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ObamaCare: Dream Turned Nightmare
Posted 07:02 PM ET
Health Reform: Key provisions of the president's health care reform are about to take effect. Don't expect any of it to be pretty.
It turns out that — as predicted by health experts, and reported on this page — ObamaCare will make health insurance premiums rise rather than fall. This and other unpleasant truths are revealed in a new report from two Republican senators, which charges that "when measured against the administration's own stated goals, the new health law fails to address the top health care concerns of the American people."
Tom Coburn of Oklahoma and John Barrasso of Wyoming are the only two members of the U.S. Senate with M.D.s, and their prognosis in the report, titled "Bad Medicine: a Check-up on the New Federal Health Law," is far from good.
"Independent experts have found that the new health law will increase the cost of health insurance and health care services," the two doctor-senators say, noting the Congressional Budget Office concludes that "premiums for millions of American families in 2016 will be 10%-13% higher than they otherwise would be. This represents a $2,100 increase per family, compared with the status quo."
Two thousand dollars more? Did something hidden in the 3,000 pages of the ObamaCare bill, which the White House and leading congressional Democrats moved heaven and earth to get passed, make those evil health insurers even greedier?
Or is it greedy Uncle Sam? As the senators point out, "According to an April 2010 memo from the Actuary of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the medical device and pharmaceutical drug fees and the health insurance excise tax will generally be passed through to health consumers in the form of higher drug and device prices and higher insurance premiums, with an associated increase in overall national health expenditures."
Add to that the fact that according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, much of ObamaCare's new taxes will trickle down and end up being paid for by health care consumers. These include "the $60 billion tax on health plans, the $20 billion tax on medical devices and the $27 billion tax on prescription drugs." Makes you wonder which party is on the side of the little guy.
One way premiums will increase is through Americans' making rational economic decisions when faced with higher health costs or the paying of a penalty — something perhaps unjustly described as "gaming the system." ObamaCare, it turns out, is a system begging to be gamed.
"Premiums will increase because the new health law contains new federally-mandated rating rules that will cause premium costs for younger Americans to spike dramatically," the Coburn-Barrasso report says. The half of the uninsured aged 19-34 will be faced with the choice of "a financial penalty for not purchasing health insurance" or having to buy "health insurance that is more expensive than the status quo."
Twenty-somethings are discriminated against under ObamaCare. "Insurance for younger Americans will be more expensive because of new rating rules in the law that allow a smaller difference between the premiums an insurance company can charge a younger person compared with an older person," the report points out.
"Unsurprisingly, independent actuaries and private sector experts estimate that, in most states, premiums for the youngest third of the population could increase by 35% under the new tight age bands under the law."
That's just one of a series of ObamaCare negatives highlighted by the report, including: 16 million forced into the going-broke Medicaid system, which many doctors avoid like the plague; a free ride for illegal immigrants, with citizens paying their costs; criminalization of the uninsured, with possible IRS harassment on the way; and millions losing the health plans they now enjoy "as employers either drop coverage or purchase more expensive, government-dictated health insurance."
America has had the best health system in the world. Its flaws are directly attributable to government interfering in the free flow of private services — a forced employer-based system, prohibiting interstate insurance, etc. Making the system better was always a worthy dream, but by expanding government instead of freedom, the dream has been made into the nightmare now beginning.
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My freaking insurance went up 20% last month because of Obamacare.
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My freaking insurance went up 20% last month because of Obamacare.
Just wait until September, when the Guarantee issue mandates take effect, then you will dream about the days when you only got a 20% rate increase.
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Just wait until September, when the Guarantee issue of Ind polices starts, then you will dream about the days when you only got a 20% rate increase.
My parents just got an increase of 30%.
Honestly James, and I'm not kidding, I think the only hope we have is either a complete collapse or some devastating natural disaster taking out everyone in DC, and their families, and their families, families.
I would probably throw a block party if every one of them were washed away in a tsunami, especially Obama.
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333,
Obamacare was designed to make Health Insurance skyrocket in cost at an outrageous rate, so that people would finally be ready to accept Universal health care. Just look at the guy that obama put in control of Medicare last week, by recess appointment.
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That's why I hate this pofs more than any potus in my lifetime, and most of those who blindly voted for him. They are just as bad as he is.
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That's why I hate this pofs more than any potus in my lifetime, and most of those who blindly voted for him. They are just as bad as he is.
Every politician that voted for ObamaCare needs to be voted out of Office asap.
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Every politician that voted for ObamaCare needs to be voted out of Office asap.
And stripped of their pensions and health care.
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Too bad more people didnt read the bill for themselves, rather than listening to the general electric spin and lies of it.
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My freaking insurance went up 20% last month because of Obamacare.
how do you know it was from "Obamacare" ?
maybe it was just based on your age or mabye just because they could raise it and there's nothing you can do about it except bitch and whine on a message board
my premiums have gone up every year since the mid 2001 but in the last couple of years it went up 20% each year (more I think from 2007 to 2008)
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Mine went up 20% in 08 and 09.
