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Watching Fox News and this story comes on...
Forever 21 is for the young girls. The company states it's not promoting pregnancy, ARE U KIDDING ME. It's launching it's line in some of the highest teen pregnancy rates, CA, AZ, UT, and a few others. But like the commentary stated (can't remember her name) if my daughter looks at a maternity shirt in forever 21 and says "oh that maternity shirt makes pregnancy look sexy" then I failed as a parent and need to explain what messages companies and people are stating.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/business&id=7557957
http://www.parentdish.com/2010/07/14/forever-21-launches-maternity-line-in-states-with-high-teen
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/071410-forever-21-launches-maternity-line
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Teen pregnancy is a parenting problem and has nothing to do with clothing.
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Promoting? No. Capitalizing? Oh yehhhhh. :)
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They probably knew exactly what they were doing. Marketing people do their homework.
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Drakje I agree with you but the simple fact they have that line of clothing sickens me
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C'mon, NM! Would you rather pregnant teens wear ill fitting clothes, accentuating their already compromised situation? Teens that will get pregnant will regardless if the clothes exist or not...might as well have proper fitting kit to go with it. :)
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C'mon, NM! Would you rather pregnant teens wear ill fitting clothes, accentuating their already compromised situation? Teens that will get pregnant will regardless if the clothes exist or not...might as well have proper fitting kit to go with it. :)
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Would you hit it? ???
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Trashy parents have trashy kids that get knocked up at 16. Disgusting.
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Trashy parents have trashy kids that get knocked up at 16. Disgusting.
I don't agree with that.
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Trashy parents have trashy kids that get knocked up at 16. Disgusting.
That's not true.....
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Would you hit it? ???
If I wrote "no" it would be a damn lie.
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I don't agree with that.
okay.,.. maybe 1% of the time, a 16-year old gets preggo and her parents were on top of things.
but the other 99% of the time, it's the same thing... they let the boyfriend stay over... they let the kids drink... the parents weren't there much of the time... etc etc.
hell, you can look on your kids computer or myspace and learn a ton about them these days. Or, you can just sit and talk with them.
I have known a lot of teenage moms, and in every case, it was always the same. parents let the circumstances happen and one thing just led to another. it's trashy. Limits much of the kid's options for life... having a child that young makes school/work MUCH harder... and the boy she's dating at 16 is very rarely the kind of man she'll want at age 25 when she's established her career and education.
So yeah, 99% of the time, trashy parents let their kids run wild and lots of sex = teenage mother.
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I dunno... A kid has no business f---king... it's that simple. Wait until you're 18 and out of the house. Teach them what options are limited if they have a baby before they're a senior in high school. Maybe it's perfect parenting and trashy kids, just fcking without condoms because they're idiots. But 99% of the time, parents hold blame too.
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Good grief. Talk about naive. ::) To say 99 percent of pregnant teens had "trashy" or uninvolved, "bad," etc. parents just shows you don't have enough life experience.
Good parents have kids who make dumb decisions. Most parents who have raised teenagers will tell you they do some pretty stupid stuff sometimes. Bill Cosby was right about kids: they have brain damage.
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I don't agree with that.
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My mom was 15 when I popped out. My grandparents were pretty strict. Military background, had to be home when the street lights come on, all of that kind of stuff that is lacking today but sometimes stuff happens. 99% of the time is too high of an estimate 240.
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My mom was 15 when I popped out. My grandparents were pretty strict. Military background, had to be home when the street lights come on, all of that kind of stuff that is lacking today but sometimes stuff happens. 99% of the time is too high of an estimate 240.
Exactly lester, stories like this, it happens DOES NOT mean it's trashy. Sounds like my days of growing up..Get home, better do the homework THEN go OUTSIDE, when the lights came on, in the house. Especially Military background, ran deep in my family.
Good parents have kids who make dumb decisions. Most parents who have raised teenagers will tell you they do some pretty stupid stuff sometimes. Bill Cosby was right about kids: they have brain damage.
I love that skit
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Sorry... I've seen just so so many teenage parents as a teacher - and I met many of their parents - and every one of them had their heads up their asses and allowed the circumstances that let it happen. They didn't get knocked up after their first beautiful experience at prom... then did is sleeping over at a boys house on a thurs night... I mean, WTF...
There are lots of ways to relieve sexual tension without intercourse.
Instead of telling kids "don't do anything until youre married"... might be wiser to teach them (once they're 15,16,17 and you fear the inevitable is arriving) ways to relive instinctual impulses without risking STD and pregnancy.
