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I think it's possible she runs.
61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
Wednesday, 28 Jul 2010
If President Obama were to face a challenge in 2012, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is best poised to take him on, according to a new Washington Whispers poll.
Some 61 percent said Clinton, a 2008 primary challenger to Obama when she was a New York senator, could beat the president in a primary, according to Paul Bedard at U.S. News & World Report's Washington Whispers.
Clinton, who's very popular in her current role, has suggested that she doesn't plan to serve two four-year terms as secretary of state and also that she doesn't want to run for the presidency again. She is still trying to retire her 2008 campaign debt, reportedly at less than $1 million.
See the entire poll at USNews.com
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/obama-clinton-poll-2012-hillary-wins/2010/07/28/id/365933
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Oh newsmax ::) ::) ::)
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michael steele put out an email today:
Hillary Clinton Was Right.
Dear Rob,
This is a hard thing for us to do. We hate to say it, but... Hillary Clinton was right. She was right about Barack Obama. She was right when she said that he wasn't ready to act in a time of crisis; that he didn't have what it took to do the job; that he wasn't ready to be President. It hurts to say it, but Hillary Clinton was right, and if we're going to acknowledge that, then we also have to understand that to stop this part-time president from doing further harm to our country, we can't wait until November. We have to start now.
Are you ready? Then go to NovemberStartsNow.com and pledge your name to victory in November. If you make that commitment, then we'll make sure that you have the opportunity to do your part. And after you've signed up, forward this email to your friends, and tell them how important it is to make a stand against the Obama Administration. Don't hesitate: take action today at NovemberStartsNow.com.
Sincerely,
Michael Steele
Chairman, Republican National Committee
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Steele is right.
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GOP is running AGAINST OBAMA In 2012.
If he retired and handed it to Hilary... she'd probably win. She'd have a much better chance against Repubs than Obama would...
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The GOP is running against Obama if he fends off a potential challenge by Hillary.
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Its going to depend on where the economy is and where his polls are.If both suck,she is in.By the way,no way he retires.That guy is the biggest ego maniac who has ever lived.
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Its going to depend on where the economy is and where his polls are.If both suck,she is in.By the way,no way he retires.That guy is the biggest ego maniac who has ever lived.
his ego might be what forces him to retire.
if he KNOWS he will lose - and his legacy could be that he *chooses* to leave on top after accomplishing more lib legislation than any single president in history - he might just go for it. Heck, if Bush had faked illness in 2004, let the hero Rudy Guiliani run and win...
He would have taken away that anti-Bush sentiment, and Bush would be remembered as the champ that nailed down 2 awesome wars and had the economy steaming, before bowing out. Rudy would have won in 08 as well, probably.
Obama can take away the anti-obama momentum. (Same way Mccain might have won, if he had forced palin to bow out, and ended that moderate anti-palin vote in 08)
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http://itbegsthequestion.com/?p=825 (http://itbegsthequestion.com/?p=825)
Hillary in 2012?
By Larry Wohlgemuth, on July 26th, 2010
It’s a long ways off, and it’s hard to imagine that Barack Obama has already been president 18 months, but I have to wonder. My friend, the union organizer, was the first to propose that we might be in for a change in 2012. He’s hearing things that are filtering down which suggest there’s a strategy at work.
You have to wonder if it’s possible, I mean could a sitting Secretary of State primary a sitting President of the United States? If you look at how things are shaking out it seems like the most logical alternative. My friend’s even suggesting that Obama may choose not to run. It begs the question, will we see Hillary Clinton run for president in 2012?
Let’s start at the beginning. Barack Obama inherited the worst set of circumstances of any president since the Great Depression, and he’s handled it magnificently. We’re the only industrialized nation without universal health care coverage, and he passed landmark legislation moving us in that direction. He’s pushed through legislation to control banks that rape, pillage and plunder the American people. With these and all of his other accomplishments he’ll be recognized with Lincoln and FDR as a man who helped save the Republic. Someday. But it’s taking a toll today.
The Republican Party is burdened with a xenophobic element, and Obama will suffer racially motivated attacks unlike any we’ve ever seen. Throw into the mix the revenge-minded corporations and the dimwitted teabaggers that foolishly vote against their self-interest, and it’s easy to see his re-election campaign will be brutal. Add in the fact that the economy will probably remain on shaky ground as Republicans work to defeat recovery legislation at every turn, and his re-election could prove problematic. Enter Hillary Clinton.
