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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Stebeds on July 08, 2010, 10:21:04 AM
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I have exactly 180 tablets of Dianabol.
They are the white round tabs in a blister pack of 10 x 5mg.
Now, the guy that sold me those told me to have 1 tab a day for a week, then 2 tabs a day for a week, then 3, then 4, then down to 3, then 2, then 1 a day for the last week, to make a 7 week cycle.
Then I read that with Dianabol you don't have to do this building up and weaning off it?
So what is it? Either you build up and wean off it, or you have a set dosage each day?
Maybe you can do both but what is best?
I even read that a single dosage (like all 4 tabs in one go) might be better than spreading the 4 tabs out through the day? I dunno about the roid rage off that though lol 20mg in one go.
With Dianabol, can you just have say 5 tablets a day for 5 weeks?
I read that any more than 25mg a day (5 tabs) for any longer than 8 weeks, will only give you extra side effects and no extra muscle anyway?
Then theres the fact that I am only about 155lbs myself, I would say 4 tabs a day then, assuming even the biggest BB'er only would have 25mg?
It gets more confusing when you get proper steroid freaks that just ignore the dosages and have 20 tabs a day, so its hard to even know if the advice given HERE is correct, if some guy got lucky and didn't have many side effects from his overdose then he will always endorse having too much, most places say don't even have more than 25mg a day, its just pointless.
It is confusing.
I have 180 tablets. Can't buy any more, wouldn't even know who to get them off these days plus I don't have the money anyway so I am stuck with 180 tabs...
Which way is best:
1. If I had 5 tablets a day (I read this is the maximum effective dosage?) and do those for 5 weeks (so thats 35 days x 5 tabs) then I will use up 175 tablets.
2. If I had 4 tablets a day and do those for 6 weeks (so thats 42 days x 4 tabs) then I will use up 168 tablets.
Which way is best? 5 a day for 5 weeks or 4 a day for 6 weeks? That is if you can just have 4 a day from day 1 to the end of the 6 weeks?
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50mg a day. You will run out in 18 days, by then the injectables will be kicking in. If you don't have injectables, don't waste your time. Then again, if you're 155lbs, sell the d-bol and use the money to buy food.
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I have 180 tablets. Can't buy any more
Pop one tab in the morning, one tab at night.. for 90 days.
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Pop one tab in the morning, one tab at night.. for 90 days.
Even i wouldn't count that as a cycle, but that would help him gain and keep some weight in the long run, provided that he knows how to eat (which i doubt)...
PS. Guy if you look hard enough you WILL find more gear.
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Pop one tab in the morning, one tab at night.. for 90 days.
If you're only gonna take 2 a day, take them both in the morning so you don't have to worry about shutting down at all. You might gain 5 lbs.
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D-Bol doses range from 25-150mg ED. For me the more I took the better the results were until I hit over 100mg ED, then the sides just got worse.
Are they Naposim? If they are legit pharma D-Bol then 40mg ED would be fine, personally I wouldn't go below 50.
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I will never use UG dbol after having tried Jelfa metanabol recently. By far the best fucking dbol I've ever used. I'd always have to use upwards of 50mg of UG dbol. With the Jelfas I'm pumped and strong as fuck at 25mgs per day. I haven't been on for over a year and was just seeing how I reacted to them for a few weeks. I'll be putting them in my next cycle for shizzo! There is no comparison between ug china crap and real human grade products!
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Even i wouldn't count that as a cycle, but that would help him gain and keep some weight in the long run, provided that he knows how to eat (which i doubt)...
We’re talking about getting the most bang for his buck using what he has to work with - 180 5mg dbol tabs.
10mg of real dbol a day for 3 months along with a lot of food, smart training and proper sleep will work wonders for a 155 pound guy who’s never touched a steroid.
He will be pleasantly surprised.
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We’re talking about getting the most bang for his buck using what he has to work with - 180 5mg dbol tabs.
10mg of real dbol a day for 3 months along with a lot of food, smart training and proper sleep will work wonders for a 155 pound guy who’s never touched a steroid.
He will be pleasantly surprised.
Thanks man.
Indeed... 10mg a day x 90 days (3 months) is 180 tabs. The thing is thats 12 weeks!
I would only want to keep the cycle down to 5 or 6 weeks.
From what I have read and being the puny little size I am, I will probably just do 4 tabs a day for 6 weeks.
Could use 161 tabs this way...
