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Poll shows opposition to health care overhaul declining. 50% favorable and only 35% unfavorable now.
Poll shows opposition to health care overhaul declining
By David S. Hilzenrath
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 29, 2010; 12:02 AM
Opposition to the landmark health care overhaul declined over the past month, to 35 percent from 41 percent, according to the latest results of a tracking poll, reported Thursday.
Fifty percent of the public held a favorable view of the law, up slightly from 48 percent a month ago, while 14 percent expressed no opinion about the measure, according to the poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation.
The approval level was the highest for the legislation since it was enacted in March, after a divisive year-long debate. In April, the poll found 46 percent in favor and 40 percent opposed.
Though the legislative battle is over, the political tug-of-war continues. Democrats and Republicans have been fighting to shape public opinion on the issue in hopes of influencing the fall elections.
Among Republicans, opposition to the law remained steady at 69 percent, but the intensity of that opposition ticked upward. Fifty-three percent of Republicans said they had a "very unfavorable" opinion of the law this month, up from 50 percent in June.
Independents, who can tip the balance in elections, split 48 percent to 37 percent in favor, compared with 49 percent to 41 percent a month earlier. The intensity of opinion among this group showed little change; just less than a fifth expressed a very favorable view, and just more than a quarter expressed a very unfavorable view.
The legislation was passed by Democratic majorities in the House and Senate and was signed into law by a Democratic president, and over the past month Democratic support for the legislation grew. Seventy-three percent of Democrats expressed a favorable opinion, up from 69 percent in June. Fifteen percent of Democrats expressed an unfavorable opinion, down from 19 percent in June.
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Without knowing the questions those results are pretty useless. A person could rabidly support healthcare overhaul yet believe this bill is crap. :)
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true... but i think it shows over time, the disdain for this bill is going to lessen.
the 2010 elections should have been held in April. Repubs would have done better.
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Favorable participants answered yes to the following question: " Do you support the Obama administrations new healthcare mandate which we promise will result in free, top quality healthcare to your and your family forever even if you get sick or have a preexisting condition?"
Unfavorable participants answered no to the folowing question: "Do you dry clean your white sheets before your monthly Klan rally?"
Seems perfectly logical to me.
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true... but i think it shows over time, the disdain for this bill is going to lessen.
the 2010 elections should have been held in April. Repubs would have done better.
lmao dispite you and others constant down playing of the shit moves made by the dems and the administration the reps will do just fine in november...
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240 looking for any way to kneepad obama.
240 = Julio
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i dislike this bill, but i love politics.
if they asked the same Q, and the opinion is becoming more favorable by the month, that's a prob for the GOP.
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true... but i think it shows over time, the disdain for this bill is going to lessen.
the 2010 elections should have been held in April. Repubs would have done better.
How can people disdain something they don't understand?
Ignore all rhetoric and do the math. It's just not affordable without tax increases and they made no efforts to decrease delivery costs.
I'm in favor of some national plan, just one that's affordable and sustainable. Declaring a healthcare emergency to increase access and governmental control isn't a solution, either. It still costs actual, real money to deliver health care.
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How can people disdain something they don't understand?
Ignore all rhetoric and do the math. It's just not affordable without tax increases and they made no efforts to decrease delivery costs.
I'm in favor of some national plan, just one that's affordable and sustainable. Declaring a healthcare emergency to increase access and governmental control isn't a solution, either. It still costs actual, real money to deliver health care.
i agree 100%.
But when the number keep changing, and there are 60 or 70% of americans who 'support' this bill... it's going to be something to HELP dems, not hurt them.
Much the way Soc Sec and Medicare, suffrage, and equal rights were probably upside down in polls compared with today. Time heals all wounds, etc.
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i agree 100%.
But when the number keep changing, and there are 60 or 70% of americans who 'support' this bill... it's going to be something to HELP dems, not hurt them.
Much the way Soc Sec and Medicare, suffrage, and equal rights were probably upside down in polls compared with today. Time heals all wounds, etc.
And those programs are broke and nothing but madoff schemes, just like ObamaCare.
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And those programs are broke and nothing but madoff schemes, just like ObamaCare.
agree 200%.
however, perception - and not the truth - is all that matters in politics today.
