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WHOA: Obama: Being An American Not A Matter Of "Blood Or Birth"
RealClearPolitics ^ | July 1, 2010 | RealClearPolitics
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"Being an American is not a matter of blood or birth, it's a matter of faith," President Obama declared at a speech he gave on immigration.
Obama also blamed "resentment" to new immigrants to poor economic conditions.
"Now, we can't forget that this process of immigration and eventual inclusion has often been painful. Each new wave of immigrants has generated fear and resentment towards newcomers, particularly in times of economic upheaval," Obama said.
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So why have any borders, laws, or boundaries at all you Communist, Kenyan-born, inept, agitating, pofs?
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Thanks for taking a single line out of context. Here is the full paragraph from his speech:
"These women, and men and women across this country like them, remind us that immigrants have always helped to build and defend this country -– and that being an American is not a matter of blood or birth. It’s a matter of faith. It’s a matter of fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. That’s what makes us unique. That’s what makes us strong. Anybody can help us write the next great chapter in our history."
Here is the full speech: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-comprehensive-immigration-reform (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-comprehensive-immigration-reform)
Unlike other countries with tribal fighting, the U.S. is a country where people believe in a shared ideal of democracy. We don't necessarily agree on religion and politics and many other contentious things, but we all, natural-born citizens and immigrants alike, believe in the rights and freedoms guaranteed to us by our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. If we didn't have those rights and if so many people around the world didn't want them too, we wouldn't have so many clamoring to become American citizens. If I was stuck in a hellhole, like North Korea or Somalia or Darfur, with no rights and where I could be killed on the whim of some dictator or heavily armed militia, I'd be doing everything I could to get out and come to the U.S. or some other democratic country where I have the right to live my life as I want and can post my views without censorship online on web sites like GetBig.
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We have a legal process to come here.
Someone hopping a border or overstaying a visa is not an immigrant, they are an invader and a criminal. I don't care what their justification for breaking the law is.
Obama is full of shit like he is 99% of the time. He is advocating lawlessness and chaos.
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What if 300,000,000 people showed up tommorow outside of the legal process?
Should they be given a "pathway to citizenship"?
What about their environmental impact and impact on local tax systems and burdens? What about the fact that we have a massive economic problem as it is?
Whats to stop floods of new people coming over?
This whole immigration issue is one of pixy dust and fairy tales by the do gooders who only know who to act on an emotional level.
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"These women, and men and women across this country like them, remind us that immigrants have always helped to build and defend this country -– and that being an American is not a matter of blood or birth. It’s a matter of faith. It’s a matter of fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear. That’s what makes us unique. That’s what makes us strong. Anybody can help us write the next great chapter in our history."
That's nice. Do it through legal means and no one would have a problem. There are millions of people who wait YEARS to get into this country legally. It would be the biggest slap in the face I've ever seen to turn around and give amnesty to all the douche bags that came in here illegally. What, are they better than people who have been waiting years? Because that's what it sounds like coming from the pro-amnesty crowd.
And I see CNN is still lying through their fucking teeth with their polling on this.
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Just remember - they then sign up for ObamaCare and collapse the system just like I said.
Obama is following the Cloward Piven model to collapse the nation.
ObamaCare
Cap & Trade
Amnesty for Illegals
Thos three things together collapse the system.
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So why have any borders, laws, or boundaries at all you Communist, Kenyan-born, inept, agitating, pofs?
So you readily admit you are officially a Birther now, 333386?
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So you readily admit you are officially a Birther now, 333386?
I'm leaning there as Obama is not an American. He is a communist sleeper cell intent on collapsing the nation.
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I'm leaning there as Obama is not an American. He is a communist sleeper cell intent on collapsing the nation.
"Leaning there?"
Is she, "kinda pregnant"?
LOL! You are a birther if you have ANY DOUBT on the official story of his birth. Also, you can't call him "kenyan-born" and still make some claim of "not a birther".
You are one. It's okay. You're a year late to the club, I think most of us, including us "kneepadders", realized it 6 or 8 months ago. Better late than never, my friend ;)
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I honestly have never in my entire life met or come across such a committed communist as Obama intent on destroying this nation.
With UE raging and getting worse
The stim bill failed
BP oil mess
2 Wars
Stock Market collapsing.
What does the pofs do?
Push amnesty for illegals and Decapitate and Tax.
Who other than someone intent on collapsing the nation does that?
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So why have any borders, laws, or boundaries at all you Communist, Kenyan-born, inept, agitating, pofs?
