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Title: OH NO..George Steinbrenger dies??
Post by: newmom on July 13, 2010, 06:58:47 AM
Someone dropped this in my ear..

Nothing on ESPN or YES network
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Post by: newmom on July 13, 2010, 06:59:42 AM
Never mind Mike and Mike just confirmed

RIP George
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Post by: HUGEPECS on July 13, 2010, 07:02:36 AM
another one bites the dust
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Post by: Overload on July 13, 2010, 07:05:26 AM
Damn.

Wikipedia already has it up as a massive heart attack.

R.I.P.


8)
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Post by: newmom on July 13, 2010, 07:06:11 AM
fucking sad, Calvin you okay pal

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Post by: CalvinH on July 13, 2010, 07:13:49 AM
PIP,Sheppard and Steinbrenner. :(
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Post by: johnnynoname on July 13, 2010, 07:14:00 AM
uummm, what's so sad about a old, rich, white man dying?


why don't you guys mourn the 100's of girls who are gonna get their clitorises cut off today in the Congo, huh?
or how about the kids who will die of starvation in Burkina Faso?


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Post by: newmom on July 13, 2010, 07:18:50 AM
my favorite yankee player

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Post by: CalvinH on July 13, 2010, 07:20:45 AM
uummm, what's so sad about a old, rich, white man dying?


why don't you guys mourn the 100's of girls who are gonna get their clitorises cut off today in the Congo, huh?
or how about the kids who will die of starvation in Burkina Faso?





I'd cry for you if you made a mistake and got a bad haircut........so give me my moment!
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Post by: johnnynoname on July 13, 2010, 07:26:03 AM

I'd cry for you if you made a mistake and got a bad haircut........so give me my moment!

okay...i will give you that moment



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Post by: CalvinH on July 13, 2010, 07:32:31 AM
okay...i will give you that moment






Thank you.
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Post by: 240 is Back on July 13, 2010, 07:35:58 AM
PIP

Winner.
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Post by: newmom on July 13, 2010, 07:36:22 AM
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Post by: newmom on July 13, 2010, 07:38:11 AM
All about the pinstripes
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Post by: dr.chimps on July 13, 2010, 07:44:23 AM
They're dancing in the streets in Boston.  8)

/and you know billy martin's gonna sucker punch him the moment he steps through the gates of hell

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Post by: newmom on July 13, 2010, 07:46:51 AM
They're dancing in the streets in Boston.  8)

/and you know billy martin's gonna sucker punch him the moment he steps through the gates of hell



blowsox fans can go blow out if of their yawkey way and take a dive off the green monstah
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Post by: Fury on July 13, 2010, 07:47:37 AM
RIP to The Boss, best owner in sports.  8)
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Post by: Tapeworm on July 13, 2010, 07:50:43 AM
No no.  Sorry Mrs. Steinbrenger.  Your husband is fine.  But someone should notify widow Steinbrenner.
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Post by: newmom on July 13, 2010, 07:56:32 AM
RIP to The Boss, best owner in sports.  8)

x10000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000
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Post by: leadhead on July 13, 2010, 08:03:43 AM
RIP to The Boss, best owner in sports.  8)

I've got to admit although I'm not a Yanks fan I always liked the Boss. RIP
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Post by: El Diablo Blanco on July 13, 2010, 08:27:59 AM
HAHAHA.  The Yanks won't recover.  Rumor has it that he's been dead for months.
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Post by: Palpatine Q on July 13, 2010, 08:30:42 AM
RIP  George....
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Post by: Fury on July 13, 2010, 08:35:51 AM
HAHAHA.  The Yanks won't recover.  Rumor has it that he's been dead for months.

