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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: stuntmovie on July 13, 2010, 08:28:15 PM
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Some of you guys may be unaware of the fact that some of you have life experiences that would be phenomenal material for major Hollywood movie scripts.
I’ve discussed this movie script idea with some of you GetBiggers and will keep those discussions private unless they want to explain it further on this Board.
But here is a list of the GetBiggers who I “think” have interesting life experiences that could lead to one hell of a great movie script and possibly even an award of some type.
Grant should write a non-fiction script about his life experiences covering his early years in South Africa, his arrival in America, his bodybuilding competitive years, and all the details about getting into, and eventually out of, the porno industry. Add a bit of mystery to the real life fantasy and it just might be up for an Academy Award.
Bay should write a non-fiction script about his connection to the bodybuilding world and all his personal experiences with others in the ‘game’. Bay’s script should be honest without naming names and should be somewhat of a fantasy for the gay movie going audience. An Academy Award would not be possible for Bay but I am sure that there are numerous other awards available for such a story-line.
Ron should write a script about this GetBig Board and how he got it started and all the complications involved. The script should also include short takes on some of the more interesting GetBig critters and critter-ettes and the complications involved in his association with the sanctioning bodies (if any do in fact exist).
Chick should write a script about his job as Athletes’ Rep. Actually it would be pretty boring if it was written as it actually occurs, but it could be expanded to cover some of the unfound accusations that some of us GetBiggers throw at Bob each and every week and particularly before and after every major IFBB event. Include those accusations in the script as actual occurences and it could turn out to be an interesting movie. Needless to say, it would be a script based on fiction and not on fact.
Swede should write a script about a young kid from Sweden who loves MMA and yearns to be associated with MMA in some official capacity and his endeavors to fulfill his dream. Needless to say Swede’s script would be based on fiction and should take us all on an informative tour of the under-belly of the MMA world and what it takes to be a champion while getting the shit kicked out of him on a pretty regular basis. Something like the original “Rocky” but much more vivid and revealing if such ‘thoughts’ are possible within the mind of our good friend Swede.
Disturbia should definitely write a movie script about his life experience! No question about that and the fact that if it was written properly, Hollywood would be banging on his front door and Tom and Brad and Emile and Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Franco and Will would be begging to fill the role. (Disturbia, pick Franco. If you don’t believe me, watch Pineapple Express. But first – get it written in the proper format).
There are a couple more GetBiggers that I can’t mention here because they are giving the idea of scripting their life experiences some very serious consideration.
There are so many life experience stories on this Board that would make phenomenal movie scripts ….. You guys are a scriptwriter’s dream come true but you fail to realize it just yet.
Get that script written and then we’ll start asking these other GetBiggers for the few million that will be needed to get it on film and into the movie houses.
Stallone did it and so can YOU!
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man i hear that all the time. I dont have a clue how to write a script. And really, is it worth a movie? I question that
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if Akiva Goldsman can get his screenplays made into movies then anyone can
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I would love to be the sleazy producer with the casting couch. But if I could be Irving Thalberg with Norma Shearer, that'd be nice, too. :)
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well distubia if you make a movie about yoru life i will more then gladly illigaly download it lol it would be an interesting watch lol
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I've got some shit I've done and seen that would fit right in a fucked up movie
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It seems like you all got something interesting to tell, but just don't know how to get it into the proper screen-play format or maybe you just have a problem with writing what comes into your mind about any give subject.
There are a number of great Movie Script writing programs such as Final Draft that may help you get started.
If you're serious, I suggest you state so here and I'll send you some info about writing for the movie studios I recently found on the net.
Dr Chimps, I think that's already been done.
Hollywood really does need new ideas and is avidly searching for them.
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Just received a message so I assume that there is some interest in this topic.....
If you are interested, I strongly suggest that you start here and give it a good read.....
http://www.scriptwritingsecrets.com/
"The Hollywood Standard" is the Hollywood Bible for script writers.
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It seems like you all got something interesting to tell, but just don't know how to get it into the proper screen-play format or maybe you just have a problem with writing what comes into your mind about any give subject.
There are a number of great Movie Script writing programs such as Final Draft that may help you get started.
If you're serious, I suggest you state so here and I'll send you some info about writing for the movie studios I recently found on the net.
Dr Chimps, I think that's already been done.
Hollywood really does need new ideas and is avidly searching for them.
Stay cool, stunt. I'm a huge movie fan, and meeting Robert Osborne would be amazing! Meeting Buster Keaton is probably out waaaaaaay out of your jd, or getting the Marx Bros. up for a role. :)
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I used to story consult for post grad students in screenwriting.
One cool one was a WW2 movie about a american unit cleaning up after the ceasefire in europe and getting trapped in a town where the locals had turned a bunch of nazis into zombies... pretty funny stuff.
Most of the stories were too personal and had elements that were important to the writer but that nobody else would really give a shit about.
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HERE WE GO!
We got JWB as our script consultant. And that alone is priceless.
What's your fee, JW?
Now do we have a pro Red camera owner among us? Google it.
How bout an experienced Director?
A make up lady? And a Best Boy? What the hell does he do anyway?
An editor?
