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In a game where guys run around and kick the ball, why is it a foul when the players feet get tangled and someone trips?
I mean, what exactly did the expect to happen? ???
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after 90 mins, score 0-0
you betcha
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Its called football, as in you kick the ball with your foot, not handegg like you americans play.
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soccer was cool and all at recess, but a grown man milling around for a hour and a half getting slide tackled and losing possession of the ball every minute or so?
also letting ball hit you in the head but not using your hands, thats epic smart right there
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Its called football, as in you kick the ball with your foot, not handegg like you americans play.
Handegg > soccer but that's besides the point.
But seriously, can u answer my question?
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Handegg rofl also known as standing still 99% of the time and moving for a full 5 secs per stint
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Handegg rofl also known as standing still 99% of the time and moving for a full 5 secs per stint
Beats running around for an hour n a half with nothing happening......
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see, the thing is soccer is a game played by fags and watched by fags
fags hate to fall down because they might chip a nail or get their outfit dirty
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see, the thing is soccer is a game played by fags and watched by fags
fags hate to fall down because they might chip a nail or get their outfit dirty
Hahaha. See I can't say I hate soccer that much because I can be entertained by most athletic stuff, but the hype and obsession surrounding it are unfathomably overblown
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In a game where guys run around and kick the ball, why is it a foul when the players feet get tangled and someone trips?
I mean, what exactly did the expect to happen? ???
Thats not always the case...but it just depends, if you dont get the ball its a foul. Simple, you can't break up play because you feel like it, you have to legitimately take the ball, if you take the man well you might as well just play rugby or American handegg.
Different countries have different tolerances for this, spain they fall over at the slightest touch, in England its far more physical.
having said that the game is being ruined by the diving and cheating that seems to be creeping in more and more, some of the red and yellow cards that are issued nowadays are really pathetic. They need to make it more physical again, trouble is there's so much money involved in the sport now,and the Eurofag players have played in england for so long now that I cant see it going back to the way it was. Its simply too expensive to have your superstar player being hacked at all day and for him not to be playing...personally i blame that fucking fag Sepp Blatter for ruining the sport, because of him its turned into this diving sport where cheating is allowed almost 24/7
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can't explain it but soccer is one of the best sports in the world the people who don't like it are plain ignorant.
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Soccer fucking sucks balls.
Like someone else said......running around for and hour and a half an nothing happens. its a rare sight just to see one player actually pass the ball to another and it wasnt an accident
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Soccer fucking sucks balls.
Like someone else said......running around for and hour and a half an nothing happens. its a rare sight just to see one player actually pass the ball to another and it wasnt an accident
thats a fucking retarded statement, they pass it all the damn time...
americans seems to be jelous that everyone loves football except them..
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having said that the game is being ruined by the diving and cheating that seems to be creeping in more and more, some of the red and yellow cards that are issued nowadays are really pathetic. They need to make it more physical again,
agreed. Something needs to change.
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thats a fucking retarded statement, they pass it all the damn time...
americans seems to be jelous that everyone loves football except them..
how are we jealous of a sport we hate? We just don't like soccer, period end of sentence. Were not jealous, we have real football which is entertaining. Soccer is like watching paint dry.
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how are we jealous of a sport we hate? We just don't like soccer, period end of sentence. Were not jealous, we have real football which is entertaining. Soccer is like watching paint dry.
you're obviously jelous because you just cant accept that you dont like it but has to make up a bunch of lies lol.
you dont have to like it ofc. but americans apparently cant just leave it at that Because of something...
And its football.
(http://ketchums.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/handegg.jpg)
a few billion people vs usa's 350? a few billion is more right..
but ofc not to ignorant americanos haha.
The ignorance is whats keeping america down these days. And judges by the forums I post on change is Not around the corner lol.
"Sicko" if a great example of the daily raping you take by your government all while smiling and complaining about other countries lol.
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you're obviously jelous because you just cant accept that you dont like it but has to make up a bunch of lies lol.
you dont have to like it ofc. but americans apparently cant just leave it at that Because of something...
And its football.
(http://ketchums.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/handegg.jpg)
a few billion people vs usa's 350? a few billion is more right..
but ofc not to ignorant americanos haha.
The ignorance is whats keeping america down these days. And judges by the forums I post on change is Not around the corner lol.
"Sicko" if a great example of the daily raping you take by your government all while smiling and complaining about other countries lol.
The saddest part is that the USA doesn't give two shits about soccer and our team is still better than the trash team Sweden produces. How are you guys doing in the World Cup? Didn't even qualify, you say? USA rank = 14, Sweden = 37. And the only European team that hasn't looked terrible at this WC is the Netherlands. Ha.
It'd be scary to see how good the USA would be at soccer if our best athletes weren't busy playing better sports.
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The saddest part is that the USA doesn't give two shits about soccer and our team is still better than the trash team Sweden produces. How are you guys doing in the World Cup? Didn't even qualify, you say? USA rank = 14, Sweden = 37. Ha.
It'd be scary to see how good the USA would be at soccer if our best athletes weren't busy playing better sports.
americans doesnt give a shit about football yet you know who qualified and not? lol!!
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Its called football, as in you kick the ball with your foot, not handegg like you americans play.
handegg--lolol Im so using that term
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americans doesnt give a shit about football yet you know who qualified and not? lol!!
I didn't say I didn't like soccer. I've actually been watching the WC quite a bit. Do I like it more than American football? Nope. Have a lot of the games been boring? Yes.
That said, Swedes eat, sleep and breathe soccer and still fucking suck at it. Congratulations.
Netherlands = only Euro team that even looks good right now. :-X
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I didn't say I didn't like soccer. I've actually been watching the WC quite a bit. Do I like it more than American football? Nope.
That said, Swedes eat, sleep and breathe soccer and still fucking suck at it. Congratulations.
this year we sucked yes, no denying that, But we have had some amazing players and america hasn't ofc..
We cant seem to pull it togheter as a team when it counts which is sad
but no, every swede doesn't eat sleep and breathe football lol.
as a kid im sure almost everyone has played it for at least a little while though
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this year we sucked yes, no denying that, But we have had some amazing players and america hasn't ofc..
We cant seem to pull it togheter as a team when it counts which is sad
but no, every swede doesn't eat sleep and breathe football lol.
Haha. USA rank = 14. Sweden = 37! You guys aren't just bad, you're AWFUL. Our fifth-tier athletes are better than your 1st-tier.
The USA will be sure to say hi from the quarter-finals. Best team in their group. 8)
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Haha. USA rank = 14. Sweden = 37! You guys aren't just bad, you're AWFUL.
The USA will be sure to say hi from the quarter-finals. Best team in their group. 8)
how many times have sweden made it wo the world cup compared to america? =)
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how many times have sweden made it wo the world cup compared to america? =)
I'm looking at your history now. Since 1958, you've managed to get third in 1994 and do nothing else remotely impressive. Quite a few "did not qualify" and round 1 exits. Pretty terrible for a country that actually considers soccer to be a relevant sport. :)
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I'm looking at your history now. Since 1958, you've managed to get third in 1994 and do nothing else remotely impressive. Quite a few "did not qualify" and round 1 exits. Pretty terrible for a country that actually considers soccer to be a relevant sport. :)
you didnt answer my question...
then again, I have yet Another ignorant american on my hands lol.
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you didnt answer my question...
Who cares? Do you think I honestly care about what Sweden, or the USA for that matter, did decades ago? Let me clear that up for you. I don't. All that matters is right now, and right now Sweden is a God awful soccer team.
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Who cares? Do you think I honestly care about what Sweden, or the USA for that matter, did decades ago? Let me clear that up for you. I don't.
you apparently care more then me haha
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you apparently care more then me haha
I cared enough to laugh at the fact that you're talking shit about USA soccer when your own country's team is horrendous and couldn't even qualify for this WC. :-*
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I cared enough to laugh at the fact that you're talking shit about USA soccer when your own country's team is horrendous and couldn't even qualify for this WC. :-*
lol @ americans calling it soccer haha.
so fucking stupid without realising it lol.
and where exactly did I talk shit about usa's "soccer?" dumbass ..another american making stuff up, WOW what a shocker haha.
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lol @ americans calling it soccer haha.
so fucking stupid without realising it lol.
and where exactly did I talk shit about usa's "soccer?" dumbass
Why would I call it football when it's an inferior game to our football?
I can't even imagine the shame of a soccer country being ranked 23 spots behind a country that doesn't even care about the sport. Why even bother playing? :-\
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Why would I call it football when it's an inferior game to our football?
I can't even imagine the shame of a soccer country being ranked 23 spots behind a country that doesn't even care about the sport. Why even bother playing? :-\
As you claimed and as Im asking, where did I talk shit about american "soccer?" ??? ::)
why would you claim something you cannot prove? is that how americans work?
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I apologize, you were talking shit about Americans in general. ::)
USA rank = 14.
Sweden = 37.
Hahahahaha. It's amazing that you're even talking shit.
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I apologize, you were talking shit about Americans in general. ::)
USA rank = 14.
Sweden = 37.
Hahahahaha. It's amazing that you're even talking shit.
our team as a TEAM sucks now yes, ...but we have been ranked at the Second best team in the world.
we have been in the wc FINAL against brazil though, whats the biggest acomplishment in american soccer?
buying beckham? hahahaha
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FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
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FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
I'm done actually. I realized I just wasted 20 minutes arguing about soccer of all things. ;D
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FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
against the no faced gimmick lol
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I wonder if we should turn this into a healthcare discussion lol. ;D
Just watched sicko the other day again. Pathetic.
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Lol. The reason we call it Soccer and dont give a shit what the rest of the world calls it is simple... We are arrogant, because we can be.
Quite frankly, the US dictates more and has more pull in the world than anyone else. Who gives a fuck if 9/10's of the world calls it Football, we dont, and we dont care. Soccer is a godawfully boring game. Period.
Yes. Im being the stereotypical hard headed American. Quite frankly it sounds like youre jealous that we can just not give a fuck and talk shit about your game and truely not give 2 shits. Like Berzerk Fury said, all our 5th class athletes (if that) go into soccer, if we gave a shit about it, we'd dominate it like we do the majority of shit we seriously compete in. Thats just the way it is.
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We are arrogant, because we can be.
yes, you guys did a great job in single handedly ruining the worlds economy,
I have to say your goverment is probably the best in the world in brainwashing people though!
and its hillarious how you think Football is so damn boring when "american football" has to be one of the most boring things to watch lol. run 5 sec rest 30 run 5 sec rest 30 over and over and over again.... I was bored to sleep by the fucking Superbowl final
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yes, you guys did a great job in single handedly ruining the worlds economy
Blame our fucking corrupt government and our greedy fucking banks. >:(
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Blame our fucking corrupt government and our greedy fucking banks. >:(
you guys should have made some big ass riots a long fucking time ago, just based on your export/helathcare comparision
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It's funny how the soccer fans think if they say it's a great game enough times countries with REAL sports will finally agree.
Soccer sucks, it always has and always will. If it was a decent game in any way, shape or form it would be popular in America. No country loves REAL sports more than America. Soccer isn't a great game and it never will be. The rest of the world can kick their little ball around for 90 minutes, or if you live in a typical soccer loving third world country you can kick your can around.
America will stick to REAL sports.
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you guys should have made some big ass riots a long fucking time ago, just based on your export/helathcare comparision
I wont argue with that. Personally I feel like its time for a revolution, the government is running all over us again and the American Public is just sheep being played against one another, the media is using the party system to basically turn the public against one another and they just do whatever they want in the background. See "coach", the Right cant do any wrong, so hell back anything they do... and the left has the same blind fucks, so basically if the two parties work together they can get whatever they want done.. lol.. and people go along with it. :-\
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It's funny how the soccer fans think if they say it's a great game enough times countries with REAL sports will finally agree.
Soccer sucks, it always has and always will. If it was a decent game in any way, shape or form it would be popular in America. No country loves REAL sports more than America. Soccer isn't a great game and it never will be. The rest of the world can kick their little ball around for 90 minutes, or if you live in a typical soccer loving third world country you can kick your can around.
America will stick to REAL sports.
That no one else plays ;D...face it bro in thirty years football will be the biggest sport in the USA
you gave the world shitty hollywood films with happy endings...you get football back. Just the way it rolls buddy
cheers.
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or if you live in a typical soccer loving third world country you can kick your can around.
you know the best leagues are in Western Europe right??
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In America, the most common "people" playing soccer are usually busted ass mexicans at the park scaring little kids, so when the average American hears "soccer" they immediately conjure images of mexicans running in circles with their shirts off and thier fat bellies flopping in the wind screaming "LAla lalala lalalalaaaaaaaaaaaa" at each other.
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In America, the most common "people" playing soccer are usually busted ass mexicans at the park scaring little kids, so when the average American hears "soccer" they immediately conjure images of mexicans running in circles with their shirts off and thier fat bellies flopping in the wind screaming "LAla lalala lalalalaaaaaaaaaaaa" at each other.
ahahahahahahhahahahahah
SO TRUE....
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yes, you guys did a great job in single handedly ruining the worlds economy,
I said it before, if the rest of the world wasn't attached to our nutsack, we couldn't ruin their economy, but since the rest of the world cups our balls while they blow us, we have the power.
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No offence chaos but I love it when people say "us" "our" "we" etc about stuff like this. As if you had a part in the US becoming a superpower ;D ;D. Getbigs own Henry Ford? ;)
"We" pay "our" taxes that affords "our" government the power to rape "yours".
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"We" pay "our" taxes that affords "our" government the power to rape "yours".
hahahaa. the only thing that your government is raping is YOUR asses haha. On a daily fucking basis.
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hahahaa. the only thing that your government is raping is YOUR asses haha. On a daily fucking basis.
One minute you're whining about how they fucked the worlds economy, now you're saying the only thing they are raping is us..........make up your mind.
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One minute you're whining about how they fucked the worlds economy, now you're saying the only thing they are raping is us..........make up your mind.
thats was a shot against the whole healthcare ordeal
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Haha ;D, brother I live in Norway.... this is where I pay my taxes ;) ;) ;) ;)
hhahahaha poor ol' americanos
soon chaos will slip, break his pinky finger and be in debt for the rest of his life even with full health insurance ;D
and wtf are you doing up this late xer?
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Haha ;D, brother I live in Norway.... this is where I pay my taxes ;) ;) ;) ;)
hhahahaha poor ol' americanos
soon chaos will slip, break his pinky finger and be in debt for the rest of his life even with full health insurance ;D
and wtf are you doing up this late xer?
Yes, I can see why millions of people from all over the world are scrambling to move to your countries every year. ::)
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I am in Thailand... time is about 9 AM, I can't sleep, too much beer... I love getbig and I admit I'm a nerd so I hang here even on vacation (when I'm at the hotel)
its 3:40 here and I have no idea what Im still doing up lol
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Man I've got nothing but love for the US. Don't get me wrong... all I'm sayin is leave the beautiful game alone :D
Its not beautiful tho man! Its dull and boring! Where the hell do they get "The beautiful game"? From the sluts on the sidelines? If so I wholehearedley agree. If theyre talking about the game, hell no, most boring 90 minutes ever.
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Newsflash: All sports are boring to watch. The exception being oiled men in thongs doing battle on stage during the posedown.
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I'm a immigrant euro douche. :D
You're honest about it, Swede is in denial.
I blame it on his short stature.
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That is your opinion though... I could watch this guy play forever and ever...
People like different things, our culture is different thats just the way it is. I, like Swede, was bored to death with the superbowl, but then again I'm a immigrant euro douche. :D
I guess man... I tried to watch that, and had to stop at 34.. all it showed was a man kicking a ball while others chased him. Yeah, Im sure it takes skill, but its about as much fun to watch as paint drying. ???
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Football is great fun to play because it is so simple.
You can play it almost anywhere.
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I'm only 5'8 though :D
Oh well... at least we have men in thongs in common ??? ;D (wtf lol)
This is truth. Men in thongs = Sport of kings.
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and after all this arguing,
the score still is 0-0
pathetic
just like soccer
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(http://peach.rlsl.org/files/2008/07/america-sees-world.jpg)
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Speaking of the American image in Europe, I'm an American guy living here in Europe, and a few years back my Irish friends and I had some problems with da POlice here in poland, basically being drunk and disorderly. Well after they let us go, and we were about 200 yards from them, my two Irish friends turned to face them and they shouted, "Ireland! IRA!" And the cops just stood there with blank looks in their eyes, and then I shouted, "USA!!!" and you could see that the cops were clearly irate and highly aggitated when they heard "USA" LOL
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Feel free to ignore soccer.
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Soccer would be better with a few tweaks.
Like letting the players pick up the ball with their hands to advance it more effectively......and instead of trying to kick it to each other, maybe throw it and catch it.....rather than looking like an incompetent asshole running around in circles chasing a ball.
That would be a pretty good sport, we have something like that here in the states
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Don't forget that golfers are better ATHLETES! LOL
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Soccer would be better with a few tweaks.
Like letting the players pick up the ball with their hands to advance it more effectively......and instead of trying to kick it to each other, maybe throw it and catch it.....rather than looking like an incompetent asshole running around in circles chasing a ball.
That would be a pretty good sport, we have something like that here in the states
Soccer needs video assisted refs, otherwise its good.
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You americans should only watch highlights, you don't have the patience for a full 90minutes :D ;D ;).
seriously...one of the best adverts to ever come out in England...sums it up beautifully
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You americans should only watch highlights, you don't have the patience for a full 90minutes :D ;D ;).
Agreed.
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i dont need to be watching sports that test my patience....i got plenty of other things in my life for that
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Everyone's going apeshit right now on ESPN due to a 1-1 draw ???
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Soccer would be better with a few tweaks.
Like letting the players pick up the ball with their hands to advance it more effectively......and instead of trying to kick it to each other, maybe throw it and catch it.....rather than looking like an incompetent asshole running around in circles chasing a ball.
That would be a pretty good sport, we have something like that here in the states
;D
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i dont need to be watching sports that test my patience....i got plenty of other things in my life for that
X10000000
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Does handegg not test the patience more?
Is it not like 3 hours long a game?
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LMAO at swede and his USA hate
hey swede seeing as the USA basically created the world economy why dont you thank us before you shit on us? ::) ::) ::)
yea sicko that movie doesnt have an agenda, I bet you watch loose change and take that as reality too... ::) ::) ::)
if youre so worried about the past you should probably still be kissing our asses seeing as if we didnt come to the rescue all of europe right now would be speaking german... ::) ::) ::)
as for soccer, its a cool enough sport it can be rather boring though and lets be honest the players are really nothing more than long distance runners with better eye/foot coordination.
american football has the breaks b/c its much more physical, you get your clock cleaned by a 280lb linebacker youre going to need a couple seconds to get ready for the next play. Thats like saying MMA sucks b/c they have rounds, ppl need time to rest up when youre actually being physical.
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11k posts and I havent seen single one lol
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11k posts and I havent seen single one lol
LMAO been a member almost as long as you have, I dont frequent the G&O that often anymore since squad got outted and that dumb ass falcon took over it went down hill fast. Ive been checking in more and more now though since I dont have to sift through as much shit these days...
been around mostly on the politics board these days ;)
you should come post over there, its clear you have a real grasp of economics ::)
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Tonymctones owning Soccer, Swede and Europe in one effective post.
