever had.... Something to think about.
So far as people being lazy or leeches or starting their own businesses etc...that is quite an attitude to have toward your FELLOW AMERICANS in a time when they are in such dire straits. I said to you before it is just a matter of time before YOU are one of those same people...
I have worked since im 12 y/o. I started by mixing cement and digging holes for a fence company till I was 18. i was the only white guy among all mexicans, guatamalens, puerto ricas, etc. So spare me the bs.
After school I was unemployed for a year and worked odd jobs catering, personal training, etc.
I had two shit jobs before going in my own business and know far more than you or most others what it takes to survive in a rough job market.
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I have worked since im 12 y/o. I started by mixing cement and digging holes for a fence company till I was 18. i was the only white guy among all mexicans, guatamalens, puerto ricas, etc. So spare me the bs.
After school I was unemployed for a year and worked odd jobs catering, personal training, etc.
I had two shit jobs before going in my own business and know far more than you or most others what it takes to survive in a rough job market.
Talk about BS
So you were working at 12...Hmmm...that gave little to no time for schooling huh? Did you attend one of those schools like my parents did where you have to walk uphill...BOTH WAYS!!! So far as your claim of Mexicans, Guatemalans...unless you just exited school, the Mexican influx into america to the point of effecting jobs is a recent phenomenon, Guatemalans are an even more recent phenomenon. Neither of these people work or worked in the construction trade as more than laborers and their were only aa few of them...Construction by the way was and still is almost wholly Italian so where are you going with these wild claims of having to work with Central Americans and Puerto Ricans in this competition type scenario is beyond me...You know I am not buying it...no need to lie 3.
So far as starting your own business....exactly when did you gain legal experience and from who/what firm? You certainly did not mention any legal firms or companies in your somewhat resume above. Unemployed for a year after school, worked odd jobs, catered, personal trainer, two more shit jobs before opening your own business...Where's the legal stuff/learning...no one just exits college and starts a legal firm or start giving legal advice or representing clients....NO ONE.
And like to hear it or not 3, lawyers live off of the hardships of others...If there are no hardships there is no need for lawyers. America adn the world is fast forwarding to a point where legal aid/representation/necessity will not be necessary. As businesses close, jobs continue to be lost...states and people no longer have the funds to support lawyers, you will be fast tracking it to some other career or unemployment. Just look at how many lawyer/legal firm commercials are on your TVs in the form of commercials. Never has such been. You know what is happening?..These firms have lost so much business that they are desperate for cases... so no longer are people going to them...THEY ARE NOW GOING TO THE PEOPLE...
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1. I worked on weekends, holidays, vacations, etc., for a fencing company and was the laborer. I loved it. I mixed cement, dug holes, put up chain link fences, gates, etc. I worked in horrible areas of bridgeport CT, as well as the richest areas of Greenwich CT from 12-18. I have been to homes that make the WH look like a tent.
2. I spent three years in small law firms doing general practice before going out on my own. I did wills, closings, land use, crim law, debt collection, dwi's, tickets, small claims cases, health care law, asset protection,e tc.
3. I went on my own since working for other people sucks.
4. People need to realize that no one is going to call them up for a job. Its tough out there and you need to get out there and huit the pavement old school to make things happen.