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Title: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: GroinkTropin on July 24, 2010, 07:58:27 PM
If I remember a few studies have been copied on this forum that show it does not, at least not in moderate dosing. Please someone paste up. This is for a concerned friend. Gracias.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on July 24, 2010, 07:59:25 PM
acutely.........i.e. during the time its in you system it does


not permanently 
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: WillGrant on July 24, 2010, 08:02:10 PM
Any type of stimulent will raise your BP levels..

Remove stim and BP will lower to where it was before hand.


BP is rising and normalising all the time , constant raised BP levels are where problems "could" arise.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: GroinkTropin on July 24, 2010, 08:03:27 PM
I guess more specifically the ECA stack does not? Or perhaps after your body gets a couple weeks to normalize then it doesn't? Someone here had some good studies showing it's eficacy.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on July 24, 2010, 08:08:20 PM
No the ECA would probably raise it more bc caffine is also a stim. and the asperin helps the two penetrate you blood more efficiently



but after being on it for a couple week, you body will start to get used to it and your BP will not spike up as much........nor will it work as good
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: johnnynoname on July 24, 2010, 08:30:26 PM
my contribution to this thread is that the best ephedrine (imho) comes from Bronkaid

I just don't want fellow GB'ers to be stuck with "bunk" ephedrine from some shitty lab
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: GroinkTropin on July 24, 2010, 08:37:45 PM
my contribution to this thread is that the best ephedrine (imho) comes from Bronkaid

I just don't want fellow GB'ers to be stuck with "bunk" ephedrine from some shitty lab

You are wrong. I switched to primatene tabs. Two tabls you get a full 25mgs ephedrine HCL (not the crappy sulfate) and the same dose of guafesin. Make the switch HCL seems to work better for fat burning.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: johnnynoname on July 24, 2010, 08:51:59 PM
You are wrong. I switched to primatene tabs. Two tabls you get a full 25mgs ephedrine HCL (not the crappy sulfate) and the same dose of guafesin. Make the switch HCL seems to work better for fat burning.

see, i'm kind of obsessive compulsive about certain things so I prefer my 25mgs to come from one tab rather than two (even if the potency is better from 2 12.5 tabs)

i know it sounds odd but it is a idiosyncrasy of mine, that's all
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on July 24, 2010, 08:54:53 PM
with all due respect to bronkaid



"stimerex" high tech pharmaceuticals is the fucking shit

its the only one i tried thats like the old hydroxycut or zenadrine or yellow swarm
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: ~UN_$ung~ on July 24, 2010, 09:00:42 PM
What about guafesin?  what kind of negative side effects from this?

i hear its good for treating gout :D :D
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: GroinkTropin on July 25, 2010, 12:14:36 AM
see, i'm kind of obsessive compulsive about certain things so I prefer my 25mgs to come from one tab rather than two (even if the potency is better from 2 12.5 tabs)

i know it sounds odd but it is a idiosyncrasy of mine, that's all

You do realize you need 1 1/2 bronkaid to get 25mgs of ephedrine right? Sulfate is much lighter than HCL. All past studies were done on eph HCL at a dose of 25mgs, 1 bronkaid equals about 19.5 mgs of ephedrine by weight. Also the fat loss effects are better with HCL but that's just my personal opinion. I don't get shit for fat loss from bronkaid. Anorectic effects yes but it's a shitty fat burner. Try the switch to primatine you won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: LatsMcGee on July 25, 2010, 12:27:01 AM
Ephedra kicks all kind of ass,  all fatties should be mandated to take it. 
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: claymore on July 25, 2010, 12:32:58 AM
I've used every kind of ephedrine and personally nothing holds a candle to just plain old ephedrine HCL. Will bronkaid work yes, but ephedrine without guaifenesin  is much more potent.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: Bigblackstallion on September 03, 2010, 10:25:18 AM
You do realize you need 1 1/2 bronkaid to get 25mgs of ephedrine right? Sulfate is much lighter than HCL. All past studies were done on eph HCL at a dose of 25mgs, 1 bronkaid equals about 19.5 mgs of ephedrine by weight. Also the fat loss effects are better with HCL but that's just my personal opinion. I don't get shit for fat loss from bronkaid. Anorectic effects yes but it's a shitty fat burner. Try the switch to primatine you won't be disappointed.