Week 1 - 2 tabs a day (10mg)
Week 2 - 3 tabs a day (15mg)
Week 3 - 4 tabs a day (20mg)
Week 4 - 5 tabs a day (25mg)
Week 5 - 4 tabs a day (20mg)
Week 6 - 3 tabs a day (15mg)
Week 7 - 2 tabs a day (10mg)
But please tell me whats best - just having a flat dosage each day, or building up for 3 weeks, peaking the 4th week and reducing the dosage for the last 3 weeks like above?
I don't wanna use the tabs then find oh... I should have done it the other way. :'(
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Dr John Ziegler started in the sixties with 5 milligrams per day for lightweights, 10 milligrams for middleweights and 15 milligram for heavyweights.
They used these doses for six weeks followed by five weeks of abstinence.
And these guys where looking good.
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If you are only going to use 10 mg of dianabol you could theoretically use it allmost forever, the liver stress wont be nearly as bad as you think. The 6-8 week limit is for guys who use significant doses, often.
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The 6 weeks cycle has nothing to do with livertoxity.
A double-blind crossover trial was designed. Athletes chose a lowdose
(10 mg methandienone daily) or a high-dose (25 mg/day)
regimen, and were treated for two consecutive six-week periods with
methandienone or placebo in random order; anecdotal lore indicates
that the effect of steroids wears off after six weeks even though treatment
continues. This "wearing-off" effect has been described with
respect to nitrogen-balance studies.'7
Anabolic steroids in athletics, crossover double-blind trial on weightlifters, Freed et all, British MedicalJournal, 1975, 2, 471-473
http://juicedmuscle.com/showthread.php?314-early-d-bol-ject
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The 6 weeks cycle has nothing to do with livertoxity.
A double-blind crossover trial was designed. Athletes chose a lowdose
(10 mg methandienone daily) or a high-dose (25 mg/day)
regimen, and were treated for two consecutive six-week periods with
methandienone or placebo in random order; anecdotal lore indicates
that the effect of steroids wears off after six weeks even though treatment
continues. This "wearing-off" effect has been described with
respect to nitrogen-balance studies.'7
Anabolic steroids in athletics, crossover double-blind trial on weightlifters, Freed et all, British MedicalJournal, 1975, 2, 471-473
http://juicedmuscle.com/showthread.php?314-early-d-bol-ject
Thanx for this RonnyT.
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anecdotal lore indicates
that the effect of steroids wears off after six weeks
In my experience.. steroids do not *wear off* after six weeks.
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Its not by experience but a scientifical proven fact (This "wearing-off" effect has been described with
respect to nitrogen-balance studies.'7) this is an old study but there are countless researches. That is why we cycle (displace one steroid for an other after a certain period of time).
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Its not by experience but a scientifical proven fact (This "wearing-off" effect has been described with
respect to nitrogen-balance studies.'7) this is an old study but there are countless researches. That is why we cycle (displace one steroid for an other after a certain period of time).
There are very few "scientifical (sic) proven fact"s about steroids and if they "wore off" after 6 weeks, we would have no pro bodybuilders.
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We where talking about d-bol and about dosing. You can increase the dose and or change the roid.
Look at a cycle, you use a roid for a certain amount of time and then replace it by an other steroid. You use the type you need for your goal. Types are like nor-19 - DHT-based etc etc
No one uses 50 mg dbol/day year round, right?
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We where talking about d-bol and about dosing. You can increase the dose and or change the roid.
Look at a cycle, you use a roid for a certain amount of time and then replace it by an other steroid. You use the type you need for your goal. Types are like nor-19 - DHT-based etc etc
No one uses 50 mg dbol/day year round, right?
And you think that is because it quits working? Its because no one wants liver failure. Have you ever done a cycle or do you just cut and paste crap you find on the internet? You look at a cycle. Most people use orals for a few weeks until the injectables kick in because injectables don't screw with your liver. Ask how long people run EQ or test or deca. They sure as hell don't stop after 6 weeks.
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And you think that is because it quits working? Its because no one wants liver failure. Have you ever done a cycle or do you just cut and paste crap you find on the internet? You look at a cycle. Most people use orals for a few weeks until the injectables kick in because injectables don't screw with your liver. Ask how long people run EQ or test or deca. They sure as hell don't stop after 6 weeks.