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'Futball' in America suffers greatly because of the American media. The American media doesn't push soccer because the format is inconveinent to their marketing policies. 45 minutes of commercial free entertainment distracts from the narrative that Americans must be sold or have their attention diverted every 3-5 minutes.
The American populace must be constantly disctracted from their meaningless materialistic lives by the constant selling of "new" and "better" things you must stay in debt to buy.
Debt = Slavery
Events that could cause Americans to look outside of their narrow world view or perhaps engage others cultures in the world are deemed dangerous to American interests by the elites here. If the American public (the only force in the world that can change American foriegn policy) began to meet and engage other peoples there is a chance that a sympthatic "world view" might take hold. That change in perspective from the "greatest country under god on earth" mantra continously drummed into Joe Sixpack's head would spell the end of the currently unbalanced and ecologically unsound American policies as they relate to the world.
That's all it is boys.
There is no enemy anywhere - Lao Tse
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the truth is americans supposedly dont appreciate soccer because they suck at it, plain and simple. If you want to bash soccer, then first drop that fake ass wrestling gay shit (this retarded crap is one of the low points of american culture imo).
Soccer > male soap operas - any time, any day
Sure thing Eddie. ::)
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Go USA!
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the truth is americans supposedly dont appreciate soccer because they suck at it, plain and simple. If you want to bash soccer, then first drop that fake ass wrestling gay shit (this retarded crap is one of the low points of american culture imo).
Soccer > male soap operas - any time, any day
and btw, when it comes to real fights, brazil kicks ass too, brazilians are the founding fathers of vale-tudo and the UFC.
Haha.
If you knew anything about America, its that less than 1% of our athletes play soccer. From youth, its baseball, basketball, and football, the only people that play soccer are young mexicans.
Why cant the rest of the world get it through there head... We dont like soccer. We dont play soccer. We dont watch Soccer.
If we gave a shit about Soccer, wed dominate it just like we do most other things we seriously compete in.
Why cant you guys wrap your head around this?
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Seriously.....Imagine if all of the running backs, safeties, wide recievers and DBs in the NFL played Soccer their whole life instead of Football.
They would annihilate everyone, it would be comical.
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nice post, too bad it doesnt have anything to do with what I wrote.
and yea, hit it baby one more time: soccer > homoerotic fake wrestling
How do you figure? You said we dont appreciate cause we suck, and thats false, plain and simple. We dont appreciate it, because we dont like it, so we dont play it. If we gave a shit wed be top 3 in the world, just like everything else. So your statement is just retarded.
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and you also suck at it. And the whole point is that is retared to bash soccer when you things like WWE/WWF on air getting huge audiences.
Your statement is still retarded. Our top tier athletes choose not to play soccer. No one here cares, and we dont want to. If we cared, wed dominate, and but we dont. Of course with our 8th tier athletes playing soccer we suck. Obviously you cant wrap your head around what Im trying to say.
Bottom line = We dont care. We dont appreciate it because we dont care. We suck because we dont care, our athletes choose to play FUN sports, that involve more than kicking a ball. I know you cant comprehend someone just not giving a shit about something you hold so dear, but try to get over it. We dont care.
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You suck at the most popular sport because you dont care about soccer, nice. Now go and watch your WWF son ;D
I see you still cant comprehend that just because its popular to the rest of the world, no one here cares.\
Is it really that hard for you too believe that soccer here is quite literally the lowest sport on the totem pole, lower than fucking GOLF. Seriously. Golf is more popular in the states than Soccer. What do you think of that?
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goddamn, I already said you dont care about soccer, cant you freaking read right? Why do americans get so sensitive when the subject is soccer (something they suck so much) by the way??
Oh I get it, youre just trolling for attention. I still think youre pumpster, that fat weird piece of shit. lol.
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Oh I get it, youre just trolling for attention. I still think youre pumpster, that fat weird piece of shit. lol.
Be nice to Eddie, he's foreign.
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Be nice to Eddie, he's foreign.
;D
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yea, I am trolling for attention, I am the one who created this thread bashing soccer and saying that if we cared about it we would be #1 at it. /sarcasm
And you are right, I am pumpster. Do you know why I am a fat sob? Becaue I dont care being muscular. If I cared, I would be FLEX material. But since bbing brings shitty pays to the table, I prefer using my time with more productive things, like watching Andre the Giand and Hulkmania getting it on with eatch other and posting on Get Big. ROFL.
Actually I am the one who created this thread and it really wasn't to bash soccer....however everything shockwave has said is pretty dead on.
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Soccer is a fine sport but so are baseball and basketball and American football. I think non-Americans just like to fluff soccer's taint because the US is not among the best in the world at it and it's one of their few chances to "stick it" to Mighty America.
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5 pages in and soccer is still gay
carry on
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Soccer is about skill, their atlethicz dont mean that much. It's easy to say "if this and that" and thats typical of the US to say that they would dominate every thing in the world no matter what... but whatever.. you wont dominate soccer in a 1000 years. Please qoute me when im a 100 yo and see if I'm wrong. It's ok, you don't like soccer, and we dont like "american football", basketball, baseball, hockey etc. I wont smacktalk them for no reason tho because I can understand why people like it, but you guys just keep hating and talk bs for no reason..whatever
your best player is tim howard or landon donavan man... they are 3rd/4th tier pros
no hate, from a drunk x
Heres the thing.. they are 3rd and 4th tier pros here too.
See here, soccer is such a smalltime thing, that the guys with all the talent (for soccer) would never know it because all the people any modicum of althetic ability here play basketball, football and baseball. I know its hard for you to understand, but its not like people who fail at soccer, go to football, or something else, quite literally hardly anyone here plays soccer or tries to succeed in soccer, its that unimportant to our society. So you would never know how good we could be, because all the possible stars play other sports, which are far more important to athletes here. Soccer is quite literally the low man on the totem pole in America, Soccer is the sport athletes play when they fail at everything else here. Unless theyre mexican.
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Soccer is about skill, their atlethicz dont mean that much. It's easy to say "if this and that" and thats typical of the US to say that they would dominate every thing in the world no matter what... but whatever.. you wont dominate soccer in a 1000 years. Please qoute me when im a 100 yo and see if I'm wrong. It's ok, you don't like soccer, and we dont like "american football", basketball, baseball, hockey etc. I wont smacktalk them for no reason tho because I can understand why people like it, but you guys just keep hating and talk bs for no reason..whatever
your best player is tim howard or landon donavan man... they are 3rd/4th tier pros
no hate, from a drunk x
its typical xerxes b/c its typical that the US does dominate in most things they take seriously, sorry bro its the way it is whether you like it or not.
youre just proving his point...our 8th tier pros are 3rd or 4th tier pros in your country...
if our star atheletes competed in soccer we would more than likely be a top contender...
your top tier soccer atheletes are 2nd or 3rd tier at best compared to our top tier basketball and football atheletes just the way it is plain and simple.
I dont mind soccer it can be boring, they should take out 2 or 3 men from each side and produce more scoring...I like how the fans get into it more than anything I think it would be a blast to go to a game in europe.
its not that we hate soccer I think its that we hate the format, look at hockey it has a very similar format and its not very popular here in the states either.
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If the US was one of the best in soccer they would love it and be all in our faces. 100% truth.
I agree but to be honest we still wouldnt care about it, we would just be shoving it in your faces b/c you shove that shit in ours ::)(not you specifically, the rest of the world)
and as soon as the US started sucking we would go right back to not caring....
like others have said we just dont give a shit about soccer in this country
the Houston Dynamo practice and play at my old college the were league champs like 2 or 3 years in a row. I remember seeing these guys roll up to practice and nobody gave two shits about them or who they were.
the Houston Texans which is an american football team here has preseason practice and you have to get tickets to be able to get in to watch these guys practice...thats the difference, we just dont give a shit about soccer.
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Heres the thing.. they are 3rd and 4th tier pros here too.
See here, soccer is such a smalltime thing, that the guys with all the talent (for soccer) would never know it because all the people any modicum of althetic ability here play basketball, football and baseball. I know its hard for you to understand, but its not like people who fail at soccer, go to football, or something else, quite literally hardly anyone here plays soccer or tries to succeed in soccer, its that unimportant to our society. So you would never know how good we could be, because all the possible stars play other sports, which are far more important to athletes here. Soccer is quite literally the low man on the totem pole in America, Soccer is the sport athletes play when they fail at everything else here. Unless theyre mexican.
You still dont get it do you? If it was about your 'top' level athletes and sheer numbers then why dont russia or china or turkey win time after time? Plenty of people to choose from lots of top level athletes. The usa would be good but if you think you'd dominate your just being stupid...if you think that if LT and TO and thousands of other young african americans played football from year zero that youd turn up and boss brazil or argentina or the dutch (10million people and always good) then you lot are as big a joke as your nation's average waist size. Wont happen, you'll be good, but thats all there is to it. Its a genuinely competitive game on the world stage not the 100m dash.
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You still dont get it do you? If it was about your 'top' level athletes and sheer numbers then why dont russia or china or turkey win time after time? Plenty of people to choose from lots of top level athletes. The usa would be good but if you think you'd dominate your just being stupid...if you think that if LT and TO and thousands of other young african americans played football from year zero that youd turn up and boss brazil or argentina or the dutch (10million people and always good) then you lot are as big a joke as your nation's average waist size. Wont happen, you'll be good, but thats all there is to it. Its a genuinely competitive game on the world stage not the 100m dash.
Top 5 Easily. Just like every other sport we take seriously. Like it or not man, thats just the way the US rolls. :-\
I know you guys want to say that and make yourselves feel special, but just look at history. That is what happens when we get serious. Period, end of story.
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Top 5 Easily. Just like every other sport we take seriously. Like it or not man, thats just the way the US rolls. :-\
I know you guys want to say that and make yourselves feel special, but just look at history. That is what happens when we get serious. Period, end of story.
Not saying you wouldnt be...you probably would. But you wouldnt turn up and win time after time...it doesnt happen for brazil and it wont happen for you.
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Top 5 Easily. Just like every other sport we take seriously. Like it or not man, thats just the way the US rolls. :-\
I know you guys want to say that and make yourselves feel special, but just look at history. That is what happens when we get serious. Period, end of story.
Haha. So true. With the way Europe is playing right now, I'd even argue that the USA is one of the top 5 teams playing in this WC. It'd be scary to see what it'd be like if 99% of this country actually gave a shit about soccer beyond the 1 month of WC games every 4 years.
Europeans are so wrapped up in American's view of soccer. Time to get over the fact that we don't care for it.
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How does a team that's ranked 14th in the world and just tied England suck at soccer? LOL. Jesus, our fifth-tier athletes just tied a team with a multi-millionaire at every position. Talk about embarrassing. And given that England is one of the five best teams in Europe, I'd say that our soccer hating country is more than capable of holding up against you losers who eat, sleep and even kill over soccer. :-X
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IF IF IF, this IF thing just show how american are sore losers when it comes to soccer.
Take MMA for example. The country with the biggerst number of fighters and pratictioners is BY far the USA. Now lets take a look at current #1 in each of the sports category:
HW: Fedor (Russia)
LHW: Mauricio Rua (Brazil)
MW: Anderson Silva (Brazil)
WW: GSP (Canada)
LW: that guy who beat BJ Penn (I assime he is from the US)
Top three 4p4 fighters: Fedor, Silva, GSP
Now please explain me, captain america, how is that possible that America cares so much about MMA and only have one fighter ranked #1 in all categories (and LW is so twinkish it shouldnt even count).
Again, whats the deal with admiting that the US sucks at soccer period? No need to be so sensitive about that. Maybe you should do something like Rambo after the vietnam war ended. Make a movie with the US winning the interplanetary soccer cup or something, ROFL
MMA is not a team sport retard.
And of course we suck at soccer, thats what happens when you get the rejects of every other sport and send them against the rest of the worlds premier athletes. ;D
And epic being a complete and total retard with Rambo. Rambo was about a vet that came home and had nothing to do with Vietnam. Sounds like someone should cease talking and go kill himself. lol.
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Were discussing team sports and you try and use MMA as a way of proving your point. Moron.
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You are so awesome at basketball, "football" aka handegg, hockey and baseball guys.[irony] If the rest of the world gave a shit about it you would still win every single time. [/ironi]
I hope to "god" some of you can see my point in this. The world minus US doesn't give a shit about ur sports thats why we suck at it, and the other way around for soccer. Do you think americans have a special magic gene for dominating in sports? ??? ::)
Meh.... I wanna stop this before people here start hating me XD :D
Ask South America and Asia about how much they hate basketball and baseball. Fucking retard. ::)
How does a team that's ranked 14th in the world and just tied England suck at soccer? LOL. Jesus, our fifth-tier athletes just tied a team with a multi-millionaire at every position. Talk about embarrassing. And given that England is one of the five best teams in Europe, I'd say that our soccer hating country is more than capable of holding up against you losers who eat, sleep and even kill over soccer. :-X
Bump for the gimmick that's melting down ignoring this. 8)
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Exactly what? One only has to look at the Summer Olympics to realize that America does, in-fact, dominate at sports. The only country that was even in our league in 2008 was China, and that's even with China stealing children from their families at 3 to eat, sleep and train a single sport. The only European countries worth a shit in that regard are England and Germany. The rest of you are not remotely important.
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a tackle in soccer.
a tackle in football.
get trucked eurofags.
(im still watching fifa wc, though)
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You don't SUCK in soccer, you are OK. You have 310 million citizens and the worlds best training facilities, it would be a disgrace if you weren't at least decent. Which you are. Donovan, Howard, Dempsey are good and useful players..
Best training facilities? As if Europe's are worse? Please. How much is Manchester United and Real Madrid worth? Like $2 billion each or something?
It's sad that America can hang with Europe in soccer. You people are so soccer obsessed that many have even gone so far as to kill over it. You should destroy us. The fact that you don't speaks wonders for how talented your athletes are. ::)
And for that matter, the fact that South America is leagues better than 99% of Europe really shows how "talented" you guys are. I guess all the money in the world can't buy skill. :-X
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IF IF IF, this IF thing just show how american are sore losers when it comes to soccer.
Take MMA for example. The country with the biggerst number of fighters and pratictioners is BY far the USA. Now lets take a look at current #1 in each of the sports category:
HW: Fedor (Russia)
LHW: Mauricio Rua (Brazil)
MW: Anderson Silva (Brazil)
WW: GSP (Canada)
LW: that guy who beat BJ Penn (I assime he is from the US)
Top three 4p4 fighters: Fedor, Silva, GSP
Now please explain me, captain america, how is that possible that America cares so much about MMA and only have one fighter ranked #1 in all categories (and LW is so twinkish it shouldnt even count).
Again, whats the deal with admiting that the US sucks at soccer period? No need to be so sensitive about that. Maybe you should do something like Rambo after the vietnam war ended. Make a movie with the US winning the interplanetary soccer cup or something, ROFL
LMFAO FIRST OFF the USA doesnt give a rats ass about MMA, its a fuking fad and an annoying one at that...
when did I ever say the US didnt suck as soccer? we do
but again our top tier atheleted make your top tier atheletes look like high schoolers...so what do you think would happen if they stopped playing the sports we care about and started playing soccer?
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mma and voleyball
LOL
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You are so awesome at basketball, "football" aka handegg, hockey and baseball guys.[irony] If the rest of the world gave a shit about it you would still win every single time. [/ironi]
I hope to "god" some of you can see my point in this. The world minus US doesn't give a shit about ur sports thats why we suck at it, and the other way around for soccer. Do you think americans have a special magic gene for dominating in sports? ??? ::)
Meh.... I wanna stop this before people here start hating me XD :D
LMAO ok lets do this put your top soccer atheletes up and lets compare to the top US atheletes of basketball and football...
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a tackle in soccer.
a tackle in football.
get trucked eurofags.
(im still watching fifa wc, though)
Hahaha, you should have seen the Brazil game today. Kaka lightly tapped some manly man on the chest with his elbow and the guy flailed around on the ground acting like he got punched in the mouth. Even got Kaka (or is it PooPoo) red carded. Talk about a bunch of emasculated pussies.
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OH and btw, I was being nice when I said they were 3/4th tier pros.
LMAO youre just making the point stronger our soccer pros can compete with your soccer pros and they are the bottom of the barrell athletics wise in the US...
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I see the thread is now entering the "fuck the facts" territory.
What facts, you stupid fuck? MMA has been huge in Brazil and Asia for MUCH longer than the USA. And for that matter, K-1 has been worldwide for over a decade now. Your MMA argument is incredibly stupid.
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Hahaha, you should have seen the Brazil game today. Kaka lightly tapped some manly man on the chest with his elbow and the guy flailed around on the ground acting like he got punched in the mouth. Even got Kaka (or is it PooPoo) red carded. Talk about a bunch of emasculated pussies.
Yea ive seen a lot of acting. its bad.
at least the announcers call them on it though.
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I see the thread is now entering the "fuck the facts" territory.
LMAO just b/c you see UFC fights and tap out idiots running around doesnt mean ppl care enough about it to try and compete...
ufc fighters make what?
this was the total fighter pay roll for the bill with rampage and lidell $920,500 now that was split over all the fighters that fought that night....
football players make $250,000 just to be on the team, stars make 10+ million a year...yea we care a whole lot about the UFC ::)
dont let the facts get in the way you numb nut fuck ;)
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BezerkFury I see you are getting very emotional on this subject. Whatever man... You say America can hang with Europe in soccer, they cant. And will not in a 1000 years.
You say south american leagues are better than european leagues, this statement is stupid, dumb and every other synonym for this meaning. I see no point in discussing this with you when obviously know NOTHING about soccer (thinking club and national football are the same do you?) bwahaha.
Oh and go ahead and compare your best athletes to ours in different sports, as if that means ANYTHING. Comparing different sports to eachother and whos the best ::). [irony]Yeah Federer is better than Jordan and Fedor is better than Pele, awesome.. Bolt is better than Phelps.. this makes a lot of sense [/irony]
Emotional? No. I've actually been enjoying this WC. However, I know enough to acknowledge the fact that the USA's fifth-tier athletes are currently hanging with the best that Europe has to offer. :D
And where did I say South American leagues were better? You're ranting and raving about having the USA having the best of everything and yet Europe is being out-classed by almost every South American team at this tournament. So much for your larger populations and access to the best of everything. ::)
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BezerkFury I see you are getting very emotional on this subject. Whatever man... You say America can hang with Europe in soccer, they cant. And will not in a 1000 years.
You say south american leagues are better than european leagues, this statement is stupid, dumb and every other synonym for this meaning. I see no point in discussing this with you when obviously know NOTHING about soccer (thinking club and national football are the same do you?) bwahaha.
