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U.S. agency's action may kill Bucyrus deal, cost 1,000 jobs
Export-Import Bank denies loan guarantees for coal project in India
By Rick Barrett of the Journal Sentinel
Posted: June 26, 2010 |(67) Comments
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Up to 1,000 jobs at Bucyrus International Inc. and its suppliers could be in jeopardy as the result of a decision by the U.S. Export-Import Bank, funded by Congress, to deny several hundred million dollars in loan guarantees to a coal-fired power plant and mine in India.
About 300 of those jobs are at the Bucyrus plant in South Milwaukee, where the company has 1,410 employees and its headquarters. The remaining jobs are spread across 13 states, including Illinois, Minnesota and Indiana.
On Thursday, the Export-Import Bank denied financing for Reliance Power Ltd., an Indian power plant company, effectively wiping out about $600&enspmillion in coal mining equipment sales for Bucyrus, chief executive Tim Sullivan said.
The fossil fuel project was the first to come before the government-run bank since it adopted a climate-change policy to settle a lawsuit and to meet Obama administration directives.
"President Obama has made clear his administration's commitment to transition away from high-carbon investments and toward a cleaner-energy future," Export-Import Bank Chairman Fred Hochberg said in a statement. "After careful deliberation, the Export-Import Bank board voted not to proceed with this project because of the projected adverse environmental impact."
The bank's decision is puzzling, Sullivan said, because the power plant will meet international standards and the bank's environmental criteria.
The plant is under construction in Sasan, central India, and is scheduled to be up and running in 2012. Coal mining will take place for the plant whether it's done with Bucyrus machines or equipment from China and Belarus, Sullivan said.
"Unless the Obama administration jumps all over this and corrects a wrong fairly quickly, I am confident this business is going elsewhere," Sullivan told the Journal Sentinel on Saturday.
"The bank's decision has had no impact on global carbon emissions but has cost the U.S. nearly 1,000 jobs," he added.
The Export-Import Bank would not elaborate on the board's 2-1 vote - including Hochberg's - to deny the loan guarantees.
The U.S. State and Treasury departments recommended against making the loan guarantees. Neither agency could be reached for comment Saturday.
Political backlash
Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle and Sen. Herb Kohl, Republican Rep. Paul Ryan and Mayor Tom Barrett, the Democratic candidate for governor, voiced their objections to the Export-Import Bank decision, which may be irreversible since there isn't an appeals process.
Doyle said he met with Hochberg to stress the importance of the mining equipment sale, which was contingent on the loan guarantees, for sustaining jobs here.
"I was absolutely stunned by their decision. It was the most shortsighted, unconscionable decision you could imagine, and I can't see any justification for it," the governor said.
Doyle said he hopes the bank's decision can be reversed before India turns to China or Belarus for mining equipment.
The decision could set a precedent that would keep other nations from buying U.S. mining equipment, especially since China offers discount financing on machines built there, which puts the U.S. at a competitive disadvantage.
"My discussions with the bank chairman were hardly confidence-building," Doyle said. "They really could not justify their decision except somehow, somebody told them that if the word coal is anywhere in a plan, then they can't move forward with it."
Obama is scheduled to be in Racine on Wednesday.
Doyle said he wants to meet with the president and urge him to ask the Export-Import Bank to reconsider its decision.
"I am a green-energy guy," Doyle said. "But I also understand that we need coal as a major source of energy. What that means is, we need to develop and support the technologies and businesses that are involved in the production of energy from clean coal. Bucyrus is one of those businesses."
Barrett, too, said he would press the issue with Obama.
"By rejecting the Bucyrus proposal, the bank has guaranteed companies who care little for carbon emissions in Russia or China will get these jobs. These are the common-sense arguments I will make to the bank to reverse this awful decision. And they are points I'll personally share with the president when he is in Wisconsin this week," Barrett added.
Ryan said he was angered by the "slippery explanation" given by the Export-Import Bank for denying the loan guarantees.
"This is an ominous preview of the economic damage from Washington's environmental overreach. Should they fail to overturn this decision, the administration is sending a clear signal to the Midwest that political ideology is a higher priority than the livelihoods of Wisconsin families," Ryan said.
Kohl said he has met with federal officials about the loan guarantees.
"It is surprising and disappointing that, in this difficult economy, the bank passed on this opportunity to create good-paying jobs. While I am aware of the environmental concerns, denying this deal doesn't prevent a coal power plant from being built. It only ensures that the jobs connected to it are not American," Kohl said in an e-mail.
