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Bush & Cheney are Murderers and War Criminals: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
Saturday, July 24th, 2010
'Mutagenic and carcinogenic agents' blamed for soaring infant mortality, cancers
In Fallujah, a city just 50 miles from Baghdad, life has never been the same since April 2004, when U.S. Marines declared the entire area a free-fire zone and proceeded to do what Marines do best. Packing the most destructive weaponry in the world, American soldiers laid siege to the city, deploying depleted uranium munitions, white phosphorus and tons of conventional ballistics.
Operation Vigilant Resolve went on for a full month. Though U.S. forces allowed an estimated 70,000 women, children and elderly leave the city, to this day the campaign to recapture Fallujah is beset with allegations of war crimes.
In the wake of America's "shock and awe" bombing campaign to take Baghdad, radiation detectors as far away as the United Kingdom noticed a fourfold spike in radioactivity in the atmosphere. At the time, the Department of Defense bragged that the substance, a nuclear byproduct with a fraction of the radioactivity as standard uranium, is commonly ingested by Americans, in food, drinking water and the air, allegedly with no ill effects. Officials went on to say its use would cause "no impact on the health of people and the environment."
Today, according to a study by the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health [PDF link],
rates of cancer, leukemia, infant mortality and sexual mutations in Fallujah are higher than those reported in the aftermath of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear detonations.
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Thanfully we have Barrack Hussein Obama in there now,and he has sent the troops home and pulled out of there...oh wait.
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Bush & Cheney are Murderers and War Criminals: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
Saturday, July 24th, 2010
'Mutagenic and carcinogenic agents' blamed for soaring infant mortality, cancers
In Fallujah, a city just 50 miles from Baghdad, life has never been the same since April 2004, when U.S. Marines declared the entire area a free-fire zone and proceeded to do what Marines do best. Packing the most destructive weaponry in the world, American soldiers laid siege to the city, deploying depleted uranium munitions, white phosphorus and tons of conventional ballistics.
Operation Vigilant Resolve went on for a full month. Though U.S. forces allowed an estimated 70,000 women, children and elderly leave the city, to this day the campaign to recapture Fallujah is beset with allegations of war crimes.
In the wake of America's "shock and awe" bombing campaign to take Baghdad, radiation detectors as far away as the United Kingdom noticed a fourfold spike in radioactivity in the atmosphere. At the time, the Department of Defense bragged that the substance, a nuclear byproduct with a fraction of the radioactivity as standard uranium, is commonly ingested by Americans, in food, drinking water and the air, allegedly with no ill effects. Officials went on to say its use would cause "no impact on the health of people and the environment."
Today, according to a study by the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health [PDF link],
rates of cancer, leukemia, infant mortality and sexual mutations in Fallujah are higher than those reported in the aftermath of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear detonations.
The use of Depleted Uranium munitions should be outlawed Worldwide.
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NeoCon Crickets
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The use of Depleted Uranium munitions should be outlawed Worldwide.
I don't think so. Terrorism should be outlawed. ;)
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I don't think so. Terrorism should be outlawed. ;)
Iraq DID NOT attack our Country on 9/11. WTF are you talking about?
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Iraq DID NOT attack our Country on 9/11. WTF are you talking about?
Depleted Uranium should not be outlawed, however, America should be more diligent in cleaning it up if that article is genuine.
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Depleted Uranium should not be outlawed, however, America should be more diligent in cleaning it up if that article is genuine.
The article is genuine and DU munitions should be outlawed.
How do you expect the USA to clean up Depleted Uranium? A mop... maybe a vaccum? Genius. ::)
DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those DU materials.
The use of DU in munitions is controversial because of questions about potential long-term health effects.[4][5] Normal functioning of the kidney, brain, liver, heart, and numerous other systems can be affected by uranium exposure, because in addition to being weakly radioactive, uranium is a toxic metal.[6] It is weakly radioactive and remains so because of its long physical half-life (4.468 billion years for uranium-238), but has a considerably shorter biological half-life. The aerosol produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites or can be inhaled by civilians and military personnel.[7] During a three week period of conflict in 2003 in Iraq, 1,000 to 2,000 tonnes of DU munitions were used, mostly in cities.[8]
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The article is genuine and DU munitions should be outlawed.
How do you expect the USA to clean up Depleted Uranium? A mop... maybe a vaccum? Genius. ::)
DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those DU materials.