Oh and go ahead and compare your best athletes to ours in different sports, as if that means ANYTHING. Comparing different sports to eachother and whos the best ::). [irony]Yeah Federer is better than Jordan and Fedor is better than Pele, awesome.. Bolt is better than Phelps.. this makes a lot of sense [/irony]
we wont compare sports, we will compare athletics but I understand if you dont want to, I wouldnt want to compare your soccer players to our basketball and football players...
and to answer your question of whether or not we have a special atheletics gene, there was a race that was bred and engineered specifically for being strong, fast and agile...slavery led to a race of ppl that do have a propensity toward athleticism...sorry to burst your bubble xerxes... ;) (no racist)
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mans game.
(http://i.imgur.com/hGOzG.gif)
peek-a-boo!
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2eyzacw.jpg)
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mans game.
(http://i.imgur.com/hGOzG.gif)
peek-a-boo!
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2eyzacw.jpg)
Hahah, that first one was priceless today. Soccer players are the biggest pussies in professional sports.
Meanwhile, a NHL player had 6 teeth knocked out by a puck in the playoffs and managed to come back to the game 10 minutes later after he had his exposed roots covered up.
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Yeah thats why big strong and fast Nigerians/Ivory Coast etc players are dominating (they're not). Why is Jamaica is destroying everyone in track (culture not genes, thats why the other african countries arent)? Soccer ain't about atlethicism it is about SKILL. Athleticism plays a part in speed and strength but those factors aren't THAT important in playin soccer... Oh and don't let us start to mention steroids in american pro sports.. that would be embarrasing, I mean, it's gotta be genetic breeding right...no way its something else.. :-\
how many of those countries had systematic engineering of athletic factors like we had in the US? dont embarass yourself bro
LOL bro soccer has alot to do with athleticism as well cutting, sprinting, coordinating your moves thats all athletics. Now im not saying your players arent athletic they just arent as athletic as the top tier players of our sport, again put up your best or most athletic soccer player and Ill show you someone who makes him look like a prepubescent boy in terms of athletics.
LMAO are a number of our pro atheletes on steroids/ sure, most arent though...are there soccer players who use steroids of course there are...to think otherwise is ignorant ;)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/mar/31/football.sport
also in italy
"drugs scandals that have plagued football in Italy, where top players such as Lazio's ex-Manchester United defender Jaap Stam and Edgar Davids of Juventus have tested positive for nandrolone, a banned steroid."
but again dont let facts get in the way guys ::)
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Noot to mention our shitty athletes leave for other countries to compete, and other countries athletes come here to succeed.
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Oh and just because you drew a lucky as FUCK 1-1 against England (they are awful as a team, great as individual players for their teams) don't mean you can hang.. it just means you're OK. I suppose Switzerland are better than Spain then.... ???
Last I heard soccer was a game played as a team doesnt mean shit how much talent each individual has if you cant put it together as a team.
The Houston Texans are one of the most talented football teams in the US but theyve never made the playoffs so guess what doesnt mean shit... ;)
supposedly we are number 14 in the world are we not? i honestly dont know but again for a team with what you would consider worse than 3rd or 4th tier atheletes and what would would consider 8th tier or worse atheletes being 14 in the world ;)
again what do you think would happen if our top teir atheletes started playing soccer ;)
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Last I heard soccer was a game played as a team doesnt mean shit how much talent each individual has if you cant put it together as a team.
The Houston Texans are one of the most talented football teams in the US but theyve never made the playoffs so guess what doesnt mean shit... ;)
supposedly we are number 14 in the world are we not? i honestly dont know but again for a team with what you would consider worse than 3rd or 4th tier atheletes and what would would consider 8th tier or worse atheletes being 14 in the world ;)
again what do you think would happen if our top teir atheletes started playing soccer ;)
14th in the world and we suck. Quite a few Eurotrash countries (Xerxes's Sweden included) well below us in the rankings. 14th in a sport that no one here gives a shit about. Hahaha.
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::)
You're grasping at straws fool.
Athletes are doing drugs everywhere, not just U.S
Moron ::)
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Barry Bonds
Marvin Bernard
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Tony Saunders
Miguel Tejada
Lenny Dykstra
Dave Hollins
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Brian Roberts
Jay Gibbons
Gary Matthews Jr.
Darren Holmes
Rick Ankiel
Troy Glaus
Scott Schoeneweis
Matt Williams
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Magglio Ordonez
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Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
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Matt Lawton
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Guillermo Mota
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Greg Zaunn
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Merker
Adam Piatt
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/pain/articles/2009/02/20/1-in-10-ex-nfl-players--used--steroids-poll-reports.html (http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/pain/articles/2009/02/20/1-in-10-ex-nfl-players--used--steroids-poll-reports.html)
LMAO and soccer players dont do steroids? ::)
go ahead xerxes put up your most athletic/skilled soccer player and well show you an athelete that makes him look like middle schooler...we can compare them to golfers as well as golf is a skill sport ;)
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100% honest opinion that if americans loved soccer and your best "athletes" played soccer, that you'd top 5-10 consistantly in the world and MAYBE win a WC or two in 50 years time. Not nr 1 like you all like to think.
Norway not Sweden. If you were a soccer fan you'd know that qualifying for the WC is way different for america and europe. You might be 14 on the fifa ranking or whatever but every soccer fan knows that the fifa ranking is garbage. FFS Norway was nr 7 once, in 06 Iran was 16 on par with Portugal. I could mention more examples just by checking the rankings but im not bothered.
I love how you convienently leave out the USs 310million citizens vs Norways 4 million or Swedens 8. :-\
Excuses, excuses. What does 310 million matter when most of the country doesn't play nor care about soccer?
USA will probably end this WC in the top 15, making us one of the best teams in the world at a sport that no one here cares about. Ha ha ha.
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Im done with this guys, every one of you are like "we will destroy everyone in everything if we want to!!!" - sounds to me like ignorant stupid bullshit. I don't need to discuss my favourite sport with people who obviously have no understanding or appreciation for it.
Don't get mad, my Norwegian chum. Enjoy the WC while raging over the fact that the inferior Norwegian team is stuck at home while the USA is playing for all the marbles.
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100% honest opinion that if americans loved soccer and your best "athletes" played soccer, that you'd top 5-10 consistantly in the world and MAYBE win a WC or two in 50 years time. Not nr 1 like you all like to think.
I never said we would be number one all the time but we would be consistantly at the top ;)
I love how you convienently leave out the USs 310million citizens vs Norways 4 million or Swedens 8. :-\
I love how you convienently leave out that the US doesnt care about soccer and we are still world competitors, we may suck and get our asses beat but for a sport that gets the atheletes left over from other sports that seems pretty good considering they are competing against the rest of the worlds best atheletes...
bro why do you think we are always in the medal count race in the olympics? we as in the US do produce better quality atheletes in general than the rest of the world...maybe its b/c we put alot of emphasis on it maybe its b/c we have ppl in this country whos ancestors were bred to be that way either way it is the way it is...
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Im done with this guys, every one of you are like "we will destroy everyone in everything if we want to!!!" - sounds to me like ignorant stupid bullshit. I don't need to discuss my favourite sport with people who obviously have no understanding or appreciation for it.
LOL bro we are consistantly at the top of generally every sport we apply ourselves to, facts are facts deal with it...
Im not saying we would destroy everyone in soccer but fact is we would be consistently at the top...you think you can say the same thing about american football, baseball, basketball if your country or any other european country decided to get serious about those sports? LMFAO
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USA are ranked 14th.
The FIFA rankings are flawed as in they take account of teams that they play and use that as a basis for calculating their ranking. E.g USA play in N.America and Centeral American FIFA federation. They are playing much smaller teams etc hence their high rankings.
Football is like pretty much everything. A poor team CAN beat a good team, even a great team.
However, on average the good teams will beat the poor teams more often than not.
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Brother mexicans are 31 million in the US, thats 5-6 times Norway already! They love soccer, the us is packed with foreigners who love soccer. You are a melting pot remember.
actually I think there are way more than that in the US and thats just the legal ones we know about :P
doesnt mean anything, how many of those mexicans do you see playing on our world cup team? LMAO not many...
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USA are ranked 14th.
The FIFA rankings are flawed as in they take account of teams that they play and use that as a basis for calculating their ranking. E.g USA play in N.America and Centeral American FIFA federation. They are playing much smaller teams etc hence their high rankings.
Football is like pretty much everything. A poor team CAN beat a good team, even a great team.
However, on average the good teams will beat the poor teams more often than not.
they need to do away with a couple of ppl per side and produce more scoring, seriously 90 mins to see a facking tie...really??? or even a one or two score game??? come on now
Like I said I dont have anything against soccer I actually like the aspect of not stopping and I would love to go to a soccer game in europe and see all they crazy fans but to think that they are as athletic as the football or basketball players in america is ignorant...I understand its a different sport but still the athleticism of soccer isnt that impresive to be honest.
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Ok if this is your opinion then OK I will agree. The US could easily be a consistent quarter/semi finalist nation if they gave a shit, I was thinking that you think you would be the absolute best, thats not right.. But when it comes down to 11 players then its no longer about who has the most people, genetics, drugs, training.. Its about what 11 players are the best, and some nations like Holland are blessed with the best even with 16m ppl.
Oh and about the olympics I have no counter argument, the olympics are all about speed, strength, agility, (just like american football) thats why genetics (black americans) (no racist) have so much to say.
Hope you understand my opinion now.... cannot believe Im using my time discussing this while on vacation :D
yesh yesh go drink and get some strange, if im ever in europe id be down to catch a soccer game
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Football is not so much about individual athleticism. I am not disputing that a NFL guy or NBA dude are not more athletic.
Football is different. relient more on skill, fitness, teamwork, technique, vision etc
I find that the first game or 2 in teh group stages of the WC are a bit slow as everyone is anxious to qualify etc. It does always get much better in teh later rounds with teh cream eventually rising to teh top.
I find NFL very boring to watch with its stop start mentality however I can appreciate how many people really enjoy it etc. Football (as I am sure NFL is) is much harder than it looks. I dount many onm her could kick a football 50 yards in a straight line.
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A lot comes down to culture also.
USA culture is Baseball, NBA, NFL, wrestling and Track and field.
From an early age kids are encouraged and enabled to do so. The rest of teh world does not have the facilities/infastructure.
Ireland is tiny. However we win a boxing medal every olympics because it is in our culture to box.
Perhaps if the option was there 30 years ago then more people would be playing football in USA xerses. I have no doubt that in 30 years though football will be a major US sport. Not teh Top 2 but certrainly major!
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Football is not so much about individual athleticism. I am not disputing that a NFL guy or NBA dude are not more athletic.
Football is different. relient more on skill, fitness, teamwork, technique, vision etc
I find that the first game or 2 in teh group stages of the WC are a bit slow as everyone is anxious to qualify etc. It does always get much better in teh later rounds with teh cream eventually rising to teh top.
I find NFL very boring to watch with its stop start mentality however I can appreciate how many people really enjoy it etc. Football (as I am sure NFL is) is much harder than it looks. I dount many onm her could kick a football 50 yards in a straight line.
american football may seem like just a brute strength contest but that is so far from the truth its insane. American football is very relient on skill, fitness, teamwork and vision.
how much skill, fitness and vision do you think it takes to fight off a defender while tracking a ball and then make a one handed catch from almost 50 yards away? Never the less being able to hit a person with a football running at a full sprint that runs 40 yds in around 4 secs while trying to avoid 300 lb men trying to tackle you.
there is a ton of teamwork in the NFL watch some of the runs in this video and tell me that all the blocking isnt teamwork. Anytime you have a successfull pass or run you can be sure that alot of teamwork went into it, the ppl have to know who to block, whether or not the block and the let them go to engage someone else downt he field...whether or not the running back should block or go out for a pass.
Like I said I know on the surface American football doesnt look like it takes a lot of skill but thats just not paying attention. Everything from the linemen knowing their blocking assignments to a running back giving a stiff arm or a juke uses teamwork and skill
I leave you with one of the leagues best wide receivers and some of his best catches from last year...this man is a true athelete
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american football may seem like just a brute strength contest but that is so far from the truth its insane. American football is very relient on skill, fitness, teamwork and vision.
how much skill, fitness and vision do you think it takes to fight off a defender while tracking a ball and then make a one handed catch from almost 50 yards away? Never the less being able to hit a person with a football running at a full sprint that runs 40 yds in around 4 secs while trying to avoid 300 lb men trying to tackle you.
there is a ton of teamwork in the NFL watch some of the runs in this video and tell me that all the blocking isnt teamwork. Anytime you have a successfull pass or run you can be sure that alot of teamwork went into it, the ppl have to know who to block, whether or not the block and the let them go to engage someone else downt he field...whether or not the running back should block or go out for a pass.
Like I said I know on the surface American football doesnt look like it takes a lot of skill but thats just not paying attention. Everything from the linemen knowing their blocking assignments to a running back giving a stiff arm or a juke uses teamwork and skill
I leave you with one of the leagues best wide receivers and some of his best catches from last year...this man is a true athelete
Sooo true. Perhaps football is just too complicated for the rest of the world to understand? I mean is there another sport where the number 1 draft pick has no intention nor may never even touch the ball?
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Appreciate thought out post man.
Skimmed through teh vids also. I do appreciate the athleticism etc but NFL IMO requires more athleticsm as more is allowed. Ie more tackling, harder tackling, throwing, kicking, blocking etc.
Bear in mind in football there is only kicking and heading the ball allowed. The constraints limit the outcome and possibilities etc.
Personally i don't need a 12-15 scoreline to be entertained and if you played I am sure you could understand why. The most enjoyable game I ever played was in my final year at school with about 400 people watching. 0-0 draw. Went to penalties. Went right through to teh goalkeepers taking the penalty. I saved the penultimate penalty, and scored teh winning penalty ;D
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The next world sports event, replacing soccer and football
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Sooo true. Perhaps football is just too complicated for the rest of the world to understand? I mean is there another sport where the number 1 draft pick has no intention nor may never even touch the ball?
LMAO I think the Texans have done that twice but Im very happy with both of them...
it really is complicated, the amount of team work involved in running plays alone between the offensive line and running back is simply amazing...
I can see that on the surface with someone who never watches it how it could look like just a bunch of guys running into each other but its so far from that its not even funny...every play is a set design of teamwork, skill, vision and fitness on both sides of the ball...
how much vision does it take to read a qb and intercept a ball?
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LMAO I think the Texans have done that twice but Im very happy with both of them...
it really is complicated, the amount of team work involved in running plays alone between the offensive line and running back is simply amazing...
I can see that on the surface with someone who never watches it how it could look like just a bunch of guys running into each other but its so far from that its not even funny...every play is a set design of teamwork, skill, vision and fitness on both sides of the ball...
how much vision does it take to read a qb and intercept a ball?
Exact same could be said for each sport. We are just ignorant of each others.
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Appreciate thought out post man.
Skimmed through teh vids also. I do appreciate the athleticism etc but NFL IMO requires more athleticsm as more is allowed. Ie more tackling, harder tackling, throwing, kicking, blocking etc.
Bear in mind in football there is only kicking and heading the ball allowed. The constraints limit the outcome and possibilities etc.
Personally i don't need a 12-15 scoreline to be entertained and if you played I am sure you could understand why. The most enjoyable game I ever played was in my final year at school with about 400 people watching. 0-0 draw. Went to penalties. Went right through to teh goalkeepers taking the penalty. I saved the penultimate penalty, and scored teh winning penalty ;D
I agree and I think a game with that much scoring would be pretty boring actually but something like 3 or 5 goals per team a game would be nice...like you said Im sure that as the world cup goes on the games will get more exciting maybe the teams now are playing a little more conservatively b/c they are just trying to not lose instead of must win.
I just cant watch a game that ends in a tie, I feel like I got robbed of my time...why even watch it if the outcome is the same as the beginning? :-X
id still like to go watch a soccer match in real life and join in with all you crazy fuks drinking and shit...
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Ireland are not in this years WC,
Instead Ireland are supporting anyone but France and anyone but England lol
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Exact same could be said for each sport. We are just ignorant of each others.
I agree I feel that soccer is a very skilled game that takes alot of teamwork and quick thinking...
and although I dont pick up on most of the things some of them are obvious...LOL I watched the US vs. England game and it was obvious england was better than the US to me b/c when england passed the ball they passed it to their teammate but when the US passed the ball they kicked it and the teamate had to run to the ball...
Im pretty sure there are set plays in soccer as well but like you said im just ignorant about them and probably see them without realizing im seeing them.
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This years winner of the English premier League were Chelsea.
This year they scored more than 7 goals 3 times in a game. Countless games they score 4 or 5 goals in also.
Yea man its just ignorance and lack of exposure to each others sport. I actually find that watching NFL on tv it moves so fast and I am not familiar with the rules that I do not know where the ball is at times as everyone is running different directions lol
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tony I gotta say that I agree there is a lot of skill, teamwork etc in US sports as well, but think about it this way:
Are you big and strong/ agile? Then yes you might become a Drogba (one in a gazillion) but,
Many of the best with technique and vision etc are never gonna have a chance in pro american football, whereas in soccer being small can be an advantage for technique/center of gravity/quick feet.. being big can be better for headers, duels etc.. its a sport for everyone, but american football is only for big dudes..
not true, many players are around or less than 200lbs...the cornerbacks, wide recievers and even some running backs are probably about the same size of soccer players...
are there big guys in the NFL of course its a physical sport but its also a sport where agility is highly prized in certain positions and there is a trade off between size and agility...
the guy in the middle video i posted in the purple doing all the running is only 6'1" 210ish...and he is a decent sized running back...
Darren Sproles is one of the better running backs in the NFL and he is only 5"6" 185ish
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=8544
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I doubt there i even one football player in the premier league who is even 200lbs
Some of these guys run 12k in a game
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LOL this dude is freaking awesome this is the 5'6" in college
watch the first couple runs he is just amazing
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This years winner of the English premier League were Chelsea.
This year they scored more than 7 goals 3 times in a game. Countless games they score 4 or 5 goals in also.
Yea man its just ignorance and lack of exposure to each others sport. I actually find that watching NFL on tv it moves so fast and I am not familiar with the rules that I do not know where the ball is at times as everyone is running different directions lol
LOL i do the same thing with hockey I cant keep up with that shit I lose track of the puck and it turns into just a bunch of dudes skating around running into one another.
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I doubt there i even one football player in the premier league who is even 200lbs
Some of these guys run 12k in a game
i believe that there are plenty of sub 200lb football players they just play certain positions...like I said its a physical sport so of course the guys are going to be a bit bigger but in certain positions agility and skill are very important so wide recievers, cornerbacks, safties etc...are often time under 200lbs...
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LOL this dude is freaking awesome this is the 5'6" in college
watch the first couple runs he is just amazing
He even looks tiny lol
Reminds me of maradona - agile and nimble and can turn on a sixpence.
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He even looks tiny lol
Reminds me of maradona - agile and nimble and can turn on a sixpence.