JW, I think I just saw that Nazi Zombie video on sale ($5.99) at my local grocery store. Was that town in the snow? I'll look for it again tomorrow.
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HERE WE GO!
We got JWB as our script consultant. And that alone is priceless.
What's your fee, JW?
Now do we have a pro Red camera owner among us? Google it.
How bout an experienced Director?
A make up lady? And a Best Boy? What the hell does he do anyway?
An editor?
JW, I think I just saw that Nazi Zombie video on sale ($5.99) at my local grocery store. Was that town in the snow? I'll look for it again tomorrow.
I mainly did it to get into the girls pants and the professor was a friend who thought I had a talent for it from other stuff we'd done together years before.
There is a nazi zombie video game I believe and a euro movie about nazi zombies plus probably some others. Most ideas have been done in some form. Most good films steal the structural beats of other great films but most people don't pick it up.
Movies have changed though check out how SLOW most 70's thrillers are compared to the ones now... not that that is a good thing imo but people aren't as bright as they used to be so you can't make them think too much or they hate you for it.
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Thanks, JW. Do you think that today's audience will understand "INCEPTION"?
Did you ever proof-read a script that was made by one of the major Hollywood studios?
Have you read 'Save the Cat' and what book do you recommend to learn script writing and script format besides "Hollywood Standard"?
And ... what script writing computer program do you consider to be the best?
I'm still trying to find that Nazi zombie movie I saw recently.
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I have written and filmed many short skits before the internet became popular. My partner has all of the tapes and refuses to let me have them or copy them. We are no longer friends. It was comedy gold. Gold Jerry, Gold.
I took an English Comp class where we had to write short stories on experiences. Me being 40 I had a lot more than the average college kid. The professor wanted me to submit one to get it published but I declined. He said it was by far the best essay he had read in 30 years. It was personal and if my family read it they would not have found it flattering.
My problem is I have so much to write about that to tie it all into a script would be a task. I truly believe the best scripts are ones made from real life experience.
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Lester, it sounds to me as though you might have some good material for a book rather than an actual screenplay. Have you considered that possibility?
OR .... If you have too many experiences to write about, it may be to your advantage to consider the possibility of writing a TV series. (A different format entirely.)
Were those tapes you no longer possess of any value?
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A TV series would be cool but would last as long as "The Ropers"
My experiences could definitely be a movie no doubt about it.
Baseball prospect, drugs, parties, jobs, facing 30 years in prison, affair with wifes sister, back to facing felony charges, Always a white collar office guy. No one I have worked with would ever believe the stuff I have done and still face.
Yeah Stunt, Those tapes did hold value for me. Not monetary but man we were the talk of school with what we made. People were wanting to buy them from us. A teacher of ours had locked one up in a cabinet and I broke in there after school to steal it back. He said it was too great to let it go and it was officially school property since it was filmed in his class. ::).
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Thanks, JW. Do you think that today's audience will understand "INCEPTION"?
Did you ever proof-read a script that was made by one of the major Hollywood studios?
Have you read 'Save the Cat' and what book do you recommend to learn script writing and script format besides "Hollywood Standard"?
And ... what script writing computer program do you consider to be the best?
I'm still trying to find that Nazi zombie movie I saw recently.
I just saw the trailer for inception it looks interesting but will have to see it to comment on it.
I've read tons of the books on screenwriting but I don't think any book can teach you good story instincts and can even confuse people with turning points on page 30 type advice.
William Goldman's books are a great read and he talks about the spine of the story which is good advice. One great story is how he told them to end chaplin when charles first develops the tramp character since he felt that 1. his early life was much more interesting than his stardom life and 2. everyone knew his story one he became the tramp anyway.
Another cool story of his was how he couldn't put some of the best, and funniest, parts of butch cassidy's life in the movie since it didn't occur in the timeframe his story had to be told in... the moral is you usually have to cut some of your best material to make something work - sometimes even the first stuff you think of that you are sure is essential to your tale.
I'm in australia but some stuff i advised on got made into tv movies etc... you'd be amazed how little some directors know about other films and especially story elements.
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Thanks for that info, jwb.
Here's another book that an avid screenwriting friend of mine highly recommends....
. Screenwriter Blake Snyder is the author of the best-selling book, "Save the Cat! ® The Last Book on Screenwriting You'll Ever Need."
And I have been told by others that "Save the Cat" and "The Hollywood Standard" are the two best books written about the subject.
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Straight to DVD.
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Straight to DVD can be very profitable.
In fact many .... movies are made with the knowledge that they will not be profitable during their theatrical run, but that 'theatrical run' is merely a means of advertisement for that production's video sales.
Hollywood devises many ways to make its products profitable.
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I wanna be in movies, but I got a face for radio.
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Gotta have incredible talent like Joan.
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HERE WE GO!
We got JWB as our script consultant. And that alone is priceless.
What's your fee, JW?
Now do we have a pro Red camera owner among us? Google it.
How bout an experienced Director?
A make up lady? And a Best Boy? What the hell does he do anyway?
An editor?
JW, I think I just saw that Nazi Zombie video on sale ($5.99) at my local grocery store. Was that town in the snow? I'll look for it again tomorrow.
benchmstr should do the music.