The only inept, agitating, POFS I see here is YOU!!! Give it a rest already! Sheesh! ::)
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The only inept, agitating, POFS I see here is YOU!!! Give it a rest already! Sheesh! ::)
Not until Obama resigns or is impeached or defeated.
If you had a 25-30 Million person invasion in your nation and said invaders demanding bens, rights, money, et al, and your PM was acting on their behalf instead of taxpayers, you would feel the same way 60% of the Americans do.
Ship em out.
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Unreal. The most disgusting, incompetent, dishonest idiot to ever be in the WH
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Obama: U.S. Borders Cannot Be Secured With Fences and Border Patrols
CNSNews ^ | July 01, 2010 | Edwin Mora
(CNSNews.com) - President Barack Obama said today that U.S. borders cannot be secured with fences and border patrols. “It won’t work,” he said.
Obama made the statement in a speech at American University in Washington, D.C. in which he called on Congress to enact a “comprehensive immigration reform” law that would include a “pathway for legal status” for illegal immigrants—or what critics call amnesty.
“Even as we are committed to doing what’s necessary to secure our borders, even without passage of the new law, there are those who argue that we should not move forward with any other elements of reform until we have fully sealed our borders,” said Obama. “But our borders are just too vast for us to be able to solve the problem only with fences and border patrols. It won’t work. Our borders will not be secure as long as our limited resources are devoted to not only stopping gangs and potential terrorists, but also the hundreds of thousands who attempt to cross each year simply to find work.”
Obama also contended in the speech that the borders are more secure now than they have been in the past two decades. “The southern border is more secure today than at any time in the past 20 years,” he said.
His comprehensive immigration reform plan, he said, would “demand responsibility” from illegal immigrants.
“We have to demand responsibility from people living here illegally. They must be required to admit that they broke the law. They should be required to register, pay their taxes, pay a fine, and learn English,” said Obama.
“We can create a pathway for legal status that is fair, reflective of our values, and works,” he said.
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I seriously will be surprised if NOBAMA makes it through his first term. If he keeps up this kind of talk somebody is going to get pissed of in the wrong way.
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Not until Obama resigns or is impeached or defeated.
If you had a 25-30 Million person invasion in your nation and said invaders demanding bens, rights, money, et al, and your PM was acting on their behalf instead of taxpayers, you would feel the same way 60% of the Americans do.
Ship em out.
HaHa We did. They were called American corporations. Thank goodness your dollar dropped. :D
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Unreal. The most disgusting, incompetent, dishonest idiot to ever be in the WH
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Obama: U.S. Borders Cannot Be Secured With Fences and Border Patrols
CNSNews ^ | July 01, 2010 | Edwin Mora
(CNSNews.com) - President Barack Obama said today that U.S. borders cannot be secured with fences and border patrols. “It won’t work,” he said.
FFS 333 he's right! We're not talking about Liechtenstein or Vatican city. it's the bloody US border.
Do you have any idea how long it is? And that's just the land portion. we haven't even discussed the sea border yet. There is simply no way you're going to secure it with a fence and/or border patrols, and for you to imply otherwise is disengenuous. Your hatred of the man has clouded your ability to think clearly. I can't wait for the 2012 elections. I want a front row seat to see your head exploding when Obama wins again... by an even stronger margin.
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FFS 333 he's right! We're not talking about Liechtenstein or Vatican city. it's the bloody US border.
Do you have any idea how long it is? And that's just the land portion. we haven't even discussed the sea border yet. There is simply no way you're going to secure it with a fence and/or border patrols, and for you to imply otherwise is disengenuous. Your hatred of the man has clouded your ability to think clearly. I can't wait for the 2012 elections. I want a front row seat to see your head exploding when Obama wins again... by an even stronger margin.
So how do we secure it? With motor votor forms, obamacare enrollment forms, lemonade stands, SEIU union cards, and ACORN reps?
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I seriously will be surprised if NOBAMA makes it through his first term. If he keeps up this kind of talk somebody is going to get pissed of in the wrong way.
And this is a great deal of what's wrong with America today. People getting pissed off and ready to take all sorts of illegal actions when they're told the truth. And then you wonder why you're lied to so often. ::) Stupid children!!! >:(
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And this is a great deal of what's wrong with America today. People getting pissed off and ready to take all sorts of illegal actions when they're told the truth. And then you wonder why you're lied to so often. ::) Stupid children!!! >:(
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The truth is that we have clear and present danger in the WH.
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So how do we secure it? With motor votor forms, obamacare enrollment forms, lemonade stands, SEIU union cards, and ACORN reps?
The border cannot be secured. If it could, ...it would have been done a long time ago.
