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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: GroinkTropin on July 24, 2010, 07:58:27 PM
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If I remember a few studies have been copied on this forum that show it does not, at least not in moderate dosing. Please someone paste up. This is for a concerned friend. Gracias.
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acutely.........i.e. during the time its in you system it does
not permanently
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Any type of stimulent will raise your BP levels..
Remove stim and BP will lower to where it was before hand.
BP is rising and normalising all the time , constant raised BP levels are where problems "could" arise.
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I guess more specifically the ECA stack does not? Or perhaps after your body gets a couple weeks to normalize then it doesn't? Someone here had some good studies showing it's eficacy.
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No the ECA would probably raise it more bc caffine is also a stim. and the asperin helps the two penetrate you blood more efficiently
but after being on it for a couple week, you body will start to get used to it and your BP will not spike up as much........nor will it work as good
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my contribution to this thread is that the best ephedrine (imho) comes from Bronkaid
I just don't want fellow GB'ers to be stuck with "bunk" ephedrine from some shitty lab
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my contribution to this thread is that the best ephedrine (imho) comes from Bronkaid
I just don't want fellow GB'ers to be stuck with "bunk" ephedrine from some shitty lab
You are wrong. I switched to primatene tabs. Two tabls you get a full 25mgs ephedrine HCL (not the crappy sulfate) and the same dose of guafesin. Make the switch HCL seems to work better for fat burning.
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You are wrong. I switched to primatene tabs. Two tabls you get a full 25mgs ephedrine HCL (not the crappy sulfate) and the same dose of guafesin. Make the switch HCL seems to work better for fat burning.
see, i'm kind of obsessive compulsive about certain things so I prefer my 25mgs to come from one tab rather than two (even if the potency is better from 2 12.5 tabs)
i know it sounds odd but it is a idiosyncrasy of mine, that's all
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with all due respect to bronkaid
"stimerex" high tech pharmaceuticals is the fucking shit
its the only one i tried thats like the old hydroxycut or zenadrine or yellow swarm
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What about guafesin? what kind of negative side effects from this?
i hear its good for treating gout :D :D
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see, i'm kind of obsessive compulsive about certain things so I prefer my 25mgs to come from one tab rather than two (even if the potency is better from 2 12.5 tabs)
i know it sounds odd but it is a idiosyncrasy of mine, that's all
You do realize you need 1 1/2 bronkaid to get 25mgs of ephedrine right? Sulfate is much lighter than HCL. All past studies were done on eph HCL at a dose of 25mgs, 1 bronkaid equals about 19.5 mgs of ephedrine by weight. Also the fat loss effects are better with HCL but that's just my personal opinion. I don't get shit for fat loss from bronkaid. Anorectic effects yes but it's a shitty fat burner. Try the switch to primatine you won't be disappointed.
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Ephedra kicks all kind of ass, all fatties should be mandated to take it.
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I've used every kind of ephedrine and personally nothing holds a candle to just plain old ephedrine HCL. Will bronkaid work yes, but ephedrine without guaifenesin is much more potent.
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You do realize you need 1 1/2 bronkaid to get 25mgs of ephedrine right? Sulfate is much lighter than HCL. All past studies were done on eph HCL at a dose of 25mgs, 1 bronkaid equals about 19.5 mgs of ephedrine by weight. Also the fat loss effects are better with HCL but that's just my personal opinion. I don't get shit for fat loss from bronkaid. Anorectic effects yes but it's a shitty fat burner. Try the switch to primatine you won't be disappointed.
THANKS, good looking out. I made the switch.
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Why not just go for it with some meth and/or coke?
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Why not just go for it with some meth and/or coke?
delete your account
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delete your account
Don't ever speak to me directly again......3rd tier poster.....
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YOU ARE GOING TO MOTHERFUCKING DIE PLAYING WITH THAT SHIT.
GET THOSE MOTHERFUCKING SNAKES OFF THIS MOTHERFUCKING PLANE!!!!!