I believe in a higher power. But I dont think the bible works for many kids. it DID work for me - I held off until way after most of my peers because of religious reasons.
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What does abstinence or the Bible have to do with your comment?
Trashy parents have trashy kids that get knocked up at 16. Disgusting.
This is simply a ridiculously inaccurate and judgmental statement. There are instances where poor parenting contributes to teen pregnancy, but there are many instances where teens who received good training make poor choices.
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No matter how you slice it, most teen pregnancy is a parenting issue. Kids can be more confused by an environment where sex is never discussed as any extreme in the opposite direction.
Plenty of people turned out fine but someone knocked up young wouldn't being monitored or was poorly informed about sex. Thinking you're the exception, rather than the rule, just feels better.
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No matter how you slice it, most teen pregnancy is a parenting issue. Kids can be more confused by an environment where sex is never discussed as any extreme in the opposite direction.
Plenty of people turned out fine but someone knocked up young wouldn't being monitored or was poorly informed about sex. Thinking you're the exception, rather than the rule, just feels better.
I disagree. I've been around enough teenagers and "good" parents to know that good training doesn't always produce teenagers who make good decisions . . . all the time. Teen pregnancy is about one mistake on a given day by two dummies who couldn't control their hormones.
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Teens have sex wow who would have thought? This is more 'moral' outrage that focuses on the peripheral rather than on the topic - if teens are getting pregnant how can you reduce that? Well you can't stop them having sex (abstinence doesn't work for the majority and never will in human beings with hormones) so you educate and inform. If kids are wearing protection, taking birth control and making smart decisions about their sexual relationships they have a far less likely chance at being pregnant. No store is to blame for it, just the poor decision making of teens in heat and the parental/religious groups who handcuff schools so they can't teach kids how to be safe and to not get pregnant.
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The only "safe sex" is sex between married couples. Condoms are an abject failure. Kids will not consistently use them. But that horse has been beaten to death on the board.
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The only "safe sex" is sex between married couples. Condoms are an abject failure. Kids will not consistently use them. But that horse has been beaten to death on the board.
hahaha give me a break. Condoms are not a failure in any sense of the word. We also have 'the pill' among other birth control methods. But hey keep beating the 'dead horse' of anti-condom campaigns. You sound like those african 'leaders' who say condoms are for sinners and won't protect against HIV. Or better yet those physchos who take their daughters to 'abstinence balls' ::)
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hahaha give me a break. Condoms are not a failure in any sense of the word. We also have 'the pill' among other birth control methods. But hey keep beating the 'dead horse' of anti-condom campaigns. You sound like those african 'leaders' who say condoms are for sinners and won't protect against HIV. Or better yet those physchos who take their daughters to 'abstinence balls' ::)
You sound like someone with no kids. ::) But keep on repeating the lie that teenaged boys will consistently use condoms if it makes you feel better. And the pill doesn't protect against STDs, just fyi.
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You sound like someone with no kids. ::) But keep on repeating the lie that teenaged boys will consistently use condoms if it makes you feel better. And the pill doesn't protect against STDs, just fyi.
Never said they would, but the pill is 99% effective for pregnancy in females. Give kids easy access to condoms and more education on condoms and you'll have more and more use of them. Keep pumping the 'they don't work' mantra, making it hard for them to get or making them have to hide them or demonizing schools who teach the proper use of them and you'll continue to have rising STI and pregnancy rates, and as such high rates of abortion.
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Never said they would, but the pill is 99% effective for pregnancy in females. Give kids easy access to condoms and more education on condoms and you'll have more and more use of them. Keep pumping the 'they don't work' mantra, making it hard for them to get or making them have to hide them or demonizing schools who teach the proper use of them and you'll continue to have rising STI and pregnancy rates, and as such high rates of abortion.
Kids already have easy access to condoms. They're given away in some schools. They're available over the counter in a plethora of stores. You can walk into any number of local clinics or abortion mills (aka Planned Parenthood) and get them. Millions have been--and continue to be--spent advertising them. But what it comes down to is sex with and without a condom is like night and day. There is no way any teenager whose hormones are going nuts will consistently use them. That's simply reality.