Environmental lawsuit
Environmentalists praised the Export-Import Bank's decision Saturday, saying it should not support coal-fired power plants.
"Coal is the dirtiest form of energy that exists. There is no such thing as 'clean coal,'&ensp" said Oliver Bernstein, spokesman for the Sierra Club, based in San Francisco.
Sierra Club is active in India, working to support solar power and green energy.
"Green technology is the fastest way to help the environment and create jobs that will last," Bernstein said.
The bank's decision has its roots in a 2002 lawsuit filed in federal court in San Francisco by Friends of the Earth, Greenpeace and four cities claiming they would suffer environmental and economic damage from global climate change.
The plaintiffs alleged the Export-Import Bank and the Overseas Private Investment Corp. provided more than $32&enspbillion in financing and loan guarantees for fossil fuel projects over 10 years without studying their impact on global warming or the environment as required by the National Environmental Policy Act.
In 2009, the two agencies agreed to provide a combined $500&enspmillion in financing for renewable-energy projects and take into account the greenhouse gas emissions associated with projects they support.
But one of the bank's duties is to support the export of U.S.-manufactured products, such as mining equipment.
"In fact, they are doing just the opposite in steering our customers to our foreign competition," Sullivan said.
Lining up support
Sullivan plans to seek community support, including help from Bucyrus suppliers and the United Steelworkers of America, which represents Bucyrus employees, to urge the Export-Import Bank to change its decision. Otherwise, Sullivan said, there is no appeals process for votes by the Export-Import Bank board.
Bucyrus has 250 suppliers in Wisconsin that employ 15,000 people, according to the Metropolitan Milwaukee Association of Commerce.
"These companies are dependent on Bucyrus' ability to capture international sales and export their machines," said Tim Sheehy, MMAC president. "If Bucyrus catches a cold on this, there are hundreds of employers that get sick."
National Mining Association spokeswoman Carol Raulston called the Export-Import Bank's decision shortsighted and said it sets a dangerous precedent for other developing nations wanting to do business with Bucyrus.
"India has millions of people living in poverty, and coal is going to be their most affordable source of electricity," Raulston said.
The Bucyrus equipment that was ordered for India included two draglines, which are machines weighing millions of pounds and tall enough to loom over a 20-story building.
It takes three years to build a dragline at a cost of more than $100&enspmillion.
The initial equipment order also included eight electric-powered rope shovels and 180 mining trucks. With additional options, services and other products, the order could exceed $600&enspmillion, according to Bucyrus.
"This is a huge deal for us," Sullivan said. Without the order, he added, the company must find other work to avoid layoffs.
"We are going to fight hard to keep this order, but frankly, India can probably find better partners than the U.S. to develop its energy sector," Sullivan said.
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Hope & Change you stupid fools.
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U.S. Loan to Brazilian Oil Company Riles Conservatives in Favor of Offshore Drilling
By James Rosen
Published August 20, 2009
| FOXNews.com
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President Obama has opposed any expanded oil drilling off American shores largely on environmental grounds, turning a deaf ear to conservative cries of "Drill, Baby, Drill."
But now Obama may start hearing cries of "foul" after the U.S. Export-Import Bank promised Petrobras, Brazil's state-owned oil company, $2 billion in loan guarantees to help finance lucrative drilling off the shores of Rio De Janeiro.
Some see a contradiction in an executive branch agency, independent but with board members appointed by the president, facilitating abroad the very kind of energy exploration Obama opposes domestically.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Thursday he wasn't prepared to address the issue.
"I have not seen the story," he said. "I'd have to take a look."
But former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, a vocal proponent of offshore drilling, had plenty to say.
"So why is it that during these tough times, when we have great needs at home, the Obama White House is prepared to send more than $2 billion of your hard-earned tax dollars to Brazil so that the nation's state-owned oil company, Petrobas, can drill off shore and create jobs developing its own resources?" she asked on her Facebook page.
In fact, the Export-Import bank receives no appropriations from Congress and thus does not rely on American taxpayer dollars and is also not "sending" $2 billion to the Brazilian company but offering lines of credit to U.S. firms so they can compete to land contracts as part of Petrobras' drilling operations.
The $2 billion "preliminary commitment" by the Export-Import Bank to Petrobras is expected to grow, as the U.S. competes on behalf of American exporters of goods and services against those from China. Beijing has extended a commitment of $10 billion -- but the Brazilians are said to prefer U.S. management and technology.