THANKS, good looking out.  I made the switch.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 03, 2010, 10:28:23 AM
Why not just go for it with some meth and/or coke?
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: Bigblackstallion on September 03, 2010, 10:30:01 AM
Why not just go for it with some meth and/or coke?

delete your account
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 03, 2010, 10:33:37 AM
delete your account

Don't ever speak to me directly again......3rd tier poster.....
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on September 03, 2010, 10:33:40 AM
YOU ARE GOING TO MOTHERFUCKING DIE PLAYING WITH THAT SHIT.

GET THOSE MOTHERFUCKING SNAKES OFF THIS MOTHERFUCKING PLANE!!!!!



(http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/snakes-on-a-plane-51.jpg)

Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: CT_Muscle on September 03, 2010, 10:36:38 AM
my contribution to this thread is that the best ephedrine (imho) comes from Bronkaid

I just don't want fellow GB'ers to be stuck with "bunk" ephedrine from some shitty lab

ANY ephedrine with Guaifenesin Expectorant is SHIT
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: buffdnet on September 03, 2010, 10:38:39 AM
ephedrine stack is the only bb drug ive ever done.
well ok i take 20mg of furosemide a day for pad
i would use 25mg x 4 a day 1 week
50,75,100 x 4 a day per week.

since they fucked it up and u can't get clean stuff anymore
taking this much (a natural needs this much imho) with a dose
of expectorant in each tab would be well gross. no thanks

haven't looked at primatine. good tips for our fellow drug free bb's
lol ahem
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: Bigblackstallion on September 03, 2010, 10:47:48 AM
Don't ever speak to me directly again......3rd tier poster.....

lol

you a joke.  I been here YEARS before you..

You a random, garden variety poster - devoid of a real life.

again. Delete your account......
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 03, 2010, 10:53:39 AM
lol

you a joke.  I been here YEARS before you..

You a random, garden variety poster - devoid of a real life.

again. Delete your account......

So what?  The horse and wagon has been around longer than a Ferrari.....which is actually a good comparison of me and you.....  you are old, tired and the past.....I am the present and the future.... ;D  ;)
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: Nails on September 03, 2010, 10:54:10 AM
with all due respect to bronkaid



"stimerex" high tech pharmaceuticals is the fucking shit

its the only one i tried thats like the old hydroxycut or zenadrine or yellow swarm

is this the product you speak of?

(http://tkonutrition.com/store/images/stimerex_90.jpg)
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: GroinkTropin on September 03, 2010, 11:51:59 AM
THANKS, good looking out.  I made the switch.

Good shit. Works for me, though I had to cycle off and hit Yo HCL to breakdown some stubborn areas. Will be going back on in a few days.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: thelamefalsehood on September 03, 2010, 01:06:10 PM
This is what you need, this is the good stuff ;)
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: Master Blaster on September 03, 2010, 01:18:03 PM
is this the product you speak of?

(http://tkonutrition.com/store/images/stimerex_90.jpg)

It got good reviews on Bulk Nutrition
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: Nails on September 03, 2010, 01:22:34 PM
This is what you need, this is the good stuff ;)

can i make pancakes and brownies out of this ephedra powder?
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: Master Blaster on September 03, 2010, 01:24:46 PM
can i make pancakes and brownies out of this ephedra powder?