LOL.....no one gets live failure after 6 weeks of dbol. Pot meet kettle.....do you spoonfeed everything you read and hear as well? That's urban legend perpetuated by internet bodybuilders like you. Steroids most definitely downregulate the androgen receptor. How much and to what extent is debatable. And I'm sure RonnyT has done plenty of cycles and has a lot of knowledge when it comes to anabolics......that is if it's the same RonnyT from BodyofScience.
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We where talking about d-bol and about dosing. You can increase the dose and or change the roid.
Look at a cycle, you use a roid for a certain amount of time and then replace it by an other steroid. You use the type you need for your goal. Types are like nor-19 - DHT-based etc etc
No one uses 50 mg dbol/day year round, right?
You guys make this stuff so difficult i swear i'm surprised you guys can put your shoes on in the morning.
Take your nor-19 - DHT-based 1975 science and throw it out the window.
I know guys who have been on 3000mg of Test E and nothing else for 10 years and they are fucking monsters.
I bet not one single person on this board can even explain how our receptors work without a copy and paste from another site.
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You guys make this stuff so difficult i swear i'm surprised you guys can put your shoes on in the morning.
Take your nor-19 - DHT-based 1975 science and throw it out the window.
I know guys who have been on 3000mg of Test E and nothing else for 10 years and they are fucking monsters.
I bet not one single person on this board can even explain how our receptors work without a copy and paste from another site.
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LOL........it's always "I have a friend............or I know guys"...............gotta love getbig.
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LOL.....no one gets live failure after 6 weeks of dbol. Pot meet kettle.....do you spoonfeed everything you read and hear as well? That's urban legend perpetuated by internet bodybuilders like you. Steroids most definitely downregulate the androgen receptor. How much and to what extent is debatable. And I'm sure RonnyT has done plenty of cycles and has a lot of knowledge when it comes to anabolics......that is if it's the same RonnyT from BodyofScience.
Once again, learn to read bedpan sniffer. Didn't you learn anything while you and the other ladies are hanging around with the people that made it through medical school? No one ever said you get liver failure from 6 weeks of d-bol. The reason you don't keep taking orals is because they are harder on your liver than injectables. Just because you got pwned so badly on the G&O board you're gonna follow me around and try to find fault with my other posts. Don't you have to go train your VAJ now?
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LOL........it's always "I have a friend............or I know guys"...............gotta love getbig.
Or the journals on my desk.
Either way, it doesn't really matter right?
It's only the internet.
Care to elaborate on the receptors in your own words?
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Or the journals on my desk.
Either way, it doesn't really matter right?
It's only the internet.
Care to elaborate on the receptors in your own words?
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Don't bother. The guy is a toad.
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Once again, learn to read bedpan sniffer. Didn't you learn anything while you and the other ladies are hanging around with the people that made it through medical school? No one ever said you get liver failure from 6 weeks of d-bol. The reason you don't keep taking orals is because they are harder on your liver than injectables. Just because you got pwned so badly on the G&O board you're gonna follow me around and try to find fault with my other posts. Don't you have to go train your VAJ now?
::) Your comments are filled with such nonsense. We all know orals are hard on your liver. Reread your post retard. You said people don't take dbol for longer than six weeks because they are scared of liver failure. ...You don't have a clue what liver failure is or how much damage has to be done before that organ "fails". And trust me this has nothing to do with the arguments on the G&O board. I post frequently on this board and have witnessed several of your posts. Most of them insinuating you don't have very much practical knowledge regarding anabolic steroid use.
You probably have "friends" that are monsters too huh? LOL Gimmicks abound in this place.
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::) Your comments are filled with such nonsense. We all know orals are hard on your liver. Reread your post retard. You said people don't take dbol for longer than six weeks because they are scared of liver failure. ...You don't have a clue what liver failure is or how much damage has to be done before that organ "fails". And trust me this has nothing to do with the arguments on the G&O board. I post frequently on this board and have witnessed several of your posts. Most of them insinuating you don't have very much practical knowledge regarding anabolic steroid use.
You probably have "friends" that are monsters too huh? LOL Gimmicks abound in this place.
One more time for you slowly nurse McAnus. My comment in regards to length of time for taking d-bol was in response to this:
"No one uses 50 mg dbol/day year round, right?"
To which I responded: "And you think that is because it quits working? Its because no one wants liver failure."
