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Interesting.
Obama ramped up war more than any repub in 60 years.
Reagan wanted to ban all nukes and added a ton of new govt jobs, and sure did spend.
Makes some ppl believe the prez is gonna do almost the same thing, no matter what the party.
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The only candidate that every represented true change was Ron Paul.
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Id say the answer is simple.Reagan won the cold war WITHOUT firing a shot by building up the military.Reagan cut the top tax rates from 70% to 28% .Obama is sending kids into a losing situation with a shitty plan and is about to unleash taxes up the ass.Hmmmm,I think Im going to have to with Reagan.
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Interesting.
Obama ramped up war more than any repub in 60 years.
Reagan wanted to ban all nukes and added a ton of new govt jobs, and sure did spend.
Makes some ppl believe the prez is gonna do almost the same thing, no matter what the party.
Reagan out spent the Soviets on upgrading the US military, Bush invaded to countries and undertook the surge in 2007 when everybody said it was wrong...including Barry....240 ur kung fu is weak as usual.
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Perception is everything. Reaganites have done a great job spinning him into the conservative hero he never was based on one tax cut, without mentioning the later raises and deficit. Obama however, is perceived as so liberal he's not even on the radar of democracy and has now become a communist. This despite having a significant tax rebate and following the internationally believed need for stimulus money to stop deflation and a further global meltdown.
I honestly think Obama is more conservative than people give him credit for. He's very in touch with the corporate side of politics and has shown that again and again with his watered down policies. If you were to judge him on his presidency so far you'd probably concluded he's basically a republican with some perceived left leaning traits/beliefs about universal health care and a republican born idea of cap and trade system.
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We could also flip this and i'm sure most liberals would be loath to admit that even Bush wasn't as conservative as he was/is perceived to be. Certainly not when compared to Obama thus far who is supposed to be ultra left.
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We could also flip this and i'm sure most liberals would be loath to admit that even Bush wasn't as conservative as he was/is perceived to be. Certainly not when compared to Obama thus far who is supposed to be ultra left.
I think you are on to something, but don't realize it KC.
Obama/Bush/ et al, are politicians and not like us. They morph into what their handlers want and tell them to do.
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Perception is everything. Reaganites have done a great job spinning him into the conservative hero he never was based on one tax cut, without mentioning the later raises and deficit. Obama however, is perceived as so liberal he's not even on the radar of democracy and has now become a communist. This despite having a significant tax rebate and following the internationally believed need for stimulus money to stop deflation and a further global meltdown.
I honestly think Obama is more conservative than people give him credit for. He's very in touch with the corporate side of politics and has shown that again and again with his watered down policies. If you were to judge him on his presidency so far you'd probably concluded he's basically a republican with some perceived left leaning traits/beliefs about universal health care and a republican born idea of cap and trade system.
There was a deficit because Reagan was trying to destroy the soviets in an arms race WHICH HE WON!!!
Obama is the farthest left wing liberal in the history of this country.There isnt a thing he stands for that can be even remotely considered conservative.Not a social issue,not an economic issue.
So far he has socialised the auto indistry the banking industry,health care,student loan program,dropped charges against the black panthers etc etc ,rewarded unions,spent a trillion dollars on a bailout of federal union jobs.Yes,Id definately get him confused with a conservative.
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Reagan out spent the Soviets on upgrading the US military, Bush invaded to countries and undertook the surge in 2007 when everybody said it was wrong...including Barry....240 ur kung fu is weak as usual.
HH6 good to see you! ;)
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I think you are on to something, but don't realize it KC.
Obama/Bush/ et al, are politicians and not like us. They morph into what their handlers want and tell them to do.
Well they always have done and always will as long as the money and influence of big business can be exerted on the white house and senate/house. Until we stop such a retarded system of - money=influence=democracy for the few. We will continue to have presidents who whilst having their own twist on certain issues (usually social ones) will still be just like the one before them, and the one before that, and so on.
We haven't had a revolutionary leader since the 30's and 40's. Nothing new has been done it's still the same rehash of arguments and issues, the same policies built along the same lines. We need something different and we won't have it until we stop that money=influence=democracy for the few cycle.
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Well they always have done and always will as long as the money and influence of big business can be exerted on the white house and senate/house. Until we stop such a retarded system of - money=influence=democracy for the few. We will continue to have presidents who whilst having their own twist on certain issues (usually social ones) will still be just like the one before them, and the one before that, and so on.