LOL he does man, alot of times when he runs the ball you will lose him for a sec or two as he runs through the line he gets lost behind all the big linemen... ;D
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I didn't mean to say ONLY big dudes... sorry.. Im just sayin its a majority and it's better to be big..you say 6'1 210lbs but that is actually big for a soccer player
To name a norwegian example Ursus who is over 200lbs
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/22/article-0-02BE123600000578-354_468x544.jpg)
LOL John Carew is 6'7
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I didn't mean to say ONLY big dudes... sorry.. Im just sayin its a majority and it's better to be big..you say 6'1 210lbs but that is actually big for a soccer player
To name a norwegian example Ursus who is over 200lbs
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/22/article-0-02BE123600000578-354_468x544.jpg)
it just depends on the position, in soccer it looks like each player generally can do the same as each other physically speaking not skill wise...but in american football each position has its own set of physical requirements some require you to be a 300lb man some require you to be able to run 40yds in 4 secs and be able to stop on a dime.
the average wide receiver(the guys who catch the balls) is supposedly from 5'11" to 6'4" and between 185 and 225 or so...
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That Darren dude was sick, cool to see a small dude cut it in a big mans sport.. of course the only way its possible is with extreme speed... not like in soccer where a small dude like Scholes can be one this generations best midfielders and be small and slow.. (or am I wrong and prejudiced?)
LOL yea I love watching that guy play, there a lot of little guys that do well in the nfl
cortland finnigan is a pro bowler(allstar)
wes welker who was in a video posted by 2nd is a small dude
alot of slot receivers(the guys who line up in between the linemen and the receiver that is on the side lines) are smaller dudes.
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Hmm ok cool to learn new stuff ;), maybe that is one of the reasons US prefers your 4 sports because US culture has alot of "bigger is better"?
For example in soccer last year, the worlds top 5 players included Messi @ 5'6-7", Xavi @ 5'7" and Iniesta @ 5'7".. Would that be possible in american football?
hmmm iono about that alot of ppl do have that mentality though, I think it would probably have more to do with the US being a very physically violent and competitive society. We dont generally shun physical violence in fact we often welcome it in our sports.
I think we like american football so much b/c it is so physical and brutal, nothing like seeing a dude get the shit knocked out of him with a clean legal hit ;D at least for me...
I dont think that its b/c we have a bigger is better mentality in terms of physical characteristics even though we do but b/c we have that in terms of sports and american football has bigger and better displays of athletic prowess than most other sports and that in turn feeds the cycle leading to bigger and better football players and so on and so forth...
they say that the average linemen these days is like 50lbs heavier than like 20 yrs ago or so
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Hmm ok cool to learn new stuff ;), maybe that is one of the reasons US prefers your 4 sports because US culture has alot of "bigger is better"?
For example in soccer last year, the worlds top 5 players included Messi @ 5'6-7", Xavi @ 5'7" and Iniesta @ 5'7".. Would that be possible in american football?
No. Sproles is an anomaly. You don't stand much chance of making it in the NFL if you're under 6' these days.
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No. Sproles is an anomaly. You don't stand much chance of making it in the NFL if you're under 6' these days.
agree especially that sproles is an anomaly but there are a number of players out there that are sub 6'
but youre right you dont stand much of a chance if youre not
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agree especially that sproles is an anomaly but there are a number of players out there that are sub 6'
but youre right you dont stand much of a chance if youre not
Yeah, you're right. It's definitely doable but much easier in terms of scouting if you're over 6'.
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Today, a player on Ivory Coast bumped into the best player on Brazil (Kaka), immediately falls to the ground in faux agony clutching his face. Kaka gets a yellow card (his 2nd of the game), is sent off, and now can't play in the next game. This is ridiculous. The call should be reviewed and the suspention rescinded, and the Ivory Coast player should be punished for being a giant diving fag. But this doesn't happen in soccer and it is accepted as being "part of the game" for some reason.
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Lol this thread is such a joke. The idea is americans would kick ass at itt if they cared. Yet they fail to realize what makes them good at the big three is simply demographics. In either basketball football or baseball, only 1 in 1000 people have got the genetics to even play it. Baseketball is about height, football and baseball about power speed and size. In soccer demographics dont matter 1-in 10 people have got the genetics to be in the world cup. Being good a soccer comes down to culture, team work, skill etc. American falsely believe that there is some cultural greatness they have that no other nation will ever achieve, when the only thing you really have is a large population. Americans are the zapp brannigan of sports you think just by sending waves upon waves of kids into the sport you will get a winner, when in fact that only works in industrial sports where height weight or brute roid strength matter.
But again this all comes down to culture. Americans love games of trivial number like a pitchers speed, or a linebackers weight. Because culturally speaking they dont really play the sports they watch, instead rely on minorities to do so.
In soccer most of the people watching the sport play the sport. I can play a game with the best soccer player in the world and learn something, while if I played against the best of the big three id learn im just to short or small.
As far the lack of contact in soccer that has to do with the knees. In soccer everything is dependant on the knee. The top players would simply get there knees destroyed by lesser players if they werent protected by the reff. If american culture is to childish to accept this, good look dominating the sport when you all of a sudden care. ......Dont get me wrong anything above the knee in my mind should be fair game but protect the knees. By the way the knees are the reason Soccer players are geared to the hilt, roid would mean just more tendon damage, and more weight to carry.
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Hey X, are you supporting Denmark? They are the only scando team in the tourny, and they is doing fine, and may even make it to da next round :)
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I laugh at the pathetic argument that soccer isnt about atheticsm, and superior US athletes would not dominate.
If the top flight athletes that play football played soccer, they would change the way the game is played. They would just blow by, go around, or jump over the supposed "stars" of the game now, they would be no match for a team loaded with strong, lightning quick players that run 4.3 40's.
Just look at american Basketball. in the 40's and 50's it was a game of teamwork, passing and skill shooting the ball. Then the superior black athletes were allowed to play and they completely changed the landscape of the sport forever with their amazing athletic ability. its not even the same game anymore......its played at a much higher level of athleticism, the "Stars" of those teams in the 50's couldn't play college ball now.
Same thing would happen in Soccer.
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I laugh at the pathetic argument that soccer isnt about atheticsm, and superior US athletes would not dominate.
If the top flight athletes that play football played soccer, they would change the way the game is played. They would just blow by, go around, or jump over the supposed "stars" of the game now, they would be no match for a team loaded with strong, lightning quick players that run 4.3 40's.
Just look at american Basketball. in the 40's and 50's it was a game of teamwork, passing and skill shooting the ball. Then the superior black athletes were allowed to play and they completely changed the landscape of the sport forever with their amazing athletic ability. its not even the same game anymore......its played at a much higher level of athleticism, the "Stars" of those teams in the 50's couldn't play college ball now.
Same thing would happen in Soccer.
You're a fool...you really think they'd just blow by do you? When will you learn Groink you havent fucking listened to a word anyone has said. its not all about how fast you are, or how strong you are, a central midfield player or a centre back does not have to be quick or necessarily strong to be world class. It's technique, reading the game, touch, delivery.
In short being quicker almost never matters if you're coming up against a team that knows how to defend and shut the space down, giving you no time on the ball. It's about timing your run.
Fine you need quick wingers....so please tell me who of your amazing athletes would blow by (just in the england side) aaron lennon, ashley cole, sean wright philipps or glenn johnson. Or perhaps they might outpace some of the french like malouda or henry, or Evra or Sagna, or pherhaps brazil with Maicon, Michel bastos, Fabiano...seriously you dont have a clue mate every single guy i name right there would keep up with your magical 4.30 40 yard dash boys and theres many like that in most teams. Not only that, to go round someone in football you have to be significantly quicker than them...so essentially to get round someone like ashley cole you'd need to be olympic speed, and even then with the ball at your feet you wouldnt be able to turn him quick enough.
Point in proof...didier agathe, ran the 100m in 10.2 seconds, quick as hell but never got round players.
another point, why was zidane so good? guy wasn't particularly quick or strong, he just had amazing feet, a great eye for a pass, and beautiful technique and delivery. The game ran around him by the tempo he set by his control and understanding of the game not because he 'blew by' players. ::)
If you ever wish to watch football week in week out you wouldn't be coming up with the crap you're spouting, seriously its just annoying now rather than making any sort of valid point.
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Further to your point about the sport changing forver because of the introduction of black players....that already happened in football 30 years ago. Black players did and do make a huge difference to the quality of teams. By your logic african teams shold win almost by default...Brazil are a mixture of black, mixed race and white players, as are england and france...your point is basically irrelevant.
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Further to your point about the sport changing forver because of the introduction of black players....that already happened in football 30 years ago. Black players did and do make a huge difference to the quality of teams. By your logic african teams shold win almost by default...Brazil are a mixture of black, mixed race and white players, as are england and france...your point is basically irrelevant.
Coaching?
Mnay of the West African and Caribbean sprinters go to American schools for training (and drugs)...
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Coaching?
Mnay of the West African and Caribbean sprinters go to American schools for training (and drugs)...
Coaching isnt the problem...look at all the academies sprining up in africa that funnel high quality players into europe and have been doing so since the late 80's early 90's. Not only that most african sides national teams have either a european or a south american coach.
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You're a fool...you really think they'd just blow by do you? When will you learn Groink you havent fucking listened to a word anyone has said. its not all about how fast you are, or how strong you are, a central midfield player or a centre back does not have to be quick or necessarily strong to be world class. It's technique, reading the game, touch, delivery.
In short being quicker almost never matters if you're coming up against a team that knows how to defend and shut the space down, giving you no time on the ball. It's about timing your run.
Fine you need quick wingers....so please tell me who of your amazing athletes would blow by (just in the england side) aaron lennon, ashley cole, sean wright philipps or glenn johnson. Or perhaps they might outpace some of the french like malouda or henry, or Evra or Sagna, or pherhaps brazil with Maicon, Michel bastos, Fabiano...seriously you dont have a clue mate every single guy i name right there would keep up with your magical 4.30 40 yard dash boys and theres many like that in most teams. Not only that, to go round someone in football you have to be significantly quicker than them...so essentially to get round someone like ashley cole you'd need to be olympic speed, and even then with the ball at your feet you wouldnt be able to turn him quick enough.
Point in proof...didier agathe, ran the 100m in 10.2 seconds, quick as hell but never got round players.
another point, why was zidane so good? guy wasn't particularly quick or strong, he just had amazing feet, a great eye for a pass, and beautiful technique and delivery. The game ran around him by the tempo he set by his control and understanding of the game not because he 'blew by' players. ::)
If you ever wish to watch football week in week out you wouldn't be coming up with the crap you're spouting, seriously its just annoying now rather than making any sort of valid point.
End of thread as far as debate is concerned as the above is all truth.
The American child-like logic "my dad is bigger than yours" falls on its face in football.
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1-in 10 people have got the genetics to be in the world cup.
Haha get the fuck out of here you idiot.
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Haha get the fuck out of here you idiot.
That might be an exaggeration its closer to the truth though. You realize though soccer players are average to small. There are no 7 foot players, and no roid monster either. In fact I doubt there are any player no for any statistic that isn't related to skill.
I laugh at the pathetic argument that soccer isnt about atheticsm, and superior US athletes would not dominate.
If the top flight athletes that play football played soccer, they would change the way the game is played. They would just blow by, go around, or jump over the supposed "stars" of the game now, they would be no match for a team loaded with strong, lightning quick players that run 4.3 40's.
Just look at american Basketball. in the 40's and 50's it was a game of teamwork, passing and skill shooting the ball. Then the superior black athletes were allowed to play and they completely changed the landscape of the sport forever with their amazing athletic ability. its not even the same game anymore......its played at a much higher level of athleticism, the "Stars" of those teams in the 50's couldn't play college ball now.
Same thing would happen in Soccer.
Lol delusional you guys wouldn't "change the game" no more than brazil or germany(after decades of competing btw). This simple answer is play this second tier sport for a week if you can even run(you learn). Understanding your sports means knowing stats. Understanding soccer means actually playing it.
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That might be an exaggeration its closer to the truth though. You realize though soccer players are average to small. There are no 7 foot players, and no roid monster either. In fact I doubt there are any player no for any statistic that isn't related to skill.
No, it is not anywhere close to the truth. Professional soccer players like professional athletes in any major international or Olympic sport are the absolute athletic elite.
Let's do a little math here, although I suspect that isn't your strong point so bear with me. Let's assume that 10% of the world's population has the "genetics" (whatever you are referring to there; evidently it is not God-given athletic ability) to play in the World Cup. There are 6.7 billion people living on Earth right now so according to you 6.7 million of them have the ability to play in the World Cup if they want. There are 23 players on each squad. Let's assume there are ten times as many players that could have been on the squad but were not for whatever reason (so 230 total). There are 32 teams in the World Cup so let's assume again there are ten times as many teams that could have made it but didn't. That's a total of 320*230 = 73,600 potential World Cup players. Note that both of these "ten times as many" estimates are huge exaggerations.
So by your logic there are over six million people in the world who could play in the World Cup but don't for whatever reason. Right ::) Well under 1% of the world's population has the genetics to play in the World Cup, Super Bowl, World Series, etc.
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Lol this thread is such a joke. The idea is americans would kick ass at itt if they cared. Yet they fail to realize what makes them good at the big three is simply demographics. In either basketball football or baseball, only 1 in 1000 people have got the genetics to even play it. Baseketball is about height, football and baseball about power speed and size. In soccer demographics dont matter 1-in 10 people have got the genetics to be in the world cup. Being good a soccer comes down to culture, team work, skill etc. American falsely believe that there is some cultural greatness they have that no other nation will ever achieve, when the only thing you really have is a large population. Americans are the zapp brannigan of sports you think just by sending waves upon waves of kids into the sport you will get a winner, when in fact that only works in industrial sports where height weight or brute roid strength matter.
But again this all comes down to culture. Americans love games of trivial number like a pitchers speed, or a linebackers weight. Because culturally speaking they dont really play the sports they watch, instead rely on minorities to do so.
In soccer most of the people watching the sport play the sport. I can play a game with the best soccer player in the world and learn something, while if I played against the best of the big three id learn im just to short or small.
As far the lack of contact in soccer that has to do with the knees. In soccer everything is dependant on the knee. The top players would simply get there knees destroyed by lesser players if they werent protected by the reff. If american culture is to childish to accept this, good look dominating the sport when you all of a sudden care. ......Dont get me wrong anything above the knee in my mind should be fair game but protect the knees. By the way the knees are the reason Soccer players are geared to the hilt, roid would mean just more tendon damage, and more weight to carry.
Excellent post, i agree with everything written here. Soccer is the one true sport where anyone can compete using either athleticism, brains, skill. You can be tall or small, everyone has a chance in soccer which is why it is the greatest sport on earth. Americans are way too dumb to understand your post.
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Haha, soccer has nothing to do with power, speed, and size! You heard it here first folks!!
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I laugh at the pathetic argument that soccer isnt about atheticsm, and superior US athletes would not dominate.
If the top flight athletes that play football played soccer, they would change the way the game is played. They would just blow by, go around, or jump over the supposed "stars" of the game now, they would be no match for a team loaded with strong, lightning quick players that run 4.3 40's.
Just look at american Basketball. in the 40's and 50's it was a game of teamwork, passing and skill shooting the ball. Then the superior black athletes were allowed to play and they completely changed the landscape of the sport forever with their amazing athletic ability. its not even the same game anymore......its played at a much higher level of athleticism, the "Stars" of those teams in the 50's couldn't play college ball now.
Same thing would happen in Soccer.
Wow Groink, i usually enjoy your entertaining posts but this ridiculous what you have written here. You obviously know nothing about soccer and applying typical American mentality towards strength and speed being the most important factors in a sport.
I am sorry stick to what you know, your post is completely off base, its actually laughable how your posts fits the exact ignorant American attitude towards sports. Just be a man and admit you know very little about soccer or played the sport at any significant level.
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soccer is a sport that changes the specifications to its ball all the time. what kind of sport does that?
its gay as fuck
flopping players, no size or speed, just average hairy 140lbs nerds running around chasing a ball that never seems to find itself in that huge 20 foot goal box.
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Lol this thread is such a joke. The idea is americans would kick ass at itt if they cared. Yet they fail to realize what makes them good at the big three is simply demographics. In either basketball football or baseball, only 1 in 1000 people have got the genetics to even play it. Baseketball is about height, football and baseball about power speed and size. In soccer demographics dont matter 1-in 10 people have got the genetics to be in the world cup. Being good a soccer comes down to culture, team work, skill etc. American falsely believe that there is some cultural greatness they have that no other nation will ever achieve, when the only thing you really have is a large population. Americans are the zapp brannigan of sports you think just by sending waves upon waves of kids into the sport you will get a winner, when in fact that only works in industrial sports where height weight or brute roid strength matter.
But again this all comes down to culture. Americans love games of trivial number like a pitchers speed, or a linebackers weight. Because culturally speaking they dont really play the sports they watch, instead rely on minorities to do so.
In soccer most of the people watching the sport play the sport. I can play a game with the best soccer player in the world and learn something, while if I played against the best of the big three id learn im just to short or small.
As far the lack of contact in soccer that has to do with the knees. In soccer everything is dependant on the knee. The top players would simply get there knees destroyed by lesser players if they werent protected by the reff. If american culture is to childish to accept this, good look dominating the sport when you all of a
sudden care. ......Dont get me wrong anything above the knee in my mind should be fair game but protect the knees. By the way the knees are the reason Soccer players are geared to the hilt, roid would mean just more tendon damage, and more weight to carry.
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Haha, soccer has nothing to do with power, speed, and size! You heard it here first folks!!
So I guess after 9 pages we can agree its a matter of cultural difference. Americans love sports of brute force, while europe prefers quality and skill. Whoa didn't see that coming.
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Further to your point about the sport changing forver because of the introduction of black players....that already happened in football 30 years ago. Black players did and do make a huge difference to the quality of teams. By your logic african teams shold win almost by default...Brazil are a mixture of black, mixed race and white players, as are england and france...your point is basically irrelevant.
You confused Black with African. In the UK blacks are africans. In the USA they are 5 or 6 generations removed from africa. Were bread as slaves and the strongest survived and were bread with other strong slaves. There's a reason why the average Black in north america is stronger, leaner, more muscular than the average off the boat african.
If the majority of NFL, NBA and NHL athletes decided to play soccer the USA would win every world cup. You don't think that NFL running backs have good feet? LaDanian Tomlinson can out run and fake out anyone in the world cup. Darren sproles, the same. Guys like this can dance around any fool then blow them away in any sprint. Who the fuck in the world cup would catch Chris Johnson on a break away? Chris johnson dances through lineman that can crush any soccer player. You are speaking out of your ass comparing soccer players to real athletes. Maybe compare soccer players to chess or billiards players for a fair comparison.
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So I guess after 9 pages we can agree its a matter of cultural difference. Americans love sports of brute force, while europe prefers quality and skill. Whoa didn't see that coming.
It takes much more skill to connect a bat to a 95+ mph fastball than it does to kick a soccer ball 20 yards to your teammate. ::)
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You confused Black with African. In the UK blacks are africans. In the USA they are 5 or 6 generations removed from africa. Were bread as slaves and the strongest survived and were bread with other strong slaves. There's a reason why the average Black in north america is stronger, leaner, more muscular than the average off the boat african.
If the majority of NFL, NBA and NHL athletes decided to play soccer the USA would win every world cup. You don't think that NFL running backs have good feet? LaDanian Tomlinson can out run and fake out anyone in the world cup. Darren sproles, the same. Guys like this can dance around any fool then blow them away in any sprint. Who the fuck in the world cup would catch Chris Johnson on a break away? Chris johnson dances through lineman that can crush any soccer player. You are speaking out of your ass comparing soccer players to real athletes. Maybe compare soccer players to chess or billiards players for a fair comparison.