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Oh please, the stigma you just attached to planned parenthood shows exactly why kids don't go in there to get condoms. Nor do schools hand them out, they can provide access to them but they are still stigmatized by people just like you. It's the same argument that was made about prostitution in thailand and how giving them condoms wouldn't work because the men in the heat of the moment would refuse. What they found was quite the opposite actually and it reduced HIV rates massively. Educate and give access to condoms and IT DOES WORK at reducing pregnancy and STI infections. Unless you'll argue teens are somehow hornier than thais looking to get laid by a prostitute ::)
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Oh please, the stigma you just attached to planned parenthood shows exactly why kids don't go in there to get condoms. Nor do schools hand them out, they can provide access to them but they are still stigmatized by people just like you. It's the same argument that was made about prostitution in thailand and how giving them condoms wouldn't work because the men in the heat of the moment would refuse. What they found was quite the opposite actually and it reduced HIV rates massively. Educate and give access to condoms and IT DOES WORK at reducing pregnancy and STI infections. Unless you'll argue teens are somehow hornier than thais looking to get laid by a prostitute ::)
I'm to blame for kids not using condoms? lol. . . . ::) Absurd. If you can't see how prevalent condoms are in this society you are being willfully blind. They're everywhere. Access is not the problem. Awareness is not the problem. The problem is consistent use. Period. The promotion of condoms as some sort of pregnancy prevention is disingenuous and has simply not worked.
We're talking about teenaged boys and girls and pregnancy prevention, not adults having sex with prostitutes in Thailand. In case you haven't noticed, although men can be really stupid, there is a little difference between a teenaged boy and a man.
There is also the issue of what's best for kids. Kids shouldn't be having sex. They're not ready for the consequences. It's an adult activity with adult consequences.
And no, I don’t like the abortion mill Planned Parenthood. Despicable organization. Just pull up any number of the threads Colossus or I have created that shows the lengths that group will pursue to perform abortions, including covering up rape, encouraging girls to lie, etc. But that’s the subject for another thread.
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The only "safe sex" is sex between married couples. Condoms are an abject failure. Kids will not consistently use them. But that horse has been beaten to death on the board.
Used properly condoms are very effective.
Anyone, regardless of age, who cannot figure out how to use condoms or BCPs is too stupid to have kids anyways.
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Used properly condoms are very effective.
Anyone, regardless of age, who cannot figure out how to use condoms or BCPs is too stupid to have kids anyways.
Except that (consistent, proper use) doesn't happen and will never happen.
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Except that (consistent, proper use) doesn't happen and will never happen.
So no one should use them?!
Marriage ain't magic, FFS! It doesn't stop people from being stupid, cure cancer, magically imbue parenting skills, or automatically make sex safe. People are still whoever/whatever they were, just legally tied to someone else. Two people with Down's Syndrome can marry, pop out a bunch of kids and need additional services until the day they die! Having the capacity to marry and working genitals doesn't mean someone will be a great parent.
People should really question the motives of those who argue for control over reproductive rights based upon religious dogma.
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So no one should use them?!
Marriage ain't magic, FFS! It doesn't stop people from being stupid, cure cancer, magically imbue parenting skills, or automatically make sex safe. People are still whoever/whatever they were, just legally tied to someone else. Two people with Down's Syndrome can marry, pop out a bunch of kids and need additional services until the day they die! Having the capacity to marry and working genitals doesn't mean someone will be a great parent.
People should really question the motives of those who argue for control over reproductive rights based upon religious dogma.
Good post. What beach doesn't get is the 'condoms don't work' is a self fulfilling prophecy. The access and stigma around it is still there, just look at how he views planned parenthood. Perhaps less teens would get abortions if people like beach weren't so foolish as to believe condoms don't work. Maybe that's why we need better sex ed and less religious intervention in schools, maybe that's why teens should be given free condoms no questions asked, maybe that's why we still have this issue of teen pregnancy and STI rates because instead of progressing forward, we're going backwards against science and against common sense.
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Newmom started a war! I still say Forever 21 should sell 'em if they can. :)
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Newmom started a war! I still say Forever 21 should sell 'em if they can. :)
She's quite the rabble rouser.
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So no one should use them?!
Marriage ain't magic, FFS! It doesn't stop people from being stupid, cure cancer, magically imbue parenting skills, or automatically make sex safe. People are still whoever/whatever they were, just legally tied to someone else. Two people with Down's Syndrome can marry, pop out a bunch of kids and need additional services until the day they die! Having the capacity to marry and working genitals doesn't mean someone will be a great parent.
People should really question the motives of those who argue for control over reproductive rights based upon religious dogma.
I didn't say no one should use them. What I've said is teenaged boys will not consistently use them, so trying to promote them as some form of birth control and/or STD prevention is disingenuous.
Marriage isn't magic, but it's part of the foundation of our society. Marriage is where lots of great things can happen: a good relationship, kids, and the most fun of all – safe sex.