(http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/snakes-on-a-plane-51.jpg)
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my contribution to this thread is that the best ephedrine (imho) comes from Bronkaid
I just don't want fellow GB'ers to be stuck with "bunk" ephedrine from some shitty lab
ANY ephedrine with Guaifenesin Expectorant is SHIT
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ephedrine stack is the only bb drug ive ever done.
well ok i take 20mg of furosemide a day for pad
i would use 25mg x 4 a day 1 week
50,75,100 x 4 a day per week.
since they fucked it up and u can't get clean stuff anymore
taking this much (a natural needs this much imho) with a dose
of expectorant in each tab would be well gross. no thanks
haven't looked at primatine. good tips for our fellow drug free bb's
lol ahem
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Don't ever speak to me directly again......3rd tier poster.....
lol
you a joke. I been here YEARS before you..
You a random, garden variety poster - devoid of a real life.
again. Delete your account......
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lol
you a joke. I been here YEARS before you..
You a random, garden variety poster - devoid of a real life.
again. Delete your account......
So what? The horse and wagon has been around longer than a Ferrari.....which is actually a good comparison of me and you..... you are old, tired and the past.....I am the present and the future.... ;D ;)
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with all due respect to bronkaid
"stimerex" high tech pharmaceuticals is the fucking shit
its the only one i tried thats like the old hydroxycut or zenadrine or yellow swarm
is this the product you speak of?
(http://tkonutrition.com/store/images/stimerex_90.jpg)
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THANKS, good looking out. I made the switch.
Good shit. Works for me, though I had to cycle off and hit Yo HCL to breakdown some stubborn areas. Will be going back on in a few days.
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This is what you need, this is the good stuff ;)
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is this the product you speak of?
(http://tkonutrition.com/store/images/stimerex_90.jpg)
It got good reviews on Bulk Nutrition
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This is what you need, this is the good stuff ;)
can i make pancakes and brownies out of this ephedra powder?
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can i make pancakes and brownies out of this ephedra powder?
You can mix it with wax and form it into suppositories.
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This is what you need, this is the good stuff ;)
THIS!!!^^^^
.....is what I wish that I could order. However, I'm unsure if it's still on our banned substance list. Some guys got counseled for elevated caffeine levels after piss test results returned. Can you imagine what they'd do to me if they found a kilo of raw ephedrine powder in my closet during a "probable cause" room search? :-\
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my contribution to this thread is that the best ephedrine (imho) comes from Bronkaid
I just don't want fellow GB'ers to be stuck with "bunk" ephedrine from some shitty lab
By coincidence I was reading that ephedrine sulfate, in Bronkaid, is not nearly as effective as the HCI version. And the addition of that other compound, Gluifenesin, or something like that hinders the effects as well. I'll try to see if I can find it because it had some interesting info. I just skimmed the discussion and didn't read it closely because you know me, I'm all about bulking and extreme massiveness.
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BTW, I also read on that same discussion and looked it up on I think Drugrx.com that ephredrine constricts blood vessels. Why would that be good while you are training, err... I mean, working out? Wouldn't you want your blood vessels to dilate and have more unrestricted blood flow? Constrictive blood vessels would seem to hinder athletic performance.
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You do realize you need 1 1/2 bronkaid to get 25mgs of ephedrine right? Sulfate is much lighter than HCL. All past studies were done on eph HCL at a dose of 25mgs, 1 bronkaid equals about 19.5 mgs of ephedrine by weight. Also the fat loss effects are better with HCL but that's just my personal opinion. I don't get shit for fat loss from bronkaid. Anorectic effects yes but it's a shitty fat burner. Try the switch to primatine you won't be disappointed.
Isn't Primatine much more expensive and you can almost double the dose of Bronkaid and it will still be cheaper? But from wha I read the sulfate version, no matter how much you take, is not nearly as effective as the HCI. BTW, do you have a site for the pills? I thought they only had the mist version.
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ANY ephedrine with Guaifenesin Expectorant is SHIT
That's seems to be the case by everything I read. The question is why?
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So what? The horse and wagon has been around longer than a Ferrari.....which is actually a good comparison of me and you..... you are old, tired and the past.....I am the present and the future.... ;D ;)
LMAO!