Now your stupid ass can disagree if you want, and you can take 50mg of d-bol year round if you want, but don't twist what I said into something different. You can also believe that steroids stop working after 6 weeks if you like, and I don't need a "scientifical" study to prove to me that that is bullshit. Now, pull your nose out of your patient's bedpans and show me which of my posts are "insinuating you don't have very much practical knowledge regarding anabolic steroid use". With your powers of comprehension, its no wonder you didn't make it through med school.
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One more time for you slowly nurse McAnus. My comment in regards to length of time for taking d-bol was in response to this:
"No one uses 50 mg dbol/day year round, right?"
To which I responded: "And you think that is because it quits working? Its because no one wants liver failure."
Now your stupid ass can disagree if you want, and you can take 50mg of d-bol year round if you want, but don't twist what I said into something different. You can also believe that steroids stop working after 6 weeks if you like, and I don't need a "scientifical" study to prove to me that that is bullshit. Now, pull your nose out of your patient's bedpans and show me which of my posts are "insinuating you don't have very much practical knowledge regarding anabolic steroid use". With your powers of comprehension, its no wonder you didn't make it through med school.
Slowly nurse Mcanus? Scientifical study? WTF? You're a meat head in every sense of the word. Probably never graduated high school..... ::)
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Slowly nurse Mcanus? Scientifical study? WTF? You're a meat head in every sense of the word. Probably never graduated high school..... ::)
Its like talking to a wall. You post nonsense, I point out that its nonsense. Then you ignore that completely and try a different personal attack that makes you sound retarded. Someday I'll stop trying to teach pigs to sing.
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LOL.....no one gets live failure after 6 weeks of dbol. Pot meet kettle.....do you spoonfeed everything you read and hear as well? That's urban legend perpetuated by internet bodybuilders like you. Steroids most definitely downregulate the androgen receptor. How much and to what extent is debatable. And I'm sure RonnyT has done plenty of cycles and has a lot of knowledge when it comes to anabolics......that is if it's the same RonnyT from BodyofScience.
It is ..now also juicedmuscle.com. Why all crap and no reason? You agree or disagree, thats why we have these boards.
Lets make it simple, when you drank you're first beer, it worked, but when your body got used to it (don't worry I know how it works with enzymes and things but keep it simple) you need more and more to get the same effect. Or change to drinking whiskey. Or better combine the two, drinking whiskey in shots and flush it away with beer (stacking).
Its heavy on the liver everyone says, right? But we all know guys that drank for years and years and still have no livercirrosis. Even if you agree to livertoxity it depends on the time (to stick to this example) years you drank and the doses, a few beers in the week-end or a few bottles of whiskey per day. And even then, not everyone gets sick.
There are many scientific studies (here we go again) that are conflicting mostly because the authorities wanted people to scare away from steroids.
copy and pasted this ... ;D
Anabolic steroid-induced hepatotoxicity: Is it overstated?
Clin J Sport Med 1999 Jan;9(1):34-9 (ISSN: 1050-642X)
Dickerman RD; Pertusi RM; Zachariah NY; Dufour DR; McConathy WJ
The Department of Biomedical Science, University of North Texas Health Science Center, Fort Worth 76107-2699, USA.
Why is Anavar not Liver Toxic?
Anavar does not contain a C-17 alpha alkylated ion which makes it extremely safe and non-toxic to the liver. It also does not easily convert to estrogen like other steroids
As for toxicity of 17aa the only report i have to hand at the moment but is:
From research conducted by Michael Mooney that this is particularly well noted with HIV patients who have been using Oxandrin, another brand name for oxandrolone Anavar is much less liver toxic than other 17-alpha alkylated steroids, probably because it is primarily metabolized outside of the liver, when metabolized, and much of it is excreted unchanged. At higher doses it can increase liver enzyme values, there seems to be no evidence that any cytotoxicity exists, as is the case with other 17-alpha alkylated steroids.
Anabolic Steroids and the Liver
Anabolic steroids are processed by the liver. As discussed earlier, C-17 alkylated oral steroids (steroids with an alkyl group added at the alpha position of the "C-17" or number 17 carbon atom of the molecule to withstand total degradation on their first pass through the liver are unusually harsh on the liver. For this reason, even moderate short-term administration of these C-17 oral steroids can effect liver function test readings. Elevated liver counts indicating liver stress (toxicity) have been reported in recent studies of somewhat moderate oral anabolic steroid therapy (daily doses of 40 and 80 mg of oxandrolone [Oxandrin, formerly Anavar]) as reported in the online periodical Medibolics, edited by Michael Mooney (www.medibolics.com). However, these elevated liver function readings will return to normal after cessation of a moderate, short-term steroid cycle. I could find not one case to the contrary. Further, it is recognized that intense weight training alone often causes changes in liver function tests, including SGOT, SGPT and LDH (this is something that all physicians monitoring athletes using anabolics should be familiar with).