I never said getting married means someone will be a great parent. I didn't mention "reproductive rights" or religion. I assume you're just on your soap box, because you certainly are not responding to, or summarizing, anything I've said.
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I didn't say no one should use them. What I've said is teenaged boys will not consistently use them, so trying to promote them as some form of birth control and/or STD prevention is disingenuous.
Marriage isn't magic, but it's part of the foundation of our society. Marriage is where lots of great things can happen: a good relationship, kids, and the most fun of all – safe sex.
I never said getting married means someone will be a great parent. I didn't mention "reproductive rights" or religion. I assume you're just on your soap box, because you certainly are not responding to, or summarizing, anything I've said.
How can something this silly Except that (consistent, proper use) doesn't happen and will never happen.
be summarized?
I guess pretending any teen sex is a case of poor moral foundation or inability to adhere to parental guidance is better than saying "Proper condom use can reduce the risk of pregnancy and disease".
You wrote married sex was safer and there's no merit to that statement whatsoever. It simply can't even be argued.
Foundation of our society is more wishful thinking or longing for the good old days than some debatable fact. Certainly family is important but arguing the simple act of being married means people have a working, functional family unit is more or less confusing faith with fact. I can see wanting/needing to believe it's true, just not imposing it upon others through legislation.
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How can something this silly be summarized?
I guess pretending any teen sex is a case of poor moral foundation or inability to adhere to parental guidance is better than saying "Proper condom use can reduce the risk of pregnancy and disease".
You wrote married sex was safer and there's no merit to that statement whatsoever. It simply can't even be argued.
Foundation of our society is more wishful thinking or longing for the good old days than some debatable fact. Certainly family is important but arguing the simple act of being married means people have a working, functional family unit is more or less confusing faith with fact. I can see wanting/needing to believe it's true, just not imposing it upon others through legislation.
It's pretty easy to summarize or respond to a specific comment, rather than just making stuff up. :) My opinion on the failure of condoms has been repeatedly stated in this thread (and others). You disagree. That's fine.
No merit to safe sex within the confines of marriage? I don't need to argue this. It's a fact. Two people in a good marriage will only have sex with each other, which makes the chance of contracting an STD pretty close to zero.
You're completely distorting my comments. I didn't say marriage is a panacea. I said marriage is where a lot of good things can happen. Note the qualifier "can." In other words, not every marriage will be a good one. Not every spouse will be faithful. But the fact is marriage is one of the bedrocks of our society and the main reason our society continues to exist. It's where beautiful things CAN happen, including lots of great, safe sex.
You can’t make the same statement about kids having sex. It’s reckless. It’s dangerous. It’s something that shouldn’t happen.
We should absolutely should "impose" whatever is best from a policy standpoint on our society.
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It's pretty easy to summarize or respond to a specific comment, rather than just making stuff up. :) My opinion on the failure of condoms has been repeatedly stated in this thread (and others). You disagree. That's fine.
No merit to safe sex within the confines of marriage? I don't need to argue this. It's a fact. Two people in a good marriage will only have sex with each other, which makes the chance of contracting an STD pretty close to zero.
You're completely distorting my comments. I didn't say marriage is a panacea. I said marriage is where a lot of good things can happen. Note the qualifier "can." In other words, not every marriage will be a good one. Not every spouse will be faithful. But the fact is marriage is one of the bedrocks of our society and the main reason our society continues to exist. It's where beautiful things CAN happen, including lots of great, safe sex.
You can’t make the same statement about kids having sex. It’s reckless. It’s dangerous. It’s something that shouldn’t happen.
We should absolutely should "impose" whatever is best from a policy standpoint on our society.
I honestly think you may be tied with Toxy in the hopeless romantic/idealist department. :)
It might be a good idea for you to seek help or counseling with major life decisions. ;)
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I honestly think you may be tied with Toxy in the hopeless romantic/idealist department. :)
It might be a good idea for you to seek help or counseling with major life decisions. ;)
No, not at all. I'm a realist, not an idealist. Take your blinders off and quit plugging your ears. :)
I always seek help and counseling with major life decisions. It's part of the reason I often make good decisions. :)
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No, not at all. I'm a realist, not an idealist. Take your blinders off and quit plugging your ears. :)
I always seek help and counseling with major life decisions. It's part of the reason I often make good decisions. :)
It's a slow one ..... give it time. :)
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Teen pregnancy is a parenting problem and has nothing to do with clothing.
