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How much did Dana pay Carwin to do that? The choke wasnt even close to being tight. Very obvious that was fixed.
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Lesnar might be the worst HW champ I've ever seen. Nice of Carwin to take a dive, though. Didn't see that coming. ::)
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wow brocks voice sounds all weird, did carwin break his windpipe?
They should have stopped the fight in the first round, lesnar was done
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Who predicted this?
<---- This guy. ::)
how much you wanna bet Dana gave him an asured victory in the rematch? Christ what a shitty fight.
Bunch of letdowns this couple weeks.
Fedor, Lesnar, etc. Not even the fact that lesnar won, just how shitty a fight it was. Fail.
Plus they really played up Lesnars illness and how "great of a human being he is". lol.
Dana must have had a talk with them about on how to be nice.
Told yall, comeback kid. ::)
Just enough to make everyone cheer for him, jesus it was like a textbook WWE show, except with punches. fucking lawl.
This really was an embarrassment.
But the crowd loved it. I guess Dana is happy.
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brock took a beating, stuck in there and showed that he has progressed in the sport and whoever else tries to take him on is gona have their hands full
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brock took a beating, stuck in there and showed that he has progressed in the sport and whoever else tries to take him on is gona have their hands full
Progressed? The guy did nothing but get beat on the entire fight until Carwin let him submit him. What an embarrassment.
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"The two best heavyweights in the world" ::) If that's true mma really is a joke.
I like Brocks two statements, "I a new humble champion and Im still the toughest sob on the planet"
wow...class act all the way...
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"The two best heavyweights in the world" ::) If that's true mma really is a joke.
I like Brocks two statements, "I a new humble champion and Im still the toughest sob on the planet"
wow...class act all the way...
there two contradicting statements, then says he is blessed by god, like he is christ or something, really a put off
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How much did Dana pay Carwin to do that? The choke wasnt even close to being tight. Very obvious that was fixed.
hahahaha all the morons who guaranteed Carwin would win are going to come with all kinds of excuses now. Where is Mindlessspin and Fudgepacker
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You see Carwin wink at him before the start of the 2nd round? Signaling to brock ok, its time to submit me
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I didn't see him throw the fight.
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You see Carwin wink at him before the start of the 2nd round? Signaling to brock ok, its time to submit me
You sure can tell you are not an athlete or competed in sports. You gotta love you "couch athletes"
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Carwin completely gassed after 3 minutes of fighting ,best heavyweights in the world ::) ::)
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Lol. Even Rogan said, hes fine in this position, hes fine.. wait, uh... it over. ::)
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I didn't see him throw the fight.
hahhah coach voted for carwin to win, i voted for brock, i win i know more about mma than coach.
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actually it was over after the 1st round because in a fight if one guy gives the other a constant beating and dont put the other guy away when hes fresh at the start of the fight, well your in trouble, especially if you cant continue the beating in the 2nd round.
its a fight, sometimes you get punched, like brock did, stayed in it and kept fighting.
almost as if lesnar v mir 1, mir took a beating and used his experience and discipline held out and found an opening to get the win. brock did almost the same this fight.
he's becoming more well rounded as a fighter, even tho he took a few punches the 1st round carwin had him in a very bad position but couldn't put brock away, he just didn't have enough mustard to ko brock nor have the judge feel he had to stop it. alotta other guys would have got ko'd, brock is kinda tough to hang.
my stance is the same as when brock 1st got in mma and as i posted on this site years ago when he went ufc, brock is gonna be top guy in the sport and this fight is proof that it's a possibility. he'll be better next fight too.
btw, he did have that sickness too,so to come back from it and to fight and to win, well, thats a fighter all the way round
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How much did Dana pay Carwin to do that? The choke wasnt even close to being tight. Very obvious that was fixed.
Invalid argument. The ref was 1 sec from stopping the fight in the first round.
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You sure can tell you are not an athlete or competed in sports. You gotta love you "couch athletes"
atleast I can get off my couch and be able to walk to the kitchen and wipe my own ass. You cannot.
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Invalid argument. The ref was 1 sec from stopping the fight in the first round.
You arent sure thats why it WASNT stopped either, are you?
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Invalid argument. The ref was 1 sec from stopping the fight in the first round.
he was def paying close attention to what was going on,,, 3 ft away and he felt brock could still intelligently defend himself so he let them go. thats the rules and also just because he was punching and offensive doesnt mean there was mustard on those, add in that with each punch, mustard becomes less and less. proof is he couldnt knock him out or put him away so on top and punchin didn't cut it. he gave him a beating but couldn't/didn't beat him.
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brock was out for a second in the first round when he was getting demolished, the ref should have stopped it not sure why he let it go on with brock just letting carwin sack him
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brock was out for a second in the first round when he was getting demolished, the ref should have stopped it not sure why he let it go on with brock just letting carwin sack him
i thought so too, thats why if your out a sec they wait another 1 or 2 to see what you do and brock regained composure and held defense, let carwin punch himself out, ali used to do it. if the punches aren't that devastating and you can take them, good defense is let the guy wear himself out, save strength and then,,,,
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wow brocks voice sounds all weird, did carwin break his windpipe?
