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Nearly a year after she quit her governorship of Alaska, Sarah Palin was found guilty today of another breach of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act involving her so-called Alaska Fund Trust (AFT), which she established as a private "legal defense fund" while governor.
Timothy Petumenos, independent counsel for the Alaska Personnel Board (and ironically, the same independent counsel who issued the Troopergate findings nearly two years ago while Palin was the GOP vice-presidential nominee), presented the state's Findings, Consent Decree and Settlement Agreement this afternoon from the perfectly named Adventure Room of the Captain Cook Hotel in downtown Anchorage.
In what is an extremely detailed finding, Petumenos ruled that even though Palin assigned the research of forming the fund to her former spokesperson Meghan Stapleton and even though Palin relied on extensive outside legal counsel, that "the Trust itself, as ultimately conceived, violates the Ethics Act."
The finding is a stinging rebuke to Palin, who must now return more than $386,000 in contributions to the AFT.
It also forces her longtime political crony Kirstan Cole to be removed from serving as Trustee of the fund.
Perhaps most significantly, Petumenos demanded that "all donors to the Trust, whether they donated before or after the resignation, as promised in the supporting website information, must be publicly disclosed." Costs of more than $80,000 incurred during Palin's governorship can be defrayed only by contributions made after her resignation. Only $33,546 was contributed to the fund following her resignation.
In April of 2009, while still governor, Palin established the AFT as a means of paying what she alleged were more than $500,000 in legal bills owed to her Anchorage-based attorney Thomas Van Flein. According to its official website:
The Alaska Fund Trust is the official legal fund created to defend Sarah Palin from an onslaught of political attacks launched against her, her Family, and colleagues (sic).
Almost immediately afterwards, Eagle River resident Kim Chatman filed an Ethics Act complaint charging Palin with misusing her official position for political gain and receiving improper gifts.
The fund had the appearance of Palin's formal political action committee, SarahPAC, which was raising funds to fuel Palin's national political ambitions. SarahPAC operates under strict federal guidelines for income and expenditure disclosures. The Alaska Trust Fund, however, is actually a private trust, with no state or federal government oversight.
According to of the Alaska Department of Law's Marjorie Vandor, "There is no executive branch state agency with jurisdiction over private trusts nor does our office handle the administration of private trusts." As such, Palin's AFT is little more than a slush fund with zero public transparency or accountability.
Last July, independent counsel for the Alaska Personnel Board Tom Daniel issued a preliminary "probable cause" finding that:
In light of the evidence that the governor expressly authorized the creation of the trust and the fact the trust website quite openly uses the governor's position to solicit donations, there is probable cause to believe that Governor Palin used, or attempted to use, her official position for personal gain in violation of Alaska statute.
Daniel also found "payment of the governor's legal fees by the Alaska Fund Trust will violate the Ethics Act prohibition against a public officer accepting gifts intended to influence performance of official duties."
He particularly cited the troubling political relationship between Palin and Cole, whom Palin had appointed to several state boards in Alaska, including the Agriculture and Conservation Board and the Royalty Oil and Gas Advisory Board. Cole also serves She's also on the board of the controversial state-owned Creamery Corporation (Matanuska Maid). Cole's previous claims that "the governor is not, was not and has not been involved in this trust" simply did not pass the straight-face test.
Daniel recused himself from continuing with the case because his firm has done work for Democrats; he did not want the findings shrouded in controversy. Apparently Petumenos took over the case sometime in January of this year.
Andree Mcleod, the Anchorage-based government watchdog who has filed five Ethics Act complaints against Palin and who was recently transferred "power of attorney" on the AFT complaint, issued a statement today:
"Sarah Palin continues to disappoint. Today's finding makes it obvious that she's out for herself. I've spent more than two years trying to shed light on many of Palin's wrongdoings while governor. Her typical response: to vilify and deride Alaskans who only wanted to hold her accountable for her misconduct; this should give people pause."
Immediately following the ruling, Palin posted a new website sticking out a hand for the Sarah Palin Legal Defense Fund.