And the "perception" of the healthcare bill is slowly improving in a direction favorable to the dems. This poll shows that.
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i agree 100%.
But when the number keep changing, and there are 60 or 70% of americans who 'support' this bill... it's going to be something to HELP dems, not hurt them.
Much the way Soc Sec and Medicare, suffrage, and equal rights were probably upside down in polls compared with today. Time heals all wounds, etc.
You die from some wounds, LOL!
Medicare is poorly run, period. Social security only works because they're sending out fixed amounts with no brain work.
A medicare based payment system basically means your doctor's office will be out of business because all his/her bills can't wait 60-90 days (or more) to get paid. Again, I'm not taking politics into consideration, it just can't work as advertised. An entity who cannot administer Medicare properly cannot handle claims for the entire country.
Tricare, the Gov HMO, was two plus years behind in processing/paying claims at one point. Heck, a friend of mine had to admit a pregnant woman so she could get an ultrasound that otherwise wouldn't have been approved in time to reduce risk to the fetus.
The only reason most people can afford to lose money on Medicare patients is their insurance mix makes surviving until finally getting reimbursed possible.
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And those programs are broke and nothing but madoff schemes, just like ObamaCare.
True, but once you giveth the public will not let you take it away.
Try taking Bush's Medicare Drug Program away. (never happen)
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You die from some wounds, LOL!
Medicare is poorly run, period. Social security only works because they're sending out fixed amounts with no brain work.
A medicare based payment system basically means your doctor's office will be out of business because all his/her bills can't wait 60-90 days (or more) to get paid. Again, I'm not taking politics into consideration, it just can't work as advertised. An entity who cannot administer Medicare properly cannot handle claims for the entire country.
Tricare, the Gov HMO, was two plus years behind in processing/paying claims at one point. Heck, a friend of mine had to admit a pregnant woman so she could get an ultrasound that otherwise wouldn't have been approved in time to reduce risk to the fetus.
The only reason most people can afford to lose money on Medicare patients is their insurance mix makes surviving until finally getting reimbursed possible.
Those who advocated medicare for all disagree. ::) ::) ::)
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agree 200%.
however, perception - and not the truth - is all that matters in politics today.
And the "perception" of the healthcare bill is slowly improving in a direction favorable to the dems. This poll shows that.
The bill hasnt gone into affect yet.Wait untill people find out they are now forced to be under government health care and cant chose their own doctors.We will see how popular it is in Nov.
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Those who advocated medicare for all disagree. ::) ::) ::)
I doubt many of them had it for medical care or dealt intimately with it as physicians.
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I'm sick of obama supporters.
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I'm sick of obama supporters.
supporters are fine b/c they can admit when they think obama made a bad move, its the knee padders that get to me...
notice how whenever palin does something 240 never looks at it from the political point of view? but whatever obama does is politically brilliant ::)
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true... but i think it shows over time, the disdain for this bill is going to lessen.
the 2010 elections should have been held in April. Repubs would have done better.
240 - what are the current ratings for obamacare?
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240 - what are the current ratings for obamacare?
LOL!!!
Health Care Law
54% Still Favor Repeal of Obama’s Health Care Law
Monday, June 25, 2012
With the U.S. Supreme Court poised to decide the fate of President Obama’s national health care law, most voters still would like to see the law repealed. It’s indicative of how steady support for repeal has been that this week’s finding is identical to how voters felt in the first survey after the law’s passage by Congress in March 2010.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 54% of Likely U.S. Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care bill, while 39% are at least somewhat opposed. This includes 43% who Strongly Favor repeal and 28% who are Strongly Opposed to it. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
The survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted on June 23-24, 2012 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.
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Funny thing is as soon as you take Obama's name out of the equation all of a sudden you see very strong support from Repubs for many of the key components of the heath care legislation:
* Eighty percent of Republicans favor “creating an insurance pool where small businesses and uninsured have access to insurance exchanges to take advantage of large group pricing benefits.” That’s backed by 75 percent of independents.
* Fifty-seven percent of Republicans support “providing subsidies on a sliding scale to aid individuals and families who cannot afford health insurance.” That’s backed by 67 percent of independents.