Would you please stop this dumbass theory. For the record if there were bread for anything it would be long 12 hour days, not 1 hour of sprinting. So they'd actually better endurance athletes than anything else. By this reasoning anyone from northern europe should be super strong as it'd make them better vikings. ::)
If you can actually back this theory up with some genetics evidence other than opinions I'm all ears. Please don't quote some wack job scientist opinion cuz i can found loads who think the world is 6500 years old. There is no genetic evidence and if there were scientists would be all over it. Statically blacks are about an inch shorter than whites. They appear to be big cuz you only notice the pro athelets. Just make a list of black comedians and rappers and none of them are over 510
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Would you please stop this dumbass theory. For the record if there were bread for anything it would be long 12 hour days, not 1 hour of sprinting. So they'd actually better endurance athletes than anything else. By this reasoning anyone from northern europe should be super strong as it'd make them better vikings. ::)
If you can actually back this theory up with some genetics evidence other than opinions I'm all ears. Please don't quote some wack job scientist opinion cuz i can found loads who think the world is 6500 years old. There is no genetic evidence and if there were scientists would be all over it. Statically blacks are about an inch shorter than whites. They appear to be big cuz you only notice the pro athelets. Just make a list of black comedians and rappers and none of them are over 510
come on dumb ass put up your best soccer player and we will show you atheletes that make him look like a kid...
still waiting...
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Hey fellas! Come and watch the spanish macho men take plenty of hard fought dives in their upcoming match against honduras LOL Match starts in bout 2 hours!
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Coaching isnt the problem...look at all the academies sprining up in africa that funnel high quality players into europe and have been doing so since the late 80's early 90's. Not only that most african sides national teams have either a european or a south american coach.
So all the best players go to Europe, but during World Cup play for their respective countries? So who do the African countries have Coaching them? Good or subpar coaches? Or do they need players with leadership and good coaches?
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It takes much more skill to connect a bat to a 95+ mph fastball than it does to kick a soccer ball 20 yards to your teammate. ::)
Haven't you heard, BerzerkFury? Baseball does not require skill and talent, only "brute force" ::)
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10 pages in and soccer is still gay
carry on
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Oh, come on.....now we have an idiot saying american blacks arent the best pure athletes in the world....thats total nonsense.
Two Words : Bo Jackson
As to the rest of these guys, STILL laughing at your defense of your precious sport.
American blacks have dominated every sport they play, if they were kicking around soccer balls as a kid instead of basketballs and footballs, they would dominate that too. Just look at history, they have done it in every other sport.....what makes you think soccer is so fucking special ??
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It takes much more skill to connect a bat to a 95+ mph fastball than it does to kick a soccer ball 20 yards to your teammate. ::)
Specifity.
Give a top slugger a football and ask him to run 50yards around 3 players and chip the keeper he wont be able to do.
Give a football player a baseball bat he will swing and miss everytime.
Both are at the top of their games though.
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Oh, come on.....now we have an idiot saying american blacks arent the best pure athletes in the world....thats total nonsense.
Two Words : Bo Jackson
As to the rest of these guys, STILL laughing at your defense of your precious sport.
American blacks have dominated every sport they play, if they were kicking around soccer balls as a kid instead of basketballs and footballs, they would dominate that too. Just look at history, they have done it in every other sport.....what makes you think soccer is so fucking special ??
Seriously what sports.
I can think of Athletics sub 400m, basketball and NFL.
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Haven't you heard, BerzerkFury? Baseball does not require skill and talent, only "brute force" ::)
It takes skill of course. But conditioning overrides skills. Where as in soccer skill overrides conditioning. It's not that complicated equation. Being a pro athlete means you have something no one else has. In basketball it's height, football and baseball its size speed strength. In soccer is mostly skill that gets you in, where in soccer as long as you have average endurance your okay. I play both basketball and soccer, because i'm 6'3" and can sprint i dominate in basketball, while in soccer i suck.
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Seriously what sports.
I can think of Athletics sub 400m, basketball and NFL.
There is a negro that's pretty good at Golf. Baseball is no longer dominated by blacks. Latin Americans have taken that over for sure.
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The top guy is the black for sure.
But other than Tiger Woods I cant think of one black golfer.
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It takes much more skill to connect a bat to a 95+ mph fastball than it does to kick a soccer ball 20 yards to your teammate. ::)
Takes years of practice and athletic gifts, but at 90+ you need some luck, too. Those speeds are just ridiculous. You'd have to start your swing as the pitcher releases the ball, hoping you've read his tells or you have a good scouting report. 'Course, he could throw you an off-speed pitch. Great game. :)
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It takes skill of course. But conditioning overrides skills. Where as in soccer skill overrides conditioning. It's not that complicated equation. Being a pro athlete means you have something no one else has. In basketball it's height, football and baseball its size speed strength. In soccer is mostly skill that gets you in, where in soccer as long as you have average endurance your okay. I play both basketball and soccer, because i'm 6'3" and can sprint i dominate in basketball, while in soccer i suck.
LMAO like ursus said its just ignorance of each others sports...
there is so much skill and teamwork involved in american football its ridiculous
the best players in football and basketball arent the tallest or the fastest they are the ones with the most skill and vision and yes toughness...AFTER ALL ITS A FUKING SPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The only hope for el futbol being big in the US here is the increasing immigration. In school, you either played american football or baseball. The brothers also had their basketball. The rest either stayed out of sports or was thrown on a soccer field. Sad, but true.
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It takes skill of course. But conditioning overrides skills. Where as in soccer skill overrides conditioning. It's not that complicated equation. Being a pro athlete means you have something no one else has. In basketball it's height, football and baseball its size speed strength. In soccer is mostly skill that gets you in, where in soccer as long as you have average endurance your okay. I play both basketball and soccer, because i'm 6'3" and can sprint i dominate in basketball, while in soccer i suck.
Haha, yes, conditioning overrides skill in baseball! What will this idiot come up with next?
Skill and conditioning are critical in every sport. If you think having average endurance will get you by on a soccer pitch then maybe that's why you suck at it. It's probably my typical American stupidity that's holding me back from understanding the salient points of your lovely argument here ::) There is a lot more to being a good basketball player than height. I'm taller than probably half the starting point guard in the NCAA and all of them would wipe the floor with me. It's called god-given athletic ability and it plays just as much a role in soccer as in any other major sport. What the hell are you even arguing?
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Exactly. they dominate the sports where you chase a ball around, which is Soccer as well
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It takes much more skill to connect a bat to a 95+ mph fastball than it does to kick a soccer ball 20 yards to your teammate. ::)
Really? ;)
The top footballers earn more than the top nfl players. The average gridiron players career is just 4 years, where as the average footballers career in 14 years.
Highest Paid Football Players == Chelsea, Real Madrid and Manchester United players get paid the most. David Beckham is the richest player in the world because he gets paid a million dollars a week
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Cultural reasons why Americans have no real talent for soccer:
1. No Hands
The most popular American sports – basketball, baseball, American football, ice hockey, golf – primarily involve the use of hands / upper body to compete in. In fact, you could argue that feet are only for mobility (only American football allows for kicking, and that too is best done long-range).
Now if you drop a sport like soccer – all feet, some head and no hands – it’s like asking someone to walk on their hands instead of their feet. It’s not easy to switch around to compeletely different way of playing a sport.
2. No Breaks
Who in the world thought of a 90-minute game that only took one break, and that too after 45 minutes? The American public is used to a quick break every 5 minutes, if not sooner. Basketball has its quarters. Baseball has its regular breaks with batters coming in and going out. American football is a stop-start game. In golf you hit a ball a couple of hundred yards and then you walk towards it (the game is a candidate for the most retarded sport ever award).
On the other hand, soccer has a natural ebb and flow to it that no American sport can match.
Americans have been bred on small, easily digestible segments of everything – sport, news, knowledge, etc. It’s a cultural effort to make low concentration levels a standard across the country. It’s also why the typical American watching soccer feels the inevitable urge to flip to another channel and watch commercials every 5 minutes.
3. They Hate It
They didn’t create it, and they’re not very good at it. Either one would have been enough to foster some passion for the sport, but since there are so many countries in the world that are better than the US at soccer, the American people have little interest.
And it makes sense too – why follow something in which your side keeps losing? After being subjected to a lifetime of doctored news and world views, this sudden brush with reality is overwhelming for the average American psyche and they do what any American would do when faced with something they don’t know – they turn their back to it.
Ironically this disdain for soccer makes it more difficult for the sport to take off in the country – a vicious cycle.
4. No One Likes The Americans
Usually, when there’s someone in your family who’s not as good at a sport as you are, you tend to try and help them out so that they can get better and (hopefully) provide more of a challenge to you later on.
At least that’s what I’ve seen.
With the US though, the rest of the world isn’t so kind. We’ve made it acceptable to make fun of US soccer instead of going there and investing in the sport in America. We’ve made it acceptable to mock them instead of training them and coaching them.
That’s why when someone like David Beckham – an excellent businessman – goes to the US to invest in soccer, the world laughs at him. Would you laugh at Bill Gates if he invested in a new technology startup? People would scramble to get involved. The world doesn’t take Americans seriously, and soccer is worse off as a result.
5. It’s Illegal To Cheat
Did you know that American sports in general do not follow WADA rules? That the use of performance-enhancing drugs is not strictly regulated in US sports? The World Anti-Doping Agency has strict regulations that almost all sports adhere to, especially soccer with it’s spot drug testing and what not. American sports, on the other hand, play by their own rules, which is a nice way to say that American sports feature more drug abuse than more global sports.
In some cases, having a global authority making sure that you follow certain standards is a good thing.
But hey, what’s the point of playing a sport when you can’t pump yourself with drugs to make you faster / stronger? If you can’t cheat, why play?
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Either that or it is boring as piss.
We have better sports that i have no problem sitting down for a whole 90 minutes and watching.
I love the old "unsophisticated American" argument. Golf and tennis are supposed sports of the rich and they are very popular in the states.
Soccer fucking blows....end of story
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Either that or it is boring as piss.
We have better sports that i have no problem sitting down for a whole 90 minutes and watching.
I love the old "unsophisticated American" argument. Golf and tennis are supposed sports of the rich and they are very popular in the states.
Soccer fucking blows....end of story
Team Nasser likes soccer as well.
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The hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a baseball, and baseball is much more a game of skill than it is of conditioning. Also foot speed is a big plus in baseball, but it's not a requirement. I think that the best conditioned athletes are basketball players, with soccer players being a rather close second.
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The hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a baseball, and baseball is much more a game of skill than it is of conditioning. Also foot speed is a big plus in baseball, but it's not a requirement. I think that the best conditioned athletes are basketball players, with soccer players being a rather close second.
Who has more endurance a basketball player or a soccer player?
Soccer player.
Soccer Players. The field is much larger, and endurance is a much larger factor in soccer. Soccer games are also MUCH longer than basketball games, no matter what level you're playing in. Also, there are only 3 substitutions allowed the whole soccer match as opposed to unlimited in basketball. Basketball players run an average of 5 miles per game while soccer players run 7 miles per game.
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Really? ;)
The top footballers earn more than the top nfl players. The average gridiron players career is just 4 years, where as the average footballers career in 14 years.
Highest Paid Football Players == Chelsea, Real Madrid and Manchester United players get paid the most. David Beckham is the richest player in the world because he gets paid a million dollars a week
There is a scientific breakdown from R. Carlos' goal against Tenerife, ironically by an American news station that broke it down to speed angles etc and said it is basically teh closest to impoissible goal ever scored.
That goal at Le Tournoi is sensational.
Watch from 1.20 at least
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Retarded argument.
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Retarded argument.
Che has spoken. /End thread.
Che, we need more wife pics. Post pics of yours, and ill post pics of mine. ;D
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Che has spoken. /End thread.
Che, we need more wife pics. Post pics of yours, and ill post pics of mine. ;D
No problem , you go first ;).
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There is a scientific breakdown from R. Carlos' goal against Tenerife, ironically by an American news station that broke it down to speed angles etc and said it is basically teh closest to impoissible goal ever scored.
That goal at Le Tournoi is sensational.
Watch from 1.20 at least
Nice thanks.
Goal
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Really? ;)
The top footballers earn more than the top nfl players. The average gridiron players career is just 4 years, where as the average footballers career in 14 years.
Highest Paid Football Players == Chelsea, Real Madrid and Manchester United players get paid the most. David Beckham is the richest player in the world because he gets paid a million dollars a week
how many games do you have in a season? in football they play 16 games in the regular season...
both goals are nice but american football players are hands down more atheletic than soccer players and imho american football requires a great deal more skill...
american football may seem like just a brute strength contest but that is so far from the truth its insane. American football is very relient on skill, fitness, teamwork and vision.
how much skill, fitness and vision do you think it takes to fight off a defender while tracking a ball and then make a one handed catch from almost 50 yards away? Never the less being able to hit a person with a football running at a full sprint that runs 40 yds in around 4 secs while trying to avoid 300 lb men trying to tackle you.
there is a ton of teamwork in the NFL watch some of the runs in this video and tell me that all the blocking isnt teamwork. Anytime you have a successfull pass or run you can be sure that alot of teamwork went into it, the ppl have to know who to block, whether or not the block and the let them go to engage someone else downt he field...whether or not the running back should block or go out for a pass.
Like I said I know on the surface American football doesnt look like it takes a lot of skill but thats just not paying attention. Everything from the linemen knowing their blocking assignments to a running back giving a stiff arm or a juke uses teamwork and skill
I leave you with one of the leagues best wide receivers and some of his best catches from last year...this man is a true athelete
its not even a fair comparison the one and only thing that soccer players have over american football players is endurance... ;)
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Who has more endurance a basketball player or a soccer player?
Soccer player.
Soccer Players. The field is much larger, and endurance is a much larger factor in soccer. Soccer games are also MUCH longer than basketball games, no matter what level you're playing in. Also, there are only 3 substitutions allowed the whole soccer match as opposed to unlimited in basketball. Basketball players run an average of 5 miles per game while soccer players run 7 miles per game.
I would agree that soccer players may have more conditioning than basketball but at the same in basketball youre sprinting everytime...in soccer youre running more but youre not always sprinting and there are times when youre just standing there...
at any rate this just backs up what I said soccer players are sub par atheletes compared to basketball and football players all they have is endurance on them...
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how many games do you have in a season? in football they play 16 games in the regular season...
both goals are nice but american football players are hands down more atheletic than soccer players and imho american football requires a great deal more skill...its not even a fair comparison the one and only thing that soccer players have over american football players is endurance... ;)
More athletic?
Did you know that American sports in general do not follow WADA rules? That the use of performance-enhancing drugs is not strictly regulated in US sports? The World Anti-Doping Agency has strict regulations that almost all sports adhere to, especially soccer with it’s spot drug testing and what not. American sports, on the other hand, play by their own rules, which is a nice way to say that American sports feature more drug abuse than more global sports.
In some cases, having a global authority making sure that you follow certain standards is a good thing.
But hey, what’s the point of playing a sport when you can’t pump yourself with drugs to make you faster / stronger? If you can’t cheat, why play?
More skills? no way.
The most popular American sports – basketball, baseball, American football, ice hockey, golf – primarily involve the use of hands / upper body to compete in. In fact, you could argue that feet are only for mobility (only American football allows for kicking, and that too is best done long-range).
Now if you drop a sport like soccer – all feet, some head and no hands – it’s like asking someone to walk on their hands instead of their feet. It’s not easy to switch around to compeletely different way of playing a sport.
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I would agree that soccer players may have more conditioning than basketball but at the same in basketball youre sprinting everytime...in soccer youre running more but youre not always sprinting and there are times when youre just standing there...
at any rate this just backs up what I said soccer players are sub par atheletes compared to basketball and football players all they have is endurance on them...
Bingo. Every soccer clip posted shows about 5 guys from each team engaged in the action, the rest of them aren't even in the frame...and they're just standing there, that's what happens.
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Thread saved by my wife.
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You win bro >:(
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how many games do you have in a season? in football they play 16 games in the regular season...
both goals are nice but american football players are hands down more atheletic than soccer players and imho american football requires a great deal more skill...its not even a fair comparison the one and only thing that soccer players have over american football players is endurance... ;)
That endurance claim by soccer fanatics is bullshit. Watch a game. Everyone but the mid-fielders spend as much time walking/jogging as they do sprinting. Guys like Ronaldo won't even make an attempt to get back and play defense unless the other team is 10 yards from their team's goal. Endurance my ass. As if jogging/running 5 miles over the course of 90+ minutes is special. I guess that makes marathon runners the greatest athletes alive as they cover that distance in 1/3 of that time. ::)
Try sprinting up and down a basketball court and banging bodies all game. Unlike soccer pussies, NBA players don't flop around whenever someone brushes up against them.
I would easily take the bet that Lebron is a better athlete than any soccer player. And this is coming from someone who doesn't even like the NBA.
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More athletic?
Did you know that American sports in general do not follow WADA rules? That the use of performance-enhancing drugs is not strictly regulated in US sports? The World Anti-Doping Agency has strict regulations that almost all sports adhere to, especially soccer with it’s spot drug testing and what not. American sports, on the other hand, play by their own rules, which is a nice way to say that American sports feature more drug abuse than more global sports.
In some cases, having a global authority making sure that you follow certain standards is a good thing.
But hey, what’s the point of playing a sport when you can’t pump yourself with drugs to make you faster / stronger? If you can’t cheat, why play?
More skills? no way.
The most popular American sports – basketball, baseball, American football, ice hockey, golf – primarily involve the use of hands / upper body to compete in. In fact, you could argue that feet are only for mobility (only American football allows for kicking, and that too is best done long-range).
Now if you drop a sport like soccer – all feet, some head and no hands – it’s like asking someone to walk on their hands instead of their feet. It’s not easy to switch around to compeletely different way of playing a sport.
Don't waste your time brother
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You win bro >:(
Bulllshit! Wife swap?
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That endurance claim by soccer fanatics is bullshit. Watch a game. Everyone but the mid-fielders spend as much time walking/jogging as they do sprinting. Guys like Ronaldo won't even make an attempt to get back and play defense unless the other team is 10 yards from their team's goal. Endurance my ass. As if jogging/running 5 miles over the course of 90+ minutes is special. I guess that makes marathon runners the greatest athletes alive as they cover that distance in 1/3 of that time. ::)
Try sprinting up and down a basketball court and banging bodies all game. Unlike soccer pussies, NBA players don't flop around whenever someone brushes up against them.
I would easily take the bet that Lebron is a better athlete than any soccer player. And this is coming from someone who doesn't even like the NBA.
Soccer is about skill not athleticism, Koby Bryant first chosen sport was soccer he failed.
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Soccer is about skill not athleticism, Koby Bryant first chosen sport was soccer he failed.
What skill? Kicking a ball around? It's not any more impressive than hitting a 95+ mph fastball or making a diving one-hand catch on a 60-yard pass.