Then there is the George Soros angle.
The New York-based hedge fund firm controlled by the billionaire philanthropist and backer of Democratic causes and campaigns bought and sold millions of shares in Petrobras -- the largest of the firm's holdings -- prior to public disclosure of the Export-Import bank's offer of new credit guarantees to the Brazilian energy giant.
No one has accused Soros of wrongdoing, but some say the transactions do not pass the "smell test."
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Wake the hell up you morons! He is INTENTIONALLY destroying the nation.
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I want just one person to defend this.
KC, Mons, Blacken, anyone?
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I want just one person to defend this.
KC, Mons, Blacken, anyone?
Bump for Blacken or 240 to defend this latest pofas move by the communist traitor in chief.
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So Obama, who supposedly cares deeply about preventing more rig accidents in the gulf (hence his moratorium), is sacrificing American jobs to give a company Soros has stock in $2bn to drill in the gulf. Am I missing something about the point of his moratorium here? It's wrong for American firms to drill in the gulf but OK for Petrobas to do that? Ha, Obama "cares" alright. ::)
Paging pandering far-left tards, paging far-left tards. It's amazing how well 240 and co. can avoid any thread that challengers their Utopian view of things.
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Blacken, Straw, Mons, 240, Lurker, et al won't go near this with a 100 foot pole.
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Blacken, Straw, Mons, 240, Lurker, et al won't go near this with a 100 foot pole.
I'll help to keep bumping this. 8)
Would love to hear them justify taking away 1,000 American jobs for a moratorium on dangerous drilling while turning around and giving $2bn to a foreign firm to do that same dangerous drilling.
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So Obama, who supposedly cares deeply about preventing more rig accidents in the gulf (hence his moratorium), is sacrificing American jobs to give a company Soros has stock in $2bn to drill in the gulf. Am I missing something about the point of his moratorium here? It's wrong for American firms to drill in the gulf but OK for Petrobas to do that? Ha, Obama "cares" alright. ::)
Paging pandering far-left tards, paging far-left tards. It's amazing how well 240 and co. can avoid any thread that challengers their Utopian view of things.
Maybe if you get a map and see that Rio is not in the gulf of Mexico.
That would help your understanding of things....
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Maybe if you get a map and see that Rio is not in the gulf of Mexico.
That would help your understanding of things....
Or maybe that Soros is one of Obama biggest backers? ? ? ? ?
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Maybe if you get a map and see that Rio is not in the gulf of Mexico.
That would help your understanding of things....
No shit? Because the USA is the only oil company that drills in the Gulf (Hint: Petrobras drills in the gulf). Anyway, I was referring more towards signing off on deepwater drilling but you got me.
Still mad because I pointed out that you don't understand using millions as the set units for population figures? It's alright, I know you like trying to fill the "know-it-all" role on the G&O.
Why is it alright for Petrobas to deepwater drill but not for American companies? ::)
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The bottom line is that Obama is fulfilling his promise to bankrupt the coal industry and put american workers out in the street and begging the govt for welfare.
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The bottom line is that Obama is fulfilling his promise to bankrupt the coal industry and put american workers out in the street and begging the govt for welfare.
If it's alright to bankroll Petrobas's deepwater drilling then there's really no point to putting a moratorium on American firms doing it.
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Or maybe that Soros is one of Obama biggest backers? ? ? ? ?
Now, that is a good point. Have you been following the issue with "free radio", not being free anymore. Seems like there are dems and repubs wantig to tax radio stations to play music and other developments
No, BF, I am not angry, I was wrong. And I told you what my major was. Hell, I hate math... But your "no shit", comment, is a backpedal, because you explicitly said "The Gulf", and you went on to compare a Am company drilling there vs a foreign company. Maybe there is a back story, like th fact that Brazil has huge investments in sugar cane alternative fuel, and this is just to help that---Stem the flow. I'm speculating. And with the Indian deal, due to the issue that happened with coal accident, maybe there are concerns of safety protocol, or the fact that the admin is trying to force India's hand on the carbon issue. Or where the mine is located.
And no, I am no know it, I am a polymath, I have varied interests, and what I don't know or know a little about I ask the ones on here who know more, or i defer to them...
We all can't be as self righteous as you.