So if he's been dead for months and the Yanks have the best record in baseball, then they have actually recovered? He hasn't been pulling most of the strings on the Yanks for a while, anyway.
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Post by: El Diablo Blanco on July 13, 2010, 08:47:39 AM
They call him the best owner, yet for 25 years they sucked shit when he bought them, it wasn't until the YES network was formed and all the money came rolling in that he was able to buy build a winner.
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Post by: CalvinH on July 13, 2010, 08:57:17 AM
Jeter
Posada
Pettite
Rivera

Cano
Cervelli
Gardner
Chamberlin
Hughes

all drafted by the Yanks


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Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on July 13, 2010, 08:59:04 AM

I'd cry for you if you made a mistake and got a bad haircut........so give me my moment!



exactly......


the guy was  megalomaniacal piece of self-aggrandizing garbage..........hope he is gettig raped by the devil in hell 
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Post by: El Diablo Blanco on July 13, 2010, 09:00:39 AM
Jeter
Posada
Pettite
Rivera

Cano
Cervelli
Gardner
Chamberlin
Hughes

all drafted by the Yanks




Take a look at their championship teams, how many came up through the system and how many where brought in. 
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Post by: CalvinH on July 13, 2010, 09:07:20 AM
Take a look at their championship teams, how many came up through the system and how many where brought in. 


Last years team yes.the other teams of the late 90's no.

they were made up of good players playing well when it counted.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on July 13, 2010, 09:09:27 AM
Funny how bad this guy was HATED by everybody, including every Yankees fan I knew for most of the 70's and into the 80's.....now he's a saint?  :-\
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Post by: dr.chimps on July 13, 2010, 09:11:16 AM
Funny how bad this guy was HATED by everybody, including every Yankees fan I knew for most of the 70's and into the 80's.....now he's a saint?  :-\
Wonder who there gonna get to buy their championships, now?
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Post by: CalvinH on July 13, 2010, 09:12:01 AM
Wonder who there gonna get to buy their championships, now?



His kids of course 8)
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Post by: The Showstoppa on July 13, 2010, 09:12:22 AM
Wonder who there gonna get to buy their championships, now?

True enough.  Yankees/Steinbrenner are a HUGE reason the FA market is so out of control.
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Post by: Fury on July 13, 2010, 09:15:08 AM
Wonder who there gonna get to buy their championships, now?

I don't see the other teams complaining about all the money they make in revenue sharing and luxury tax payments. Plenty of other teams could step up, they choose not to.
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Post by: dr.chimps on July 13, 2010, 09:18:46 AM
Now, if only someone could do something about Bud Selig.   ;D
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Post by: The Showstoppa on July 13, 2010, 09:19:42 AM
I don't see the other teams complaining about all the money they make in revenue sharing and luxury tax payments. Plenty of other teams could step up, they choose not to.

Great, and who gets f'd by it all? REAL fans are priced out of going to games and seeing mediocre teams that are content to stay that way.
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Post by: CalvinH on July 13, 2010, 09:20:02 AM
I don't see the other teams complaining about all the money they make in revenue sharing and luxury tax payments. Plenty of other teams could step up, they choose not to.


Let them hate!


.....epic jealousy of the greatest franchise in all of sports 8)
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Post by: newmom on July 13, 2010, 09:21:30 AM
Funny how bad this guy was HATED by everybody, including every Yankees fan I knew for most of the 70's and into the 80's.....now he's a saint?  :-\

NO NO NO, sure he was an asshole at times, who the fuck isn't. I ponder what the tea party will be like when Mr. October passes, and meets up with him and Billy M. That would be a yell fest of epic proportions
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Post by: The Showstoppa on July 13, 2010, 09:28:45 AM
NO NO NO, sure he was an asshole at times, who the fuck isn't. I ponder what the tea party will be like when Mr. October passes, and meets up with him and Billy M. That would be a yell fest of epic proportions

He was an asshole to all baseball fans in the 70's and 80's....even worse among Yankee fans.  Guess a few World Series titles erases memories pretty quickly.
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Post by: newmom on July 13, 2010, 09:30:26 AM
He was an asshole to all baseball fans in the 70's and 80's....even worse among Yankee fans.  Guess a few World Series titles erases memories pretty quickly.

well 70's I was a young en and don't remember that. Honestly, I still feel he is the best sports owner in any sport
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Post by: Grape Ape on July 13, 2010, 09:31:22 AM
Take a look at their championship teams, how many came up through the system and how many where brought in. 

You're perpetuating a myth.  All teams are a combination of farm talent, trades and FA acquistions.

Even last year over 40% of the 25 man roster was from the farm:  Jeter/Rivera/Posada/Pettitte/Cano/Hughes/Chamberlain/Robertson/Cabrerra/Gardner to name a few.