Palin's attorney Van Flein of Anchorage, who was to have been the recipient of the ATF's bounty, had foreshadowed today's ruling with an odd posting last night on Palin's Facebook page. "There will be times when Sarah Palin will have to take one for the team," Van Flein wrote, "in order to continue on with her message to the country and simply resolve matters without having to incur crushing personal debt."
McLeod was not buying into any of Van Flein's excuses:
"Never has a governor lowered the bar as low as Palin has when she breached the public's trust over and over again. Her arrogance, sense of entitlement and recklessness while doing the people's business sets a very bad precedent.
"For her to be portrayed as a role model by the media is an absolute travesty. The more people find out about Palin...the more they learn that a 'servant's heart' does not beat within her."
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What kind of liberals were on this committee that found her guilty?
Absurd!!!
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Apparently the official Palin defense is - it's a witch hunt.
I guess it's always a 'witch hunt' when you clearly violate the ethics act of your former state.
I guess Spitzer was in a witch hunt too, and any other politician who has had dubious judgement.
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[scary whiny voice]it's those liberuhls.... those damn liberuhls... they out to get her... making up fake stories like this... they made her do it.... but it's ok if someone else does it.... those liberuhls... those liberuhls.... obama.... pofs...BMITWH... wahhh...wahhh... wahh..... [/scary whiny voice]
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[scary whiny voice]it's those liberuhls.... those damn liberuhls... they out to get her... making up fake stories like this... they made her do it.... but it's ok if someone else does it.... those liberuhls... those liberuhls.... obama.... pofs...BMITWH... wahhh...wahhh... wahh..... [/scary whiny voice]
don't forget the lamestream media (excluding Fox News of course....as long as they are still writing her a check)
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No, she is not running, is a private citizen, is a side note, and should pay whatever fine is assessed.
She is the convenient distraction for the daily shit show you idiots voted for.
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don't forget the lamestream media (excluding Fox News of course....as long as they are still writing her a check)
Can't forget the Socialist Media either. (Facebook according to her)
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ZERO criminal findings AS USUAL.They try and try but ZERO criminal findings at all.Funny how Charlie Rengel and Harry Reids investigations seem to go no where despite the incredible evidence.So,here we have Palin,zero criminal charges,but many on this board jump on her but seem to excuse Barney Franks past investigation.I guess when its a conservative its very different.
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ZERO criminal findings AS USUAL.They try and try but ZERO criminal findings at all.Funny how Charlie Rengel and Harry Reids investigations seem to go no where despite the incredible evidence.So,here we have Palin,zero criminal charges,but many on this board jump on her but seem to excuse Barney Franks past investigation.I guess when its a conservative its very different.
This is about Palin not frank but nice try Billy. It wasn't a criminal investigation, it was an ethics act violation i don't think they were looking for a conviction but they found her guilt of the violation and she has to pay it back. Damn that liberal media huh? Imagine not being able to violate the ethics act of your own state just because you look nice.
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This is about Palin not frank but nice try Billy. It wasn't a criminal investigation, it was an ethics act violation i don't think they were looking for a conviction but they found her guilt of the violation and she has to pay it back. Damn that liberal media huh? Imagine not being able to violate the ethics act of your own state just because you look nice.
And not one of you jizz covered fools had a word to say about Geithner, Rangle, Jefferson, et al.
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And not one of you jizz covered fools had a word to say about Geithner, Rangle, Jefferson, et al.
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This thread is about Palin, if you wish to talk about anyone else, please start or bump and new/old thread. k Thanks
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ZERO criminal findings AS USUAL.
This is about Palin not frank but nice try Billy. It wasn't a criminal investigation, it was an ethics act violation
Great point.
BILLY, the actions of Rangle and Frank are both quite scumbag. I'm surprised you would lump Palin in with them. But you are probably right. She did have an ethics violation, and she was found guilty. I guess she's just like them.
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This thread is about Palin, if you wish to talk about anyone else, please start or bump and new/old thread. k Thanks
Its called consistency KC.