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Now, that is a good point. Have you been following the issue with "free radio", not being free anymore. Seems like there are dems and repubs wantig to tax radio stations to play music and other developments
No, BF, I am not angry, I was wrong. And I told you what my major was. Hell, I hate math... But your "no shit", comment, is a backpedal, because you explicitly said "The Gulf", and you went on to compare a Am company drilling there vs a foreign company. Maybe there is a back story, like th fact that Brazil has huge investments in sugar cane alternative fuel, and this is just to help that---Stem the flow. I'm speculating. And with the Indian deal, due to the issue that happened with coal accident, maybe there are concerns of safety protocol, or the fact that the admin is trying to force India's hand on the carbon issue. Or where the mine is located.
And no, I am no know it, I am a polymath, I have varied interests, and what I don't know or know a little about I ask the ones on here who know more, or i defer to them...
We all can't be as self righteous as you.
It's not a back-pedal as much as it was a fuck-up on my part. From what I've read, Petrobras owns the rights to multiple oil fields in the Gulf of Mexico (sharing the rights to a few of those fields with BP, nonetheless). But yeah, I was wrong with saying this loan was for drilling in the gulf. You got me there.
Nor am I self-righteous. I think most on Getbig over the years have labeled me a gigantic douche for the way I post but there's nothing self-righteous about it. :)
http://seekingalpha.com/article/77511-petrobras-is-hoarding-the-world-s-deep-sea-drillers
Interesting article from 2008 showing that Petrobras has long been planning to become the world's big dog in terms of deep sea drilling. I find handing out a $2 billion loan (supposedly with a guarantee for $8 billion more) to a company that does A LOT of deep-sea drilling when you put a moratorium on it for US firms to be a dick move and pretty slimy. I feel that if it's OK for them to drill like that then American firms should be allowed to do it as well.
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Bottom line is that if we have money to spend, it should go to actual US businesses like this, not in brazil.
They have TRILLIONS to give to the bankers but none to a company like this. ::) ::) ::)
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It's not a back-pedal as much as it was a fuck-up on my part. From what I've read, Petrobras owns the rights to multiple oil fields in the Gulf of Mexico (sharing the rights to a few of those fields with BP, nonetheless). But yeah, I was wrong with saying this loan was for drilling in the gulf. You got me there.
Nor am I self-righteous. I think most on Getbig over the years have labeled me a gigantic douche for the way I post but there's nothing self-righteous about it. :)
http://seekingalpha.com/article/77511-petrobras-is-hoarding-the-world-s-deep-sea-drillers
Interesting article from 2008 showing that Petrobras has long been planning to become the world's big dog in terms of deep sea drilling. I find handing out a $2 billion loan (supposedly with a guarantee for $8 billion
more) to a company that does A LOT of deep-sea drilling when you put a moratorium on it for US firms to be a dick move and pretty slimy. I feel that if it's OK for them to drill like that then American firms should
be allowed to do it as well.
now, see that's what I'm talking about! Once you dig deeper, no pun intended, you see the deeper issue. Now, does this ban the Brazilian company from the gulf, or are they strictly going to drill off the coast of Rio?
All I really have to say is that politicians are whores. Doesn't mean you can't be a good whore, but show them the dollars abd they will bend over...
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how many more people have to say it before people finaly understand?? (cloward and pivon) Its getting more clear every day!!
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Again - we now have 1,000 AMERICAN FAMILIES intentionally being put out into the street on welfare because of this.
I'm sorry, in my mind this is not only awful, but downright morally wrong on all counts.
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how many more people have to say it before people finaly understand?? (cloward and pivon) Its getting more clear every day!!
I have said it from day 1, but now I really don't see how anyone cant see what is going on here.
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now, see that's what I'm talking about! Once you dig deeper, no pun intended, you see the deeper issue. Now, does this ban the Brazilian company from the gulf, or are they strictly going to drill off the coast of Rio?
All I really have to say is that politicians are whores. Doesn't mean you can't be a good whore, but show them the dollars abd they will bend over...
From what I've read, Petrobras has stopped drilling the two fields they were sharing the rights to with BP and are planning on moving those rigs down to Brazil but they seem to be still drilling the other fields they're leasing. I know that other countries have also continued their drilling unabated after this spill.
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i know, i have said it as well before i was even done with the book ??? people dont want to hear it, or they support it..
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Notice 240, Straw, Mons, Blacken, - who are all over every Palin thread, wont go near this ??? ??? ???
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Bump for 240 & Mal.
Question: How does Obama create jobs when he is intentionally destroying them?
