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By JACQUES BILLEAUD and PAUL DAVENPORT, Associated Press Writers – Fri Jul 23, 7:59 am ET
PHOENIX – The judge who will decide whether Arizona's new immigration law is constitutional hasn't indicated whether she'll put the statute on hold before it takes effect next week and had some pointed questions Thursday for challengers at two court hearings.
U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton also went beyond dry legal analysis to point out some of the everyday realities of illegal immigration and how that applies to the new law.
Without prodding from attorneys, the judge noted that the federal government erected signs in a wilderness area south of Phoenix that warn visitors about immigrant and drug smugglers passing through public lands.
She said the stash houses where smugglers hide immigrants from Mexico before bringing them into the country's interior have become a fixture on the news in Arizona.
"You can barely go a day without a location being found in Phoenix where there are numerous people being harbored," said Bolton, who didn't issue a ruling after the two hearings.
Bolton has been asked to block the law from taking effect as she hears seven lawsuits by the U.S. Department of Justice, civil rights groups and others that question the constitutionality of the measure, which has reignited the national immigration debate.
Opponents say the law will lead to racial profiling and trample on the rights of the hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants in Arizona. Supporters say the law is a necessary response to combat the litany of problems brought on by illegal immigration and the federal government's inability to secure the border.
Bolton, an appointee of former President Bill Clinton, repeatedly questioned Justice Department attorney Edwin Kneedler to explain how specific provisions of the law intruded on federal authority as he had argued.
"Why can't Arizona be as inhospitable as they wish to people who have entered the United States illegally?" she asked.
Kneedler said the law's requirements that law enforcement check on people's immigration status set a mandatory policy that goes beyond what the federal government requires and would burden the federal agency that responds to immigration-status inquiries.
Attorney John Bouma, who is defending the law on behalf of Gov. Jan Brewer, said the federal government wants to keep its authority while turning a blind eye to illegal immigrants.
"You can't catch them if you don't know about them. They don't want to know about them," he said.
Outside of court, seven opponents of the law were arrested after they sat in the middle of a busy thoroughfare and unfurled a massive banner that said "We will not comply."
Some drivers honked their horns as they passed by, before police shut down the street. Some supporters of the law waved signs and clutched American flags, and about a half dozen had handguns hanging from their hips.
Brewer, who attended one of the two hearings, said afterward that she's confident the state will prevail, adding that Bolton "certainly understands the dangers that Arizonans face in regards to harboring illegals."
During one hearing, Bolton told lawyers for the American Civil Liberties Union that she is required to consider blocking only parts of the law, not the entire statute as they had requested.
ACLU attorney Omar Jadwat said the law's provisions are supposed to work together to achieve a goal of prodding illegal immigrants to leave the state, calling it unconstitutional and dangerous.
Most of the controversy about the law centers on provisions related to stops and arrests of people, new crimes related to illegal immigrants and a requirement that immigrants carry and produce their immigration papers.
Bouma told Bolton that those challenging the law haven't demonstrated that anyone would suffer actual harm if it takes effect, and that facts — not mere speculation — must be shown.
"In Arizona we have a tremendous Hispanic heritage. To think that everybody that's Hispanic is going to be stopped and questioned ... defies reality," Bouma said. "All this hypothetical that we're going to go out and
arrest everybody that's Hispanic, look around. That's impossible."
The law requires officers, while enforcing other laws, to check a person's immigration status if there's a reasonable suspicion that the person is here illegally. It also bans people from blocking traffic when they seek or offer day-labor services on streets and prohibits illegal immigrants from soliciting work in public places.
Since Brewer signed the measure into law in late April, it has inspired rallies in Arizona and elsewhere by advocates on both sides of the immigration debate. Some opponents have advocated a tourism boycott of Arizona.
It also led an unknown number of illegal immigrants to leave Arizona for other U.S. states or their home countries.
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Associated Press writers Jonathan J. Cooper and Amanda Lee Myers contributed to this report.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_immigration_arizona_lawsuits
Wonder how badly the Obama admin. will rage if this judge upholds the law (looking that way but who knows).
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You never know, but she raised some good points.
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I think the DOJ is going to lose big time on this.
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"To think that everybody that's Hispanic is going to be stopped and questioned ... defies reality," Bouma said. "All this hypothetical that we're going to go out and
arrest everybody that's Hispanic, look around. That's impossible."
For any of the liberal tards who don't get basic logic ^^^^^^^ :D
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For any of the liberal tards who don't get basic logic ^^^^^^^ :D
Loco and the other liberal jerk-offs will be here any minute now to tell us how American citizens should live with the risk of illegals kidnapping them and what not as, you know, they're second-class in this country. 8)
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Also, accusing Muslims of being involved in Islamic terrorism is racial profiling.
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Also, accusing Muslims of being involved in Islamic terrorism is racial profiling.
ditto for joos ;)
o no...gasp that just cant be ;D
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Loco and the other liberal jerk-offs will be here any minute now to tell us how American citizens should live with the risk of illegals kidnapping them and what not as, you know, they're second-class in this country. 8)
You forgot the murder and rape.