But I'm sure there are millions of successful 6'6 soccer players out there playing positions besides GK. Kobe had the basketball gift so why waste his time in a sport that would only pay him a fraction of what he'd make in the NBA? ::)
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More athletic?
Did you know that American sports in general do not follow WADA rules? That the use of performance-enhancing drugs is not strictly regulated in US sports? The World Anti-Doping Agency has strict regulations that almost all sports adhere to, especially soccer with it’s spot drug testing and what not. American sports, on the other hand, play by their own rules, which is a nice way to say that American sports feature more drug abuse than more global sports.
In some cases, having a global authority making sure that you follow certain standards is a good thing.
But hey, what’s the point of playing a sport when you can’t pump yourself with drugs to make you faster / stronger? If you can’t cheat, why play?
More skills? no way.
The most popular American sports – basketball, baseball, American football, ice hockey, golf – primarily involve the use of hands / upper body to compete in. In fact, you could argue that feet are only for mobility (only American football allows for kicking, and that too is best done long-range).
Now if you drop a sport like soccer – all feet, some head and no hands – it’s like asking someone to walk on their hands instead of their feet. It’s not easy to switch around to compeletely different way of playing a sport.
LMAO so its all drugs that produce our better atheletes huh? ::) ::) ::)
and I agree that dealing with your feet as opposed to your hands takes more skill but you convienently leave a shit load out...throwing a ball and hitting a guy who runs 4 sec 40's 50yds away in full stride...being able to evade and throw on the run...fighting off defenders and catching balls with one hand...being able to juke defender after defender ...not even a contest and actually its not better to kick a field goal in football from a longer distance ;)(its clear you dont know much about football)
Like I said the US produces better atheletes...most professional players arent on drugs but some are...most soccer players arent on drugs BUT SOME ARE
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Soccer is about skill not athleticism, Koby Bryant first chosen sport was soccer he failed.
if that is the case then youre fucked...
SKILL IS LEARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ATHELETICISM IS INHERIT!!!!!!!!
who is more atheletic? soccer players or basketball and football players? LMAO ist not even a contest...
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if that is the case then youre fucked...
SKILL IS LEARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ATHELETICISM IS INHERIT!!!!!!!!
who is more atheletic? soccer players of basketball and football players? LMAO ist not even a contest...
Haha, they don't even realize that they're defeating their entire argument by acknowledging that soccer players are inferior athletes.
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Soccer is more physically demanding. Granted all the other sports mentioned here are physically demanding as well, but from not only the experience I have as an athlete, but the knowledge gained in sports medicine classes in college, soccer is obviously the more demanding sport.
Basketball is a very demanding sport when you consider the sprints that the players have to go through, but like mentioned here, they are very short sprints and half the people that play are over 6ft tall anyway to it doesn't take that long to get across the court. Then its a bunch of passing and quick movements, but endurance lacks. Its mostly anaerobic. Plus, with the combination of using hands and legs, does make it a bit easier.
However, in soccer not only do players sprint long distances, but in between (if they're a good player) they will be jogging or running the whole time, considering when the ball isn't around a player, they should be moving constantly to get in a good position. And when the ball does come near there's a lot of checking to and away from the ball. That involves sprinting. Its a combination of aerobic and anaerobic. Its very demanding. Plus on top of that, you aren't just throwing a ball to someone a few feet away, you may be trying to cross the ball over 30 or 40 yrds. Its a bit more difficult when you have to use your feet not only for running and cutting, but also to handle a ball at the same time. Basketball players don't even have to pay much attention to their feet in relation to the ball. Just the fact that everything in soccer has to be done with the legs and feet make it more demanding. I could run down the length of a soccer field and shoot a basketball in a a net WITH MY HANDS a lot easier than I could run down the length of a soccer field and then shoot after having used most of the energy in my legs.
But like I said, both are hard. I wouldn't expect a basketball player to step onto a soccer field and have the conditioning for it, but like I wouldn't expect a soccer player to step on a basketball court and have the conditioning for that.
I will make simple google, if you find One result in favor of basketball. feel free to post.
Skill is learned? how come we don't have a Ronaldo in every corner?
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Soccer is more physically demanding. Granted all the other sports mentioned here are physically demanding as well, but from not only the experience I have as an athlete, but the knowledge gained in sports medicine classes in college, soccer is obviously the more demanding sport.
Basketball is a very demanding sport when you consider the sprints that the players have to go through, but like mentioned here, they are very short sprints and half the people that play are over 6ft tall anyway to it doesn't take that long to get across the court. Then its a bunch of passing and quick movements, but endurance lacks. Its mostly anaerobic. Plus, with the combination of using hands and legs, does make it a bit easier.
However, in soccer not only do players sprint long distances, but in between (if they're a good player) they will be jogging or running the whole time, considering when the ball isn't around a player, they should be
moving constantly to get in a good position. And when the ball does come near there's a lot of checking to and away from the ball. That involves sprinting. Its a combination of aerobic and anaerobic. Its very demanding. Plus on top of that, you aren't just throwing a ball to someone a few feet away, you may be trying to cross the ball over 30 or 40 yrds. Its a bit more difficult when you have to use your feet not only for running and cutting, but also to handle a ball at the same time. Basketball players don't even have to pay much attention to their feet in relation to the ball. Just the fact that everything in soccer has to be done with the legs and feet make it more demanding. I could run down the length of a soccer field and shoot a basketball in a a net WITH MY HANDS a lot easier than I could run down the length of a soccer field and then shoot after having used most of the energy in my legs.
But like I said, both are hard. I wouldn't expect a basketball player to step onto a soccer field and have the conditioning for it, but like I wouldn't expect a soccer player to step on a basketball court and have the conditioning for that.
I will make simple google, if you find One result in favor of basketball. feel free to post.
Skill is learned? how come we don't have a Ronaldo in every corner?
No, just no.
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I'm gonna have to break it down for you guys again cuz you guys are missing my point why americans cant just own the sport if they so choose. In general to be a pro athlete only about 1 in 100 have what it takes to make it big, with the combination of general fitness and reflexs, in general in any fast paced sport. In the american big three a top player is much rarer than say about 1 in 100, a good guess would be maybe about 1 in 10000, that got the right size, strength, speed, endurance agility, and resistance to injury. Of course they spend there lives devoted to the sport and i'm not trying to say for a moment they without skill. There highly highly skilled athletes.
In soccer its still 1 in 100 people got what it takes to be a pro, I more than agree that there sub par in terms of any of the things that makes americans great athletes. The rest comes down to skill with the ball, team movements, and a ability to see plays in advance/ manipulate the opposing team, much like any other sport.
Americans do well in conditioned sports because they have so many people. If you got a massive pool of athletes to choose from your sure to get the best and have the best teams. There is no way around this fact, more people more choice better selection.
In soccer it don't work like that at all. A small country like portugal can do very well in the world cup even though it only has 8 million people. Why because they have such a high level of soccer in the country, regardless the number of people. Developing a high level of play takes decades and decades. To act like somehow if americans care theyd dominate the sport in clown talk. Maybe in 30-40 years but it wouldn't happen overnight.
As far as what groinks saying about the american speed and endurance would win, it don't make sense. In soccer its the same size as a football field, but the major difference is that there spread across a field equally not tensed up in football. Which means it's very easy for a skilled team to play around fast players. Football and basketball are not like this a overbearing player can dominate someone because there in tight spaces.
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if that is the case then youre fucked...
SKILL IS LEARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ATHELETICISM IS INHERIT!!!!!!!!
who is more atheletic? soccer players or basketball and football players? LMAO ist not even a contest...
Are you retarded ?
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Are you retarded ?
are fuking you??? ::) ::) ::)
a skill is a learned action anybody can pick up skills but its their natural ability that makes the difference....
so who are better atheletes soccer players or football players? LMAO
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Soccer is more physically demanding. Granted all the other sports mentioned here are physically demanding as well, but from not only the experience I have as an athlete, but the knowledge gained in sports medicine classes in college, soccer is obviously the more demanding sport.
Basketball is a very demanding sport when you consider the sprints that the players have to go through, but like mentioned here, they are very short sprints and half the people that play are over 6ft tall anyway to it doesn't take that long to get across the court. Then its a bunch of passing and quick movements, but endurance lacks. Its mostly anaerobic. Plus, with the combination of using hands and legs, does make it a bit easier.
However, in soccer not only do players sprint long distances, but in between (if they're a good player) they will be jogging or running the whole time, considering when the ball isn't around a player, they should be moving constantly to get in a good position. And when the ball does come near there's a lot of checking to and away from the ball. That involves sprinting. Its a combination of aerobic and anaerobic. Its very demanding. Plus on top of that, you aren't just throwing a ball to someone a few feet away, you may be trying to cross the ball over 30 or 40 yrds. Its a bit more difficult when you have to use your feet not only for running and cutting, but also to handle a ball at the same time. Basketball players don't even have to pay much attention to their feet in relation to the ball. Just the fact that everything in soccer has to be done with the legs and feet make it more demanding. I could run down the length of a soccer field and shoot a basketball in a a net WITH MY HANDS a lot easier than I could run down the length of a soccer field and then shoot after having used most of the energy in my legs.
But like I said, both are hard. I wouldn't expect a basketball player to step onto a soccer field and have the conditioning for it, but like I wouldn't expect a soccer player to step on a basketball court and have the conditioning for that.
I will make simple google, if you find One result in favor of basketball. feel free to post.
Skill is learned? how come we don't have a Ronaldo in every corner?
LMAO compare soccer to american football... ::) ::) ::)
more physically demanding my ass ::)
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are fuking you??? ::) ::) ::)
a skill is a learned action anybody can pick up skills but its their natural ability that makes the difference....
so who are better atheletes soccer players or football players? LMAO
You are right Payton Manning is better athlete than Cristiano Ronaldo ,LOL.
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I'm gonna have to break it down for you guys again cuz you guys are missing my point why americans cant just own the sport if they so choose. In general to be a pro athlete only about 1 in 100 have what it takes to make it big, with the combination of general fitness and reflexs, in general in any fast paced sport. In the american big three a top player is much rarer than say about 1 in 100, a good guess would be maybe about 1 in 10000, that got the right size, strength, speed, endurance agility, and resistance to injury. Of course they spend there lives devoted to the sport and i'm not trying to say for a moment they without skill. There highly highly skilled athletes.
In soccer its still 1 in 100 people got what it takes to be a pro, I more than agree that there sub par in terms of any of the things that makes americans great athletes. The rest comes down to skill with the ball, team movements, and a ability to see plays in advance/ manipulate the opposing team, much like any other sport.
Americans do well in conditioned sports because they have so many people. If you got a massive pool of athletes to choose from your sure to get the best and have the best teams. There is no way around this fact, more people more choice better selection.
In soccer it don't work like that at all. A small country like portugal can do very well in the world cup even though it only has 8 million people. Why because they have such a high level of soccer in the country, regardless the number of people. Developing a high level of play takes decades and decades. To act like somehow if americans care theyd dominate the sport in clown talk. Maybe in 30-40 years but it wouldn't
happen overnight
As far as what groinks saying about the american speed and endurance would win, it don't make sense. In soccer its the same size as a football field, but the major difference is that there spread across a field equally not tensed up in football. Which means it's very easy for a skilled team to play around fast players. Football and basketball are not like this a overbearing player can dominate someone because there in tight spaces.
The big three American sports/leagues have 2896 roster spots combined. The us poulation is 308.4 million. Of course not all spots are even occupied my American players, but even if they were that 1 in every 103,000.
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Your math is awesome. The big three American sports/leagues have 2896 roster spots combined. The us poulation is 308.4 million. Of course not all spots are even occupied my American players, but even if they were that 1 in every 103,000.
BAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH so what they play for 78.6 years each. The average person in the nfl last 3-4 years. It differs for each sport, but either way it's a pretty good guess. I'm not trying to be precise.if that is the case then youre fucked...
SKILL IS LEARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ATHELETICISM IS INHERIT!!!!!!!!
who is more atheletic? soccer players or basketball and football players? LMAO ist not even a contest...
No argument there, you got the best athletes in the world, and always will because you have by far the widest selection of players due to demographics. In soccer being a athlete is secondary skill is most important(if you can cover the field of course). Which means those who have the better soccer to learn from become the most skilled. This is why little piss ant countries like uruguay(3mill folk) go crazy for soccer because they know there not screwed by demographics.
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You guys are putting your own spin on the meanings of skill and athleticism. The words aren't mutually exclusive and it's often used interchangeably. The fact of the matter is, both sports in their own right require both.
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You guys are putting your own spin on the meanings of skill and athleticism. The words aren't mutually exclusive and it's often used interchangeably. The fact of the matter is, both sports in their own right require both.
Exactly
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You guys are putting your own spin on the meanings of skill and athleticism. The words aren't mutually exclusive and it's often used interchangeably. The fact of the matter is, both sports in their own right require both.
Oh absolutely...it's just that basketball and football require way more of both. :P
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How anyone can argue that being a professional soccer player requires unremarkable athletic ability and is something that 1/100 people around the world can accomplish is beyond me.
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I will leave this here.
La Paz, Bolivia (3,600 meters or 11,811 feet) or in Quito, Ecuador (2,800 meters or 9,186 feet).
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I will leave this here.
La Paz, Bolivia (3,600 meters or 11,811 feet) or in Quito, Ecuador (2,800 meters or 9,186 feet).
??? Not sure what you're getting at here GJJ.
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So if you admit that the US has the best athletes...why is it so hard to comprehend that if they were as enthusiastic about soccer as other countries, those superior would be superior soccer players ?
It is really quite simple. We would have teams with "ronaldos" at every position. Our defensemen would be faster and more agile than your wingmen.
You said it yourself...we have the best athletic pool of everyone......this somehow magically wouldn't translate to Soccer ??
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??? Not sure what you're getting at here GJJ.
High altitude soccer matches.
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You guys are putting your own spin on the meanings of skill and athleticism. The words aren't mutually exclusive and it's often used interchangeably. The fact of the matter is, both sports in their own right require both.
Regardless of the words it's a simple idea. Part of the each sport is genetic ability that your born with. Which also involves reflexes and reaction time btw. The other half is learned or developed over time and from your environment. Like I said a 100 times, americans have a huge advantage when it comes to having natural born athletes because of a population equal to that of western europe. This can't be transfered to soccer because development overrides natural born ability.
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So if you admit that the US has the best athletes...why is it so hard to comprehend that if they were as enthusiastic about soccer as other countries, those superior would be superior soccer players ?
It is really quite simple. We would have teams with "ronaldos" at every position. Our defensemen would be faster and more agile than your wingmen.
You said it yourself...we have the best athletic pool of everyone......this somehow magically wouldn't translate to Soccer ??
It doesn't matter
The best player in the world Messi is 5' 7'' 150lbs
The best player of all time Maradona was 5'5"" 165 lbs
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How anyone can argue that being a professional soccer player requires unremarkable athletic ability and is something that 1/100 people around the world can accomplish is beyond me.
1 in 100 have the potential, where as american sports only 1 in 10000 have the potential. Realizing the potential means years of skill development. The great divide in soccer unlike american sports in not genetics but how you develop. So if you admit that the US has the best athletes...why is it so hard to comprehend that if they were as enthusiastic about soccer as other countries, those superior would be superior soccer players ?
It is really quite simple. We would have teams with "ronaldos" at every position. Our defensemen would be faster and more agile than your wingmen.
You said it yourself...we have the best athletic pool of everyone......this somehow magically wouldn't translate to Soccer ??
Like I said you have the best natural born ability, but this don't carry over to soccer development. Just like in say golf your not gonna say a gulfer got were they at because of genetics it has a lot more with how there developed.
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Well look who they play against.
If they were facing a team full of blazingly fast, strong, agile players they would get owned. Bo Jackson would steal the ball from Maradona and fracture his leg at the same time....then he would score a goal by blasting the ball at 200 mph from mid field while the rest of the mexicans were still in the middle of setting up their defense. Then he would go back to the fallen Maradona and fart in his face
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Well look who they play against.
If they were facing a team full of blazingly fast, strong, agile players they would get owned. Bo Jackson would steal the ball from Maradona and fracture his leg at the same time....then he would score a goal by blasting the ball at 200 mph from mid field while the rest of the mexicans were still in the middle of setting up their defense. Then he would go back to the fallen Maradona and fart in his face
Hahaha
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You are right Payton Manning is better athlete than Cristiano Ronaldo ,LOL.
LMAO so you pick a player who is a skill player and compare him to your most athletic soccer player LMAO
Adrian peterson
Andre johnson
Darren Sproles
Marion Barber
any number of atheletes makes ronaldo look like a little middle schooler... ::)
goodness fuking gracious bro you have your own soccer ppl admitting that football and basketball players are more athletic...
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I will leave this here.
La Paz, Bolivia (3,600 meters or 11,811 feet) or in Quito, Ecuador (2,800 meters or 9,186 feet).
LMAO mile high stadium in denver...
and players get used to playing in thinner air over time...
like I said you have conditioning on us thats it
we run just as fast with a lot more muscle, jump higher, hit harder, cut faster and more times and generally have more atheletic ability than soccer players...
youre an idiot if you think otherwise
ok so you can out run us after 100 yds...you think that makes you a better athelete? LMAO ::) ::) ::)
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1 in 100 have the potential, where as american sports only 1 in 10000 have the potential. Realizing the potential means years of skill development. The great divide in soccer unlike american sports in not genetics but how you develop.
Haha, alright man sounds like you've got it all figured out! You should write a book about this shit.
So then there are millions upon millions of people around the world who have the "potential" to be a professional soccer player, but don't. What are they doing instead, exactly? Too lazy? Would rather punch the clock 9 to 5 making a fraction of the salary? Don't like humping super models? Get real. Soccer is not some unique special magical unicorn that anyone can excel in if they just try hard enough. It's an athletic event that requires supreme athletic ability at the professional and international levels, just like any other team sport. Do you have any idea how many people play soccer worldwide, and what a small minuscule fraction of those people will ever even sniff a World Cup roster? If you grab 100 random assholes off the street odds are none of them could ever become a professional soccer player regardless of "development".
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It doesn't matter
The best player in the world Messi is 5' 7'' 150lbs
The best player of all time Maradona was 5'5"" 165 lbs
Sorry Che. ;)
Pele was elected Athlete of the Century
In claiming the award, Pele beat out a list of Olympic greats including Muhammad Ali and Carl Lewis.
LAUSANNE, Switzerland (AP) -- The world's National Olympics Committees have voted Brazilian soccer star Pele as No. 1 in their top five Athletes of the Century even though he's the only one of the five who didn't take part in the Olympics.
Behind Pele come Muhammad Ali, who won the Olympic light-heavyweight boxing title in 1960 before becoming a heavyweight megastar as a pro, Carl Lewis," full of drugs" who won nine athletics gold medals in four Games between 1984-96, basketball star Michael Jordan, who was among the United States "Dream Team" gold medalists in '92, and Mark Spitz, who won seven swimming titles at the '72 Games at Munich.
The NOCs also listed their top five leaders in sport with Baron Pierre de Coubertin, architect of the modern Olympics and International Olympic Committee president from 1896-1925, as No. 1 ahead of current IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch, who has held the position since 1980.