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i'm just looking at this thread for the first time.
I haven't followed this issue at all.
Did soros and his team get approval for everything they're doind before Obama took the oath? I heard something about a 5 man BUSH team approving his current actions the repubs are bitching about? I dont know the details. Since I've been "bumped" about 40 times on this thread... um, creepy!.... I'll debate it, sure!
So how is this 1000 job loss and Soros related?
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i'm just looking at this thread for the first time.
I haven't followed this issue at all.
Did soros and his team get approval for everything they're doind before Obama took the oath? I heard something about a 5 man BUSH team approving his current actions the repubs are bitching about? I dont know the details. Since I've been "bumped" about 40 times on this thread... um, creepy!.... I'll debate it, sure!
So how is this 1000 job loss and Soros related?
The Import/Export bank is funding Petrobas to the tune of $2 Billion.
The same bank is denying a loan to an american company because it involves coal and the bankers said it is to meet with Obama admn directives.
Remember when Obama said he will bankrupt the coal industry? I posted the video above.
Also - according to the demented evil thinking of the communist traitor in the WH, its better to have americans unemployed and on welfare and indians still living in cave man conditions than have coal power plants going.
Obama is truly a demented pofs. Read the article 240 - its clear as day what is going on here.
CLOWARD & PIVEN!
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cool, let me shit/shower/shave/gym and i'll debate this one with ya :)
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cool, let me shit/shower/shave/gym and i'll debate this one with ya :)
Care to defend this now 240?
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Care to defend this now 240?
i usually skip threads where I dont know much or dont have an opinion, so once i have time this evening to watch the clips, read both arguemnts, I will definitely comment. i'm jumping to getbig on and off at the moment
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i usually skip threads where I dont know much or dont have an opinion, so once i have time this evening to watch the clips, read both arguemnts, I will definitely comment. i'm jumping to getbig on and off at the moment
As the article speaks for itself, i'll take that as you have no defense to this.
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As the article speaks for itself, i'll take that as you have no defense to this.
havent read it yet dude
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Check this gem out 240. I wont wait for morons like Licker, Straw, Mons, and Blacken to comment. More corruption and WORSE THAN BUSH bs from the left.
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Insider Patenting: How Fannie Mae Chief Got the Patent for Cap and Trade in 2006(Corruption)
biggovernment.com ^ | May 28, 2010 | John Bambenek
Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2010 4:19:33 PM by day21221
Just one day after the Democrats seized control of Congress, the Chief Executive of Fannie Mae, Franklin Raines, received the patent for a residential cap-and-trade system (Patent 6904336), What this means is that Raines, along with several colleagues who also “own” the patent, could stand to make huge amounts of money if the cap-and-trade regime was ever brought to the residential marketplace. What does this have to do with Fannie Mae? Absolutely nothing.
To understand the implications, a little discussion about patenting is needed. Patents are basically “ownership” rights to an invention. If you invent something, you can license it to others to produce and collect royalties. Each year, thousands of patents are sent to the US Patent Office for consideration. Many “patent houses” simply put in very general patents so they can turn around and sue businesses later for “stealing” their inventions. Sometimes it’s legit, many times its bogus.
As examples, Amazon holds the patent of “one-click purchasing”. Litigation ensued on that. There’s a patent on a “self-executing webpage” which is the reason why a few years ago Microsoft had to convert Internet Explorer to not automatically play media as soon as someone visited a webpage. (i.e. why you have to click a YouTube video for it to play).
Here is where things get interesting. Cap-and-trade legislation literally creates an asset out of thin air. It requires some means to “value” the asset and some means to trade it. In essence, it would lead to government created assets and trading mechanisms. However, when this patent was awarded and applied for, cap-and-trade was not even on the public radar yet.
It is important to remember a few things. Franklin Raines has privileged access to Congress and politicians. He knew and could talk to them about what they were thinking and what they planned to do. As head of a government corporation, he also had a degree of access to the Patent Office to help “smooth the way” to get a patent.
What happened here has all the marks of “insider patenting”. While technically legal, Raines was able to use inside information to put a patent into place before government action created a new marketplace that would require the creation of this systems. The result would have been huge amounts of cash to him and his “co-inventors” and likely, a few patrons on Capitol Hill as well.