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Gotta have incredible talent like Joan.
to perform a 3 chord cover of someone else's song?
Hell, even The Band had someone else write that song for them.
this is a much better showcase of Joan's talent:
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Showstopper, with lines like that you should be a writer for the guy who gets no respect.
Got more?
One of my family members did a part of the score for Bill and Ted's Big/Excellent Adventure (or whatever that movie was called) and another is presently with Cirque touring Europe as a musician, but I have no idea how the music side of sho-biz works and I hate to watch any singer perform. Singers should be heard and not seen in my opinion.
Why pay $150 to watch someone sing songs for 90 minutes when you can simply turn on a radio and listen forever for free and get some work done at the same damn time?
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Before this topic falls off the first page (who the hell reads the 2nd page anyway!?), I gotta mention that I think that TBomz' life-experience would make an interesting movie script.
The trials and tribulations of a very honest and likable married bi-bodybuilder out to make it big.
Write it somewhat like 'It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia' (Thanks, JNN) with T and a group of his real hometown friends within a gym environment and a competitive atmosphere each wishing to make it to the big-time within various chosen professions. (Or something like that.)
Bomz would be the lead character who cannot tell a lie no matter what the consequences.
But since Bomz has only had a short life-experience of 21 years (so far), he 'll have to think a few years ahead to add some humerous characters and funny material to his story as most movie scripts have to be at least 120 pages if I recall correctly.
A movie script format is so exacting that a movie producer or director or you or even me, can forecast the movie's length simply by seeing how many pages are in the script.
Thanks for the input from you guys who have had real experiences with script writing. I've proof-read many but have never finished one personally but I've been told that I have some great story line idea that should developed.
Thanks for list-ning!
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Straight to DVD can be very profitable.
In fact many .... movies are made with the knowledge that they will not be profitable during their theatrical run, but that 'theatrical run' is merely a means of advertisement for that production's video sales.
Hollywood devises many ways to make its products profitable.
australia is very different since 90% of films are government funded so just getting the funding to get something made is the aim - you make a good salary from the funding and never expect money back from the box office.
Some aussie films are so bad that they take in around $20k at the box office and they cost the taxpayers $4-5mil to make. The producers can rip off the funding body pretty easily with inflated estimates and kickbacks too.
The writing here is underdeveloped imo. A lot of young writers get their break too early, their film is a failure, and they are never heard from again.
Crocodile dundee couldn't get govt funding so paul hogan sold shares for something like $7000 to get money for it. Those shares paid out 20 times over or something like that.
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grant's life is a fucking movie
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Just talking about screenwriting and movie making is bullshit.
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Just talking about screenwriting and movie making is bullshit........
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MEGA .... Even worst is the fact that only a very small percentage of that 10% of screenwriting and movie making that isn't bullshit (by your estimation), makes multi millions in profits.
I personally know two individuals who are multi-millionaires today because they took the initial risk of "putting pen to paper" and rolling film.
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why is the grant story interesting? LA is full of boys (and mostly girls) who came here with stars in their eyes and wound up waitressing/tweeting/doing porn.
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CLOWNEY, I think that the Grant story is interesting because it was somewhat of a success within a questionable industry and had no apparent, adverse affect on his livelihood once he 'retired'.
Plus the fact that he was a good looking bodybuilder from South Africa who gave up a promising pro bodybuilding career to get into the porn industry and turned it into his personal success story which he was not ashamed to admit to and tell the world about.
Plus the apparent fact that a good number of us GetBiggers would have given his left nut to step into his moccasins to have a pow-WOW with a Cherokee in a teepee ..... even though twenty other indians are gathered around to ensure that the scene goes well and gets 'in the can/in the papoose'.
Plus other interesting and personal every-day ocurrances which Grant may be keeping private until he writes the script and gets it sold.
And when and if that ever does happen, you'll all most likely be seeking an audition for the leading role.
YOU ladies too!
But by then, Grant will have to take a Producer role.
But, personally, I think he ought to return to competitive BB and win the Masters.
This could turn out to be a vicious circle career-wise,
A good script idea for Twi-light Zone.
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I still think that DISTURBIA has one hell of a story to tell. Possibly Academy Award material.
Where the hell did he head off to?
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I think he got banned. :(
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Before this topic falls off the first page (who the hell reads the 2nd page anyway!?), I gotta mention that I think that TBomz' life-experience would make an interesting movie script.
The trials and tribulations of a very honest and likable married bi-bodybuilder out to make it big.
Write it somewhat like 'It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia' (Thanks, JNN) with T and a group of his real hometown friends within a gym environment and a competitive atmosphere each wishing to make it to the big-time within various chosen professions. (Or something like that.)
Bomz would be the lead character who cannot tell a lie no matter what the consequences.
But since Bomz has only had a short life-experience of 21 years (so far), he 'll have to think a few years ahead to add some humerous characters and funny material to his story as most movie scripts have to be at least 120 pages if I recall correctly.
A movie script format is so exacting that a movie producer or director or you or even me, can forecast the movie's length simply by seeing how many pages are in the script.
Thanks for the input from you guys who have had real experiences with script writing. I've proof-read many but have never finished one personally but I've been told that I have some great story line idea that should developed.