You can mix it with wax and form it into suppositories.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: Trapper_Slapper on September 03, 2010, 01:25:29 PM
This is what you need, this is the good stuff ;)
THIS!!!^^^^






.....is what I wish that I could order. However, I'm unsure if it's still on our banned substance list. Some guys got counseled for elevated caffeine levels after piss test results returned. Can you imagine what they'd do to me if they found a kilo of raw ephedrine powder in my closet during a "probable cause" room search?  :-\
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: pellius on September 03, 2010, 01:28:36 PM
my contribution to this thread is that the best ephedrine (imho) comes from Bronkaid

I just don't want fellow GB'ers to be stuck with "bunk" ephedrine from some shitty lab

By coincidence I was reading that ephedrine sulfate, in Bronkaid, is not nearly as effective as the HCI version. And the addition of that other compound, Gluifenesin, or something like that hinders the effects as well. I'll try to see if I can find it because it had some interesting info. I just skimmed the discussion and didn't read it closely because you know me, I'm all about bulking and extreme massiveness.

Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: pellius on September 03, 2010, 01:31:56 PM
BTW, I also read on that same discussion and looked it up on I think Drugrx.com that ephredrine constricts blood vessels. Why would that be good while you are training, err... I mean, working out? Wouldn't you want your blood vessels to dilate and have more unrestricted blood flow? Constrictive blood vessels would seem to hinder athletic performance.

 
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: pellius on September 03, 2010, 01:36:25 PM
You do realize you need 1 1/2 bronkaid to get 25mgs of ephedrine right? Sulfate is much lighter than HCL. All past studies were done on eph HCL at a dose of 25mgs, 1 bronkaid equals about 19.5 mgs of ephedrine by weight. Also the fat loss effects are better with HCL but that's just my personal opinion. I don't get shit for fat loss from bronkaid. Anorectic effects yes but it's a shitty fat burner. Try the switch to primatine you won't be disappointed.

Isn't Primatine much more expensive and you can almost double the dose of Bronkaid and it will still be cheaper? But from wha I read the sulfate version, no matter how much you take, is not nearly as effective as the HCI. BTW, do you have a site for the pills? I thought they only had the mist version.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: pellius on September 03, 2010, 01:37:44 PM
ANY ephedrine with Guaifenesin Expectorant is SHIT

That's seems to be the case by everything I read. The question is why?
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: pellius on September 03, 2010, 01:39:14 PM
So what?  The horse and wagon has been around longer than a Ferrari.....which is actually a good comparison of me and you.....  you are old, tired and the past.....I am the present and the future.... ;D  ;)

LMAO!
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: pellius on September 03, 2010, 01:48:50 PM
Where did everybody go? Everywhere I go now people avoid me. It's like they got a hold of that video I made of me humping a blow up doll of Lady Gaga, dressed as a clown, covered in pig's blood, under a burning cross, chanting Krishna phrases, while surrounded by aborted fetuses. 

I was just experimenting and finding myself. It was just a one time thing for chrissakes! People are so goddamn judgmental.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: hangclean on September 03, 2010, 01:56:12 PM
This is what you need, this is the good stuff ;)
Please tell me where you ordered that.  PM if necessary.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 03, 2010, 02:00:29 PM
Where did everybody go? Everywhere I go now people avoid me. It's like they got a hold of that video I made of me humping a blow up doll of Lady Gaga, dressed as a clown, covered in pig's blood, under a burning cross, chanting Krishna phrases, while surrounded by aborted fetuses. 

I was just experimenting and finding myself. It was just a one time thing for chrissakes! People are so goddamn judgmental.

They were just jealous that you hit it, pellius...
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 03, 2010, 03:51:03 PM
Ephedra kicks all kind of ass,  all fatties should be mandated to take it. 

THIS
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: thelamefalsehood on September 03, 2010, 06:20:22 PM
Please tell me where you ordered that.  PM if necessary.


Google, plus the name of the company is in the picture friend. :D
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: Flexb on September 03, 2010, 07:22:29 PM
delete your account

He's right. Coke/speed elevates your metabolism about 10x more than ephedrine
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: benchmstr on September 03, 2010, 07:48:45 PM
is this the product you speak of?