No telling what will happen this year.
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Thank heavens 240 and Straw came in. 333 would have had to keep three plates spinning at once. :)
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333 are you talking about your personal insurance ? or the insurance you provide your employees?
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333 are you talking about your personal insurance ? or the insurance you provide your employees?
Both. Tell me again why we needed obamacare?
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The VA hospitals would be a good example of how "Obama care" might run. A person in my gym who is a vet has serious knee problems, he went to an ortho at the VA and told him there was nothing that could be done for him, they base this decision on what? The refused to give him an MRI, CT's or even an X-Ray just a flat out "there's nothing we can do"........he's only 52.
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The VA hospitals would be a good example of how "Obama care" might run. A person in my gym who is a vet has serious knee problems, he went to an ortho at the VA and told him there was nothing that could be done for him, they base this decision on what? The refused to give him an MRI, CT's or even an X-Ray just a flat out "there's nothing we can do"........he's only 52.
he must not have been illegal or a muslim!
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The VA hospitals would be a good example of how "Obama care" might run. A person in my gym who is a vet has serious knee problems, he went to an ortho at the VA and told him there was nothing that could be done for him, they base this decision on what? The refused to give him an MRI, CT's or even an X-Ray just a flat out "there's nothing we can do"........he's only 52.
maybe you can pray to Jeebus for him
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The VA hospitals would be a good example of how "Obama care" might run. A person in my gym who is a vet has serious knee problems, he went to an ortho at the VA and told him there was nothing that could be done for him, they base this decision on what? The refused to give him an MRI, CT's or even an X-Ray just a flat out "there's nothing we can do"........he's only 52.
This is exactly what Government led healthcare would be. A VA/Military hospital is the epitome of socialized medicine. No choice on your Doctor, not much say so in the care you can get and everything based on their timetable and whats best for them. And if they screw up, no recourse of action for you the patient. Read this story http://cbs5.com/local/airman.loses.legs.2.1095462.html This kid lost both legs during a botched gall bladder surgery. From what I can find out, this kid who was an E-1 will be promoted to E-4 and discharged with disability pay at that rank. No sueing the Government/Military for this horrendous occurrence, whereas if this was a private practitioner he at least could get a much greater monetary settlement. The healthcare bill that was passed was just to get their foot in the door, what I typed out above is what you will see 10-15 years from now.
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Why would it be any different than Medicare is right now?
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Why would it be any different than Medicare is right now?
Please tell me why we needed obamacare again Straw if I am still going to get 20% increases yearly?
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Please tell me why we needed obamacare again Straw if I am still going to get 20% increases yearly?
hussein needs to redistribute wealth!! hope and change
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Please tell me why we needed obamacare again Straw if I am still going to get 20% increases yearly?
you need for the time when your insurances refuses to pay for you electro shock treatment because they say that your bipolar disorder is a pre-existing condition
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This is exactly what Government led healthcare would be. A VA/Military hospital is the epitome of socialized medicine. No choice on your Doctor, not much say so in the care you can get and everything based on their timetable and whats best for them. And if they screw up, no recourse of action for you the patient. Read this story http://cbs5.com/local/airman.loses.legs.2.1095462.html This kid lost both legs during a botched gall bladder surgery. From what I can find out, this kid who was an E-1 will be promoted to E-4 and discharged with disability pay at that rank. No sueing the Government/Military for this horrendous occurrence, whereas if this was a private practitioner he at least could get a much greater monetary settlement. The healthcare bill that was passed was just to get their foot in the door, what I typed out above is what you will see 10-15 years from now.
If I recall the Repubs primary idea to fix health care was Tort Reform which would do nothing to prevent incidents like this and only limits patient/victim from getting compensation
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hussein needs to redistribute wealth!! hope and change
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dems suck. but so do repubs. both clubs made this shit pass.
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How did the Republicans make this pass? Did a single Republican vote for this piece of shit legislation?
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How did the Republicans make this pass?
IMO, apathy. Sitting around on their asses year after year letting rates skyrocket out of control helped push this on the agenda. Now we're stuck with this POS legislation.
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IMO, apathy. Sitting around on their asses year after year letting rates skyrocket out of control helped push this on the agenda. Now we're stuck with this POS legislation.
I think you’re right.
Don’t forget that Hillary tried to push this bullshit through back in ’93.
She couldn’t even get support from Democratic senators and even a Democratic congress.
Health care has gotten a lot more out of control than it was then.
Hillary’s 1,000 page bill even saw several key compromise proposals that almost made it seem somewhat reasonable in comparison to Hussein’s.
Something had to be done about health care; no doubt.
But - like everything else O has done - this isn’t the right answer, and - like everything else - will probably move us farther in the wrong direction.
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How did the Republicans make this pass? Did a single Republican vote for this piece of shit legislation?
IMO, apathy. Sitting around on their asses year after year letting rates skyrocket out of control helped push this on the agenda. Now we're stuck with this POS legislation.