While Obama polls ahead of any of his Republican challengers, Hillary Clinton polls far ahead of Obama. My friend suggests that this was the plan all along; that whoever promoted this legislative agenda designed to benefit the American people would suffer the wrath of corporate America. So regardless of his popularity he’ll have to overcome the vast resources of corporations, which is unlikely. Hillary, on the other hand, would not face this obstacle.
My friend states that part of the plan was to pull her out of the Senate and make her Secretary of State for several reasons. One is it gains her international experience and exposure, but more importantly she’s protected from having to vote on Obama’s legislation, making her a somewhat clean slate. While everyone knows she supported the agenda she will be in a position to differentiate herself from it, and suggest alternatives that she would have proposed had she been president. She gets all of the credit for her association with this administration without having to take any of the heat. Smart political move.
It has also allowed her to stand in front of the American people as a statesman and not a politician, and she’s making the most of her opportunity. People are seeing Hillary Clinton as never before, and they’re finding out that she is a smart and savvy negotiator, and a formidable presence with which to reckon. Compared with the Republican alternative, Sarah Palin, well there is no comparison. Listening to Hillary only serves to confirm what a complete and total moron Palin is.
The biggest question mark in all of this is Barack Obama the type of guy that would do all this heavy lifting to let someone else get the credit? Will he be content with only one term? Was there an agreement in place to ensure everything would happen this way? You have to know with the viciousness we’ll see in the next election cycle that the attacks will get personal, and maybe even violent, and Obama may not wish to subject his daughters to that abuse. And he may be the true patriot who knew coming in that pursuing his agenda would consign him to one term in office, and he was up for it.
The biggest winners in this scenario would undoubtedly be working Americans. The landmark legislation Obama has passed has done more to improve the lot of working Americans than anything in 70 years, but a second term would likely be devoid of any major accomplishments. Republican intransigence would surely consign his encore to the scrapheap of the unmemorable. On the other hand Hillary coming in with a fresh mandate and looking at potentially eight years in office would reinvigorate the Democratic base. Additionally, her previous experience in the White House would serve her well, and she would hit the ground running full speed. Plus she would get the complete benefit of Obama’s accomplishments as health care reform and Wall Street regulations kicked in. It would be a Republican disaster.
When you think about it, after the nightmare of 10 years of what George W. Bush did to our nation, people are more likely to remember how great they had it economically during Clinton’s years rather than a little spoot on a blue dress. I think right now the Clinton economy is what most people are remembering and missing. Hillary in 2012? It makes sense.
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The only Clinton who could beat Obama can't run unless the 22nd amendment is changed. :)
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Im more likey to agree with dannys posted article. It seems a grand plan that hilary was so happy with the state job...its primeing the people for the good ole days of clinton. were being set-up!! :o
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Im more likey to agree with dannys posted article. It seems a grand plan that hilary was so happy with the state job...its primeing the people for the good ole days of clinton. were being set-up!! :o
She couldn't beat him anyways. I doubt there's anyone in politics more disliked than the Clintons were. He just happened to be a great politician which she is not.
People should be concentrating on mid term elections and either restoring some sanity to the spending or at least getting enough votes to stop it. They should also go and find some actual republicans people can vote for.. the ones who loved small government and didn't believe in spending like drunken sailors on new branches of Govt or bailing out their friends all the time.
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stupid thread. Won't happen. It would take Obama being extremely very low in the polls for an extended time. newsmax, lol....
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stupid thread. Won't happen. It would take Obama being extremely very low in the polls for an extended time. newsmax, lol....
Or an intern scandal or Godfather 2 type scene with Senator Geery.
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his ego might be what forces him to retire.
if he KNOWS he will lose - and his legacy could be that he *chooses* to leave on top after accomplishing more lib legislation than any single president in history - he might just go for it. Heck, if Bush had faked illness in 2004, let the hero Rudy Guiliani run and win...
He would have taken away that anti-Bush sentiment, and Bush would be remembered as the champ that nailed down 2 awesome wars and had the economy steaming, before bowing out. Rudy would have won in 08 as well, probably.
Obama can take away the anti-obama momentum. (Same way Mccain might have won, if he had forced palin to bow out, and ended that moderate anti-palin vote in 08)
You obviously still dont understand Obama.He thinks he is a christ like figure.He thinks when he speaks people fall over.He would find it impossible to ever think Hillary could beat him,plus he doesnt like the Clintons.Maybe if Sharpton was running,but not for a cracker.
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You obviously still dont understand Obama.He thinks he is a christ like figure.He thinks when he speaks people fall over.He would find it impossible to ever think Hillary could beat him,plus he doesnt like the Clintons.Maybe if Sharpton was running,but not for a cracker.