(http://tkonutrition.com/store/images/stimerex_90.jpg)
bro, seriously......that shit is awesome...i have taken that stuff for a long time.....besides protein, and creatine its the only workout supplement i buy...

bench
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: pellius on September 03, 2010, 08:04:19 PM
He's right. Coke/speed elevates your metabolism about 10x more than ephedrine

List me.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: pellius on September 03, 2010, 08:09:18 PM
bro, seriously......that shit is awesome...i have taken that stuff for a long time.....besides protein, and creatine its the only workout supplement i buy...

bench

I thought ephedra was banned in dietary supps?
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: outby43 on September 03, 2010, 09:03:19 PM
I thought ephedra was banned in dietary supps?

me too.  I see it for sale online.  I wonder what happened that they are now selling again.  Great news.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: titusisback on September 03, 2010, 09:16:40 PM
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Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: GroinkTropin on September 03, 2010, 09:29:09 PM
Why would the expectorant hinder the fat loss effects? Just curious.

Also, is there any way to isolate the eph hcl from the expectorant? Anybody know?
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: pellius on September 03, 2010, 09:44:18 PM
me too.  I see it for sale online.  I wonder what happened that they are now selling again.  Great news.

The one I saw on Amazon didn't have ephedrine and the reviews were negative.

 Used to be good, now just a waste of $$$
I used Stimerex ES when they still manufactured it with Ephedra. It had to have been one of the greatest, if not the best, dietary supplements I ever used. I refused to use anything else. Now they took the ephedra out because of these ridiculous FDA regulations. This non-ephedra version is terrible. It doesn't work half as well without it. The ephedra version gave you a...
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: pellius on September 03, 2010, 09:45:36 PM
Why would the expectorant hinder the fat loss effects? Just curious.

Also, is there any way to isolate the eph hcl from the expectorant? Anybody know?

I also read that on another board and I'd also like to know why.
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: CT_Muscle on September 03, 2010, 09:48:01 PM
Why would the expectorant hinder the fat loss effects? Just curious.

Also, is there any way to isolate the eph hcl from the expectorant? Anybody know?

Yes, purchase straight eph hcl  ::)
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: Red Hook on September 04, 2010, 02:15:16 AM

Google, plus the name of the company is in the picture friend. :D

lol..classic..but how you would how much you are taking, how is contained is 1tbsp?  a 1lb bag is $22..,,


"Ephedra Herb and Powder Profile
Also known as
Ephedra sinica and sinensis, Ma Huang, and Chinese Ephedra.

Introduction
Ephedra herb is one of the fundamentals of traditional Chinese medicine and modern herbal medicine for the treatment of respiratory disorders. It has been used for at least 5000 years in China and Central Asia to treat bronchial complaints, cold and flu, fever, chills, headaches, and aching joints and bones. As a whole herb, the tops of the plant serve as an antidote for excessive consumption of the root, and treat a wide range of respiratory conditions. It is the subject of a German E Commission monograph for treatment of the respiratory system and mild bronchial spasms. NOT TO BE USED AS A STIMULANT!

Constituents
Ephedrine, pseudopephedrine.

Parts Used
The stems

Typical Preparations
Usually teas, but for convenience it may be taken as a capsule or extract.

Summary
The traditional use of ephedra is to stop "leakages" caused by lack of energy and vigor. It stops sweating at night, fluid buildup in the lung, and weak pulse causing "dribbles" of arterial circulation. All of these effects are helpful in colds, flu, and asthma. Most members of this genus contain various medicinally active alkaloids (but notably ephedrine) and they are widely used in preparations for the treatment of asthma and catarrh. The stems are a pungent, bitter, warm herb that dilates the bronchial vessels whilst stimulating the heart and central nervous system. The stems are also antidote, diaphoretic, diuretic, pectoral, vasoconstrictor and vasodilator, and they are used internally in the treatment of asthma, hay fever and allergic complaints.