* Fifty-four percent of Republicans favor “requiring companies with more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employers.” That’s backed by 75 percent of independents.
* Fifty two percent of Republicans favor “allowing children to stay on parents insurance until age 26.” That’s backed by 69 percent of independents.
* Seventy eight percent of Republicans support “banning insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions; 86 percent of Republicans favor “banning insurance companies from cancelling policies because a person becomes ill.” Those are backed by 82 percent of independents and 87 percent of independents.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/republicans-support-obamas-health-reforms--as-long-as-his-name-isnt-on-them/2012/06/25/gJQAq7E51V_blog.html
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Funny thing is as soon as you take Obama's name out of the equation all of a sudden you see very strong support from Repubs for many of the key components of the heath care legislation:
* Eighty percent of Republicans favor “creating an insurance pool where small businesses and uninsured have access to insurance exchanges to take advantage of large group pricing benefits.” That’s backed by 75 percent of independents.
* Fifty-seven percent of Republicans support “providing subsidies on a sliding scale to aid individuals and families who cannot afford health insurance.” That’s backed by 67 percent of independents.
* Fifty-four percent of Republicans favor “requiring companies with more than 50 employees to provide insurance for their employers.” That’s backed by 75 percent of independents.
* Fifty two percent of Republicans favor “allowing children to stay on parents insurance until age 26.” That’s backed by 69 percent of independents.
* Seventy eight percent of Republicans support “banning insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions; 86 percent of Republicans favor “banning insurance companies from cancelling policies because a person becomes ill.” Those are backed by 82 percent of independents and 87 percent of independents.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/republicans-support-obamas-health-reforms--as-long-as-his-name-isnt-on-them/2012/06/25/gJQAq7E51V_blog.html
Again - the bad shit with obamacare grossly outweighs the some of the good things.
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Again - the bad shit with obamacare grossly outweighs the some of the good things.
the only thing they are really against is Obama
I don't recall any Repub support or attempt at compromises when they were actually putting together the legislation
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the only thing they are really against is Obama
I don't recall any Repub support or attempt at compromises when they were actually putting together the legislation
You really are a brain dead leftist idiot. you fall for every stupid ass "progressive" bullshit talking point hook line and sinker.
1. Obama took 500 billion out of an already broke medicare to pay for this - FAIL
2. Medicade expansion that the states have no way to pay for - FAIL
3. Individual mandate - FAIL
4. IPAB - FAIL
5. 143 new govt agencies and offices - FAIL
6. No tort reform - FAIL
7. Corrupt deal w Big Pharma banning drug re-importation - FAIL
8. Mandatory minimum coverage forcing people to cover all sorts of shit they will never use - FAIL
You want more?
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You really are a brain dead leftist idiot. you fall for every stupid ass "progressive" bullshit talking point hook line and sinker.
1. Obama took 500 billion out of an already broke medicare to pay for this - FAIL
2. Medicade expansion that the states have no way to pay for - FAIL
3. Individual mandate - FAIL
4. IPAB - FAIL
5. 143 new govt agencies and offices - FAIL
6. No tort reform - FAIL
7. Corrupt deal w Big Pharma banning drug re-importation - FAIL
8. Mandatory minimum coverage forcing people to cover all sorts of shit they will never use - FAIL
You want more?
apparently a large % of Republican suddenly want more
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It's like both sides want to fuck us, but one doesn't want OB to do the fucking.
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It's like both sides want to fuck us, but one doesn't want OB to do the fucking.
you view the 5 provisions that are polling very favorably among Repubs as "fucking us"?
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you view the 5 provisions that are polling very favorably among Repubs as "fucking us"?
2 things:
1. Insurance company abuses (some of which are addressed in the "5 things")
2. Ridiculously high medicine and health care costs and premiums.
If those aren't addressed we are getting fucked. Anything else is tool time material.
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2 things:
1. Insurance company abuses (some of which are addressed in the "5 things")
2. Ridiculously high medicine and health care costs and premiums.
If those aren't addressed we are getting fucked. Anything else is tool time material.
no argument from me on that and the ridiculous costs are probably the primary issue
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no argument from me on that and the ridiculous costs are probably the primary issue
And yet you have no problem w obama making us slaves to that system under penalty of fine and law despite the fact that in 2008 Obama himself said the mandate was wrong.