They should have stopped the fight in the first round, lesnar was done
WHAT!? Lesnar wasn't done and that was obvious. He wasn't hurt badly at all. He turtled and would throw and odd punch back to make sure the ref knew he was still ok. If he was done he wouldn't have gotten up and wouldn't have won the fight ::)
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WTF!? Threw the fight? Are you insane? :D
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still the toughest SOB around
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i thought so too, thats why if your out a sec they wait another 1 or 2 to see what you do and brock regained composure and held defense, let carwin punch himself out, ali used to do it. if the punches aren't that devastating and you can take them, good defense is let the guy wear himself out, save strength and then,,,,
thats the issue.....carwin won on that basis.....
its not a win or lose thing for the fight...i couldnt care less who won(i thought carwin would)
its a safety issue....look at carwins last fight with mir....they waited way too long to call it......look at the last strikeforce event with cyborg. that fight should have been stopped way earlier......these refs need to stop dicken around before one of these big org's have a death on their hands...
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if carwin had got his ass beat first round and then won by submission, you all (fickle people) would be saying he "has superior submission skills" and "hung through the first round like a champ" and "all lesnar could do was brawl"
basically if we just switched their names you wouldn't know the difference
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if carwin had got his ass beat first round and then won by submission, you all (fickle people) would be saying he "has superior submission skills" and "hung through the first round like a champ" and "all lesnar could do was brawl"
basically if we just switched their names you wouldn't know the difference
neither one of them have skills.....they are both just wrestlers...
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if lesnar woulda done the F5 carwin would be dead right now
oh and lesnar is not the toughest SOB around because stone cold was in the audience
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^ ten four on the stone cold comment, he was definitely the toughest s o b in the house as far as i could tell.
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^ ten four on the stone cold comment, he was definitely the toughest s o b in the house as far as i could tell.
i dont know....i saw a female in the audience that looked to have a higher test count than me when i was in NPC ;D
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these refs need to stop dicken around before one of these big org's have a death on their hands...
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NOTHING worse then a early stoppage though. Well death might be up there but.. lol
but especially in champ matchen they should make SURE to give them all the chances to move before they stop it etc.
RAther just a little bit too late the too early especially in a title fight
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thats the issue.....carwin won on that basis.....
its not a win or lose thing for the fight...i couldnt care less who won(i thought carwin would)
its a safety issue....look at carwins last fight with mir....they waited way too long to call it......look at the last strikeforce event with cyborg. that fight should have been stopped way earlier......these refs need to stop dicken around before one of these big org's have a death on their hands...
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disagree. its a fight. just because you get rocked for a second, its a fight, that happens, whats important is what happens after you get rocked, all different levels of rocked,, if you continue to stay the same or get worse, no "intelligent" defense or even muster some type of strike, then its over, that was almost what happened but after he got rocked for a sec, he regained senses and held on. its a fight and people get rocked, btw carwin couldnt put him away and he had control to do so.
most importantly above all else, it's a business, most important, no way was that fight getting stopped pre-mature, unless it was a horrific beating brock was getting, just constant hard face shots with no guard at all, then it woulda got stopped. they're fighters, it's a hw title bout, people all over world and fans paid money to see, ref was smart to let it keep going,,, brock it 6 whatever 260 whatever, one more punch, although it could, wouldn't make that much difference if he was ko'd.
lastly, the money that would have to be paid to grease a fighter in something like this must be astronomical amount because of the short and long term money that could be made off a possible win. it's partly the reason why athletes are paid well because it detours them from taking dives for short term money.
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hahhah coach voted for carwin to win, i voted for brock, i win i know more about mma than coach.
Grow up you little fuck before I hunt you down and beat the fag out of you!
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btw carwin couldnt put him away and he had control to do so.
An important fact alot of haters are overlooking.
Grow up you little fuck before I hunt you down and beat the fag out of you!
If you find him Coach, I'll drive!!!
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brock was out for a second in the first round when he was getting demolished, the ref should have stopped it not sure why he let it go on with brock just letting carwin sack him
Anyone else and they would of stopped it.
Brocks a beast, but come on. ::)
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I could give a crap who won....I didn't even know it was on until I saw it on ESPN
That being said......Swede is now the biggest homo on this site, bigger than JTsunami :D
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Anyone else and they would of stopped it.
Brocks a beast, but come on. ::)
In a championship fight they always let it go a little longer. Regardless, Brock was getting the shit knocked out of his head, if Carwin had it in him to KO him, he would have.
Team DickFace all the way baby!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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I could give a crap who won....I didn't even know it was on until I saw it on ESPN
That being said......Swede is now the biggest homo on this site, bigger than JTsunami :D
No way....JT has every homo beat on here by a long shot.
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I could give a crap who won....I didn't even know it was on until I saw it on ESPN
That being said......Swede is now the biggest homo on this site, bigger than JTsunami :D
No.
I'll give you a close second, but that jtsunami fag will reign supreme as the biggest knob polisher ever to put a keyboard in his ass and post with his prostate.
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No way....JT has every homo beat on here by a long shot.
That is true...... JTsunami is so gay his computer is probably HIV positive
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No.
I'll give you a close second, but that jtsunami fag will reign supreme as the biggest knob polisher ever to put a keyboard in his ass and post with his prostate.
LMAO...hahahahahaha!!