I will say Palin screwed up and should pay and wont run. You guys refuse to be honest when it is obama, the left, or anyone else doing the same thing.
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And not one of you jizz covered fools had a word to say about Geithner, Rangle, Jefferson, et al.
I see your blowup doll girlfriend is out w/ her folks again huh? ;)
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I would say she willfully 'screwed up'.
When she started that legal def fund, all the liberals (Olbermann included) sqwalked about the illegality of it.
She knew what she was doing - but it was more profitable to spend the loot from the UNDOCUMENTED/untraceable state fund, than to use her own money.
She probably spent a shitload more than the 370k she's getting fined. It wasn't a mistake. She broke the rules knowingly because she could get away with it. I worry about leaders like that. They get in the white house and do the same thing.
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And not one of you jizz covered fools had a word to say about Geithner, Rangle, Jefferson, et al.
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This thread is about Palin, if you wish to talk about anyone else, please start or bump and new/old thread. k Thanks
YOU DON'T SAY??? WHERE HAVE WE HEARD THAT BEFORE????
Oh yeah... from this moron.
How about you adress a topic on the merits for once?
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BTW - its easy to throw insults around to people while not actually debating a topic on the merits.
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Care to debate the topics on the merits or merely resort to you usual moronic and idiotic self? You choose.
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How's that hypocrisy taste? What an idiot.
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Its called consistency KC.
I will say Palin screwed up and should pay and wont run. You guys refuse to be honest when it is obama, the left, or anyone else doing the same thing.
Consistency of what? I don't have to comment on every single thread here 333. You may feel the need to but i have better things in my life than hyperbole and Obama on the brain.
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Consistency of what? I don't have to comment on every single thread here 333. You may feel the need to but i have better things in my life than hyperbole and Obama on the brain.
Yet when Palin is discussed, the usual gang shows up in every thread to trash her while remaining silent in the threads when libs do the same thing? ::) ::)
So you have time to trash palin, but not time to trash those whom you agree with who do the same thing? ::) ::)
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So,once again,thesze charges are nothing.Mean nothing,just like trooper gate was nothing and the clothes were nothing.Its all a bunch of nothing designed to smear her.As far as 240 goes,Olbermann the tax cheat is one to throw stones at anyone.
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So,once again,thesze charges are nothing.Mean nothing,just like trooper gate was nothing and the clothes were nothing.Its all a bunch of nothing designed to smear her.As far as 240 goes,Olbermann the tax cheat is one to throw stones at anyone.
Nothing? haha yeah keep believing that billy.
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Yet when Palin is discussed, the usual gang shows up in every thread to trash her while remaining silent in the threads when libs do the same thing? ::) ::)
So you have time to trash palin, but not time to trash those whom you agree with who do the same thing? ::) ::)
Both Democrats and Republicans suck. Palin is BEYOND suck. :-X
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Nothing? haha yeah keep believing that billy.
What does it amount to?Any criminal charges?Is she going to jail?Will she lose her job?Her speaking engagements?Will anything happen to her other then hearing no talent ,light weight nit wits like Olbermann yammer on and on about it?
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she knowingly broke ethics rules.
Weird some people just excuse it.
it's wrong when any politician from any party does it. She abused her state job to keep fund sources private.
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she knowingly broke ethics rules.
Weird some people just excuse it.
it's wrong when any politician from any party does it. She abused her state job to keep fund sources private.
Funny, please bump the threads where you complained about Geithner, Jefferson, Rangle, et al.
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Funny, please bump the threads where you complained about Geithner, Jefferson, Rangle, et al.
Thread is about Palin. If you don't like that please post elsewhere.
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she knowingly broke ethics rules.
Weird some people just excuse it.
it's wrong when any politician from any party does it. She abused her state job to keep fund sources private.