Precautions
Typically used in herbal combinations, under the supervisions of someone qualified to use this substance. Not to be used as a stimulant, and its long term use is not recommended. Special Warning: SEEK ADVICE FROM HEALTH PRACTITIONER PRIOR TO USE IF PREGNANT, NURSING, HAVE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, HEART OR THYROID DISEASE, DIABETES, DIFFICULTY IN URINATION DUE TO PROSTATE ENLARGEMENT, OR IF TAKING MAO INHIBITOR OR OTHER PRESCRIPTION DRUG. REDUCE/DISCONTINUE USE IF NERVOUSNESS, TREMOR, SLEEPLESSNESS, LOSS OF APPETITE OR NAUSEA OCCUR. DO NOT EXCEED RECOMMENDED DOSE. KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN:

For educational purposes only This information has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.
This information is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
Return to Ephedra Herb and Powder"
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: thelamefalsehood on September 04, 2010, 05:44:33 PM
lol..classic..but how you would how much you are taking, how is contained is 1tbsp?  a 1lb bag is $22..,,


"Ephedra Herb and Powder Profile
Also known as
Ephedra sinica and sinensis, Ma Huang, and Chinese Ephedra.

Introduction
Ephedra herb is one of the fundamentals of traditional Chinese medicine and modern herbal medicine for the treatment of respiratory disorders. It has been used for at least 5000 years in China and Central Asia to treat bronchial complaints, cold and flu, fever, chills, headaches, and aching joints and bones. As a whole herb, the tops of the plant serve as an antidote for excessive consumption of the root, and treat a wide range of respiratory conditions. It is the subject of a German E Commission monograph for treatment of the respiratory system and mild bronchial spasms. NOT TO BE USED AS A STIMULANT!

Constituents
Ephedrine, pseudopephedrine.

Parts Used
The stems

Typical Preparations
Usually teas, but for convenience it may be taken as a capsule or extract.

Summary
The traditional use of ephedra is to stop "leakages" caused by lack of energy and vigor. It stops sweating at night, fluid buildup in the lung, and weak pulse causing "dribbles" of arterial circulation. All of these effects are helpful in colds, flu, and asthma. Most members of this genus contain various medicinally active alkaloids (but notably ephedrine) and they are widely used in preparations for the treatment of asthma and catarrh. The stems are a pungent, bitter, warm herb that dilates the bronchial vessels whilst stimulating the heart and central nervous system. The stems are also antidote, diaphoretic, diuretic, pectoral, vasoconstrictor and vasodilator, and they are used internally in the treatment of asthma, hay fever and allergic complaints.

Precautions
Typically used in herbal combinations, under the supervisions of someone qualified to use this substance. Not to be used as a stimulant, and its long term use is not recommended. Special Warning: SEEK ADVICE FROM HEALTH PRACTITIONER PRIOR TO USE IF PREGNANT, NURSING, HAVE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, HEART OR THYROID DISEASE, DIABETES, DIFFICULTY IN URINATION DUE TO PROSTATE ENLARGEMENT, OR IF TAKING MAO INHIBITOR OR OTHER PRESCRIPTION DRUG. REDUCE/DISCONTINUE USE IF NERVOUSNESS, TREMOR, SLEEPLESSNESS, LOSS OF APPETITE OR NAUSEA OCCUR. DO NOT EXCEED RECOMMENDED DOSE. KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN:

For educational purposes only This information has not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.
This information is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease.
Return to Ephedra Herb and Powder"

Yep, thats the main problem, how to dose. I just consider 1 teaspoon at 5 grams, so started with 1/8 teaspoon and working up to be safe
Title: Re: Does ephedrine increase BP or not?
Post by: arce1988 on September 04, 2010, 06:52:04 PM
  Yes