Thanks for list-ning!
Used to write a bit o' ad copy and coupled with something of an ability to do voice overs. Well... If so inclined I could rip a tbombz film a new one vis a vis Tag Lines. Given his predilection for being an asspuppet, I imagine the little stooltoad would just love having a new one ripped.
As for my life story, they are already making a two part Hobbit film... ;D
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My life story would be banned in Boston and Rated X.
Wore a lot of different hats in my day.........now I only wear one to cover my bald head. :(
FUCK THAT NOISE!! ;D
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stuntmovie - you seem like the typical LA guy walking around thinking that what you give a fuck for the rest of the planet does, no one gives a fuck about people here and their life stories, well maybe a few here do but thats it.
you hollywood moochers who think that because you like some bullshit everyone would like it too are no different then the girl dating a fat slobs and shes convinced everyone wants him.
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MUSCULARNY, What you said above .... It isn't the first time I've heard similar LA/Hollywood experiences, but it might be because you hang around the wrong crowd or have been less than successful in the business that the studios have to offer.
You might be aware that I am NOT in a position where I can help anyone break into the business (xcept on three very successful occasions), but as a felow human being and long term GetBigger, I can encourage a WalMart bag checker, or gas station attendant, etc to get off their ass and pursue their dreams or at least make an attempt to let them know the various opportunities that the movie industry has to offer.
And believe me, I speak as a former gas station attendant who got off his butt to experience the SoCal lifestyle.
But I was fortunate enough to meet some damn good people within the industry and have witnessed and experienced the 'good side" over many years.
I do agree that it's a tough nut to crack with a lot of hardships and questionable participants involved, but I've seen many friends become ultra successful on the movie screen and behind it due to their associates, hard work and dedication (one of whom is currently working on a well known $150,000,000++ production with two other major openings this summer.
I hate to be redundant, but it appears that even your LA experience could be of interest if you put it to paper in the proper format and made some attempt at meeting the right people who have reason to believe in you.
Can I ask you what kind of work you did in LA and what has caused some of the animosity and negativity.
Thanks, NY ..... Stunt
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stunt is your yahoo account still active? I want send you something to read if you have a minute.
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Another few ideas for movies about Getbiggers:
"Fatpanda", about a kid that is fat and goes on an epic journey from his PC chair to his fridge to get lean, and how he fails miserably. Including a private detective and some nasty phone calls.... Cameos by The Incredible Hulk, Superman and Kid Cat.
"Living Las Vegas", about a kid that has dabbled in steroids, lost his source and is now lost himself inside a shitty body with low testosterone, but a lot of hate for the goodlooking people in the world.
"Hill Billy", about a very goodlooking man and his way into madness, starring Johnny Falcon, Paint Thinner, Crystal Meth, Sea Salt and Coffee Cup.
"Deep Tissue", ahhhh forget it.
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"The Translator" about the underworld of high end translators (cash, women, and natural bodybuilding)
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"The Translator" about the underworld of high end translators (cash, women, and natural bodybuilding)
:o :o :o :o :o
Damn, i would watch that.
How about the story of a poor Romanian gypsy who went out to take the tennis world in storm, then unfortunately got caught in a secret gouvernment mind reading program where he learned about aliens, stealing cars and potatoes. :o :o :o
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:o :o :o :o :o
Damn, i would watch that.
How about the story of a poor Romanian gypsy who went out to take the tennis world in storm, then unfortunately got caught in a secret gouvernment mind reading program where he learned about aliens, stealing cars and potatoes. :o :o :o
sounds intriguing
I would wave in the secret german japanese genetic interbreeding program trying to sprout a new super race
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sounds intriguing
I would wave in the secret german japanese genetic interbreeding program trying to sprout a new super race
i heard about that, seems to be very sucessfull. ;D ;D
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i heard about that, seems to be very sucessfull. ;D ;D
did they solve the slanted eyes? ;D
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did they solve the slanted eyes? ;D
LOL, you bastard. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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LOL, you bastard. ;D ;D ;D ;D
sorry .. had to ;D
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sorry .. had to ;D
No problem ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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"From cum rags to riches" ..insert bodybuilder
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I do agree that it's a tough nut to crack with a lot of hardships and questionable participants involved, but I've seen many friends become ultra successful on the movie screen and behind it due to their associates, hard work and dedication (one of whom is currently working on a well known $150,000,000++ production with two other major openings this summer.
everyone is working on a 150 million+ project, it just never happens to 99.9% of people, I mean how many investor meetings are there a night in LA? Like a a billion?
I have no problem with people chasing any dream they want, but I do have a problem when the dream is comes from from heavy drug usage and laziness because at that point the judgement is all messed up, hence almost everyone there is dead broke.
Let me ask you, is there another place on the planet where almost every person name drops at least once a day?
I mean you might be so sunk into that life you do not realize whats wrong with that whole situation, and how can one realize if everyone you hang with dreams about the same shit.
You seem very smart and motivated in your posts, but I think here is what I always wonder.
Say I go to a guy and say hey I want to open a business, say a car wash, and id like for him to invest. And he asks me ok sure, what are the costs and projection of income.