Furthermore... the powers that be (and I'm not talking the POTUS, I mean those who pull the POTUS's strings) don't want it secured. They like it just the way it is. It's much easier for them to smuggle undocumented workers, drugs, or whatever else they want to get into your country. Wake up and realize the issues surrounding immigration reform or lack thereof go much higher than the WH.
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And this is a great deal of what's wrong with America today. People getting pissed off and ready to take all sorts of illegal actions when they're told the truth. And then you wonder why you're lied to so often. ::) Stupid children!!! >:(
Jag, you post fictional articles from the creative writer known as Sorcha Faal and try to pass them off as fact. Get off your high horse as you're the closest thing to a retard on the politics board.
Tell us again how you have a 160 IQ but don't know that argon is an element. ::)
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CNSNews.com) - President Barack Obama said today that U.S. borders cannot be secured with fences and border patrols. “It won’t work,” he said.
i have to agree here.
If you build a 10-foot fence, it only takes an 11-foot ladder to get over it.
You can try to "man" the border, but unless you wanna bring home 50k troops from Afghanistan, it'll never work.
I mean - if you want to build a 190-foot fence, and put 100k men there - completely not feasible economically - by all means, then it might work.
IMO the better solution is to bump up the border patrol as much as possible - then go after the domestic employers that are giving many of them a reason to be here... that's the easiest chunk of them to kick out, and it'll free up jobs for Americans immediately. (The unemployed and drug illegals are harder to get, but they'll stand out more when the workers leave).
You take away the sugar and the ants stop coming - you don't have to spend 24/7 stomping on them.
- 240 or 137 IQ
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kinda hard to go after employers when he dismantled ice, and cut their funding ???
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CNSNews.com) - President Barack Obama said today that U.S. borders cannot be secured with fences and border patrols. “It won’t work,” he said.
i have to agree here.
If you build a 10-foot fence, it only takes an 11-foot ladder to get over it.
You can try to "man" the border, but unless you wanna bring home 50k troops from Afghanistan, it'll never work.
I mean - if you want to build a 190-foot fence, and put 100k men there - completely not feasible economically - by all means, then it might work.
IMO the better solution is to bump up the border patrol as much as possible - then go after the domestic employers that are giving many of them a reason to be here... that's the easiest chunk of them to kick out, and it'll free up jobs for Americans immediately. (The unemployed and drug illegals are harder to get, but they'll stand out more when the workers leave).
You take away the sugar and the ants stop coming - you don't have to spend 24/7 stomping on them.
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China built a great wall thousands of years ago. Here is what you do. You round up all illegals, one at a time. Have them build huge camps around the border. They get decent food and water. Then as their numbers grow they are put to work building a huge wall all along the US border. With 10 million workers this should go much faster than the great wall of China. After this is completed you thank them for their labor and send them packing back to Mexico. The wall would have to be about 20-30 feet tall with motion sensors to detect activity along the mexican side.
Perhaps some of these illegals are allowed to stay if they can pay their way back in. But at least now you have a way to prevent future illegals from entering.
US citizens and legal immigrants can take the jobs that the illegals abandon while toiling on the wall. The Great Wall of USA
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kinda hard to go after employers when he dismantled ice, and cut their funding ???
cause, like mccain, he is pro-amnesty.
Sen Thune, a great 2012 candidate, has a STRONG record of being ANTI-ILLEGAL. He's not just "pretty much against amnesty" like palin or romney... he's voted against any kind of illegal rights for a decade now.
Vote Thune 2012 - Get Your Country Back :)
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And this is a great deal of what's wrong with America today. People getting pissed off and ready to take all sorts of illegal actions when they're told the truth. And then you wonder why you're lied to so often. ::) Stupid children!!! >:(
Bullshit. What truth?
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cause, like mccain, he is pro-amnesty.
well mcclame didnt dismantle ice or defund it, obama did. mcclame doesnt matter ( HE ISNT THE PRES) OBAMA IS
anyone who believes this crock that obama said today about going after the employers is and idiot, if there was one bit of truth to this obama wouldnt be defunding the programs that go after employers who hire illegals
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well mcclame didnt dismantle ice or defund it, obama did. mcclame doesnt matter ( HE ISNT THE PRES) OBAMA IS
anyone who believes this crock that obama said today about going after the employers is and idiot, if there was one bit of truth to this obama wouldnt be defunding the programs that go after employers who hire illegals
Bob nails it.
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this asshat lies to peoples face, and these liberal clowns just smile and say, ( thank you , may we have another?)