Former FIFA president Joao Havelange was third ahead of Primo Nebiolo, who was president of the International Amateur Athletic Federation for 18 years until his death last month, and Avery Brundage, IOC president from 1952-72.
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I never saw either of them play but I really don't see how anyone can make a strong case for anyone other than Pele being the best ever.
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Sorry Che. ;)
Pele was elected Athlete of the Century
In claiming the award, Pele beat out a list of Olympic greats including Muhammad Ali and Carl Lewis. AP
LAUSANNE, Switzerland (AP) -- The world's National Olympics Committees have voted Brazilian soccer star Pele as No. 1 in their top five Athletes of the Century even though he's the only one of the five who didn't take part in the Olympics.
Behind Pele come Muhammad Ali, who won the Olympic light-heavyweight boxing title in 1960 before becoming a heavyweight megastar as a pro, Carl Lewis," full of drugs" who won nine athletics gold medals in four Games between 1984-96, basketball star Michael Jordan, who was among the United States "Dream Team" gold medalists in '92, and Mark Spitz, who won seven swimming titles at the '72 Games at Munich.
The NOCs also listed their top five leaders in sport with Baron Pierre de Coubertin, architect of the modern Olympics and International Olympic Committee president from 1896-1925, as No. 1 ahead of current IOC president Juan Antonio Samaranch, who has held the position since 1980.
Former FIFA president Joao Havelange was third ahead of Primo Nebiolo, who was president of the International Amateur Athletic Federation for 18 years until his death last month, and Avery Brundage, IOC president from 1952-72.
Not so fast Gracie ;D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Player_of_the_Century
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Well look who they play against.
If they were facing a team full of blazingly fast, strong, agile players they would get owned. Bo Jackson would steal the ball from Maradona and fracture his leg at the same time....then he would score a goal by blasting the ball at 200 mph from mid field while the rest of the mexicans were still in the middle of setting up their defense. Then he would go back to the fallen Maradona and fart in his face
You've not even listening. Your not evening listening at this point. It don't matter if your stronger or faster, or bigger. People will just play around you. When there ten players spread across a 300 foot field. Each player has over 100 square feet each to avoid faster stronger bigger players. Not to mention the more basic part. That is your knees get destroyed playing soccer. All the flexing, and jolting and straining of your knees is brutal. It's not just like in straight forward running. Because your constantly devoted half your knee to the ball and the other half to running. Your not kicking at direct angles either which means your going against the natural movements of the knee, causing even more damage. That why being over 200 pounds in soccer is a huge liability. There pushing the limit of what your knees can handle.
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I dont think these guys grasp that its a HYPOTHETICAL discussion.
I KNOW that Soccer takes a lot of skill.....but you seriously think that if a guy like Barry Sanders was kicking around a soccer ball since he was 4 years old dreamed of being a Soccer player, he would not be fucking GREAT at it??
Same goes with hundreds upon hundreds of RBs, DBs, strong safties. Players that are between 5'9" and 6'2" and ridiculous physical specimens, IF soccer was their game, it would be lights out. They would do things youve never seen before.
My Bo Jackson story was just fucking around, but thats kinda how it would go
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You've not even listening. Your not evening listening at this point. It don't matter if your stronger or faster, or bigger. People will just play around you. When there ten players spread across a 300 foot field. Each player has over 100 square feet each to avoid faster stronger bigger players. Not to mention the more basic part. That is your knees get destroyed playing soccer. All the flexing, and jolting and straining of your knees is brutal. It's not just like in straight forward running. Because your constantly devoted half your knee to the ball and the other half to running. Your not kicking at direct angles either which means your going against the natural movements of the knee, causing even more damage. That why being over 200 pounds in soccer is a huge liability. There pushing the limit of what your knees can handle.
LMAO all things equal a team that is stronger and faster is going to win against a smaller weaker team...all things equal
and ya b/c football running backs dont cut and juke at all...soccer players dont have 250lb men hitting them in the legs...can you imagine one of those twinks playing a running back in the NFL LMAO ::) ::)
again its clear you know nothing about american football bro...ya soccer is much harder on your knees ::) ::) ::)
show me some soccer videos with as much cutting and running and hitting as these videos...
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I'm listening just fine...I just don't agree.
What do you do when EVERY PLAYER ON THE TEAM is an amazing athhete that can run like the wind and jump over a fucking house ? Because thats what it would be like if Americas BEST athletes played Soccer their whole lives.
Back in the 50's Bob Cousy and Pistol Pete Maravich were the "Pele's" of their sport....considered tbe best players ever.....Then along came Doctor J.....Cousy was renowned for dribbling the ball behind his back, Doctor J could hit the rim with his dick..
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LMAO all things equal a team that is stronger and faster is going to win against a smaller weaker team...all things equal
and ya b/c football running backs dont cut and juke at all...soccer players dont have 250lb men hitting them in the legs...can you imagine one of those twinks playing a running back in the NFL LMAO ::) ::)
again its clear you know nothing about american football bro...ya soccer is much harder on your knees ::) ::) ::)
show me some soccer videos with as much cutting and running and hitting as these videos...
Different sports retard
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LMAO all things equal a team that is stronger and faster is going to win against a smaller weaker team...all things equal
and ya b/c football running backs dont cut and juke at all...soccer players dont have 250lb men hitting them in the legs...can you imagine one of those twinks playing a running back in the NFL LMAO ::) ::)
again its clear you know nothing about american football bro...ya soccer is much harder on your knees ::) ::) ::)
show me some soccer videos with as much cutting and running and hitting as these videos...
The difference is soccer athletes can't afford damage to there knees. Of course NFL players get destroyed thats part of what makes they great athletes. In soccer it destorys your abittle to make hundreds of contacts with the ball during a game.
Groink you just don't get it faster and more endurance don't get you there. A player like david beckham didn't get there because he tore on field. He got there because he could get a ball in the net, over the heads of much faster and agile defenders.
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Different sports retard
I agree you numb nut FUCK thats why I said all things being equal
so a team that is stronger and faster isnt going to beat a team that is smaller and weaker if everything else is equal?
and also LMAO if you think soccer is harder on your knees than football
in soccer your knees are protected in football there are no rules about hitting the guy with the ball below the knees other than the QB and that only if he is in the pocket... ::) ::) ::)
your atheletes are so sub par compared to ours its not even funny...
again if one soccer team has stronger and faster guys than the other and everything else is equal(teamwork, endurance, skill etc...) who is going to win???
now who sports have better atheletes... ::)
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The difference is soccer athletes can't afford damage to there knees. Of course NFL players get destroyed thats part of what makes they great athletes. In soccer it destorys your abittle to make hundreds of contacts with the ball during a game.
Groink you just don't get it faster and more endurance don't get you there. A player like david beckham didn't get there because he tore on field. He got there because he could get a ball in the net, over the heads of much faster and agile defenders.
and what NFL players can afford to damage their knees? ::) ::) ::)
face it football players make more and faster cuts than soccer players and have ppl hitting them in the knees while they are doing it but you still think soccer is harder on your knees?
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Exactly Tonymctones...Its like saying a team of adults that are skilled soccer players wouldnt beat a team of 14 year olds that are skilled soccer players.
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and what NFL players can afford to damage their knees? ::) ::) ::)
face it football players make more and faster cuts than soccer players and have ppl hitting them in the knees while they are doing it but you still think soccer is harder on your knees?
Did you watch that video retard
Watch the free kicks on this one you can't teach that
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LMAO mile high stadium in denver...
and players get used to playing in thinner air over time...
like I said you have conditioning on us thats it
we run just as fast with a lot more muscle, jump higher, hit harder, cut faster and more times and generally have more atheletic ability than soccer players...
youre an idiot if you think otherwise
ok so you can out run us after 100 yds...you think that makes you a better athelete? LMAO ::) ::) ::)
How high is the mile stadium?
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You've not even listening. Your not evening listening at this point. It don't matter if your stronger or faster, or bigger. People will just play around you. When there ten players spread across a 300 foot field. Each player has over 100 square feet each to avoid faster stronger bigger players. Not to mention the more basic part. That is your knees get destroyed playing soccer. All the flexing, and jolting and straining of your knees is brutal. It's not just like in straight forward running. Because your constantly devoted half your knee to the ball and the other half to running. Your not kicking at direct angles either which means your going against the natural movements of the knee, causing even more damage. That why being over 200 pounds in soccer is a huge liability. There pushing the limit of what your knees can handle.
If players have 100sq ft to avoid faster stronger players, then what happens when the faster stronger players have the ball? They have 100 sq ft in which nobody is going to catch them, hence bigger faster player gets way more open shots on goal.
Begin back peddling by all means.
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If players have 100sq ft to avoid faster stronger players, then what happens when the faster stronger players have the ball? They have 100 sq ft in which nobody is going to catch them, hence bigger faster player gets way more open shots on goal.
Begin back peddling by all means.
Haha
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Did you watch that video retard
Watch the free kicks on this one you can't teach that
impressive i will say but again a sub par athelete...every once in a while every sport has a player that transcends the possible...this seems to be your guy kinda like jordan was for basketball...they seem to get the game on a different level than others thats not to say that this is just a european or south american phenomena...if the US played soccer long enough they would also get a player like this and AGAIN THE US HAS BETTTEERRRRR AAATTTHHHHHEEELLLLEEETTT EESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
you still havent answered the question...
if all things are equal who wins the stronger and faster team or the weaker and slower team?
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How high is the mile stadium?
LOL did you seriously just ask that question???
its a mile above sea level and youre still missing the point
ive already conceded you have better endurance but that is the only thing...that doesnt make you a better athelete... ::) ::) ::)
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Excellent point Taco.....and to add.....What do you do when the guy on the right and left of him are just as fast and agile ?? It wouldn't just be one guy that is fast, like it is now. EVERYBODY would be a great athlete.
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LOL did you seriously just ask that question???
its a mile above sea level and youre still missing the point
ive already conceded you have better endurance but that is the only thing...that doesnt make you a better athelete... ::) ::) ::)
Do you the difference between meters and feet?
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impressive i will say but again a sub par athelete...every once in a while every sport has a player that transcends the possible...this seems to be your guy kinda like jordan was for basketball...they seem to get the game on a different level than others thats not to say that this is just a european or south american phenomena...if the US played soccer long enough they would also get a player like this and AGAIN THE US HAS BETTTEERRRRR AAATTTHHHHHEEELLLLEEETTT EESSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
you still havent answered the question...
if all things are equal who wins the stronger and faster team or the weaker and slower team?
Doesn't matter ,today a team with small and weak players (Chile) beat a team with stronger and faster players (Switzerland).
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Do you the difference between meters and feet?
most certainly do...
do you know the difference between conditioning and athleticism?
so by your logic the Ethiopian long distance runners are the best athletes in the world... ::) ::) ::) you dim wit twit :D
again being able to run a longer distance doesnt make you a better athlete...we are stronger and just as fast, jump higher, hit harder and are generally all around better athletes than soccer players...
DEAL WITH IT...others on here who love soccer admit it and its time you stop being so ignorant
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Doesn't matter ,today a team with small and weak players (Chile) beat a team with stronger and faster players (Switzerland).
where all things equal or was one team a better team???
your not answering the question if chile played chile but one version have 20lbs more muscle than their counter parts and were faster...which team would win the weak/slow team or the fast/strong team?
I understand you not wanting to answer the question but you know the truth
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where all things equal or was one team a better team???
your not answering the question if chile played chile but one version have 20lbs more muscle than their counter parts and were faster...which team would win the weak/slow team or the fast/strong team?
I understand you not wanting to answer the question but you know the truth
Muscle and speed have nothing to do with soccer ,get it ,average soccer player is 5'8 - 5'9'' 165 lbs for a reason.
I'm out
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True Che....but to be fair they are all a bunch of fairies compared to the American Negroe :D
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True Che....but to be fair they are all a bunch of fairies compared to the American Negroe :D
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True Che....but to be fair they are all a bunch of fairies compared to the American Negroe :D
I agree ;D
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If players have 100sq ft to avoid faster stronger players, then what happens when the faster stronger players have the ball? They have 100 sq ft in which nobody is going to catch them, hence bigger faster player gets way more open shots on goal.
Begin back peddling by all means.
Ain't buying it. If your up against a faster team you play possesion. You have the ball the majority of time. Even if you get an attempt at the net, your just gonna have a tighter defense the next time you get the ball. Just watch some games and you can see, the skilled players just playing the ball around the speedy, until there tired and the game becomes equal. Then the skilled player got loads of energy to make some goals. Now all things being equal of course the speedy will win. But americans won't be equal for atleast 40 years, and that would mean diverting alot of the best out of the big three. This isn't my opinion anyone that plays soccer will tell you this.
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most certainly do...
do you know the difference between conditioning and athleticism?
so by your logic the Ethiopian long distance runners are the best athletes in the world... ::) ::) ::) you dim wit twit :D
again being able to run a longer distance doesnt make you a better athlete...we are stronger and just as fast, jump higher, hit harder and are generally all around better athletes than soccer players...
DEAL WITH IT...others on here who love soccer admit it and its time you stop being so ignorant
Are you sure?
La Paz, Bolivia (3,600 meters or 11,811 feet) or in Quito, Ecuador (2,800 meters or 9,186 feet).
At nearly 14,000 feet a.s.l. (twice as high as Denver)
Mile High Stadium 5,280 feet than at sea level.
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Are you sure?
La Paz, Bolivia (3,600 meters or 11,811 feet) or in Quito, Ecuador (2,800 meters or 9,186 feet).
At nearly 14,000 feet a.s.l. (twice as high as Denver)
Mile High Stadium 5,280 feet than at sea level.
LMAO where did I say it was just as high my point was to show you that football players play at high altitudes as well... ::) ::)
again so its your contention that having more endurance makes you a better athlete?
dumb ass mother fuker!!!!
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Muscle and speed have nothing to do with soccer ,get it ,average soccer player is 5'8 - 5'9'' 165 lbs for a reason.
I'm out
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LMAO yes speed has nothing to do with soccer ::) ::) ::) nit wit...
I agree with you but again they are sub par athletes compared to basketball and football players...whos going to have the better advantage with a header the 5'9" guy or the 6'5" guy?
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LMAO where did I say it was just as high my point was to show you that football players play at high altitudes as well... ::) ::)
again so its your contention that having more endurance makes you a better athlete?
dumb ass mother fuker!!!!
Dude you're so stupid don't even know the difference between meters and feet.
And i asked you if you knew it, and you said" most certainly do.."
Soccer players are training and playing soccer at 14,000 feet.
Who is the ignorant now?
Thanks for playing. please stop melting.
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Dude you're so stupid don't even no the difference between meters and feet.
And i asked you if you knew it, and you said" most certainly do.."
Soccer players are training and playing soccer at 14,000 feet.
Who is the ignorant now?
Thanks for playing. please stop melting.
LMAO how do you figure b/c i said mile high stadium...did i ever say it was just as high? NOOOO
so what if soccer players are training and playing at 14000 feet does that make them better athletes? why?
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What the fuck does playing at altitude have to do with athletic ablility ?
Any human being on earth would adapt to that over time.....dumbass statement
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What the fuck does playing at altitude have to do with athletic ablility ?
Any human being on earth would adapt to that over time.....dumbass statement
LMAO EXACTLY...
I think that he is trying to say that they have more endurance so that makes them better athletes but with his logic the ethiopian long distance runners are the best athletes on earth ;D hhahahha
is that what youre implying gracie?
I dont think he will come clarify for us b/c he knows its ignorant as shit...
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LMAO how do you figure b/c i said mile high stadium...did i ever say it was just as high? NOOOO
so what if soccer players are training and playing at 14000 feet does that make them better athletes? why?
Here again do the math.
La Paz, Bolivia (3,600 meters or 11,811 feet) or in Quito, Ecuador (2,800 meters or 9,186 feet).
At nearly 14,000 feet a.s.l. (twice as high as Denver)
Mile High Stadium 5,280 feet than at sea level.
That's for me to know and you to find out.
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Colorado is a s##thole. lived there 2 yrs, will never go back again in this life time. f##k the thin air, snow, dry ashy skin and personality people. one of the worthless states in north america.
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Here again do the math.
La Paz, Bolivia (3,600 meters or 11,811 feet) or in Quito, Ecuador (2,800 meters or 9,186 feet).
At nearly 14,000 feet a.s.l. (twice as high as Denver)
Mile High Stadium 5,280 feet than at sea level.
That's for me to know and you to find out.
show me where I said mile high stadium is as high as the others you posted you dim wit twit...
of course you wont tell us why b/c it doesnt MEAN SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
soccer is played by your premier athletes who are the US's 6th or 7th tier athletes at best...
FUKING DEAL WITH IT.....
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LMAO EXACTLY...
I think that he is trying to say that they have more endurance so that makes them better athletes but with his logic the ethiopian long distance runners are the best athletes on earth ;D hhahahha
is that what youre implying gracie?
I dont think he will come clarify for us b/c he knows its ignorant as shit...
First of all..we are talking about soccer, basketball and football. just because your ass got pwn3d. don't try to bring runners to the subject. oh!! yes the runners are the best endurance athletes.
I can clarify you this. thank me later. ;)
1 foot = 12 inches
1 meter = roughly 39 inches
1 meter is just over 3 feet
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First of all..we are talking about soccer, basketball and football. just because your ass got pwn3d. don't try to bring runners to the subject. oh!! yes the runners are the best endurance athletes.
I can clarify you this. thank me later. ;)
1 foot = 12 inches
1 meter = roughly 39 inches
1 meter is just over 3 feet
LOL knew that but thanks for the refresher... ::)
so why is it relevant to the soccer/basketball/football conversation that soccer players play at high altitudes?
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show me where I said mile high stadium is as high as the others you posted you dim wit twit...
of course you wont tell us why b/c it doesnt MEAN SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
soccer is played by your premier athletes who are the US's 6th or 7th tier athletes at best...
FUKING DEAL WITH IT.....
Here.
Quote from: tonymctones on Today at 06:57:10 PM
LMAO mile high stadium in denver...
and players get used to playing in thinner air over time...
like I said you have conditioning on us thats it
we run just as fast with a lot more muscle, jump higher, hit harder, cut faster and more times and generally have more atheletic ability than soccer players...
youre an idiot if you think otherwise
ok so you can out run us after 100 yds...you think that makes you a better athelete? LMAO Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Here.
Quote from: tonymctones on Today at 06:57:10 PM
LMAO mile high stadium in denver...
and players get used to playing in thinner air over time...
like I said you have conditioning on us thats it
we run just as fast with a lot more muscle, jump higher, hit harder, cut faster and more times and generally have more atheletic ability than soccer players...
youre an idiot if you think otherwise
ok so you can out run us after 100 yds...you think that makes you a better athelete? LMAO Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
thank you for showing that i never said they played at as high of altitudes as soccer players ;)
now in the realm of the soccer/football/basketball conversation why is it relevant that soccer players play at high altitudes?
come on bro your just proving me right again...
I dont think he will come clarify for us b/c he knows its ignorant as shit...