How does this compare with other championship teams of the last decade?  For example, I believe the 04 sox had one.
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Post by: Fury on July 13, 2010, 09:32:07 AM
Great, and who gets f'd by it all? REAL fans are priced out of going to games and seeing mediocre teams that are content to stay that way.

Blame it on their team's ownership. Bleacher seats are cheap as all hell and these billionaires don't want to spend to compete. They're the ones who are content collecting revenue sharing profits while paying $30 million team salaries.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on July 13, 2010, 09:32:22 AM
well 70's I was a young en and don't remember that. Honestly, I still feel he is the best sports owner in any sport

Ouch.  Even as a kid I heard constant comments about him...hell watch old movies, tv shows, etc... and they allude to it.  Or try to find an HONEST Yanks fan from that era who doesn't have the rose colored glasses on now after the WS titles.  He was dispised.
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Post by: newmom on July 13, 2010, 09:35:38 AM
Ouch.  Even as a kid I heard constant comments about him...hell watch old movies, tv shows, etc... and they allude to it.  Or try to find an HONEST Yanks fan from that era who doesn't have the rose colored glasses on now after the WS titles.  He was dispised.

Ha, gee so I dont do research and that makes me what?? I called my pops earlier, who has always been a diehard yanks fan and said he was an asshole in early years but none the less a great owner...

Not bad for a man that bought the team in 73 or only a mere 10 million
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Post by: Grape Ape on July 13, 2010, 09:36:59 AM
Ouch.  Even as a kid I heard constant comments about him...hell watch old movies, tv shows, etc... and they allude to it.  Or try to find an HONEST Yanks fan from that era who doesn't have the rose colored glasses on now after the WS titles.  He was dispised.

Your assessment of the early years is correct.

However, he changed somewhat in the 90s entrusting Watson/Michaels to construct a team.  He still had his Tampa boys, but even that dissolved in the early 2000s.

As a fan, it was impossible to hate a man who could have easily pocketed 50-60M a YEAR more but put it on the field instead.
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Post by: Nails on July 13, 2010, 09:38:10 AM
RIP Georgie

Here is a picture of me on my way to watch a yankee game last year at the new home that George Steinbrenger built
As you can see im wearing neutral colors because im a Los Angeles Dodger fan

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Post by: The Showstoppa on July 13, 2010, 09:41:08 AM
There is no doubt he was a brilliant owner from a business standpoint.....turned an 8 million purchase into a team worth a couple of billion now, I think.  Decent little investment.  And I won't argue that he at least was willing to spend money to bring in quality players, he just used the leverage to drive most other teams out of the bidding.  Baseball should adopt the ONLY financial model that is thriving in pro-sports....the NFL.
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Post by: newmom on July 13, 2010, 09:41:40 AM
Great Picture Nails, isn't the new stadium great..and ohhhhhhhhh those garlic fries there..yumm
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Post by: Palpatine Q on July 13, 2010, 09:43:15 AM
You're perpetuating a myth.  All teams are a combination of farm talent, trades and FA acquistions.

Even last year over 40% of the 25 man roster was from the farm:  Jeter/Rivera/Posada/Pettitte/Cano/Hughes/Chamberlain/Robertson/Cabrerra/Gardner to name a few.

How does this compare with other championship teams of the last decade?  For example, I believe the 04 sox had one.


THANK YOU.

All teams are built the same way...Yanks just do it better and spend more money.  they are the greatest franchise in the history of the world
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Post by: Grape Ape on July 13, 2010, 09:44:09 AM
 And I won't argue that he at least was willing to spend money to bring in quality players, he just used the leverage to drive most other teams out of the bidding.  Baseball should adopt the ONLY financial model that is thriving in pro-sports....the NFL.

MLB is thriving as well.  Heck, last time I bothered to check, even the shitbag Pirates had profits of 25M (2007, I think?)

If a team has an advantage over another and doesn't choose to use it, it's pure stupidity.


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Post by: The Showstoppa on July 13, 2010, 09:52:29 AM
MLB is thriving as well.  Heck, last time I bothered to check, even the shitbag Pirates had profits of 25M (2007, I think?)

If a team has an advantage over another and doesn't choose to use it, it's pure stupidity.