The f'n guy in charge of our economy didnt pay taxes.NOT ONCE did you get on here and say what an unreal choice for Obama to make that he put a tax cheat as the guy to "fix" our economy.Charlie Rengel is the guy in charge of taxing us,he is a tax cheat.NOT ONCE have I seen you on here ranting about this.Palin did NOTHING illegal,UNLIKE THE OTHER TWO,and you act as though its the end of the world.Clinton lying to a grand jury,no problem to 240,Palin commiting ethics violations and its the end of humanity.
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Thread is about Palin. If you don't like that please post elsewhere.
240 claimed that its wrong for all politicians do commit ethics violations. If he has no history of calling out left wing pols with the same violations, he has no standing to call out Palin, nor do you.
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240 claimed that its wrong for all politicians do commit ethics violations. If he has no history of calling out left wing pols with the same violations, he has no standing to call out Palin, nor do you.
And in fact has defended Clintons lying to a grand jury as "big deal he got a blow job in the white house".The double standard on here is incredible.Anyone can say ANYTHING about Palins kids,but if you DARE say anything about Obamas nappy headed puke kids,your ripped.
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And in fact has defended Clintons lying to a grand jury as "big deal he got a blow job in the white house".The double standard on here is incredible.Anyone can say ANYTHING about Palins kids,but if you DARE say anything about Obamas nappy headed puke kids,your ripped.
I dont give a rats ass. Obama is a racist, communist, incompetent, left wing dreamer not qualified to run a lemonade stand, let alone the nation.
His voters are even worse.
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Funny, please bump the threads where you complained about Geithner, Jefferson, Rangle, et al.
DEJA VU!!!!
Thread is about Palin. If you don't like that please post elsewhere.
Quote from: 333386 on Today at 07:38:35 AM
How about you adress a topic on the merits for once?
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Quote from: 333386 on June 28, 2010, 10:07:28 AM
BTW - its easy to throw insults around to people while not actually debating a topic on the merits.
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Quote from: 333386 on June 28, 2010, 10:25:34 AM
Care to debate the topics on the merits or merely resort to you usual moronic and idiotic self? You choose.
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How's that hypocrisy taste? What an idiot.
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I dont give a rats ass. Obama is a racist, communist, incompetent, left wing dreamer not qualified to run a lemonade stand, let alone the nation.
His voters are even worse.
Im a racist.
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Funny, please bump the threads where you complained about Geithner, Jefferson, Rangle, et al.
oh, ok, i just have all day to search thru 45k posts.
I'll say it right now... they're dirtbags. Jefferson = the guy with $ in his freezer? oh lord, that dude belongs in prison bigtime haha... Geitner should have retied with dubya, no doubt, i can't believe O rehired him.
So um, you're willing to admit Palin is an unethical dirtbag for knowingly breaking the state ethics rules for which she took a vow to follow?
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oh, ok, i just have all day to search thru 45k posts.
I'll say it right now... they're dirtbags. Jefferson = the guy with $ in his freezer? oh lord, that dude belongs in prison bigtime haha... Geitner should have retied with dubya, no doubt, i can't believe O rehired him.
So um, you're willing to admit Palin is an unethical dirtbag for knowingly breaking the state ethics rules for which she took a vow to follow?
I agree this does not look good, but in making moral equivalents (a lesson I learned from you 240), this is nothing compared to what you gero has done.
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240 claimed that its wrong for all politicians do commit ethics violations. If he has no history of calling out left wing pols with the same violations, he has no standing to call out Palin, nor do you.
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Please see my comment on how i don't reply to every thread. I have a life 333 i don't feel the need to comment on everything i see on GB.
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I agree this does not look good
Doens't look good? What's that mean?
She knowingly broke the oath she swore to keep - cause it let her hide amounts and donors, etc.
It wasn't an accident - everyone and their mother was screaming about it from minute 1.
She did it because she knew she wouldn't get in trouble til after she left office.
And if you will wear a pro-Obama avatar of Mons' or jag's choice, one day for every post I find dissing a croooked liberal, I will dig them up ;D
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Doens't look good? What's that mean?
She knowingly broke the oath she swore to keep - cause it let her hide amounts and donors, etc.