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No.
I'll give you a close second, but that jtsunami fag will reign supreme as the biggest knob polisher ever to put a keyboard in his ass and post with his prostate.
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When JT runs a virus scan on his computer it says "no viruses found but you have AIDS " ;D ;D
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JT is so gay if he shoved a vuvuzela up his ass and farted it would sound like a foghorn!
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After watching the fight....The fight was not fixed or I guess that would have been a big Oopppsss if Carwin would have knocked out Brock in the 1st...With that said, Fedor needs to come to UFC like yesterday and kick the shit out of Lesner....
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JT is so gay, when someone asked him about his protein intake, he replied, "I swallow 2.5 loads/lb of body weight everyday."
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Lol. Even Rogan said, hes fine in this position, hes fine.. wait, uh... it over. ::)
LMAO sorry bro epic misunderstanding and ignorance of grappling...when lesner first got the choke he didnt have it sinked in and whats his face was just fine when he tightened it up and started to apply leverage to him by getting up a little he had him instantly...it was really only a matter of time when lesner got his arms clenched before he was going to have a full on side choke...
whats his face should have won though I will say, this fight really shows that lesnar cant take a punch for shit...if the other guy could have defended against the take down or at the very least been able to grid lock lesnar on the ground he would have won...
both of their conditioning sucked
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LMAO sorry bro epic misunderstanding and ignorance of grappling...when lesner first got the choke he didnt have it sinked in and whats his face was just fine when he tightened it up and started to apply leverage to him by getting up a little he had him instantly...it was really only a matter of time when lesner got his arms clenched before he was going to have a full on side choke...
whats his face should have won though I will say, this fight really shows that lesnar cant take a punch for shit...if the other guy could have defended against the take down or at the very least been able to grid lock lesnar on the ground he would have won...
both of their conditioning sucked
Gotta disagree here, Carwin was the KO artist everyone said would expose Brocks weak chin, Brock took a beating and kept going, how is that not taking a punch? His reaction to the incoming punches was hilarious, but he still took them.
As far as conditioning, how can you say Brocks conditioning was off? He got his ass kicked for the first round, then came back the second round, got the take down and the submission.......seemed like Brock was A OK even after getting beat up the first round, Carwin on the other hand, was gassed and it was obvious.
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LMAO sorry bro epic misunderstanding and ignorance of grappling...when lesner first got the choke he didnt have it sinked in and whats his face was just fine when he tightened it up and started to apply leverage to him by getting up a little he had him instantly...it was really only a matter of time when lesner got his arms clenched before he was going to have a full on side choke...
whats his face should have won though I will say, this fight really shows that lesnar cant take a punch for shit...if the other guy could have defended against the take down or at the very least been able to grid lock lesnar on the ground he would have won...
both of their conditioning sucked
^^^that. Besides Lesner had no choice but to got to the ground. Even though they weighed the same, Lesner was too heavily muscled to keep his arms up during his stand up. Carwin absolutely kicked the f**k out of him in the first round.
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After watching the fight....The fight was not fixed or I guess that would have been a big Oopppsss if Carwin would have knocked out Brock in the 1st...With that said, Fedor needs to come to UFC like yesterday and kick the shit out of Lesner....
I honestly didnt think the black guy boxer whatever his name is had a chance against lesnar but after seeing lesner ball up like a little girl after getting hit I could see a boxer beating his ass.
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^^^that. Besides Lesner had no choice but to got to the ground. Even though they weighed the same, Lesner was too heavily muscled to keep his arms up during his stand up. Carwin absolutely kicked the f**k out of him in the first round.
Lesnar has no stand up, he needs to work with a boxer until his next fight to learn how to gauge and throw punches.
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Gotta disagree here, Carwin was the KO artist everyone said would expose Brocks weak chin, Brock took a beating and kept going, how is that not taking a punch? His reaction to the incoming punches was hilarious, but he still took them.
As far as conditioning, how can you say Brocks conditioning was off? He got his ass kicked for the first round, then came back the second round, got the take down and the submission.......seemed like Brock was A OK even after getting beat up the first round, Carwin on the other hand, was gassed and it was obvious.
LOL bro honestly if that was any other fight it would have been stopped 45 secs into the first round...dont get me wrong I like that they let it go but ive seen fights get stopped for way less than that...
brock got hit 2 or 3 times with solid punchs when he was standing and you saw what happend...at the very best he is a pussy who wont take a punch at the worst he is a guy who cant take a punch...
lesnar was gassed too at the end of the 1st too and he wasnt punch drunk like the other guy, Im sorry man i havent seen brock fight one well rounded individual as soon as he does he is donzo. He is a not a good grappler, a real good wrestler but not a good grappler and tonight he was shown as someone who will not take a punch...
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LOL bro honestly if that was any other fight it would have been stopped 45 secs into the first round...dont get me wrong I like that they let it go but ive seen fights get stopped for way less than that...
brock got hit 2 or 3 times with solid punchs when he was standing and you saw what happend...at the very best he is a pussy who wont take a punch at the worst he is a guy who cant take a punch...
lesnar was gassed too at the end of the 1st too and he wasnt punch drunk like the other guy, Im sorry man i havent seen brock fight one well rounded individual as soon as he does he is donzo. He is a not a good grappler, a real good wrestler but not a good grappler and tonight he was shown as someone who will not take a punch...