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The standard measure of cardio-vascular fitness it the 12 minute run. Basically whoever covers a greater distance within 12 minutes has the more superior level of cardio fitness. And I guaran-goddamn-tee that basketball players would own soccer players. And what's up wit callin' golfers athletes? LOL
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Soccer would be better with a few tweaks.
Like letting the players pick up the ball with their hands to advance it more effectively......and instead of trying to kick it to each other, maybe throw it and catch it.....rather than looking like an incompetent asshole running around in circles chasing a ball.
That would be a pretty good sport, we have something like that here in the states
gator ball
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You are not chasing the player you are chasing the ball. It ius easy to tackle a player, it is hard to tackle the ball.
Therefore it is much harder to be physically more dominating and use that extra speed, strength and aggression.
E.g Bo Jacksons speed would be fantastic in chasing a player and ATTEMPTING to tackle him. All a football player has to do when faced with Bo Jackson sprinting full speed at him is to pass the ball.
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the small yellow asians have just defeated the dark jungle blacks in an athletic competition in a fight to the finish!!!
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the small yellow asians have just defeated the dark jungle blacks in an athletic competition in a fight to the finish!!!
Most of the African players live in the cities...just a FYI...
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Most of the African players live in the cities...just a FYI...
i know, i was just making a sensationalist generalization
most of them probably live in europe and have more money than i ever will haha
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i know, i was just making a sensationalist generalization
most of them probably live in europe and have more money than i ever will haha
I think something like 17 of the 23 players on Algeria were born in France. :o
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right.....pass the ball to a player that is being defensed by ANOTHER guy who is much bigger, stronger, faster and more agile. Like I said...it's all hypothetical, but the sheer athletic prowess across the board would overwhelm players who are completely overmatched physically. We would beat you to every loose ball, and be all over you like flies on shit when it came to defense, you cant outrun ANY of us....our defenders would be faster than your wingmen, and our wingmen would just leave your fastest guys like they were standing still
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i know, i was just making a sensationalist generalization
most of them probably live in europe and have more money than i ever will haha
Yeah, and since Nigeria and S. Korea are tied (as of right now?), I'm willing the dudes who are supposed to be working on oil rigs in Nigeria are too busy watching
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right.....pass the ball to a player that is being defensed by ANOTHER guy who is much bigger, stronger, faster and more agile. Like I said...it's all hypothetical, but the sheer athletic prowess across the board would overwhelm players who are completely overmatched physically. We would beat you to every loose ball, and be all over you like flies on shit when it came to defense, you cant outrun ANY of us....our defenders would be faster than your wingmen, and our wingmen would just leave your fastest guys like they were standing still
It's hilarious that they're even denying that when I've heard the commentators (former soccer pros) talk about a physically stronger player winning a challenge for a ball or controlling a certain part of the field in almost every game I've watched. But apparently athleticism doesn't mean anything in soccer on Getbig. ::)
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right.....pass the ball to a player that is being defensed by ANOTHER guy who is much bigger, stronger, faster and more agile. Like I said...it's all hypothetical, but the sheer athletic prowess across the board would overwhelm players who are completely overmatched physically. We would beat you to every loose ball, and be all over you like flies on shit when it came to defense, you cant outrun ANY of us....our defenders would be faster than your wingmen, and our wingmen would just leave your fastest guys like they were standing still
yet a bunch of asian twinks just beat a team of physically superior bigger stronger faster African athletes
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yet a bunch of asian twinks just beat a team of physically superior bigger stronger faster African athletes
Don't forget the Argentine twinks beat the Greek studs .
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yet a bunch of asian twinks just beat a team of physically superior bigger stronger faster African athletes
I saw parts of that game....I'm trying to see what all the hype is with Soccer.
The blacks were skinny twinks just like the Asians, they are no comparison to American Negroes.
who's the best player in soccer right now, that Ronaldo guy? Just imagine if Adrian Peterson played Soccer his whole life....no contest. he would jump over Ronaldo and keep going.
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Just imagine if Adrian Peterson played Soccer his whole life.
He would be a 6'1'' 170lbs twink.
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I saw parts of that game....I'm trying to see what all the hype is with Soccer.
The blacks were skinny twinks just like the Asians, they are no comparison to American Negroes.
who's the best player in soccer right now, that Ronaldo guy? Just imagine if Adrian Peterson played Soccer his whole life....no contest. he would jump over Ronaldo and keep going.
ability to control the ball, and put it accurately where you need it to go is completely independent from how much of a 'beast' you are. peterson could beat the shit out of any of these guys but whether or not he could develop the skills to succeed in soccer is a different matter
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mexico lost.
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ability to control the ball, and put it accurately where you need it to go is completely independent from how much of a 'beast' you are. peterson could beat the shit out of any of these guys but whether or not he could develop the skills to succeed in soccer is a different matter
peterson would be no better than eddie johnson or freddie adu stateside.
bush n peterson from childhood usa still NOT ronaldinho.
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peterson would be no better than eddie johnson or freddie adu stateside.
bush n peterson from childhood usa still NOT ronaldinho.
He is the only player that had a chance to be compared with Maradona ,problem is that he didn't have a heart .
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He is the only player that had a chance to be compared with Maradona ,problem is that he didn't have a heart .
i wouldnt debate you on that. if he stayed focus over his career like his label mate, michael jordan, at nike...who knows what he would have become?
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ability to control the ball, and put it accurately where you need it to go is completely independent from how much of a 'beast' you are. peterson could beat the shit out of any of these guys but whether or not he could develop the skills to succeed in soccer is a different matter
right...because Soccer is a "magic" sport and the best pure athletes in the world wouldn't be any good at it if it was their favorite sport ::)
The guys who play Soccer in America now are scrubs who weren't any good at the other sports...and they still are a competent team.
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i wouldnt debate you on that. if he stayed focus over his career like his label mate, michael jordan, at nike...who knows what he would have become?
Yes , skillwise top two player of all time .
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I know i will never be big enough or strong enough to compete in the national football league.. And i will never have the bat speed to hit a fast ball.. but i think if i work out hard this next 3 summers i might have a chance to get a start on a futbol team for the next world cup?
How many kicks would i need to average to get my kicking let in shape.?? now take it i have not played kick ball since elementary school 27 years ago
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I know i will never be big enough or strong enough to compete in the national football league.. And i will never have the bat speed to hit a fast ball.. but i think if i work out hard this next 3 summers i might have a chance to get a start on a futbol team for the next world cup?
How many kicks would i need to average to get my kicking let in shape.?? now take it i have not played kick ball since elementary school 27 years ago
I think you have very good chances .
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Well!! since being fit makes you a better athlete.
Here we go.
An average male’s VO2max is typically 40mL.kg.min, soccer players have between 51-62mL.kg.min.
Football player 45 ml/kg/min.
One more thing.
Lets not talk about violence and strength , since American football is a sissified version of rugby with full armor padding.
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right...because Soccer is a "magic" sport and the best pure athletes in the world wouldn't be any good at it if it was their favorite sport ::)
The guys who play Soccer in America now are scrubs who weren't any good at the other sports...and they still are a competent team.
i'm cuban and played north american football in south and was pretty dope SS...as they say. most people b###h about baseball players not being good athletes but i played with guys that were dual with baseball being first. that being said....i didnt see a lot of soccer but i'd say just from watching eddie johnson he could make cut/grade as CB. i'm assuming you where All-American everything were you were from. ::)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Eddie_Johnson.jpg/180px-Eddie_Johnson.jpg)
very good all around athlete.
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Well!! since being fit makes you a better athlete.
Here we go.
An average male’s VO2max is typically 40mL.kg.min, soccer players have between 51-62mL.kg.min.
Football player 45 ml/kg/min.
One more thing.
Lets not talk about violence and strength , since American football is a sissified version of rugby with full armor padding.
fitness is a relative term
fit for what?
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fitness is a relative term
fit for what?
To perform,to have a good health or to no die from a heart attack.
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i'm cuban and played north american football in south and was pretty dope SS...as they say. most people b###h about baseball players not being good athletes but i played with guys that were dual with baseball being first. that being said....i didnt see a lot of soccer but i'd say just from watching eddie johnson he could make cut/grade as CB. i'm assuming you where All-American everything were you were from. ::)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Eddie_Johnson.jpg/180px-Eddie_Johnson.jpg)
very good all around athlete.
What the fuck does my athletic ability have to do with anything?
You never fail to post convoluted nonsense that only makes sense to you
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Well!! since being fit makes you a better athlete.
Here we go.
An average male’s VO2max is typically 40mL.kg.min, soccer players have between 51-62mL.kg.min.
Football player 45 ml/kg/min.
One more thing.
Lets not talk about violence and strength , since American football is a sissified version of rugby with full armor padding.
Awesome skewed stats to show a lack of understanding of football. You can't say the 'average' football player because the game is too multifaceted, so you would be taking the average of a lighning ace rb/db against a 375 lb lineman.
Not too hard to see why you're such a fan of kickball.
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What the fuck does my athletic ability have to do with anything?
You never fail to post convoluted nonsense that only makes sense to you
nice shot back back...jacka$$. standard reply when you are wrong. anyway...steve nash is nba hall of fame and has experience in euro football but said he couldnt make the cut on a premier club let alone a national team.
i know it's important to always be right on getbig. ::)
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nice shot back back...jacka$$. standard reply when you are wrong. anyway...steve nash is nba hall of fame and has experience in euro football but said he couldnt make the cut on a premier club let alone a national team.
i know it's important to always be right on getbig. ::)
I don't think NBA players would be great soccer players dipshit.
I said NFL players.
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Go USA
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I don't think NBA players would be great soccer players dipshit.
I said NFL players.
now nba players are dogs##t when some have north american football backgrounds also. make up your mind. so only nfl has athletes now. what position you played?
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What is the average VO2 max of basketball players?
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now nba players are dogs##t when some have north american football backgrounds also. make up your mind. so only nfl has athletes now. what position you played?
i made up my mind from my first post, dickless
I said "NFL safeties, rb's and DBs would kill european soccer players"...comprehend much ??
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If only these Europens fought as hard in WAR as they do in trying to defend futbol as a sport we wouldn't need to be sending our young kids to stand up and fight for these weak euro men when they fall to the floor as if they are beggin the ref for a yellow post-it pad note
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i played with guys
:o
who's the best player in soccer right now, that Ronaldo guy? Just imagine if Adrian Peterson played Soccer his whole life....no contest. he would jump over Ronaldo and keep going.
This guy is generally considered the world's best right now (Lionel Messi, of Argentina):
Nigeria had some great chances to score at the end today, they really should have won that game.
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This guy is generally considered the world's best right now (Lionel Messi, of Argentina):
Messi is a genius...and i do mean genius, the type of player that comes along once in a generation I can genuinely say that I feel happy knowing I've been old enough to see a player like him, having been a little too young to really remember much of maradonna, and i say that as an england fan knowing he's argentinian and therefore a total dick ;D
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All I really remember of Maradona was him getting suspended in 199...4? for using ephedra or something.
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All I really remember of Maradona was him getting suspended in 199...4? for using ephedra or something.
try cocaine bro!! For maradonna you gotta go back to 1986 when he singled handedly (including using his fucking hand against us) tore every team apart and won the world cup, basically by himself.
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try cocaine bro!! For maradonna you gotta go back to 1986 when he singled handedly (including using his fucking hand against us) tore every team apart and won the world cup, basically by himself.
I know he had a huge coke addiction but he was actually suspended for ephedrine in 1994 (at least that was the official line, who knows what he really did).
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I know he had a huge coke addiction but he was actually suspended for ephedrine 1994 (at least that was the official line, who knows what he really did).
Actually was ripped fuel
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Actually was ripped fuel
Ripped fuel was ephedra back then...
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Olympic weightlifting is a sport that requires tremendous skill, technique, strength, power and speed. In fact it has the fastest sports movement and they develop the most power of any other sport. Americans should be dominating that sport.
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If england looses today again, People are goona die because their hooligans are gonna be PISSED lol
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Well!! since being fit makes you a better athlete.
Here we go.
An average male’s VO2max is typically 40mL.kg.min, soccer players have between 51-62mL.kg.min.
Football player 45 ml/kg/min.
One more thing.
Lets not talk about violence and strength , since American football is a sissified version of rugby with full armor padding.
so by your dumb ass logic ethiopian long distance runners are the best athletes in the world? Fuking idiot ::) ::) ::)
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england is looking good again!
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so by your dumb ass logic ethiopian long distance runners are the best athletes in the world? Fuking idiot ::) ::) ::)
The problem is , we are not arguing about who is the most fit athlete in the world.
We are arguing about who is the most fit athlete soccer players or football players.
Read the whole topic again please. and pay extra attention to pages 13 an 14.
Dude i pwn3d your ass the other day in 2 different topics, at the same time.
Guess you need more, ;) bitches they always need more.
Here you should always keep this with you.
1 foot = 12 inches
1 meter = roughly 39 inches
1 meter is just over 3 feet
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The problem is , we are not arguing about who is the most fit athlete in the world.
We are arguing about who is the most fit athlete soccer players or football players.
Read the whole topic again please. and pay extra attention to pages 13 an 14.
Dude i pwn3d your ass the other day in 2 different topics, at the same time.
Guess you need more, ;) bitches they always need more.
Here you should always keep this with you.
1 foot = 12 inches
1 meter = roughly 39 inches
1 meter is just over 3 feet
Go USA!
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The problem is , we are not arguing about who is the most fit athlete in the world.
We are arguing about who is the most fit athlete soccer players or football players.
Read the whole topic again please. and pay extra attention to pages 13 an 14.
Dude i pwn3d your ass the other day in 2 different topics, at the same time.
Guess you need more, ;) bitches they always need more.
Here you should always keep this with you.
1 foot = 12 inches
1 meter = roughly 39 inches
1 meter is just over 3 feet
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LMFAO so you dont think the NFL players VO2 would go up if they started training like soccer players? dip shit ::) ::) ::)
face it soccer players are sub par athletes, by your logic marathon runners are better athletes than soccer players b/c they have a higher VO2 max...fuking moron
oh ya our 8th tier athletes just made it through the first round...
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LMFAO so you dont think the NFL players VO2 would go up if they started training like soccer players? dip shit ::) ::) ::)
face it soccer players are sub par athletes, by your logic marathon runners are better athletes than soccer players b/c they have a higher VO2 max...fuking moron
oh ya our 8th tier athletes just made it through the first round...
First of all, check this out.
1 foot = 12 inches
1 meter = roughly 39 inches
1 meter is just over 3 feet
Your conclusions must be coming out of your ass. "must be the meltdown effect" ;D
Take a deep breath, stop melting there's no reason for that. :-*
I never said that nfl players would be better players if they started training like soccer players.
And if you read the topic again , you will notice this.
Quote from: GRACIE JIU-JITSU on June 21, 2010, 08:49:36 PM
First of all..we are talking about soccer, basketball and football. just because your ass got pwn3d. don't try to bring runners to the subject. oh!! yes the runners are the best endurance athletes.
I can clarify you this. thank me later. Wink
1 foot = 12 inches
1 meter = roughly 39 inches
1 meter is just over 3 feet
Warning you are about to be pwn3d, again.
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VO2max is a terrible metric for performance even in distance running.
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You confused Black with African. In the UK blacks are africans. In the USA they are 5 or 6 generations removed from africa. Were bread as slaves and the strongest survived and were bread with other strong slaves. There's a reason why the average Black in north america is stronger, leaner, more muscular than the average off the boat african.
If the majority of NFL, NBA and NHL athletes decided to play soccer the USA would win every world cup. You don't think that NFL running backs have good feet? LaDanian Tomlinson can out run and fake out anyone in the world cup. Darren sproles, the same. Guys like this can dance around any fool then blow them away in any sprint. Who the fuck in the world cup would catch Chris Johnson on a break away? Chris johnson dances through lineman that can crush any soccer player. You are speaking out of your ass comparing soccer players to real athletes. Maybe compare soccer players to chess or billiards players for a fair comparison.
sorry to drag the thread back a bit...this aint true at all, most black people in britain are of caribbean decent, africans only started coming in the last twenty odd years...so all the genetic monsters that survived in the slave trade (according to the theory of get big) made their way into britain as well. Hence since black players have been in the game in britain for over thirty years, i highly doubt theres much an african american would offer that might change the current skill levels. Look at all our top sprinters, all of caribbean decent, same with our top black footballers...apart from ade akinbayi (and he was properly shit)
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It's kind of a moot point because a lot of "Caribbean blacks" were African slaves brought over by the Europeans starting around 1500. The indigenous folks were more similar to Native Americans than Africans.
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Jamaica is full of world class athletes but they suck at soccer .
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The American football comparisons are very silly. American footballers participate in a sport rife with drugs and don't have to have any sort of cardio compared to most sports. The smaller guys would weigh about 40lb less in soccer and the linebackers and the bigger defensive guys wouldn't be suited. The talent pool in Soccer consists of every country bar America. Soccer is also a game where skill is far more important than physical attributes. Pele, Cruyff, Maradona, Beckenbauer, Platini, Puskus, Best, et cetera were all small guys, a lot of the greatest players were under 5'9...
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Jamaica is full of world class athletes but they suck at soccer .
They are only good at bobsledding
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They are only good at bobsledding
you sure about that? 37.10 insane time
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'Futball' in America suffers greatly because of the American media. The American media doesn't push soccer because the format is inconveinent to their marketing policies. 45 minutes of commercial free entertainment distracts from the narrative that Americans must be sold or have their attention diverted every 3-5 minutes.
The American populace must be constantly disctracted from their meaningless materialistic lives by the constant selling of "new" and "better" things you must stay in debt to buy.
Debt = Slavery
Events that could cause Americans to look outside of their narrow world view or perhaps engage others cultures in the world are deemed dangerous to American interests by the elites here. If the American public (the only force in the world that can change American foriegn policy) began to meet and engage other peoples there is a chance that a sympthatic "world view" might take hold. That change in perspective from the "greatest country under god on earth" mantra continously drummed into Joe Sixpack's head would spell the end of the currently unbalanced and ecologically unsound American policies as they relate to the world.
That's all it is boys.
There is no enemy anywhere - Lao Tse
Amongst lots and lots of drivel, this post has been lost. Well said. American sports is about entertainment and commercialism, not about the game itself. You go to the sporting event, whatever it may be, looking to be entertained, eat a hotdog and take in as much marketing as possible. In Europe, its not just about entertainment, it means much more than that and that's why I hope America stays away from 'soccer', we've seen what happens when Americans get involved - Manchester United and Liverpool FC. Both crippled with debt and interest repayments due to leveraged buyouts from American corporate bastards.
Onto FIFA rankings, anyone citing this to give substance to any point is absolutely clueless, no-one really acknowledges these rankings as they are meaningless. They account for friendlies, jesus. USA vs Barbados -- WIN! ++ Points! ::)
People talking about how softly players gone down and calling them pussys, they obviously aren't hurt but are 'cheating' to get the other player booked/sent off, are you really that dense?
Freddy Adu, the American boy wonder signing an MLS contract at 14 -- all the hype. Comes over to Europe and where is he now? Rotting away on loan to some third rate team in Greece. Brilliant.