We haven't had a revolutionary leader since the 30's and 40's. Nothing new has been done it's still the same rehash of arguments and issues, the same policies built along the same lines. We need something different and we won't have it until we stop that money=influence=democracy for the few cycle.
Like a Gen. Eisenhower?
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obama outspent every nation on earth combined, tenfold.
he's spent way more than reagan on military.
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obama outspent every nation on earth combined, tenfold.
he's spent way more than reagan on military.
And outspent Reagan twenty fold on social programs as well.
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And outspent Reagan twenty fold on social programs as well.
With nothing to show for it but an increasing UE rate, national debt, etc.
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Dumb thread.
Dumb segment.
The tagline of "Obama the Conservative?" is laughable and utterly pathetic and desperate.
I am at work and my computer has no speakers so I can't hear the audio. But let me guess...this was on MSNBC so they either declared that Obama is a Conservative and more so than Reagan or that Obama really isn't all that Liberal and is farther to the right than we think.
Again, it's a guess, but one that I am probably in the ballpark with.
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And outspent Reagan twenty fold on social programs as well.
great point.
Obama cared about the american people, and american military might.
Sounds like this reagan guy - by virtue of his spending - cared a lot less.
I really admire Reagan, but your argument is one I can't beat, BILLY. Props.
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great point.
Obama cared about the american people, and american military might.
Sounds like this reagan guy - by virtue of his spending - cared a lot less.
I really admire Reagan, but your argument is one I can't beat, BILLY. Props.
Thats only if you think government can help the poor.They have declared a war on the poor and have been fighting it for thirty years and the poor are still poor.In fact,under Obamas benevolance there are FAR more UE today then when he started so apparently he really doesnt care at all for the less fortunate because if he did he woyuld have come up with a better program then giving unions 800 billion dollars and calling it a stimulus plan.
Id say Obama is actually purposely making more poor people because he hates Americans.Anyone that truly cared wouldnt have put in policies which gurantee failure.
18,000,000 got jobs under Reagan.4,000,000 lost jobs under Obama.
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Thats only if you think government can help the poor.They have declared a war on the poor and have been fighting it for thirty years and the poor are still poor.In fact,under Obamas benevolance there are FAR more UE today then when he started so apparently he really doesnt care at all for the less fortunate because if he did he woyuld have come up with a better program then giving unions 800 billion dollars and calling it a stimulus plan.
Id say Obama is actually purposely making more poor people because he hates Americans.Anyone that truly cared wouldnt have put in policies which gurantee failure.
18,000,000 got jobs under Reagan.4,000,000 lost jobs under Obama Bush's Depression.
Fixed.
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Fixed.
Ummm,the jobs were lost the day it looked like Obama was going to win the election.Bush had 54 consecutive months of job growth,that ended when Pelosi took over the congress.Compare to Obama,Bush is Lincoln.
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Dumb thread.
Dumb segment.
The tagline of "Obama the Conservative?" is laughable and utterly pathetic and desperate.
I am at work and my computer has no speakers so I can't hear the audio. But let me guess...this was on MSNBC so they either declared that Obama is a Conservative and more so than Reagan or that Obama really isn't all that Liberal and is farther to the right than we think.
Again, it's a guess, but one that I am probably in the ballpark with.
^^^ This.
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You libs hated Reagan. Do you now hate obama?
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conservative doesn't exist any more than fascist
there is facism/communism/big government/socialism and then capitalism/freeedom
obama is much more the communist
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You libs hated Reagan. Do you now hate obama?
many conservatives refuse to admit the piles of lib shit that reagan did. Agree?
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many conservatives refuse to admit the piles of lib shit that reagan did. Agree?
No, its just that the good things he did far outweigh the lib stuff.
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Look at the simple things like how Reagan carried himself, how he spoke, what he spoke of and his ability to connect with people and not seem "out of reach". He instilled confidence when our nation had none, he bit the bullet in 1982-83, took a majore recession to kill inflation and it worked. He actually worked with an opposition party in Congress. Than look at how he carried himself abroad, the message he spoke of and how he spoke from a position of strength, authority and power. If you want a deeper look, research how he governed in California, he wasn't a full Right-Tilt conservative but instead was a somewhat of pragmatist when it really came down to things that matter. Was he a full fledged Conservative? No. Was he tip-toeing around the Liberal side of things? No. Was he a good President and a hell of a leader? Hell Fucking Yes.
Compare that above with Obama. It isn't even close.