This is also likely the first (and probably not the last) case of apparent insider patenting. As big government grows more and more into industry, insiders like Raines will be able to use advanced knowledge of legislative actions to put himself out in front with patenting and ensure he will make piles of cash. What this shows is that the only innovation big government breeds is innovation in new ways for unethical self-enrichment.
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Licker, 240, Straw, mons, Blacken, et al are all over the Palin threads but dare not comment on this treason. ::) ::) ::)
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Licker, 240, Straw, mons, Blacken, et al are all over the Palin threads but dare not comment on this treason. ::) ::) ::)
Their silence says it all.
I'm sure they'll find time to comment on whatever the Palin thread of the day is, though.
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Their silence says it all.
I'm sure they'll find time to comment on whatever the Palin thread of the day is, though.
Attacking Palin is the cat nip for the idiots still waiting for Obama to spinkle the pixy dust and make everything as good as he promised to get their vote.
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Attacking Palin is the cat nip for the idiots still waiting for Obama to spinkle the pixy dust and make everything as good as he promised to get their vote.
Haha. Have you seen 240 trying to give percentages to Obama's policies now? "Well, if the stimulus created 20% of the jobs it said it would then it's not a complete failure, just an 80% failure." ::)
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Haha. Have you seen 240 trying to give percentages to Obama's policies now? "Well, if the stimulus created 20% of the jobs it said it would then it's not a complete failure, just an 80% failure." ::)
The silence of Mons, blacken, 240, Licker, Mal, et al says all you need to know.
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Maybe Andre can give a defense to this since Lurker, 240, Mons, and Blacken could not.
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More disgusting shit from this communist sleeper cell POTUS
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Obama should explain why Kenosha plant is closing
Cap Times editorial | Posted: Monday, June 28, 2010 6:12 am
President Obama will be coming to southeast Wisconsin Wednesday.
He'll appear in Racine, a city that has been devastated by factory closings and job losses.
The president will, we are sure, have an optimistic message.
But we do wish he would explain to the people of southeast Wisconsin why his auto industry bailout plan - which he and so many Wall Street players hail as a success - helped pay for Chrysler's plan to shutter factories in U.S. communities and relocate work to foreign countries.
That's what happened to Kenosha, Racine's neighbor city, which was not "rescued" by the bailout but instead was devastated when Chrysler announced it would stop production in the city. The plant, with roots in Kenosha that go back more than a century, has been fully modernized and is ready to produce state-of-the-art engines.
But Chrysler is moving production to Mexico.
This is the legacy of Obama's bailout plan, which helped investors but did not do much for workers in communities such as Kenosha and Racine.
Share your opinion on this topic by sending a letter to
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BUMP FOR MAL, LURKER, 240, BLACKEN, MONS, STRAW, ANDRE, AL, ET AL.
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HOW CAN OBAMA CLAIM HE IS TRYING TO SAVE AND CREATE JOBS WHEN HE IS INTENTIONALLY DESTROYING THEM?
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These morons voted for Obama and now think he is going to help them?
SUCKERS!
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Wanggaard Campaign: President Obama owes Racine some answers
6/29/2010
Contact: Van Wanggaard
(262) 930-6503
[RACINE] – With President Obama scheduled to hold a town hall meeting in Racine on Wednesday, State Senate candidate Van Wanggaard expressed his desire for an honest explanation regarding the federal polices that have killed thousands of jobs in southeastern Wisconsin:
“It’s nice to know that the current administration realizes Racine County exists. As jobs leave southeastern Wisconsin faster than Air Force One on its way back to DC, I hope the President uses this trip to answer questions regarding the Bucyrus situation and Chrysler’s abandonment of Kenosha for Mexico.
“These two unfortunate situations are similar in that the federal government played a direct role in facilitating massive job loss. What’s more upsetting is that in both cases, the administration displayed a disturbing attitude of disregard for the affected communities and our elected representatives who demanded answers.
“President Obama, as the leader of the Executive Branch, is accountable for these ridiculous and devastating decisions, and he owes Racine and its neighboring counties an explanation that goes further than just placing blame on his predecessor.”
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Damn. They really are avoiding this like the plague. Too busy gossiping about Palin, I guess.
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Damn. They really are avoiding this like the plague. Too busy gossiping about Palin, I guess.
BF - check out my clip with the Yale Professor.
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BUMP FOR LURKER
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The silence of Mons, blacken, 240, Licker, Mal, et al says all you need to know.
What the silence says is basically we don't have time to cater to your bullshit fantasies and delusions. When the sky finally does fall, let us know. Oh wait... no one believe you then because of all the times you cried wolf before.