The use of DU in munitions is controversial because of questions about potential long-term health effects.[4][5] Normal functioning of the kidney, brain, liver, heart, and numerous other systems can be affected by uranium exposure, because in addition to being weakly radioactive, uranium is a toxic metal.[6] It is weakly radioactive and remains so because of its long physical half-life (4.468 billion years for uranium-238), but has a considerably shorter biological half-life. The aerosol produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites or can be inhaled by civilians and military personnel.[7] During a three week period of conflict in 2003 in Iraq, 1,000 to 2,000 tonnes of DU munitions were used, mostly in cities.[8]
Considering who you are and your laughable track record on this forum, your endorsement of this article as being credible is suspect. This is just my opinion and your post does nothing to change that. Perhaps you can post some links from the article.
If its really an issue, I would be surprised that there isn't a way to clean it up.
And yes, a good vacuum would work. ::)
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Considering who you are and your laughable track record on this forum, your endorsement of this article as being credible is suspect. This is just my opinion and your post does nothing to change that. Perhaps you can post some links from the article.
If its really an issue, I would be surprised that there isn't a way to clean it up.
And yes, a good vacuum would work. ::)
Yes, the study is real. What the moron is leaving out is that there is no direct link to the alledged weapons. From the authors:
"Concerns have been expressed for some time about increases in cancer, leukemia and congenital
birth anomalies in Iraq. These have been blamed [4] on mutagenic and carcinogenic agents (like
depleted uranium) employed in the wars of 1991 and 2003. Increases in childhood leukaemia in Basrah
have recently been investigated [5] and the findings confirm that there has indeed been a significant
increase since 1991. Unfortunately, since many reports from Iraq and Fallujah have been anecdotal,
and have rarely been backed up by any population-based epidemiological evidence, it is difficult in
these cases to assess the validity of the various assertions."
"Finally, the results reported here do not throw any light upon the identity of the agent(s) causing the increased levels of illness and although we have drawn attention to the use of depleted uranium as one potential relevant exposure, there may be other possibilities and we see the current study as investigating the anecdotal evidence of increases in cancer and infant mortality in Fallujah."
The authors caution a lot more about making assumptions. You can read them yourself here: http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/7/7/2828/pdf
As usual, the fake vet exposes himself as an ass.
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Yes, the study is real. What the moron is leaving out is that there is no direct link to the alledged weapons. From the authors:
"Concerns have been expressed for some time about increases in cancer, leukemia and congenital
birth anomalies in Iraq. These have been blamed [4] on mutagenic and carcinogenic agents (like
depleted uranium) employed in the wars of 1991 and 2003. Increases in childhood leukaemia in Basrah
have recently been investigated [5] and the findings confirm that there has indeed been a significant
increase since 1991. Unfortunately, since many reports from Iraq and Fallujah have been anecdotal,
and have rarely been backed up by any population-based epidemiological evidence, it is difficult in
these cases to assess the validity of the various assertions."
"Finally, the results reported here do not throw any light upon the identity of the agent(s) causing the increased levels of illness and although we have drawn attention to the use of depleted uranium as one potential relevant exposure, there may be other possibilities and we see the current study as investigating the anecdotal evidence of increases in cancer and infant mortality in Fallujah."
The authors caution a lot more about making assumptions. You can read them yourself here: http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/7/7/2828/pdf
As usual, the fake vet exposes himself as an ass.
Skip, once again you are the man. And Mons once again you have added to your track record. :)
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There have been multiple scientific studies done on whether or not DU is safe and there is absolutely no consensus in the scientific community.
Mons Anus should stick to personally praying for soldiers to die in IED attacks. Fucking scumbag.
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Crickets
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Yes, the study is real. What the moron is leaving out is that there is no direct link to the alledged weapons. From the authors:
"Concerns have been expressed for some time about increases in cancer, leukemia and congenital
birth anomalies in Iraq. These have been blamed [4] on mutagenic and carcinogenic agents (like
depleted uranium) employed in the wars of 1991 and 2003. Increases in childhood leukaemia in Basrah
have recently been investigated [5] and the findings confirm that there has indeed been a significant
increase since 1991. Unfortunately, since many reports from Iraq and Fallujah have been anecdotal,
and have rarely been backed up by any population-based epidemiological evidence, it is difficult in
these cases to assess the validity of the various assertions."