"take a punch" as in stand there and allow someone to punch him in the face? I wouldn't either, in MMA you're kinda suppose to avoid that. ;) Carwin came with a fury and Brock looked like a bitch running away trying to avoid it, no argument there, but Carwin dotted him on the chin a few times and Brock was able to weather the storm.
However I just watched the fight again, for the 3rd time........75% of Carwins punches missed Lesnar or hit his arms during the ground and pound. The entire time Lesnar moved and made it noticable to the ref that he was defending or trying to get out of that position, I don't see why they would have stopped the fight. At first I agreed with everyone adn said they would have stopped it if it was anybody else, but after watching it again and again, I changed my opinion, Carwin is a lousy shot and missed or had blocked most of the punches he threw. Obviously several landed but not as many as you first think.
And I am still going to disagree about Lesnar being gassed, he had enough to come out to round 2 and go for the take down and submission.
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looked like Carwin gave it away ???
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"take a punch" as in stand there and allow someone to punch him in the face? I wouldn't either, in MMA you're kinda suppose to avoid that. ;) Carwin came with a fury and Brock looked like a bitch running away trying to avoid it, no argument there, but Carwin dotted him on the chin a few times and Brock was able to weather the storm.
However I just watched the fight again, for the 3rd time........75% of Carwins punches missed Lesnar or hit his arms during the ground and pound. The entire time Lesnar moved and made it noticable to the ref that he was defending or trying to get out of that position, I don't see why they would have stopped the fight. At first I agreed with everyone adn said they would have stopped it if it was anybody else, but after watching it again and again, I changed my opinion, Carwin is a lousy shot and missed or had blocked most of the punches he threw. Obviously several landed but not as many as you first think.
And I am still going to disagree about Lesnar being gassed, he had enough to come out to round 2 and go for the take down and submission.
Like you said carwin didnt hit lesnar many times especially standing he caught him once when he was going for a take down and then with an upper cut later...you get that boxer in there with a little bit of knowledge on how to defend a take down or how to handle himself on the ground and grid lock the fight up and lesnars ass is done...
Ill give you lesnar was in better shape for round 2 than carwin but carwin was punch drunk at the end of the first round and lesnar who spent the entire round curled up in the fetal position was also gassed at the end of the first round too...
he took carwin down within the first 20 secs or so of round 2 and basically had to get passed the half guard of a limp noodle which doesnt take much energy...I wasnt impressed at all by either of these dudes
I havent seen fedor fight in a long long time but if he is anything of the fedor of old he would hand lesnar his big ass on multiple silver platters.
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75% of Carwins punches missed Lesnar or hit his arms during the ground and pound. The entire time Lesnar moved and made it noticable to the ref that he was defending or trying to get out of that position, I don't see why they would have stopped the fight.
I agree.. Lesnar was never in trouble. His skull is too thick.
Carwin gassed fast and was useless after that. He always seems to be full of nerves in a fight. He blew his wad half way through the first round and was done.
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Refs usually let it go a little longer for high profile matches, watch brock vs mir 2 and carwin vs mir. Better to have a late stoppage than risking an early one. And if you compare the pounding carwin gave on Mir with the one he gave on Lensar, you will see the difference
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Nobody threw any fight. Lesnar took a BEATING and kept his hands up. Carwin gassed and that's that. If I had to guess i would imagine Carwin did not train seriously enough. He gassed WAY WAY WAY too quick. Also Lesnar looks like he has no clue what the fuck to do on his back. He really is not a developed fighter.
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A 100% fix for sure, I hope Carwin was paid more than 40k to throw the fight
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...With that said, Fedor needs to come to UFC like yesterday and kick the shit out of Lesner....
Fedor wouldn't last 60 seconds against Brock, sorry.
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Watch it quick before it disappears.
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How much did Dana pay Carwin to do that? The choke wasnt even close to being tight. Very obvious that was fixed.
How much time have you ever spent in the mat? I'm going to guess zero. You have no idea what really fatigue and physical exhaustion is like.
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You sure can tell you are not an athlete or competed in sports. You gotta love you "couch athletes"
x100000. These guys have no idea. No fucking idea at all.
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NOTHING worse then a early stoppage though. Well death might be up there but.. lol
but especially in champ matchen they should make SURE to give them all the chances to move before they stop it etc.
RAther just a little bit too late the too early especially in a title fight
100% right! The fact that Brock came back to submit Carwin proves that the fight should not have been stopped.
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Anyone else and they would of stopped it.
Brocks a beast, but come on. ::)
Matt Hughes was out when Trigg was whaling on him but came back to beat Trigg. One of the greatest fights in UFC history. Brock was fine and never looked hurt. You could tell Carwin was getting gassed. Just look at him as he stood up and backed away a bit to get his breath.
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Gotta disagree here, Carwin was the KO artist everyone said would expose Brocks weak chin, Brock took a beating and kept going, how is that not taking a punch? His reaction to the incoming punches was hilarious, but he still took them.
As far as conditioning, how can you say Brocks conditioning was off? He got his ass kicked for the first round, then came back the second round, got the take down and the submission.......seemed like Brock was A OK even after getting beat up the first round, Carwin on the other hand, was gassed and it was obvious.