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And yet you have no problem w obama making us slaves to that system under penalty of fine and law despite the fact that in 2008 Obama himself said the mandate was wrong.
i am thinking that gets struck down later today or tomorrow. Hopefully anyway.
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i am thinking that gets struck down later today or tomorrow. Hopefully anyway.
Thursday at 10:00 am
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And yet you have no problem w obama making us slaves to that system under penalty of fine and law despite the fact that in 2008 Obama himself said the mandate was wrong.
Yeah, having to pay a fine is the definition of slavery
Since you have insurance you wouldn't even be subject to a fine and your income is probaly so low you would be exempt anyway
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Yeah, having to pay a fine is the definition of slavery
Since you have insurance you wouldn't even be subject to a fine and your income is probaly so low you would be exempt anyway
Whatever - Obama knew the deal back in 2008
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333 - since you believe you are Obama's slave you should start referring to him properly as your master
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333 - since you believe you are Obama's slave you should start referring to him properly as your master
Straw - YES OR NO - DID OBAMA LIE HIS ASS OFF ABOUT EVERY ASPECT OF HEALTH CARE?
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Straw - YES OR NO - DID OBAMA LIE HIS ASS OFF ABOUT EVERY ASPECT OF HEALTH CARE?
Obama is your Master
It must be true or how else could you be his slave
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Obama is your Master
It must be true or how else could you be his slave
Obama is making individuals slaves to corporations w the mandate as the sole reason of breating and you progressive idiots just cheer it along.
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One issue that republicans seem to have such a problem with is the "individual mandate." As it being unConstitutional.
Here is how I see it. Where in the Constitution does it guarantee that any turd who staggers in off the street HAS to be provided emergency room services without even the slightest intention of paying for it? Indeed, many of them use the ER as their personal doctor.....absolutely insane and those of us who have health insurance are stuck with footing the bill for them. So I would prefer to see a mandatory insurance for individuals OR we start turning away those without insurance at the ER's, unless it is truly a life threatening situation. And that will NEVER happen, so I say force these sloths to carry insurance. I know repubs will shit the bed on this issue, but I don't see any other "fair" way of doing it where those of us with insurance aren't paying for those without it.
Yes, I would prefer to see a massiver overhaul of the health insurance industry, but with them lining the pockets of politicians on both sides of the aisle, it will NEVER truly happen.
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One issue that republicans seem to have such a problem with is the "individual mandate." As it being unConstitutional.
Here is how I see it. Where in the Constitution does it guarantee that any turd who staggers in off the street HAS to be provided emergency room services without even the slightest intention of paying for it? Indeed, many of them use the ER as their personal doctor.....absolutely insane and those of us who have health insurance are stuck with footing the bill for them. So I would prefer to see a mandatory insurance for individuals OR we start turning away those without insurance at the ER's, unless it is truly a life threatening situation. And that will NEVER happen, so I say force these sloths to carry insurance. I know repubs will shit the bed on this issue, but I don't see any other "fair" way of doing it where those of us with insurance aren't paying for those without it.
Yes, I would prefer to see a massiver overhaul of the health insurance industry, but with them lining the pockets of politicians on both sides of the aisle, it will NEVER truly happen.
Its called EMTALA and it should be repealed.
The issue w the mandate is that it literally is limiteless and the obamacarecare mandate is not limited to catastrophic ER coverage to defray those costs.
Thus, the ER argument is not applicable to the ObamaCare mandate which mandates all sorts of shit most people will never use.
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Its called EMTALA and it should be repealed.
The issue w the mandate is that it literally is limiteless and the obamacarecare mandate is not limited to catastrophic ER coverage to defray those costs.
Thus, the ER argument is not applicable to the ObamaCare mandate which mandates all sorts of shit most people will never use.
I wasn't really talking about his plan, per se. Just that I don't have a problem with people who are going to utilize the health care services having to carry coverage. Indeed, much of his plan is pure shit, so I'm really not talking about that. It's just that every time I hear commentary on it, that is the ONE issue being brought up by republicans.