QFT
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Good post. What beach doesn't get is the 'condoms don't work' is a self fulfilling prophecy. The access and stigma around it is still there, just look at how he views planned parenthood. Perhaps less teens would get abortions if people like beach weren't so foolish as to believe condoms don't work. Maybe that's why we need better sex ed and less religious intervention in schools, maybe that's why teens should be given free condoms no questions asked, maybe that's why we still have this issue of teen pregnancy and STI rates because instead of progressing forward, we're going backwards against science and against common sense.
seriously? do you really think that teen pregnancy is caused because two kids have sex and no one told them about these things called condoms and that they wouldn't know how to use them even if they had some because they didn't have a class on using them? seriously? kids don't wear them because they suck. period. they usually start off wearing them. then they have sex without one. it sounds like you're saying that kids in this country don't have access to sex education. our public schools around here have sex education in middle school AND they talk about contraception. every kid knows what condoms are and how to use them. our public high schools give out condoms. kids are still getting pregnant every day. why. because they're kids and they are not intellectually mature enough nor emotionally mature enough to have a safe sexual relationship. what I will tell my son is that sex is for adults. If you want to do adult things. be ready to accept adult consequences. its people like you who ruin kids by making them devoid of any real responsibility. Why should these kids worry about pregnancy when they hear every day on their television set that it is OK to have an abortion. They are hearing over and over again that what they created is not a life. its just tissue. why should they feel any responsibilty towards a piece of tissue? I honestly feel bad for this generation. we have bunch of parents who are teaching them not to take responsibility for their actions and to villify anyone who thinks that they should. sad.
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When I was a teen I ALWAYS used a condom...I was more scared to get a chick pregnant when I was 17 then getting a STD! LOL No joke! Your logic doesn't float Beach...you'd be surprised at the response of teenagers if they had the proper education.
Now I disagree with KC because I don't think you should give out condoms to elementary kids.
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When I was a teen I ALWAYS used a condom...I was more scared to get a chick pregnant when I was 17 then getting a STD! LOL No joke! Your logic doesn't float Beach...you'd be surprised at the response of teenagers if they had the proper education.
Now I disagree with KC because I don't think you should give out condoms to elementary kids.
so did I. and i never had sex education. nor was ever taught in a classroom how to use a condom. i was scared shitless about having a baby. abortion was not an option to me. it just wasn't. i was always told that if i create a life i am responsible for that life. pretty crazy right?
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seriously? do you really think that teen pregnancy is caused because two kids have sex and no one told them about these things called condoms and that they wouldn't know how to use them even if they had some because they didn't have a class on using them? seriously? kids don't wear them because they suck. period. they usually start off wearing them. then they have sex without one. it sounds like you're saying that kids in this country don't have access to sex education. our public schools around here have sex education in middle school AND they talk about contraception. every kid knows what condoms are and how to use them. our public high schools give out condoms. kids are still getting pregnant every day. why. because they're kids and they are not intellectually mature enough nor emotionally mature enough to have a safe sexual relationship. what I will tell my son is that sex is for adults. If you want to do adult things. be ready to accept adult consequences. its people like you who ruin kids by making them devoid of any real responsibility. Why should these kids worry about pregnancy when they hear every day on their television set that it is OK to have an abortion. They are hearing over and over again that what they created is not a life. its just tissue. why should they feel any responsibilty towards a piece of tissue? I honestly feel bad for this generation. we have bunch of parents who are teaching them not to take responsibility for their actions and to villify anyone who thinks that they should. sad.
*APPLAUSE* Someone who gets it. :)
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When I was a teen I ALWAYS used a condom...I was more scared to get a chick pregnant when I was 17 then getting a STD! LOL No joke! Your logic doesn't float Beach...you'd be surprised at the response of teenagers if they had the proper education.
Now I disagree with KC because I don't think you should give out condoms to elementary kids.
If you always used a condom as a teen, I'd say you were the exception.
Here is a question I heard someone ask on the radio a long time ago: if you knew a person had HIV or AIDS (or any other serious STD like herpes) would you still have sex with them if you could use a condom?
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If you always used a condom as a teen, I'd say you were the exception.
Here is a question I heard someone ask on the radio a long time ago: if you knew a person had HIV or AIDS (or any other serious STD like herpes) would you still have sex with them if you could use a condom?
No, but it's not just about STDs; we're talking about teen pregnancy and the rate of it in our country.
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Newmom started a war! I still say Forever 21 should sell 'em if they can. :)
Oh crips
She's quite the rabble rouser.
et tu doc
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No, but it's not just about STDs; we're talking about teen pregnancy and the rate of it in our country.
Why not? If condoms will protect you from an STD, then what's to worry about?