Exactly. Brock won because he was tougher and far, far better conditioned. Seriously, did he look tired at all after the fight? The guy was jumping around. Wrestlers are some of the best conditioned athletes in the world. A D1 wrestler, a D1 champ, like Brock, are conditioned beyond belief. Don't believe me? Try to wrestle for just 3 minutes.
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I honestly didnt think the black guy boxer whatever his name is had a chance against lesnar but after seeing lesner ball up like a little girl after getting hit I could see a boxer beating his ass.
When you are on the ground getting whaled on balling up is exactly what you are suppose to do.
"Little girl" huh? You must be a beast in the ring or cage "tonymctones"? Maybe you should give Brock some lessons on how to fight.
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LOL bro honestly if that was any other fight it would have been stopped 45 secs into the first round...dont get me wrong I like that they let it go but ive seen fights get stopped for way less than that...
brock got hit 2 or 3 times with solid punchs when he was standing and you saw what happend...at the very best he is a pussy who wont take a punch at the worst he is a guy who cant take a punch...
lesnar was gassed too at the end of the 1st too and he wasnt punch drunk like the other guy, Im sorry man i havent seen brock fight one well rounded individual as soon as he does he is donzo. He is a not a good grappler, a real good wrestler but not a good grappler and tonight he was shown as someone who will not take a punch...
What kind of background do you have in fighting? Frank Mir is a world's class BJJ fighter and submitted a Mundial BJJ champ in the cage while he was still a purple belt. His stand up game is also top notched as he showed against Nog and Kongo.
And Brock can't take a punch, eh? He was pounded for several minutes from one of the hardest strikers in the game.
Again I won't even go into Brock's superb conditioning. Stick to oiled men thongs because you know absolutely nothing -- nothing -- about fighting.
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A 100% fix for sure, I hope Carwin was paid more than 40k to throw the fight
100% sure, huh? Why not just call Carwin a souless chump without a shred of honor. You know him so well?
Add another absolutely clueless idiot to this thread.
Stop watching MMA and stick to oiled men bumping into each other during a posedown as they "do battle."
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You sure can tell you are not an athlete or competed in sports. You gotta love you "couch athletes"
I just want to quote this one more time as it is so fucking spot on.
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Watch it quick before it disappears.
Thanks for that, as has been pointed out, when you gas/fatigue especially as a Big guy its really difficult to get a second wind as in asap...Carwin punched himself out... Lesnar weathered the storm.
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Fedor wouldn't last 60 seconds against Brock, sorry.
yeah, it wouldnt take fedor that long to beat brock.
you must be knew to MMA as fedor beat some of the best when they were in their primes.
he would easily KO or submit brock. we saw tonight how brock handles punches during the stand up.
fedor wouldnt gas like shane did.
there is a reason dana never had a match outside the UFC with fedor - he knew fedor would win and then who would buy UFC ppv's featuring brock.
dana learned this lesson when he sent chuck over to PRIDE in 2004 and he lost badly.
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I couldn't read half the shit some of you guys put on here. First off I really like Lesnar. But he is not the #1 fighter. He has NO standup. He cannot box at all. he backups and does not cover up properly. His saving factor is that he is super strong and can take a certain amount of a beating. He covered up good enough not to get hit bad enough to be hurt. Carwin ran out of gas way to fast. Lesnar is not any good on his back either. His best position is on top by far. He is so strong and massive and knowledgeable being on top and keeping a man down. That is what he is good at. He can hit really good from the top and can deliver really hard short punches. Getting a choke was something I did not expect and I thought he did really good getting it and keeping it on. He is so strong that it helped greatly and if someone like Carwin with his strength couldn't get out of it then not many others would.
Now Lesnar is ranked #1 in the world. But, no way in hell would he be able to beat Fedor right now. No way in the world. Fedor would out box him so much and with Fedor's power punches I think he would hurt Lesnar. And I think Fedor would be smart enough to get behind Lesnar and avoid being caught on the bottom. But, having someone like Lesnar who is NOT a complete fighter and lacks standup skills as much as he does, he shouldn't be the #1 fighter. But, the UFC has a weak heavyweight division but there are a couple out there that could beat him. I think Lesnar can get better though,
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I couldn't read half the shit some of you guys put on here. First off I really like Lesnar. But he is not the #1 fighter. He has NO standup. He cannot box at all. he backups and does not cover up properly. His saving factor is that he is super strong and can take a certain amount of a beating. He covered up good enough not to get hit bad enough to be hurt. Carwin ran out of gas way to fast. Lesnar is not any good on his back either. His best position is on top by far. He is so strong and massive and knowledgeable being on top and keeping a man down. That is what he is good at. He can hit really good from the top and can deliver really hard short punches. Getting a choke was something I did not expect and I thought he did really good getting it and keeping it on. He is so strong that it helped greatly and if someone like Carwin with his strength couldn't get out of it then not many others would.