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Where did everybody go? Everywhere I go now people avoid me. It's like they got a hold of that video I made of me humping a blow up doll of Lady Gaga, dressed as a clown, covered in pig's blood, under a burning cross, chanting Krishna phrases, while surrounded by aborted fetuses.
I was just experimenting and finding myself. It was just a one time thing for chrissakes! People are so goddamn judgmental.
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This is what you need, this is the good stuff ;)
Please tell me where you ordered that. PM if necessary.
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Where did everybody go? Everywhere I go now people avoid me. It's like they got a hold of that video I made of me humping a blow up doll of Lady Gaga, dressed as a clown, covered in pig's blood, under a burning cross, chanting Krishna phrases, while surrounded by aborted fetuses.
I was just experimenting and finding myself. It was just a one time thing for chrissakes! People are so goddamn judgmental.
They were just jealous that you hit it, pellius...
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Ephedra kicks all kind of ass, all fatties should be mandated to take it.
THIS
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Please tell me where you ordered that. PM if necessary.
Google, plus the name of the company is in the picture friend. :D
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delete your account
He's right. Coke/speed elevates your metabolism about 10x more than ephedrine
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is this the product you speak of?
(http://tkonutrition.com/store/images/stimerex_90.jpg)
bro, seriously......that shit is awesome...i have taken that stuff for a long time.....besides protein, and creatine its the only workout supplement i buy...
bench
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He's right. Coke/speed elevates your metabolism about 10x more than ephedrine
List me.
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bro, seriously......that shit is awesome...i have taken that stuff for a long time.....besides protein, and creatine its the only workout supplement i buy...
bench
I thought ephedra was banned in dietary supps?
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I thought ephedra was banned in dietary supps?
me too. I see it for sale online. I wonder what happened that they are now selling again. Great news.
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Why would the expectorant hinder the fat loss effects? Just curious.
Also, is there any way to isolate the eph hcl from the expectorant? Anybody know?
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me too. I see it for sale online. I wonder what happened that they are now selling again. Great news.
The one I saw on Amazon didn't have ephedrine and the reviews were negative.
Used to be good, now just a waste of $$$
I used Stimerex ES when they still manufactured it with Ephedra. It had to have been one of the greatest, if not the best, dietary supplements I ever used. I refused to use anything else. Now they took the ephedra out because of these ridiculous FDA regulations. This non-ephedra version is terrible. It doesn't work half as well without it. The ephedra version gave you a...
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Why would the expectorant hinder the fat loss effects? Just curious.
Also, is there any way to isolate the eph hcl from the expectorant? Anybody know?
I also read that on another board and I'd also like to know why.
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Why would the expectorant hinder the fat loss effects? Just curious.
Also, is there any way to isolate the eph hcl from the expectorant? Anybody know?
Yes, purchase straight eph hcl ::)
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Google, plus the name of the company is in the picture friend. :D
lol..classic..but how you would how much you are taking, how is contained is 1tbsp? a 1lb bag is $22..,,
"Ephedra Herb and Powder Profile
Also known as
Ephedra sinica and sinensis, Ma Huang, and Chinese Ephedra.
Introduction
Ephedra herb is one of the fundamentals of traditional Chinese medicine and modern herbal medicine for the treatment of respiratory disorders. It has been used for at least 5000 years in China and Central Asia to treat bronchial complaints, cold and flu, fever, chills, headaches, and aching joints and bones. As a whole herb, the tops of the plant serve as an antidote for excessive consumption of the root, and treat a wide range of respiratory conditions. It is the subject of a German E Commission monograph for treatment of the respiratory system and mild bronchial spasms. NOT TO BE USED AS A STIMULANT!
Constituents
Ephedrine, pseudopephedrine.
Parts Used
The stems
Typical Preparations
Usually teas, but for convenience it may be taken as a capsule or extract.