I reply, with its 2 million to open, and based on the amount of cars and how much others do in area and how the location has X amount of traffic blah blah and can come up with reasonable projection.
With movies the investors are in many cases ego people who want some part of the movie biz. I met this guy once in a club called Villa in Beverly Hills, tiny club, he was talking about how he gets investors for films,, he says when he use to raise money for regular businesses hed never want the potential investors wife at the meeting. In the movie industry he always demand please bring your wife as she would be able to relate more to the film. So im sitting there and im like why would you do that? Hes like because all he needs to say is, the film has a great potential of winning an oscar based on "blah blah blah", as an investor youd get 2 tickets for sure, and hope you have a nice outfit for a show like that.
What surprised me even more is that hes like even if a film gets an oscar the chances of investors getting tickets to that specific even is almost ziltch.
Bottom line is, Ive heard so much about what goes on, as someone who is not involved and openly make fun of people having unrealistic expectations many open up and tell me their stories, I do not find it funny I find it sad, what a waste of life, most are great people just caught up in the dream.
I will be in LA end of this week, I look forward hearing more bullshit stories. The funny thing is I do not have to wait to land in LA for the stories to start, if the person sitting next to me on the plane is from LA, there is a good chance that by the time I land I would of heard a ton of their sad dreams about their Hollywood chase.
And even if the person sitting next to me isnt from LA, at least 15 people will be holding their cellphones as they are boarding the plane and will be yapping about some script or some celeb name and how they where in love with some idea and some film shoot location and all that bullshit.
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good post.
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I wish a whole lot of people on this forum got together to make a snuff movie
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I wish a whole lot of people on this forum got together to make a snuff movie
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Any suggestions for the cast? I would say a tall german could suck a muscle and maybe slacker a fat panda, or an obtuse waiter.
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NY, Thanks for your latest response which appears to have been written with a lot of emotion and concern, but I find it somewhat difficult to respond because it's almost like each of us writing two very different reviews of the very same movie. You see it one way and I see it another.
I am dead positive that your opinion is pretty damn accurate when it comes to the vast majority of individuals in search of a "movie star" career, but even you have got to admit that SoCal is packed with very successful people who work within the movie industry.
You don't have to be a star to be a major success in LA-LA Land.
The vast majority of people I have met in the LA area have jobs that are directly related to the movie, TV, or music industry. They may not be the stars of major motion pictures but they are making a damn good living in the entertainment business which still profits through adverse periods. (A couple of my family members have worked continuously these past five years.)
It seems that you MIGHT be referring to dreamers who arrive in Hollywood expecting to get a role in a production at one of the major studios without the required credentials. And YES, this a common ocurrance which leads to failure and disappointment and many sad stories to take back home.
But for others Hollywood and the entertainment industry is a dream come ... providing one is qualified to fit a needed role.
So who are these successful and qualified individuals who tell of personal experinces in direct opposition to your own?
The evident ones are the the stars, the studio heads and retinue of "Yes Men". the directors. producers, script writers, editors, etc., etc.
But you just have to watch the final credits roll by to see the many hundreds of paid personnel involved within the movie making process.
I know a company in the valley that exists merely to rig various scenes on various sets, and warehouses in Studio City that do great business designing hundreds of clothes and props for most of the movies you've seen in the past couple of decades.
And then you got the stunt guys and gals (God bless 'em), and the motion capture crew, and the geeks and their computers who creat on-screen wonders, etc.
And a good number of these guys and gals finish one picture and then hop over to the next.
And those jobs pay damn well if one has the required credentials or the "look" that is required for an upcoming production.
I hope I've made it somewhat clear that Hollywood and its 'denizens' are not actually as dismal as you portray even though your attitude is often justified when someone's dream fades away.
But there are 1.000's more whose dreams come true every day.
Thanks for discussion, NY. Can you tell me what your job was in LA or if it revolved around the entertainment business?
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appropriate use of the decimal point... although maybe i'd put it before the 1 even.
NY, Thanks for your latest response which appears to have been written with a lot of emotion and concern, but I find it somewhat difficult to respond because it's almost like each of us writing two very different reviews of the very same movie. You see it one way and I see it another.
I am dead positive that your opinion is pretty damn accurate when it comes to the vast majority of individuals in search of a "movie star" career, but even you have got to admit that SoCal is packed with very successful people who work within the movie industry.
You don't have to be a star to be a major success in LA-LA Land.
The vast majority of people I have met in the LA area have jobs that are directly related to the movie, TV, or music industry. They may not be the stars of major motion pictures but they are making a damn good living in the entertainment business which still profits through adverse periods. (A couple of my family members have worked continuously these past five years.)
It seems that you MIGHT be referring to dreamers who arrive in Hollywood expecting to get a role in a production at one of the major studios without the required credentials. And YES, this a common ocurrance which leads to failure and disappointment and many sad stories to take back home.
But for others Hollywood and the entertainment industry is a dream come ... providing one is qualified to fit a needed role.
So who are these successful and qualified individuals who tell of personal experinces in direct opposition to your own?
The evident ones are the the stars, the studio heads and retinue of "Yes Men". the directors. producers, script writers, editors, etc., etc.