Now Lesnar is ranked #1 in the world. But, no way in hell would he be able to beat Fedor right now. No way in the world. Fedor would out box him so much and with Fedor's power punches I think he would hurt Lesnar. And I think Fedor would be smart enough to get behind Lesnar and avoid being caught on the bottom. But, having someone like Lesnar who is NOT a complete fighter and lacks standup skills as much as he does, he shouldn't be the #1 fighter. But, the UFC has a weak heavyweight division but there are a couple out there that could beat him. I think Lesnar can get better though,
Brock is big, strong, super tough and a great disciplined athlete. He will only get better. But you're right. Too many holes for someone like Fedor and maybe even Overeem. The HW division is weak and that is his saving grace.
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Glad i didn't stay up/wake up early to watch it.
I saw a Carwin fight on a highlight show last night and was unimpressed. He got the knockout, but he seemed to struggle aside from the stand up. After seeing that i didn't feel he'd beat Lesnar.
Carwin had the chance to finish him but he gassed and couldn't put the final nail in the coffin. Brock took a pounding well and from the way he recovered it's clear the fight shouldn't have been stopped.
I'm neither a Brock-hater or a guy. The guy's not bad, getting better maybe but he's been beaten before and he'll get beaten again.
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big strong guy, well conditioned for sure
But like most MMA fighters they dont have good chins, the moment he was hit by that uppercut he got rocked and backed up.
Not to mention his boxing/striking skills(since they dont seem to use much of their legs) are terrible
Brock is a one dimensional fighter
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But like most MMA fighters they dont have good chins, the moment he was hit by that uppercut he got rocked and backed up.
LOL at the morons claiming Lesnar does not have a chin. WTF?
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How much time have you ever spent in the mat? I'm going to guess zero. You have no idea what really fatigue and physical exhaustion is like.
x2 people who have never stepped on a mat should not be allowed to watch mma at all
or wear tapout
or yell out the moves to do while sitting in hooters
or make any type of statement regarding a atheletes performance
or play it on xbox 360
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pretty weak fight. 99% of guys would have been KO'd in that early Carwin fisy flurry.
After that, he was just ready to fall down on his own. Brock gave him the out.
This morning, Brock is no doubt much more fuct up than Carwin.
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pretty weak fight. 99% of guys would have been KO'd in that early Carwin fisy flurry.
After that, he was just ready to fall down on his own. Brock gave him the out.
This morning, Brock is no doubt much more fuct up than Carwin.
Brock is more fucked up and the champion still. That tends to mend the wounds better just to let you know. Brock covered up good enough to get through the barrage thrown by Carwin. Carwin ran out of gas. When he did Lesnar got out right away.
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When you are on the ground getting whaled on balling up is exactly what you are suppose to do.
"Little girl" huh? You must be a beast in the ring or cage "tonymctones"? Maybe you should give Brock some lessons on how to fight.
What kind of background do you have in fighting? Frank Mir is a world's class BJJ fighter and submitted a Mundial BJJ champ in the cage while he was still a purple belt. His stand up game is also top notched as he showed against Nog and Kongo.
And Brock can't take a punch, eh? He was pounded for several minutes from one of the hardest strikers in the game.
Again I won't even go into Brock's superb conditioning. Stick to oiled men thongs because you know absolutely nothing -- nothing -- about fighting.
LMFAO well lets see my background in fighting? hmmm Im a 2 time national judo champ...have trained in japan multiple times at colleges with two japanese olympian coaches, have trained with multiple olympians here in the US...That good enough for you? ;)
what is your background in fighting pellius?
LOL youre not suppoesed to ball up like a little girl...youre supposed to try and bring him in so he cant throw punches, counter with a leg lock like he tried to do after getting a little composure back...you DO NOT SIT THERE AND LET HIM HIT YOU...
Dude carwin missed so many punches dude you get that boxer in there who Ive got to believe has better striking accuracy with a little bit of training on how to defend against a take down and brock is done...
if you look at my posts im actually saying alot of the same things you are ::) brock is not a well rounded fighter and as soon as he comes up against one he is done...
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LMFAO well lets see my background in fighting? hmmm Im a 2 time national judo champ...have trained in japan multiple times at colleges with two japanese olympian coaches, have trained with multiple olympians here in the US...That good enough for you? ;)
what is your background in fighting pellius?
LOL youre not suppoesed to ball up like a little girl...youre supposed to try and bring him in so he cant throw punches, counter with a leg lock like he tried to do after getting a little composure back...you DO NOT SIT THERE AND LET HIM HIT YOU...
Dude carwin missed so many punches dude you get that boxer in there who Ive got to believe has better striking accuracy with a little bit of training on how to defend against a take down and brock is done...
if you look at my posts im actually saying alot of the same things you are ::) brock is not a well rounded fighter and as soon as he comes up against one he is done...
You are right. But I think Brock balled-up like he did cause in reality that is a natural position for almost anyone getting beat like that without any training. A person does what he can to protect himself and balling up is the answer to people who don't know what to do. Brock obviously does not know what to do on his back or in that situation. Once Carwin ran out of gas he was aware enough to recognize that and then get out. When Brock gets hit he looks like a person in a school yard fight when he puts his head down and holds his arms out. He does go backwards too. he just is not a boxer. he really needs to work on his standup. With his power and size it would be a very good tool for him. But, his condition and heart is top notch. He didn't seem to tired
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No way....JT has every homo beat on here by a long shot.
Now, I'm insulted Coach..