"Finally, the results reported here do not throw any light upon the identity of the agent(s) causing the increased levels of illness and although we have drawn attention to the use of depleted uranium as one potential relevant exposure, there may be other possibilities and we see the current study as investigating the anecdotal evidence of increases in cancer and infant mortality in Fallujah."
The authors caution a lot more about making assumptions. You can read them yourself here: http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/7/7/2828/pdf
As usual, the fake vet exposes himself as an ass.
Haha just like there is no such thing as Gulf War Syndrome and all the soldiers that came back from Vietnam suffered no chronic life threatening injuries from agent Orange. You're an idiot if you believe the "official" line on anything military related. They were parroting the same bullshit back in Vietnam.
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Haha just like there is no such thing as Gulf War Syndrome and all the soldiers that came back from Vietnam suffered no chronic life threatening injuries from agent Orange. You're an idiot if you believe the "official" line on anything military related. They were parroting the same bullshit back in Vietnam.
The issue is not the "official line", it's causality and the researchers are not DOD, nor was the study funded by the government. In fact, they point out that DU may be, at least anecdotally, a cause. However, you cannot assert causality from this study and the researchers make that clear. Further study may paint a different picture.
This is why you are a gay male nurse and not a physician.
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LOL this thread is a prime example of why skip is one of my favorite posters on the politics board
except for that damn steelers helmet avatar >:(
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Mons Crickets
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Mons,
Are you planning to move to Iraq...otherwise why the fuck do you care. Do u have any idea the environmental mess that this country is and has been for a long time. DU is the least of their problems. Who did the study and where was this published?
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Mons is gimmick and based on how he argued this point does anyone need more than 2 guesses to figure out who he/she is?
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Mons is gimmick and based on how he argued this point does anyone need more than 2 guesses to figure out who he/she is?
;D
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The issue is not the "official line", it's causality and the researchers are not DOD, nor was the study funded by the government. In fact, they point out that DU may be, at least anecdotally, a cause. However, you cannot assert causality from this study and the researchers make that clear. Further study may paint a different picture.
This is why you are a gay male nurse and not a physician.
Atleast try to be original you fucking retard. Causality? Not funded by the government? LMAO! Don't try to act like you know what the fuck you're talking about. That seems to be a trend with you. Because you are clueless. I don't' know if you work for the US military or what. Why do you toe the official line every chance you get on just about every subject???. You come off as a stooge incapable of thinking for yourself.
Don't worry.......you can leave the thinking to those of us with the ability to.
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Atleast try to be original you fucking retard. Causality? Not funded by the government? LMAO! Don't try to act like you know what the fuck you're talking about. That seems to be a trend with you. Because you are clueless. I don't' know if you work for the US military or what. Why do you toe the official line every chance you get on just about every subject???. You come off as a stooge incapable of thinking for yourself.
Don't worry.......you can leave the thinking to those of us with the ability to.
This from someone who believes in the 911 CT stuff? Funny.
Skip is smarter than you. Just thought you should know that. :)
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This is a classic example of CT'ers retarding to ad hom.
Saying something "may" be the cause is far from saying something "is"
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Atleast try to be original you fucking retard. Causality? Not funded by the government? LMAO! Don't try to act like you know what the fuck you're talking about. That seems to be a trend with you. Because you are clueless. I don't' know if you work for the US military or what. Why do you toe the official line every chance you get on just about every subject???. You come off as a stooge incapable of thinking for yourself.
Don't worry.......you can leave the thinking to those of us with the ability to.
Don't try to act like YOU know what the fuck you're talking about. There have been multiple studies on this issue conducted by independent researchers and they have not reached anything close to a consensus.
Stick to cleaning bed pans, idiot.
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Don't try to act like YOU know what the fuck you're talking about. There have been multiple studies on this issue conducted by independent researchers and they have not reached anything close to a consensus.
Stick to cleaning bed pans, idiot.
Then post them. I'm sure they are absolutely conclusive right? Just like what you are stating about the above posted study? Right? They are absolutely definitive. Get a job you fucking loser and quit spending all your time a forum where no one cares about what you say.
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Then post them. I'm sure they are absolutely conclusive right? Just like what you are stating about the above posted study? Right? They are absolutely definitive. Get a job you fucking loser and quit spending all your time a forum where no one cares about what you say.