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Loco and the other liberal jerk-offs will be here any minute now to tell us how American citizens should live with the risk of illegals kidnapping them and what not as, you know, they're second-class in this country. 8)
LOL...I'm a liberal jerk-off? :)
Judge Napolitano is a "liberal jerk-off" too?
Judge Napolitano : This is East-Germany!
"Arizona Immigration Law Will Ruin Republicans" - Judge Napolitano
Judge Napolitano - 'Arizona Statute Is UnConstitutional'
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You forgot the murder and rape.
Silly me. It's hard to keep track of the litany of crimes American citizens are subjected to at the hands of illegal immigrant criminals. :D
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Mexico: Prison guards let killers out, lent guns[massacred 17 people and returned to cells]
MySA.com ^ | 07/25/2010
Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2010 8:09:26 PM by SwinneySwitch
MEXICO CITY -- Mexican prosecutors say guards at a prison let inmates out and lent them guns to massacre 17 people at a party, then allowed them to return to their cells.
Sunday's announcement from the federal attorney general's office represents a shocking revelation about the July 18 shooting in the northern city of Torreon, where the victims included women and children.
The director and two other officials at the prison in Durango state have been put under a form of house arrest while investigations continue.
Prosecution spokesman Ricardo Najera says there is evidence the director has given inmates permission to carry out drug-related killings in neighboring Coahuila state. He says the same method may have been used in two other shootings.
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Loco and the other liberal jerk-offs will be here any minute now to tell us how American citizens should live with the risk of illegals kidnapping them and what not as, you know, they're second-class in this country. 8)
Loco is not a liberal jerk-off. He and I disagree on this Arizona law, but he's one of the smartest and most reasonable posters on this board.
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Loco is not a liberal jerk-off. He and I disagree on this Arizona law, but he's one of the smartest and most reasonable posters on this board.
Thanks Beach Bum! I appreciate it, but the part that made me laugh is being called a "liberal." Before I expressed my concern about the Arizona immigration law, I was viewed as a right wing, neo-conservative jerk off by many on this and the religious board. :)
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Thanks Beach Bum! I appreciate it, but the part that made me laugh is being called a "liberal." Before I expressed my concern about the Arizona immigration law, I was viewed as a right wing, neo-conservative jerk off by many on this and the religious board. :)
No worries mang. When you have different people calling you liberal and conservative, you must be doing something right. :)
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No worries mang. When you have different people calling you liberal and conservative, you must be doing something right. :)
;D
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Loco is not a liberal jerkoff.
That would be grammatically and linguistically incorrect.
Liberal is a synonym for jerk off.
So I don't think Loco is a jerk off, jerk off.
But he is a liberal. ;D
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Loco is not a liberal jerkoff.
That would be grammatically and linguistically incorrect.
Liberal is a synonym for jerk off.
So I don't think Loco is a jerk off, jerk off.
But he is a liberal. ;D
I'm a right-wing, capitalist, neo-con, liberal, left-wing, evil commie. :)
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I'm a right-wing, capitalist, neo-con, liberal, left-wing, evil commie. :)
Loco is a good guy overall. This issue we disagree, but overall, I have no issues with him whatsoever.
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Loco is a good guy overall. This issue we disagree, but overall, I have no issues with him whatsoever.
Thanks, 333386! Glad there are people on this board who can disagree on certain issues and still remain civil. :)
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Oh yea? You think it's the employers fault illegals lie to them to get jobs?
Lets throw all the business people in jail if their workers lie to them and commit forgery!
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Oh yea? You think it's the employers fault illegals lie to them to get jobs?
Lets throw all the business people in jail if their workers lie to them and commit forgery!
Wrong thread, Hereford! :)
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Yeah loco is cool. :)
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Wrong thread, Hereford! :)
Dammit!!! lol.
My bad... sorry dude.
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Dammit!!! lol.
My bad... sorry dude.
No problem!
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Yeah loco is cool. :)
Thanks OzmO!
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Mexico: Prison guards let killers out, lent guns[massacred 17 people and returned to cells]
MySA.com ^ | 07/25/2010
Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2010 8:09:26 PM by SwinneySwitch
MEXICO CITY -- Mexican prosecutors say guards at a prison let inmates out and lent them guns to massacre 17 people at a party, then allowed them to return to their cells.
Sunday's announcement from the federal attorney general's office represents a shocking revelation about the July 18 shooting in the northern city of Torreon, where the victims included women and children.
The director and two other officials at the prison in Durango state have been put under a form of house arrest while investigations continue.
Prosecution spokesman Ricardo Najera says there is evidence the director has given inmates permission to carry out drug-related killings in neighboring Coahuila state. He says the same method may have been used in two other shootings.
This took place in MEX City.
What does this have to do with Arizona or USA?
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Loco is not a liberal jerk-off. He and I disagree on this Arizona law, but he's one of the smartest and most reasonable posters on this board.
I agree but he is wrong on his stance of how to deal with the illegal immigrant problem and the arizona law...other than that i have never seen loco take a liberal stance