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Its all about race. The first black president is too big too fail to these people. If this were Kerry or Gore, they would have fled a long time ago.
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Jag, you post fictional articles from the creative writer known as Sorcha Faal and try to pass them off as fact. Get off your high horse as you're the closest thing to a retard on the politics board.
I've never posted articles by Sorcha Faal
Tell us again how you have a 160 IQ but don't know that argon is an element. ::)
I have a 160 IQ, ...and now I know what argon is. :D
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China built a great wall thousands of years ago. Here is what you do. You round up all illegals, one at a time. Have them build huge camps around the border. They get decent food and water. Then as their numbers grow they are put to work building a huge wall all along the US border. With 10 million workers this should go much faster than the great wall of China. After this is completed you thank them for their labor and send them packing back to Mexico. The wall would have to be about 20-30 feet tall with motion sensors to detect activity along the mexican side.
Perhaps some of these illegals are allowed to stay if they can pay their way back in. But at least now you have a way to prevent future illegals from entering.
US citizens and legal immigrants can take the jobs that the illegals abandon while toiling on the wall. The Great Wall of USA
And with illegals building that wall, ...how many intentional weak spots do you think there'd be?
There'd be spots all along that wall where you could remove the bricks and crawl right through.
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And with illegals building that wall, ...how many intentional weak spots do you think there'd be?
There'd be spots all along that wall where you could remove the bricks and crawl right through.
You have a supervisor to make sure this does not happen. One supervisor can cover 20 workers. Inspect it for weak spots. Any found have to be rebuilt. The wall needs to be at least 8-10 feet thick, and solid. So patrols can navigate it with motorcycles. You have 10 million workers ready so even a 10 foot thick wall is possible.
So for 10 million workers you would need 500,000 supervisors. They could employ all the census workers!
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There is a simple solution to all of this.
Invade Mexico.
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Obama should be deported to Kenya or Elba. Or perhaps Alcatraz if I had my way.
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The way you secure the boarders is by heavily regulating companies who hire illegal immigrants and increasing boarder patrol security. A wall, fence or whatever is not going to do anything. More man power, technology, and infrared cameras can easily encompass vast portions of the boarder, that coupled with fast response teams will be a huge deterrent to people coming over.
Shoot to kill orders should be in place for anyone attempting to cross the boarder and they should be considered hostile invaders. Work permit programs should be set up and put in place for people living on boarder towns who wish to cross over for work etc.
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The way you secure the boarders is by heavily regulating companies who hire illegal immigrants and increasing boarder patrol security.
I agree. So does Drinking with Bob.
Some getbiggers don't want to bother the employers who hurt americans by hiring illegals. I don't understand that.
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It's not popular on here but Obama is right. You can not secure the border 100% and never will be able to without turning it into a DMZ type clone. What you can do is streamline and hasten the immigration process for those validly wanting to come here, help Mexico become a stronger economy so less nationals will want to come north and crack down on employers of illegals immigrants.
This however is not as popular on here as - build and fence and shoot to kill. Something i find rather disgusting to even think about happening in this great country of ours. :-X
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if we had a border with iran, we would have a shoot-to-kill border law, right?
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How can you say obama really believes that going after the employers is the best thing to do when he has just about rendered i.c.e powerless?
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I agree. So does Drinking with Bob.
Some getbiggers don't want to bother the employers who hurt americans by hiring illegals. I don't understand that.
Show me one post by one regular poster on this board stating that.
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Show me one post by one regular poster on this board stating that.
When i talk about the need to go after the employers, instead of checking legal americans for birth certs because DLs from Cali aren't good enough, people get all upset.
Bob said it right - go after the employers and dry up the work.
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When i talk about the need to go after the employers, instead of checking legal americans for birth certs because DLs from Cali aren't good enough, people get all upset.
Bob said it right - go after the employers and dry up the work.
Wrong, you claimed posters are against going after the employers, please show me who and where.
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Wrong, you claimed posters are against going after the employers, please show me who and where.
if I cared enough to spend an hour searching thousands of posts, i would do that. If I wanted to call out a certain poster for such a position, I would look them up.
But in general, we've had the debate here for months. Some people like the idea of ID checks on legal americans, over going after employers.
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I like both if we can get rid of the drug dealers, human smugglers, vagabonds, pedophiles, sex offenders, drunks, murders, etc.
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When i talk about the need to go after the employers, instead of checking legal americans for birth certs because DLs from Cali aren't good enough, people get all upset.
Bob said it right - go after the employers and dry up the work.
They could just as well do both and kill two birds with one stone. Or is this country only capable of doing one thing at a time?