Nice meltdown, nurse. I've already posted a thread months ago with a solid study (complete with the source to the PDF containing the study) that showed that the DU concentrations found on the ground after DU weapons were used were nowhere near enough to be considered dangerous. Thanks for playing and feel free to search for it if you want.
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LOL......Yeah he's real smart.......smart enough to believe everything his government and the media and the mainstream tells him.
The "9/11 CT stuff"........hahaha........yo u're the real idiot. So just what do you think it is that I believe about 9/11 tough guy? Do you think everyone that questions 9/11 thinks that George Bush did it? LMAO! Stick to smoking pot and surfing Beach Bozo. Leave the thinking to people that actually can. Spoonfeed what your government tells you.......... ::)
Yes, he's smarter than you. Maybe if you were around the board more often you would see that. Or maybe not.
You can try and spin the 911 CT nonsense anyway you choose, but the fact is nobody who believes in that absurd theory should be calling anyone stupid.
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I have other more important things to do then spend all my time proving how smart I am on a bodybuilding website. I mean look at you.........LMAO! "Moderator". Do you tell your friends that you're a "moderator" at Getbig.com's political forum? Hahaha....Another fucking internet tough guy......"Moderator"......hahaha.
Tough guy? Did I threaten you or something?
Regardless of what I tell people about this forum, the facts about you believing in a nutty CT have not changed. :)
You might be able to raise your IQ a few digits if you constructively engaged people on the board more often. I'm here to help. :)
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Atleast try to be original you fucking retard. Causality?
Too big of a word for a nurse's aide? My bad, I'll try and keep it simplistic.
Not funded by the government? LMAO! Don't try to act like you know what the fuck you're talking about. That seems to be a trend with you. Because you are clueless.
The study discusses the funding including the fact that one of the researchers was funded by "Green Audit from the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust". They are interested in social justice and oppose shit like Gitmo. Hardly a person who is interested in touting the "official line".
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I don't' know if you work for the US military or what. Why do you toe the official line every chance you get on just about every subject???. You come off as a stooge incapable of thinking for yourself.
Don't worry.......you can leave the thinking to those of us with the ability to.
Yes, I do work for the military if you need full disclosure. Why? Are you one of the tards who thinks I'm 1 of 2,884 people keeping secrets about 9/11?
Why don't you try actually reading the study (it's not very long), and then you won't make such an ass of yourself. It's really that simple.
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Tough guy? Did I threaten you or something?
Regardless of what I tell people about this forum, the facts about you believing in a nutty CT have not changed. :)
You might be able to raise your IQ a few digits if you constructively engaged people on the board more often. I'm here to help. :)
Haha I'd love for you to go through old posts of mine saying revealing where I ever said I believe that 9/11 was an inside job or I'm some sort of conspiracy theory nutjob. For the record:
1) I don't believe the official story. Take that for what it's worth. Aka our government is lying about what they knew, when they knew it and how they responded.
2) I don't believe 14 mostly Saudi born terrorists were the sole parties responsible for carrying out the events of 9/11.
If I question the JFK assassination I guess I believe in bigfoot and aliens? You're a dopehead. Get a life.
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I have other more important things to do then spend all my time proving how smart I am on a bodybuilding website. I mean look at you.........LMAO! "Moderator". Do you tell your friends that you're a "moderator" at Getbig.com's political forum? Hahaha....Another fucking internet tough guy......"Moderator"......hahaha.
haha...envy's a bitch, eh?
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Got to love the "you're nothing but sheep that believe everything the government spoon-feeds you so I'm going ramble like a fucking moron and not bother reading nor constructing a logical rebuttal to your posts" argument. Get back to cleaning bed pans, you angry, insecure, steroid-abusing nurse.
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hahaha...good job. Way to own yourself McAss
I have other more important things to do then spend all my time proving how smart I am on a bodybuilding website. I mean look at you.........LMAO! "Moderator". Do you tell your friends that you're a "moderator" at Getbig.com's political forum? Hahaha....Another fucking internet tough guy......"Moderator"......hahaha.
Yet on another thread...
Why do you even respond to threads like this dude? I mean seriously........you're a grown ass man who has a legitimate job, family, etc. Why even bother with responding to idiots like this if you think they are just an internet tough guy? Are you that insecure man?
Yeah, keep responding to a guy who you think is an internet tough guy. I mean, are you really that insecure, lol.
Fucking tool.