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I wasn't really talking about his plan, per se. Just that I don't have a problem with people who are going to utilize the health care services having to carry coverage. Indeed, much of his plan is pure shit, so I'm really not talking about that. It's just that every time I hear commentary on it, that is the ONE issue being brought up by republicans.
They could have offered a catastropic plan that would have cost almost nothing as well as instituted some type of tax to cover that and it would have been totally legit.
BTW - a huge part of the problem w the ER is illegals who are not going to buy anything regardsless.
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They could have offered a catastropic plan that would have cost almost nothing as well as instituted some type of tax to cover that and it would have been totally legit.
BTW - a huge part of the problem w the ER is illegals who are not going to buy anything regardsless.
I agree and they should be turned away. But it would NEVER happen. I really think the bigger cost is not so much "catastrophic" issues, but the use of the ER as a doctors office/clinic by those who are uninsured. They just rack up massive health care bills and never pay them and have no intentions of, so it drives up the cost for those of us carrying because hospitals and insurance WILL get their share.
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http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/325703/3/Nixon-against-Obama-health-insurance-mandate
Ha ha ha - Democrats running for the exits.
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Polls are useful sometimes, like when I agree with their findings. Otherwise,, they are meaningless and stupid and probably biased and wrong.
Signed,
Everyone.
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http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/325703/3/Nixon-against-Obama-health-insurance-mandate
Ha ha ha - Democrats running for the exits.
if he never supported it then how is him still not supporting it "news"
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One issue that republicans seem to have such a problem with is the "individual mandate." As it being unConstitutional.
Here is how I see it. Where in the Constitution does it guarantee that any turd who staggers in off the street HAS to be provided emergency room services without even the slightest intention of paying for it? Indeed, many of them use the ER as their personal doctor.....absolutely insane and those of us who have health insurance are stuck with footing the bill for them. So I would prefer to see a mandatory insurance for individuals OR we start turning away those without insurance at the ER's, unless it is truly a life threatening situation. And that will NEVER happen, so I say force these sloths to carry insurance. I know repubs will shit the bed on this issue, but I don't see any other "fair" way of doing it where those of us with insurance aren't paying for those without it.
Yes, I would prefer to see a massiver overhaul of the health insurance industry, but with them lining the pockets of politicians on both sides of the aisle, it will NEVER truly happen.
The Constitution doesn't say anything about patient dumping (treating ER patients regardless of their ability to pay). Those are laws passed by various states. And they are the right thing to do.
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Lol!!!!! 56 percent want it repealed as of today.
Poll shows opposition to health care overhaul declining. 50% favorable and only 35% unfavorable now.
Poll shows opposition to health care overhaul declining
By David S. Hilzenrath
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 29, 2010; 12:02 AM
Opposition to the landmark health care overhaul declined over the past month, to 35 percent from 41 percent, according to the latest results of a tracking poll, reported Thursday.
Fifty percent of the public held a favorable view of the law, up slightly from 48 percent a month ago, while 14 percent expressed no opinion about the measure, according to the poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation.
The approval level was the highest for the legislation since it was enacted in March, after a divisive year-long debate. In April, the poll found 46 percent in favor and 40 percent opposed.
Though the legislative battle is over, the political tug-of-war continues. Democrats and Republicans have been fighting to shape public opinion on the issue in hopes of influencing the fall elections.
Among Republicans, opposition to the law remained steady at 69 percent, but the intensity of that opposition ticked upward. Fifty-three percent of Republicans said they had a "very unfavorable" opinion of the law this month, up from 50 percent in June.
Independents, who can tip the balance in elections, split 48 percent to 37 percent in favor, compared with 49 percent to 41 percent a month earlier. The intensity of opinion among this group showed little change; just less than a fifth expressed a very favorable view, and just more than a quarter expressed a very unfavorable view.
The legislation was passed by Democratic majorities in the House and Senate and was signed into law by a Democratic president, and over the past month Democratic support for the legislation grew. Seventy-three percent of Democrats expressed a favorable opinion, up from 69 percent in June. Fifteen percent of Democrats expressed an unfavorable opinion, down from 19 percent in June.