Summary
The traditional use of ephedra is to stop "leakages" caused by lack of energy and vigor. It stops sweating at night, fluid buildup in the lung, and weak pulse causing "dribbles" of arterial circulation. All of these effects are helpful in colds, flu, and asthma. Most members of this genus contain various medicinally active alkaloids (but notably ephedrine) and they are widely used in preparations for the treatment of asthma and catarrh. The stems are a pungent, bitter, warm herb that dilates the bronchial vessels whilst stimulating the heart and central nervous system. The stems are also antidote, diaphoretic, diuretic, pectoral, vasoconstrictor and vasodilator, and they are used internally in the treatment of asthma, hay fever and allergic complaints.
Precautions
Typically used in herbal combinations, under the supervisions of someone qualified to use this substance. Not to be used as a stimulant, and its long term use is not recommended. Special Warning: SEEK ADVICE FROM HEALTH PRACTITIONER PRIOR TO USE IF PREGNANT, NURSING, HAVE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, HEART OR THYROID DISEASE, DIABETES, DIFFICULTY IN URINATION DUE TO PROSTATE ENLARGEMENT, OR IF TAKING MAO INHIBITOR OR OTHER PRESCRIPTION DRUG. REDUCE/DISCONTINUE USE IF NERVOUSNESS, TREMOR, SLEEPLESSNESS, LOSS OF APPETITE OR NAUSEA OCCUR. DO NOT EXCEED RECOMMENDED DOSE. KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN:
For educational purposes only This information has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.
This information is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
Return to Ephedra Herb and Powder"
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lol..classic..but how you would how much you are taking, how is contained is 1tbsp? a 1lb bag is $22..,,
"Ephedra Herb and Powder Profile
Also known as
Ephedra sinica and sinensis, Ma Huang, and Chinese Ephedra.
Introduction
Ephedra herb is one of the fundamentals of traditional Chinese medicine and modern herbal medicine for the treatment of respiratory disorders. It has been used for at least 5000 years in China and Central Asia to treat bronchial complaints, cold and flu, fever, chills, headaches, and aching joints and bones. As a whole herb, the tops of the plant serve as an antidote for excessive consumption of the root, and treat a wide range of respiratory conditions. It is the subject of a German E Commission monograph for treatment of the respiratory system and mild bronchial spasms. NOT TO BE USED AS A STIMULANT!
Constituents
Ephedrine, pseudopephedrine.
Parts Used
The stems
Typical Preparations
Usually teas, but for convenience it may be taken as a capsule or extract.
Summary
The traditional use of ephedra is to stop "leakages" caused by lack of energy and vigor. It stops sweating at night, fluid buildup in the lung, and weak pulse causing "dribbles" of arterial circulation. All of these effects are helpful in colds, flu, and asthma. Most members of this genus contain various medicinally active alkaloids (but notably ephedrine) and they are widely used in preparations for the treatment of asthma and catarrh. The stems are a pungent, bitter, warm herb that dilates the bronchial vessels whilst stimulating the heart and central nervous system. The stems are also antidote, diaphoretic, diuretic, pectoral, vasoconstrictor and vasodilator, and they are used internally in the treatment of asthma, hay fever and allergic complaints.
Precautions
Typically used in herbal combinations, under the supervisions of someone qualified to use this substance. Not to be used as a stimulant, and its long term use is not recommended. Special Warning: SEEK ADVICE FROM HEALTH PRACTITIONER PRIOR TO USE IF PREGNANT, NURSING, HAVE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, HEART OR THYROID DISEASE, DIABETES, DIFFICULTY IN URINATION DUE TO PROSTATE ENLARGEMENT, OR IF TAKING MAO INHIBITOR OR OTHER PRESCRIPTION DRUG. REDUCE/DISCONTINUE USE IF NERVOUSNESS, TREMOR, SLEEPLESSNESS, LOSS OF APPETITE OR NAUSEA OCCUR. DO NOT EXCEED RECOMMENDED DOSE. KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN:
For educational purposes only This information has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.
This information is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
Return to Ephedra Herb and Powder"
Yep, thats the main problem, how to dose. I just consider 1 teaspoon at 5 grams, so started with 1/8 teaspoon and working up to be safe
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Yes