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Haha I'd love for you to go through old posts of mine saying revealing where I ever said I believe that 9/11 was an inside job or I'm some sort of conspiracy theory nutjob. For the record:
1) I don't believe the official story. Take that for what it's worth. Aka our government is lying about what they knew, when they knew it and how they responded.
2) I don't believe 14 mostly Saudi born terrorists were the sole parties responsible for carrying out the events of 9/11.
If I question the JFK assassination I guess I believe in bigfoot and aliens? You're a dopehead. Get a life.
Thanks for clarifying that you're a 911 CT nut. Do you own a copy of Loose Change?
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Got to love the "you're nothing but sheep that believe everything the government spoon-feeds you so I'm going ramble like a fucking moron and not bother reading nor constructing a logical rebuttal to your posts" argument. Get back to cleaning bed pans, you angry, insecure, steroid-abusing nurse.
LOL steroid abusing? You always throw that in there. I use I don't abuse buddy! There's a difference.
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hahaha...good job. Way to own yourself McAss
Yet on another thread...
Yeah, keep responding to a guy who you think is an internet tough guy. I mean, are you really that insecure, lol.
Fucking tool.
Haha your desperation is pathetic. Sorry you didn't get to be a getbig moderator. You must be really upset over that huh?
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Haha no wonder you parrot the bullshit you do Skip. You work for the fucking government. At least try to retain SOME objectivity in your beliefs. No wonder you hang out on getbig surrounded by other brainwashed morons like HH6. You'd get your ass handed to you on a real political forum with rational thinking, informed adults. You like to be with your own kind because it makes you feel comfortable. It's easy to sit back and sound intelligent when no one realizes what you are saying is bullshit and propaganda. Haha another military moron who can't tihnk for himself.
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Haha no wonder you parrot the bullshit you do Skip. You work for the fucking government. At least try to retain SOME objectivity in your beliefs. No wonder you hang out on getbig surrounded by other brainwashed morons like HH6. You'd get your ass handed to you on a real political forum with rational thinking, informed adults. You like to be with your own kind because it makes you feel comfortable. It's easy to sit back and sound intelligent when no one realizes what you are saying is bullshit and propaganda. Haha another military moron who can't tihnk for himself.
Why don't you go post on "a real political forum with rational thinking, informed adults"? Doesn't the fact you post here make you an idiot by your own definition?
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Why don't you go post on "a real political forum with rational thinking, informed adults"? Doesn't the fact you post here make you an idiot by your own definition?
I do spend most of my time on other political forums dumbass.
www.abovetopsecret.com
www.ronpaulforums.com
www.economyincrisis.org
www.shadowstats.com
www.politicsforum.org
www.prisonplanet.com
www.city-data.com
www.libertylounge.net
www.ronpaulforums.com
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I do spend most of my time on other political forums dumbass.
www.abovetopsecret.com
www.ronpaulforums.com
www.economyincrisis.org
www.shadowstats.com
www.politicsforum.org
www.prisonplanet.com
www.city-data.com
www.libertylounge.net
www.ronpaulforums.com
What are you doing posting on a forum that you don't consider "a real political forum with rational thinking, informed adults"? Doesn't that make you an idiot by your own defintion?
And you post on prison planet? lol. Home of the 911 CT nuts?
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Haha no wonder you parrot the bullshit you do Skip. You work for the fucking government. At least try to retain SOME objectivity in your beliefs. No wonder you hang out on getbig surrounded by other brainwashed morons like HH6. You'd get your ass handed to you on a real political forum with rational thinking, informed adults. You like to be with your own kind because it makes you feel comfortable. It's easy to sit back and sound intelligent when no one realizes what you are saying is bullshit and propaganda. Haha another military moron who can't tihnk for himself.
As far as the board goes, I've posted on many other political boards and GB's is by far the best. Interesting and fun posters and a broad diversity of opinion all make the political board here one of the most entertaining around. I'm sure you think it makes you sound cool and hip to disparage the board - I can assure you, it only serves to make you look like a tool. And, your 4700+ posts clearly say otherwise.
As far as being objective, that's exactly what I've been. It's a non-government study and the authors state they only have anectdotal evidence that DU may be involved but there are many other areas that need to be looked at and more study is needed. If DU turns out to be the cause, so be it. But, that's not the case right now.
As Ozmo noted, there is a big difference between saying "may be" a cause and "is" a cause. When you're bright enough to figure that out, you may actually be able to put forth something resembling an argument.
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ROTFLMAO
Bump :)