The more serious liver problems attributed to anabolic steroid use include hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer) and peliosis hepatitis (blood-filled sacs within the liver). But the majority of cases reporting liver problems have dealt with extremely sick and elderly patients treated with C-17 alkylated oral steroids for years of continuous use, and many of these patients had a particular type of anemia linked to liver tumors even without anabolic steroid therapy. A computer search of the medical literature looking for steroid-associated liver tumors could find only three in athletes (Friedl, 1990). Of the three athletes, one was using 700 mg of oxymetholone a week for five straight years, and one had a tumor more indicative of classic liver cancer than of steroid-associated tumors. Virtually all of the reported liver problems seemed to occur with the 17 alpha-alkylated oral steroids. There have been no cysts or liver tumors reported in athletes using the 17 beta-esterified injectable steroids (Wright & Cowart, p. 61). It has been noted that injectable steroids generally appear to have little effect on the liver at all (Haupt, 1993, p. 469).
Recent studies continue to suggest that reports of serious adverse effects of anabolic steroids upon the liver in healthy athletes may be highly overstated. In a study of athletes, of the 53 current or past steroid users who underwent laboratory testing, only one subject displayed an abnormal liver test (Pope & Katz, 1994, p. 379; incidentally, on physical examination, not one user displayed evidence of any major abnormalities possibly attributable to steroids, such as high blood pressure, edema, acne or hair loss.) Another study tested one of the most powerful and reputedly dangerously toxic anabolic steroids for 30 weeks on HIV positive men and women (Hengge et al.). Oxymetholone, formerly known as Anadrol in the U.S. and a C-17 alkylated oral steroid, was administered in a dosage of over 1,000 mg per week (more than that used by many bodybuilders, and for a much longer duration of uninterrupted use). The results were significant gains in lean muscle mass -- even without any weightlifting. Even more importantly - and surprisingly -- there were no significant problems with liver function, water retention, or virilization side effects (it will be interesting to see whether further studies yield consistent findings at such high dosages).
While the dangers of anabolics to athletes' livers appear to have been highly exaggerated, it must be recognized that an apparently healthy athlete with a previously existing but undiscovered liver problem could do serious damage to himself by self-administering C-17 oral anabolic steroids. For this reason alone, it would be quite irresponsible for any athlete to use anabolic steroids without having a physician regularly conduct blood tests to monitor liver function.
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..one more thing..it is stated here that you can get huge on 3 gram of testosterone an that is completely true, but there is more to bodybuilding. The knowledge is increasing year after year, if it was THAT simple why would Olympia competitors hire people like Chad, Charles etc to design there cycles. Knowledge about insuline use(Milos) GH etc etc made the monsters of today. And aren't we reading Goldspink etc to wait for myostatin blockers MGF etc
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..one more thing..it is stated here that you can get huge on 3 gram of testosterone an that is completely true, but there is more to bodybuilding. The knowledge is increasing year after year, if it was THAT simple why would Olympia competitors hire people like Chad, Charles etc to design there cycles. Knowledge about insuline use(Milos) GH etc etc made the monsters of today. And aren't we reading Goldspink etc to wait for myostatin blockers MGF etc
Because most bodybuilders are idiots.
It's easy to design a steroid cycle, but it is much more difficult to do GH/Slin/IGF/Frag timing and contest prep with diuretics.
Plus most of the top pros want to use a "big name" contest guru for hype as well.
You're a good guy ronny, but you are not the only person who knows pro bodybuilders and contest guru's personally.
What Milos says in public is very different from what he tells his paying customers.
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::) Your comments are filled with such nonsense. We all know orals are hard on your liver. Reread your post retard. You said people don't take dbol for longer than six weeks because they are scared of liver failure. ...You don't have a clue what liver failure is or how much damage has to be done before that organ "fails". And trust me this has nothing to do with the arguments on the G&O board. I post frequently on this board and have witnessed several of your posts. Most of them insinuating you don't have very much practical knowledge regarding anabolic steroid use.
You probably have "friends" that are monsters too huh? LOL Gimmicks abound in this place.
LMAO!! gotta love the internet