12 years of a repub congress, in which they didn't do anything except prevent clinton from changing a thing, then sitting on 'status quo' mode for the bush era.
It had to be expected.... the minute the dems got control of all 3 lawmaking bodies, they'd shove a shit sandwich thru, and it'd pass. Rates have skyrocketed the last 2 years for many of us - BEFORE Obamacare. So either the insurance companies knew what was coming and decided to stack up some loot beforehand... or shit was suddenly spiraling out of control, and inaction has been proven to fail.
So now we're throwing shit at the wall to see what works. Repubs had 12 years to change shit so it wouldn't come to this. It's like the stepfather that beats his daughter daily... then acts all surprised when she marries the first guy that says hello.
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12 years of a repub congress, in which they didn't do anything except prevent clinton from changing a thing, then sitting on 'status quo' mode for the bush era.
The “evil” Republicans weren’t the only ones preventing Clinton from “changing a thing.”
When Hillary was appointed head of the Task Force on National Health Care Reform and introduced her bill, it was Democrats in congress.
Repubs didn’t take over until midterm elections in ’94.
Hillary met objection from Democratic Senators, Democratic Congress, and even a lawsuit filed by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.
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The “evil” Republicans weren’t the only ones preventing Clinton from “changing a thing.”
When Hillary was appointed head of the Task Force on National Health Care Reform and introduced her bill, it was Democrats in congress.
Repubs didn’t take over until midterm elections in ’94.
Hillary met objection from Democratic Senators, Democratic Congress, and even a lawsuit filed by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.
The AMA's bending over for Obama on this, as well as the AARP, was disgusting and completely against their members' interests.
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The AMA's bending over for Obama on this, as well as the AARP, was disgusting and completely against their members' interests.
And, why?
This bill is a lot harsher than the 1993 version.
What is the AAPS's stance?
I can't believe they'd go for it.
I like how certain posters in this thread completely ignore ALL the facts & make it out as though it was only the Repubs who opposed this b.s. seventeen years ago.
Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan was quoted as saying "There is no health care crisis. There is an insurance crisis."
He followed up those statements with, "anyone who thinks [the Clinton health care plan] can work in the real world as presently written isn't living in it."
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My personal belief is that Obama is the embodiment and fulfillment of 40 years of affirmative action, anti-american propaganda, liberal white guilt, uber-race consciousness, dumbing down of public education, etc.
It manifests itself in many ways and is evidenced by many posters here.
1. His election victories over Hillary. By any measure Hillary was far more qualified, experienced, and educated on the issues than Obama. The media, looking for the story of the first black president, completely kneepadded obama and ignored his record of radical associations and ZERO experience whatsoever.
2. Liberal white guilt to where they never criticize Obama, despite the multitude of horrific policies, decisions, appointments, etc.
3. Corporations were afraid to speak out on this admns' marxist agenda for fear of being branded racist.
4. Obvious failures are glossed over for fear that the first black president will be painted an incompetent and a failure, which he is.
5. Things anyone else would get hung for go applauded when Obama does it for obvious reasons.
And on and on.
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Those are five very astute and legitimate observations.
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My personal belief is that Obama is the embodiment and fulfillment of 40 years of affirmative action, anti-american propaganda, liberal white guilt, uber-race consciousness, dumbing down of public education, etc.
It manifests itself in many ways and is evidenced by many posters here.
1. His election victories over Hillary. By any measure Hillary was far more qualified, experienced, and educated on the issues than Obama. The media, looking for the story of the first black president, completely kneepadded obama and ignored his record of radical associations and ZERO experience whatsoever.
2. Liberal white guilt to where they never criticize Obama, despite the multitude of horrific policies, decisions, appointments, etc.
3. Corporations were afraid to speak out on this admns' marxist agenda for fear of being branded racist.
4. Obvious failures are glossed over for fear that the first black president will be painted an incompetent and a failure, which he is.
5. Things anyone else would get hung for go applauded when Obama does it for obvious reasons.
And on and on.
more simplistic nonsense
Liberals/Left Wing/Progressives etc... criticize Obama EVERY DAY
You once again project your own latent racism on everyone else.
In spite of the SC decision, corporations are not really people and thus can't speak. There have been plenty of CEO and other corporatists on both sides who have spoken out agains againt Obama (and all Dems) before, during and post election.
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I was referring to the Business Round Table, Wall Street, Bufett, Verizon, Fed Ex, even GE, Mort Zuckerman, et al.
Wall Street and Corporate America backed Obama over McCain and only now that they see who he truly is are waking up the reality of just who they helped put in office.
Progressives? Maybe a portion are like yourself on certain issues, but by and large most are not. I think many on the left who are true believers are in shock TBH since Obama is pursuing an agenda that really no one likes but the politicially connected companies that will feed off the trough of these ridiculous policies.
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when has any governmetn ageency ever achieved its goal without massive cost ovverruns and wasted money and cush jobs for scumbags?
judge by results not intent -milton friedman