But you just have to watch the final credits roll by to see the many hundreds of paid personnel involved within the movie making process.
I know a company in the valley that exists merely to rig various scenes on various sets, and warehouses in Studio City that do great business designing hundreds of clothes and props for most of the movies you've seen in the past couple of decades.
And then you got the stunt guys and gals (God bless 'em), and the motion capture crew, and the geeks and their computers who creat on-screen wonders, etc.
And a good number of these guys and gals finish one picture and then hop over to the next.
And those jobs pay damn well if one has the required credentials or the "look" that is required for an upcoming production.
I hope I've made it somewhat clear that Hollywood and its 'denizens' are not actually as dismal as you portray even though your attitude is often justified when someone's dream fades away.
But there are 1.000's more whose dreams come true every day.
Thanks for discussion, NY. Can you tell me what your job was in LA or if it revolved around the entertainment business?
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NY, Thanks for your latest response which appears to have been written with a lot of emotion and concern, but I find it somewhat difficult to respond because it's almost like each of us writing two very different reviews of the very same movie. You see it one way and I see it another.
I am dead positive that your opinion is pretty damn accurate when it comes to the vast majority of individuals in search of a "movie star" career, but even you have got to admit that SoCal is packed with very successful people who work within the movie industry.
You don't have to be a star to be a major success in LA-LA Land.
The vast majority of people I have met in the LA area have jobs that are directly related to the movie, TV, or music industry. They may not be the stars of major motion pictures but they are making a damn good living in the entertainment business which still profits through adverse periods. (A couple of my family members have worked continuously these past five years.)
It seems that you MIGHT be referring to dreamers who arrive in Hollywood expecting to get a role in a production at one of the major studios without the required credentials. And YES, this a common ocurrance which leads to failure and disappointment and many sad stories to take back home.
But for others Hollywood and the entertainment industry is a dream come ... providing one is qualified to fit a needed role.
So who are these successful and qualified individuals who tell of personal experinces in direct opposition to your own?
The evident ones are the the stars, the studio heads and retinue of "Yes Men". the directors. producers, script writers, editors, etc., etc.
But you just have to watch the final credits roll by to see the many hundreds of paid personnel involved within the movie making process.
I know a company in the valley that exists merely to rig various scenes on various sets, and warehouses in Studio City that do great business designing hundreds of clothes and props for most of the movies you've seen in the past couple of decades.
And then you got the stunt guys and gals (God bless 'em), and the motion capture crew, and the geeks and their computers who creat on-screen wonders, etc.
And a good number of these guys and gals finish one picture and then hop over to the next.
And those jobs pay damn well if one has the required credentials or the "look" that is required for an upcoming production.
I hope I've made it somewhat clear that Hollywood and its 'denizens' are not actually as dismal as you portray even though your attitude is often justified when someone's dream fades away.
But there are 1.000's more whose dreams come true every day.
Thanks for discussion, NY. Can you tell me what your job was in LA or if it revolved around the entertainment business?
well yes I know guys who work in post houses that do well, guys who do gear (no juice lol) rentals, guys etc.
The credit roll is mostly people who made no money and their reward was credit or 50-100 bucks or whatever. If everyone in the credit rolls would make a sane living cali wouldnt be in such deep financial shit and the people there wont have to go to real estate open houses to get their free cookies and milk.
1000's whos dream come true everyday? I mean listen to what you just said, 350,000 people a year have their dreams come thre in hollywood? I dont think 350,000 people thru out all industries thruout the entire US have their dreams come true.
1000's of people made have their dreams destroyed daily as they realized they chased bullshit and they have a few choices, become waiters, hookers, and a whole host of other trash or some run back to their family and start trying to make a new life out of mom basement.
Look in backstage casting, go to the audition sites, and see what they have for people and their dreams, talk to the real good talent who already have agents and see if they can make ends meet even for a month off what they make.
Yes you are right, a good quality editor, a good animator a good flash/web guy, guys who own studios especially those with good open space green screen and mocap stuff, has better chance of making money in that industry then the avg wanna be actor / actress.
I met this girl in 06 (maybe 05 or 07) in a club called Mood (in west hollywood) good looking 23 year old, she moved to LA from texas 6 months earlier to become an actress, she went to many auditions weekly, most she said where no pay some meal + credits etc some pay, she was working on getting her SAG card etc so she can apply to more places that have pay. Anyway she went to acting school, told me she had a reel made I mean the whole thing. We exchanged numbers and I been in touch with her here and there, its now mid 2011 shes works as a hostess in a lounge (mind you she had 50 jobs between then and now) she has over 20 credits that can be seen in IMDB, but she did even more work than that, she said her friends in texas think shes a millionaire not realizing all work combined got her about $6000! And shes already a hard worker, great looking, funny and all.
I mean 1000 of people there have the same story, after all how many new a list actors did hollywood produce in the past few years, compared to how many dreamed of it? 1 out of a million?
Look im basing things on fact, how they really are, you wanna talk optimistic and all, id rather stick to reality.
I will agree a good looking guy or girl, thats balls to the wall dedicated and put online a ton of clips of them etc and goes to non stop auditions will get work, problem is the work wont be any serious money.