But why set up a structure where teams have that much of an advantage?  Like I said, the only people getting f'd are the fans of the teams who don't want to spend.  Which is odd, because you see that in MLB and the NBA, but not in the NFL.  Some of the teams who are tight with the purse strings, Pats and Steelers come to mind, will let players go and just keep on winning.  Not true in baseball, maybe because it's not as much of a "team" effort as football...
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Post by: CalvinH on July 13, 2010, 09:55:41 AM
You wanna tissue for all the crying you are doing in this thread :D


...what,do you root for Baltimore ???
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Post by: Nails on July 13, 2010, 09:57:05 AM
Great Picture Nails, isn't the new stadium great..and ohhhhhhhhh those garlic fries there..yumm

its just awesome as soon as you walk into the stadium its like walking into a museum and you get that gust of fresh as soon as you walk, its so wide that there is no bumping into people, the jumbo tron is something to see too, Milwaukee brewers have an amazing stadium too
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Post by: The Showstoppa on July 13, 2010, 09:58:10 AM
You wanna tissue for all the crying you are doing in this thread :D


...what,do you root for Baltimore ???

Baseball bored me to tears after about the age of 12, but I'm always interested in the business side of sports.....now don't you have a washed up never-were "athletes" convention softball game to go to?   ;D
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Post by: dr.chimps on July 13, 2010, 10:03:27 AM
Baseball bored me to tears after about the age of 12, but I'm always interested in the business side of sports.....now don't you have a washed up never-were "athletes" convention softball game to go to?   ;D
*gets up on hind legs*    >:(   
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Post by: Grape Ape on July 13, 2010, 10:06:11 AM
But why set up a structure where teams have that much of an advantage?  Like I said, the only people getting f'd are the fans of the teams who don't want to spend.  Which is odd, because you see that in MLB and the NBA, but not in the NFL.  Some of the teams who are tight with the purse strings, Pats and Steelers come to mind, will let players go and just keep on winning.  Not true in baseball, maybe because it's not as much of a "team" effort as football...

I just don't think the NFL model works in MLB.  The games are just too different.

They can't keep doing the player churn that you describe above - rookies don't tend to be on a level field when they start playing, like they can in the NFL.  Teams need to invest in them to get to a point where they're ready to compete.  Veterans are vital, and can't just be cast aside.  Plus, the union is too strong, and non-guaranteed contracts will most likely never happen.
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Post by: tallandfat on July 13, 2010, 10:09:20 AM
Who gets the yankees?
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Post by: Army of One on July 13, 2010, 10:16:00 AM
This girl played Rounders right?
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Post by: Grape Ape on July 13, 2010, 10:16:26 AM
I think majority ownership stays in the family.
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Post by: The Showstoppa on July 13, 2010, 10:33:45 AM
I just don't think the NFL model works in MLB.  The games are just too different.

They can't keep doing the player churn that you describe above - rookies don't tend to be on a level field when they start playing, like they can in the NFL.  Teams need to invest in them to get to a point where they're ready to compete.  Veterans are vital, and can't just be cast aside.  Plus, the union is too strong, and non-guaranteed contracts will most likely never happen.

I agree the games are vastly different, although I think the stability in the NFL is adequate, it's not like entire rosters are turned over year to year.  I worked in minor-league ball for awhile....and you are right it takes a lot of time for guys to develop.  Although I do think at times MLB is a little too slow bringing guys up.  Part of the publics problem with it, is that college baseball is nothing compared to college football and so many guys go straight to the minors from HS, that nobody knows who they are until the arrive in the bigs.  Just the way it is.

And chimps, did I strike a nerve?  ;D
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Post by: Grape Ape on July 13, 2010, 10:45:13 AM
All fair points, stoppa.

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Post by: dr.chimps on July 13, 2010, 11:52:37 AM
I agree the games are vastly different, although I think the stability in the NFL is adequate, it's not like entire rosters are turned over year to year.  I worked in minor-league ball for awhile....and you are right it takes a lot of time for guys to develop.  Although I do think at times MLB is a little too slow bringing guys up.  Part of the publics problem with it, is that college baseball is nothing compared to college football and so many guys go straight to the minors from HS, that nobody knows who they are until the arrive in the bigs.  Just the way it is.

And chimps, did I strike a nerve?  ;D
I was just being theatrical. I'm pretty beat up these days, so I resemble that remark.   ;D