:'(
"1"
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You are right. But I think Brock balled-up like he did cause in reality that is a natural position for almost anyone getting beat like that without any training. A person does what he can to protect himself and balling up is the answer to people who don't know what to do. Brock obviously does not know what to do on his back or in that situation. Once Carwin ran out of gas he was aware enough to recognize that and then get out. When Brock gets hit he looks like a person in a school yard fight when he puts his head down and holds his arms out. He does go backwards too. he just is not a boxer. he really needs to work on his standup. With his power and size it would be a very good tool for him. But, his condition and heart is top notch. He didn't seem to tired
exactly, you get that boxer with a little training and he hits lesnar with a jab then lesnar looks at his feet LMAO that guys is going to feel like he just won a free steak dinner...
brock was gassed at the end of the first round you can watch the videos and see when he has carwing pinned against the cage...
I agree with pellius that wrestlers are some of the best conditioned athletes in the world but what brock did in the 2nd round was more than enough time to recover he didnt really expend that much energy from the position he was in.
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LOL at the morons claiming Lesnar does not have a chin. WTF?
Brock gets rocked by the first decent shot he takes
And Carwin doesnt even compare to an elite heavyweight boxer
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exactly, you get that boxer with a little training and he hits lesnar with a jab then lesnar looks at his feet LMAO that guys is going to feel like he just won a free steak dinner...
brock was gassed at the end of the first round you can watch the videos and see when he has carwing pinned against the cage...
I agree with pellius that wrestlers are some of the best conditioned athletes in the world but what brock did in the 2nd round was more than enough time to recover he didnt really expend that much energy from the position he was in.
First, now that I'm awake.........
Let's remember this was Brocks first fight back, there must have been some nerves going into it.
Second he was fighting a guy touted to have the greatest KO power, more nerves.
Third, Carwin couldn't completely defend the takedown in the first, who else has the wrestling ability carwin does to avoid that? A boxer?
Fourth, Brock just spent most of the first round on his back getting bet up and was able to take advantage of Carwin stepping away to catch his breath and stand up, so he held him against the cage until the round ended..........that's your excuse for saying Brock gassed? Find yourself a video of the fight and look at Brock when he comes out for the second round.......he looks fresh and ready, Carwin looks exhausted.
Fifth, Carwin couldn't finish Brock when he had the chance, elbows, punches Carwin was lost on the ground, nobody has ever taken that kind of abuse from him and made it out of the first.
Watch the fight a couple more times tony, Brock trys several times to grab an ankle or Carwins head, he's just eating punches when he does so he covers back up.
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Third, Carwin couldn't completely defend the takedown in the first, who else has the wrestling ability carwin does to avoid that? A boxer?
Fourth, Brock just spent most of the first round on his back getting bet up and was able to take advantage of Carwin stepping away to catch his breath and stand up, so he held him against the cage until the round ended..........that's your excuse for saying Brock gassed? Find yourself a video of the fight and look at Brock when he comes out for the second round.......he looks fresh and ready, Carwin looks exhausted.
Fifth, Carwin couldn't finish Brock when he had the chance, elbows, punches Carwin was lost on the ground, nobody has ever taken that kind of abuse from him and made it out of the first.
Watch the fight a couple more times tony, Brock trys several times to grab an ankle or Carwins head, he's just eating punches when he does so he covers back up.
im not even going to address the nerves comments...
bro watch it again what may look like him trying to grab something is lesnar trying to block punches he did try once or twice to bring him in but thats it...
carwin did do good with not getting taken down in the first round though...
of course brock looks fresh and carwin looks gassed brock didnt do shit and carwin was punch drunk...
the guy on his back has an decided advantage in energy consumption, carwin should have started to pace himself when he realized he wasnt going to finish lesnar in the first round.
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Grow up you little fuck before I hunt you down and beat the fag out of you!
haha sore loser just like all the republicans, all hail President Obama, your president, my president, the peoples president.
jt
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im not even going to address the nerves comments...
bro watch it again what may look like him trying to grab something is lesnar trying to block punches he did try once or twice to bring him in but thats it...
carwin did do good with not getting taken down in the first round though...
of course brock looks fresh and carwin looks gassed brock didnt do shit and carwin was punch drunk...
the guy on his back has an decided advantage in energy consumption, carwin should have started to pace himself when he realized he wasnt going to finish lesnar in the first round.
*sigh*
Your blind hatred has skewed your objective opinion, it's cool.
I have no horse in any of these fights, all fighters are tools for me to enjoy watching them abuse each other. I watched that fight 4 times now and I see a different fight than you do, it's all speculation as to what we think was going on, but I saw a guy trying to defend and cover an onslaught.
That being said, I agree 10000000000000000% that Brock running like a scared bitch was fucking hilarious, no doubt! ;D
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*sigh*
Your blind hatred has skewed your objective opinion, it's cool.
I have no horse in any of these fights, all fighters are tools for me to enjoy watching them abuse each other. I watched that fight 4 times now and I see a different fight than you do, it's all speculation as to what we think was going on, but I saw a guy trying to defend and cover an onslaught.
That being said, I agree 10000000000000000% that Brock running like a scared bitch was fucking hilarious, no doubt! ;D
LOL i agree a big man like that hahahha that was some funny shit...