So if you dream is to have parts in flicks, you can do it, but if its to make money doing it, well you might as well play lotto.
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Strip the tinsel off Hollywood and you'll find the real tinsel underneath.
That said, I know a few people that moved there and of those two are recognizable but in different ways. One has made it very big and the other enjoyed moderate success. Now then, time to drop a few "names":
Bob. Carol. Ted. Alice. ;)
Anyone impressed? I thought not. Later days, folks.
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REEVES, I'm impressed but I wanna drop some names too....
Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice ..... (DItto, ditto, ditto, ditto)
I was on the set of Doctor's Wives as a personal guest of the studio OWNER (honest - the same studio that TOm Cruise supposedly owns today) ad I think Bob or Carol or Ted or Alice (possibly each of them) were in that movie all in bed together. (Too lazy to see if I'm right or not!).
I recall this studio story explicitly because once we entered the set with the studio owner .... the camerra stopped rolling and everything came to a standstill and everyone stood up to greet 'US'.
Even Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice hopped out of bed to come and shake our hands.
But the real reason we were there was so that the studio boss could tell everyone present their competitor had 'won' the rights to Mario Puzo's - THE GODFATHER. Ad we were among the first in all of Hollywood to know.
I won't mention the studio owner's name cause he may not like it and won't invite me back ever again to show me stuff that he paid millions of dollars for but was never used in the movie.
On another occasion I held xxxxxx's Academy Award (the OSCAR) so that it's recipient could not use it as a 'murder' weapon. While that business was being conducted I held that heavy statue in my hands and gave my acceptance speach. THE TRUTH.
That's called Name Drop'en without naming names.
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REEVES, I'm impressed but I wanna drop some names too....
Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice ..... (DItto, ditto, ditto, ditto)
I was on the set of Doctor's Wives as a personal guest of the studio OWNER (honest - the same studio that TOm Cruise supposedly owns today) ad I think Bob or Carol or Ted or Alice (possibly each of them) were in that movie all in bed together. (Too lazy to see if I'm right or not!).
I recall this studio explicitly because once we entered the set with the studio owner .... the camerra stopped rolling and everything came to a standstill and everyone stood up to greet 'US'.
Even Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice hopped out of bed to come and shake our hands.
But the real reason we were there was so that the studio boss could tell everyone present their competitor had 'won' the rights to Mario Puzo's - THE GODFATHER. Ad we were among the first in all of Hollywood to know.
I won't mention the studio owner's name cause he may not like it and won't invite me back ever again to show me stuff that he paid millions of dollars for but was never used in the movie.
On another occasion I held xxxxxx's Academy Award (the OSCAR) so that it's recipient could not use it as a 'murder' weapon. While that business was being conducted I held that heavy statue in my hands and gave my acceptance speach. THE TRUTH.
I won't mention the studio owner's name cause he may not like it and won't invite me back ever again.
That's called Name Drop'en without naming names.
no thats called named dropping to a group of people here who would call you out in five seconds as id make sure to get a hold of whoever's name you dropped. If you where talking to a bunch of chics or other high on weed hollywood disasters youd drop names and theyd out do you with a bigger name etc.
again, there is always that story of some guy who filmed a 10000 film and made million, but for every one of those guys the web is loaded with hundreds of thousands who will never be anywhere,
so should a person not try? nah try away, but be realistic and understand that you need to ask strangers not in LA what they think, not your friends.
To many times guys walk around with a movie idea and they have selective hearing, they only hear when someone says its great.
Or people who think they can act etc, some people dont go to acting school lol, one girl tells me "she dont have to, her mom told her shes a natural actress".
I dont work in that industry directly but rather indirectly, big fucking joke
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NY, sorry but I did not mean 1,000's each and every day. I actually meant that thousands work each day within the industry. But I do agree with you that many more thousands DON'T.
And I definitely cannot refute your personal experiences, but mine have been much different when it comes to family involvement in MAJOR motion pictures and the contacts made as a result of working with the cream of Hollywoods crop.
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Here's a pretty neat story that is somewhat similar to your own acting school story ... but with a much more different outcome ......
My best Marine Corps bud was Jack Tyree who went to Hollywood after his tour of duty and set himself up as a Scuba Diving Instructor at one of the YMCA's near Studio City (Universal Studios).
He was not a movie or TV buff so he didn't realize that he was teaching some of the cast and crew from a major TV show shot on the Universal lot called THE VIRGINIAN.
Jim Drury offered Jack a job that would take him out of the YMCA and into TV and eventually the movies. The intent was to set up scuba classes for all movie productions that intended to shoot underwater footage ... and that job led to Jack's first marriage with a stunt lady and his own involvement in the stunt business with live action shows in the new Universal Studios Park up thar on that yonder hill up thar.
And that in turn was the beginning of one of Hollywood's major stuntmen's associations.
And a stuntmen's wild assed bar in the valley further into the sunset (west).
So Jack found himself in one of Hollywood's acting classes doing scenes with a young Goldie Hawn and promising each other that they'd help each other if one or the other made it big in the movie business.
SO Goldie made it bigtime and Jack could be seen in all her movies.