It wasn't an accident - everyone and their mother was screaming about it from minute 1.
She did it because she knew she wouldn't get in trouble til after she left office.
And if you will wear a pro-Obama avatar of Mons' or jag's choice, one day for every post I find dissing a croooked liberal, I will dig them up ;D
And its wrong and I dont support it and she should suffer whatever penalties are assessed. I just wish you would say the same thing about your hero violating his oath.
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And its wrong and I dont support it and she should suffer whatever penalties are assessed. I just wish you would say the same thing about your hero violating his oath.
i shit on obama policy all the time.
i'll gladly condmn any examples of him breaking his oath, share them please.
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i shit on obama policy all the time.
i'll gladly condmn any examples of him breaking his oath, share them please.
Uphold, defendant, and protect the constitution of the USA and its laws.
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Uphold, defendant, and protect the constitution of the USA and its laws.
We'll need something more specific. Millions believe Bush and clinton fuct this up as well.
Did you have a particular action in mind which violated a certain law?
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We'll need something more specific. Millions believe Bush and clinton fuct this up as well.
Did you have a particular action in mind which violated a certain law?
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Intentionally not enforcing the border so he can get amnesty for illegals.
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Intentionally not enforcing the border so he can get amnesty for illegals.
What legislation did he pass which ordered border agents to stand down?
What date did this inaction begin? Did Bush1, Clinton, Reagan also commit this crime?
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"Intentionally"
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I see that has replaced "Hysterical" as his new little buzz word.
Intentionally would have had to occur in a way that solid evidence and proof that was not subject to opinion or defense would exist. Let's see where it is.
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333 is a 9/11 CTer at heart. Just listen to his whack job conclusions
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What legislation did he pass which ordered border agents to stand down?
What date did this inaction begin? Did Bush1, Clinton, Reagan also commit this crime?
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I have a whole thread on it. Look it up. Yes the others are guilty of this, as if that now makes it ok simply because its your pin up idol.
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Doens't look good? What's that mean?
She knowingly broke the oath she swore to keep - cause it let her hide amounts and donors, etc.
It wasn't an accident - everyone and their mother was screaming about it from minute 1.
She did it because she knew she wouldn't get in trouble til after she left office.
And if you will wear a pro-Obama avatar of Mons' or jag's choice, one day for every post I find dissing a croooked liberal, I will dig them up ;D
Once again,she is not in trouble.She is out of politics.This is nothing.A politician breaking a political rule is as unimportant as Olbermann not paying his taxes.It means nothing.
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Once again,she is not in trouble.She is out of politics.This is nothing.A politician breaking a political rule is as unimportant as Olbermann not paying his taxes.It means nothing.
While in office, she broke an oath to follow the state ethics rules.
She obviously didn't take the oath of her office seriously as governor.
Would she bother taking it seriously as prez?
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While in office, she broke an oath to follow the state ethics rules.
She obviously didn't take the oath of her office seriously as governor.
Would she bother taking it seriously as prez?
Since she will not be running,who cares?Obama took an oath as well and has PURPOSELY tried to destroy the country.Not a peep from you.
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Since she will not be running,who cares?Obama took an oath as well and has PURPOSELY tried to destroy the country.Not a peep from you.
Neither would Blagojevich ::) but that does not change the fact she broke a set of ethic rules expected to be followed by people put in power to represent a state. :-\
What would Obama's motivation be to PURPOSELY DESTROY the country??? Your conspiracy theories go out the window with that first question. As far as I know he does not have the power alone, like any former communist dictator did to "destroy" anything on his own. I mean let's use our common sense, does he have a higher purpose...like world domination? If that would be the answer it just doesn't add up, you don't destroy the most powerful country in the world since you need that power behind it to dominate ....fuck it, I'm not gonna start wasting my time with conspiracy theories, he have guys like 338 and you for that kind of paranoid talk ;)
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Since she will not be running,who cares?Obama took an oath as well and has PURPOSELY tried to destroy the country.Not a peep from you.
Ditto on Bush. No difference in politicians.