You know... like the End of Times coming. Black duffel bag living, chaos in the streets, scenario you preached about.
Or the millions and millions of unemployed doctors who will be out of work and roaming the streets the day after Obamacare passed.
About getting spit on when you go to the DMV for your healthcare.
Etc... etc... *yawn*.. etc...
So forgive the rest of us if we don't pander to your paranoid bullshit whims on every little ranting thread you make.
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What the silence says is basically we don't have time to cater to your bullshit fantasies and delusions. When the sky finally does fall, let us know. Oh wait... no one believe you then because of all the times you cried wolf before.
You know... like the End of Times coming. Black duffel bag living, chaos in the streets, scenario you preached about.
Or the millions and millions of unemployed doctors who will be out of work and roaming the streets the day after Obamacare passed.
About getting spit on when you go to the DMV for your healthcare.
Etc... etc... *yawn*.. etc...
So forgive the rest of us if we don't pander to your paranoid bullshit whims on every little ranting thread you make.
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So basically, you have no defense to this.
Thank you.
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So basically, you have no defense to this.
Thank you.
Coming from someone with the marvelous inventions of :
You know... like the End of Times coming. Black duffel bag living, chaos in the streets, scenario you preached about.
Or the millions and millions of unemployed doctors who will be out of work and roaming the streets the day after Obamacare passed.
About getting spit on when you go to the DMV for your healthcare.
There is nothing to defend. "Hysterical" fear mongering might dominate every waking hour of your life, but it doesn't mine.
Now when all this comes to pass, we can debate it. But the constant sky is falling bullshit from you is nothing more than your standard daily drivel at this point.
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Coming from someone with the marvelous inventions of :
You know... like the End of Times coming. Black duffel bag living, chaos in the streets, scenario you preached about.
Or the millions and millions of unemployed doctors who will be out of work and roaming the streets the day after Obamacare passed.
About getting spit on when you go to the DMV for your healthcare.
There is nothing to defend. "Hysterical" fear mongering might dominate every waking hour of your life, but it doesn't mine.
Now when all this comes to pass, we can debate it. But the constant sky is falling bullshit from you is nothing more than your standard daily drivel at this point.
Again failing to address the topic. Bro - you are a joke. Stay with the Palin threads.
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Your topic was Obama was INTENTIONALLY doing this.
You lack concrete proof he is doing it on purpose.
Your thread and you are nothing more but typical fear mongering.
Consider it addressed.
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Your topic was Obama was INTENTIONALLY doing this.
You lack concrete proof he is doing it on purpose.
Your thread and you are nothing more but typical fear mongering.
Consider it addressed.
I guess the banker at the export bank saying he denied the loan so he could meet the obama directive is not enough for you? ::) ::)
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Still waiting for a defense to this . . . . . . . ??? ??? ???
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UPDATE - PEOPLE ARE WAKING THE HELL UP TO THIS POFS.
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Union members to picket Obama event (unions realize Barry selling them out too)
jsonline ^ | 6/30/2010 | p
Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:59:14 AM by milwguy
A contingent of United Auto Workers from both Racine and Kenosha are expected to show up in Racine on Wednesday afternoon to convince President Barack Obama there is a way to keep jobs in both communities.
Glenn Stark, president of Local 72 of the UAW in Kenosha, said it makes no sense that Fiat, which owns a controlling interest in Chrysler, plans to close the Kenosha engine plant in the fall, idling as many as 600 workers.
Fiat also owns CNH, the corporate name for Case-New Holland, and operates the tractor assembly plant in Mount Pleasant. Stark said Fiat is planning to build a tractor engine plant in China, and will export the engines to Racine for assembly.
Workers at CNH are represented by UAW Local 180, Stark said.
"Those engines could be made in Kenosha and sent to Racine, or they can be built halfway around the world," Stark said.
Stark said UAW officials had spoken with Gov. Jim Doyle about the issue. Doyle is expected to be in Racine on Wednesday for Obama's economic town-hall meeting. A Doyle spokesman did not return calls seeking comment.
"We will picket the visit and press the issue," Stark said, "The U.S. government needs to talk to Fiat. We need to put Americans to work."
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Still blaming bush.
BTW - I already signed up with the RNC to do voted fraud for November as we have a chance to get Schumer out.
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Ha ha ha ha - discussed on Rush now when you heard it from me a week ago! ! ! ! ! !
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