And Jack was a friendly and likeable big guy and did favors for well connected Hollywood people and shook more hands than he could count with no idea who the hell he was meeting. but those hand shakers turned out to be studio bigwigs and top stars and so he got personal invites to be in their next planned feature films.
Anthony Quinn was a friend so Jack was in his movies and James Garner was a friend and most of the major western TV stars called upon Jack when they didn't want to do a particular scene.
Jack at 6'4" even doubled for the much shorter GET SMART (Don Adams) guy because he didn't want to jump off that Universal backlot bridge into dirty water. Jack did the scene within 20 minutes and got a sizeable check with many other residuals shortly after.
So contacts made in some acting classes can pay off eventually. Jack was a big, likeable guy ... so that was a major advantage.
NY, Hollywood is not nor has ever been my long term residence, so I have not experienced it like you have .
And I have been fortunate due to the fact that various family members have done exceptionally well in the movie business starting with some Hollywood opera singer way back in the 1920 whom I know nothing about through Gil Donaldson who had a good role in DALLAS wtih Gary Cooper(?) and Ruth Roman, and my own but long forgotten in-the-crowd scenes with Sinatra and Kim Novak, and numerous invites to work with Jack in just about every film he ever made (he and his stunt buds made morotcycle and sea creature movies on weekends with "borrowed equipment" from the studios on the weekends and then released them to Asian markets and US drive ins - I played the part of the Dead Guy), up to the present day when my nephew has worked on most of the major blockbusters over the past 6 years or more.
So, I have experienced a different side of the Hollywood equation than you have which is good for me but I wish that you would have experienced the same. Then I would have asked for an autographed 8 X 10 without hearing a response of, "Twenty bucks!"
It does appear that you have given it a try though.
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NAME DROPP'N!
Back when Keith was actively posting on this board and dropp'n names, I used to politely argue with him about me knowing twice the number of people he ever met and we'd always get a big laugh out of all you GetBiggers who would complain about Keith and the names he named.
But the fact is ..... he actually did know them all and worked with may others and he would seldom say anything adverse about any of them so we thought it was kind of funny that you guys and gals took so much offense over so many true and sometimes interesting stories.
Almost a thousand years ago, my dad threw me out of the house with the command, "Go out and meet everyone you can! ... And don't come back!"
So I crashed a San Francisco 49's annual luncheon a couple of miles away (disguised as a waiter) and met everyone in the place and even stold the 49'er banner that was stretched across the speaker's podium.
The next day I headed south into Hollywood, met top stars who were not working, crashed the studios and met many more who were.
Since then I'm been shaking hands all over the planet.
Keith never even came close!
Sorry, Keith. RIP
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well there are a ton of amazing stories, put in any actors name in wikipedia and you will see amazing stories on how they got to be, If wikipedia would have a file on everyone who failed their database would crash
im all for supporting people and their business dreams, but when they say acting etc i must doubt their sanity
i will admit thou, a guy that just wants to get laid all day, LA is the place
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One last comment before we quit this topic, NY.
Another good friend of mine was a fitness model who had a side job training Hollywood personalities to get ready for their next big role.
As a result of those contacts he was invited to a big dinner at the home of a major studio OWNER (not the same owner as mentioned earlier) who was responsible for the success of more than a couple of top actors in today's motion pictures.
During the diner one of the guests mentioned that this fitness model would look great on the silver screen in such and such a forthcoming production.
SO the next day he was asked to come to the owner's office where he received an offer from the owner to undergo special studio treatment with the aim of making him a top star ... something legit and somewhat similar to the olden day contracts at MGM.
But one immediate requirement was .... "You will have to lose 20 pounds to look good on screen!"
With that the conversation came to an end with a polite, "Thank-you!" and a hearty handshake and a swift exit back to reality.
He was once a skinny kid who trained hard and added good muscle and size and flatly refused to give it up under any circumstance.
Besides that, the only real thing he wanted in this lifetime was to be with his wife as much as possible and get hired as a body guard by a top contending rapper.
Strange story ... but true!
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yawn
more fake shit than ripitup
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see you seem to think that im saying nobody has any luck in hollywood, I can give you stories too, but in life its all about determining what are the chances.
In other words, there are people who are day traders from home and make a living, but in most cases people lose, there are people who go to vegas and win big but in most cases they lose.
So the people who live life thinking they can beat the system in most cases get beaten by the system.
So my advice to people is to go after things that are more likely than things that are least likely.
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Stavios could make a script about his love for bodybuilding and how he died for you bitches at 25 years of age
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Stavios could make a script about his love for bodybuilding and how he died for you bitches at 25 years of age
tragic.
Who do you want to play you, would this Ryan Reynolds guy be a good choice? We could put him on your exact stack and see what happens. ;D ;D
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tragic.
Who do you want to play you, would this Ryan Reynolds guy be a good choice? We could put him on your exact stack and see what happens. ;D ;D
I would like Denzel Washington to play me for sure 8)
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I would like Denzel Washington to play me for sure 8)
;D ;D ;D ;D
As long as it's not Justin Bieber....
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As long as it's not Justin Bieber....
Yep, cause we need him (and his arms) to play Method101
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yawn
more fake shit than ripitup
Rip is obviously in your head, Sebastian. :-\