I dont have a horse either though I actually dont like the UFC these days its to much fluff and pagentry and they put on fights way to often to have a consistant base of good fighters...its turned into brawling matches but I guess that was going to be the evolution of it anyway...
I dont dislike lesnar either he is obviously extremely overrated and overhyped if you ask me though...
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LMFAO well lets see my background in fighting? hmmm Im a 2 time national judo champ...have trained in japan multiple times at colleges with two japanese olympian coaches, have trained with multiple olympians here in the US...That good enough for you? ;)
what is your background in fighting pellius?
LOL youre not suppoesed to ball up like a little girl...youre supposed to try and bring him in so he cant throw punches, counter with a leg lock like he tried to do after getting a little composure back...you DO NOT SIT THERE AND LET HIM HIT YOU...
Dude carwin missed so many punches dude you get that boxer in there who Ive got to believe has better striking accuracy with a little bit of training on how to defend against a take down and brock is done...
if you look at my posts im actually saying alot of the same things you are ::) brock is not a well rounded fighter and as soon as he comes up against one he is done...
Friend, Judo ain't fighting. No offense, brah, but as a Blue Belt in Jiu-Jitsu I was routinely submitting Black Belts back in the 1990s during free training (they don't stand you back up after a few minutes). I started at the original Gracie Torrance academy in 1991. Was there when it all began. Was there at the first UFC. Watch Rickson school Royce like a little cub getting him ready for his UFC debut. In fact, my first BJJ lesson was with Royce. Did the in house bare knuckle no rules fighting. We went to Indian Reservations where we didn't have to worry about legal issues. Those were the days when the Gracies had an open challenge to any and all comers and 10 grand if you could be them.
Sure Brock isn't well rounded. He isn't going to be a guard fighter. He balled up to protect himself and it worked. The fight shouldn't have been stopped which is so blindingly obvious because Brock wasn't hurt and went on to beat Carwin. Brock, despite lacking some skills, is a tough MoFo and ain't no little girl. To say he can't take a punch is just assinine.
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hey groink, you chime in every mma thread, good to see you are becominng a a fan too!!
I didn't even watch the fight, saw the highlights on ESPN. I think MMA is for douchebags
I clicked on these threads to see how bad Swede would melt over Brock winning.....he did not disappoint :)
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Friend, Judo ain't fighting. No offense, brah, but as a Blue Belt in Jiu-Jitsu I was routinely submitting Black Belts back in the 1990s during free training (they don't stand you back up after a few minutes). I started at the original Gracie Torrance academy in 1991. Was there when it all began. Was there at the first UFC. Watch Rickson school Royce like a little cub getting him ready for his UFC debut. In fact, my first BJJ lesson was with Royce. Did the in house bare knuckle no rules fighting. We went to Indian Reservations where we didn't have to worry about legal issues. Those were the days when the Gracies had an open challenge to any and all comers and 10 grand if you could be them.
Sure Brock isn't well rounded. He isn't going to be a guard fighter. He balled up to protect himself and it worked. The fight shouldn't have been stopped which is so blindingly obvious because Brock wasn't hurt and went on to beat Carwin. Brock, despite lacking some skills, is a tough MoFo and ain't no little girl. To say he can't take a punch is just assinine.
LMAO my friend i crossed trained heavily in BJJ and traditional judo isnt fighting ive said it many times on here but I didnt do traditional judo hoss...I did competitive judo crossed trained in BJJ no gi wrestling and a little bit of sambo with a sambo national champ... ;) judo players didnt even really start concentrating on ground work until recently it was all manly standing and 99% of BJJ guys ive ever randorid with i could plant on the mat at will...
I agree its different as ive said many many times on here but dont try and act like I have no idea whats going on ::)
LOL brock is a big dude and he uses his size very well, He didnt really get caught with a solid shot but Ill say he doesnt have a glass jaw but he certainly is afraid of getting hit....
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My favorite part was when the kid gave brock his xience energy drink and brock gave his his death clutch tshirt.
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big strong guy, well conditioned for sure
But like most MMA fighters they dont have good chins, the moment he was hit by that uppercut he got rocked and backed up.
Not to mention his boxing/striking skills(since they dont seem to use much of their legs) are terrible
Brock is a one dimensional fighter
LOL @ don't have a good chin. He ate punches and spit them out like they were nothing.
Brock's "one dimension" is better than everyone elses multiple dimensions combined. FACT. He's crushed every oponent despite the different styles among them.
I'm not a fan at all. I was cheering for Carwin big time and loved that first round. I want to see Brock get his ass kicked more than anything. BUT, there's no one even close to him right now... he would make Fedor look like a geriatric right now, and even in Fedor's prime, I doubt he lasts more than 2 rounds against Brock. and no one else, in any of the organizations HW divisions are even close right now.
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Progressed? The guy did nothing but get beat on the entire fight until Carwin let him submit him. What an embarrassment.
Means nothing. Its all about who picks up the win in the end and Brock won. Case closed.
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I didn't even watch the fight, saw the highlights on ESPN. I think MMA is for douchebags
I clicked on these threads to see how bad Swede would melt over Brock winning.....he did not disappoint :)
He was on suicide watch before the end of the 1st..