Thank God we have you to understand him and explain it to us!!! ::)
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She couldn't beat him anyways. I doubt there's anyone in politics more disliked than the Clintons were. He just happened to be a great politician which she is not.
I used to think Hillary was too polarizing to be elected, and I still believe that, but I can see her mounting a serious challenge to Obama in the primary if the economy is the same (or worse).
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I used to think Hillary was too polarizing to be elected, and I still believe that, but I can see her mounting a serious challenge to Obama in the primary if the economy is the same (or worse).
Hillary would win hands down IMHO. Not even close.
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Hillary would win hands down IMHO. Not even close.
How do you think Hilary would do against newt? How about against a Palin?
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How do you think Hilary would do against newt? How about against a Palin?
At this point, I think Hillary would beat both.
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At this point, I think Hillary would beat both.
yeah, me too. I think Newt would wreck Obama. I think palin would lose to obama. Correct or not, a large number of people believe her to be an idiot. People will choose the marginally competent they know (obama) over her. Just about anyone else would have a great chance against obama.
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yeah, me too. I think Newt would wreck Obama. I think palin would lose to obama. Correct or not, a large number of people believe her to be an idiot. People will choose the marginally competent they know (obama) over her. Just about anyone else would have a great chance against obama.
Who the hell knows at this point. I do like Christie's style but think nationwide a calm, rational, reasonable, decent looking guy like Thune would play best.
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Clinton Fan Releases First Hillary 2012 Ad
By Stephen Clark
Published September 03, 2010 | FoxNews.com
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton insists she's not running for president in 2012, but that hasn't stopped one of her supporters from rolling out a wishful ad.
William DeJean, a Chicago dentist, says he spent $3,000 to create the first "Hillary 2012" ad, and another $2,000 to begin airing it in New Orleans on Wednesday.
DeJean said the ad will also air in Washington, New York and Los Angeles in the next few days. He said he hopes the ad will give Clinton an incentive to run.
"In my opinion, we need the Clintons back in the White House to fix this country," he told FoxNews.com. "I don't think we're going in the right direction. I don't like this administration. I think they're ruining the Democratic Party."
"My ad is expressing what everyone is thinking," he added.
The ad is a 30-second ode of pure adulation, with a portrait of Clinton rotating to symphonic music.
"She has more experience working in and with the White House than most living presidents," the caption reads. "She is one of the most admired women in our nation's history. Let's make sure the president we should have elected in 2008 will be on the ballot in 2012."
The ad ends by urging viewers to start now, and it displays a slogan: "Where there's a Hill, there's a way."
Clinton was widely considered the heavy favorite to win the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, but she failed to muster the votes she needed to defeat upstart candidate Barack Obama. When Obama beat Sen. John McCain in the general election, he offered Clinton the secretary of state job.
Clinton has given no indication since Obama moved into the White House that she has an appetite for another presidential bid, and she has repeatedly batted down speculation that she'll run again. But a Rasmussen poll in June showed 57 percent of voters believe Clinton is qualified to be president, compared with 51 percent for Obama.
"There's a lot of buyer's remorse with Obama," DeJean said. "I believe Hillary Clinton is the man for the job. If we don't get the Clintons back in the White House, I don't see a future for this country."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/03/clinton-fan-releases-hillary-ad/?test=latestnews
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This is something the repubs DO NOT want.
Clinton 2012 ticket - with obama retiring, whatever - would mean the dems probably win the 2012 election and maybe win back some seats. Without that anti-obama vote to motivate repubs... yikes.
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I'd take Clinton over Obama 100 times out of 100.
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I'd take Clinton over Obama 100 times out of 100.
sounds like the majority of voters agree with you.
I'd like to see these polled matchups:
Obama vs Palin 2012
Hilary vs Palin 2012
Methinks they'll be doing internal surveys like this shortly... and once the writing is on the wall, that Obama is gonna lose and hilary would probably win, and if Palin continues to be the frontrunner, I could really see a move like this happening. Obama doesn't need the money, and his ego might be saved by retiring after 1 term instead of getting beaten by a Palin.
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I'd take Clinton over Obama 100 times out of 100.
I don't like Hillary, but I have to agree.
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sounds like the majority of voters agree with you.
I'd like to see these polled matchups:
Obama vs Palin 2012
Hilary vs Palin 2012
Methinks they'll be doing internal surveys like this shortly... and once the writing is on the wall, that Obama is gonna lose and hilary would probably win, and if Palin continues to be the frontrunner, I could really see a move like this happening. Obama doesn't need the money, and his ego might be saved by retiring after 1 term instead of getting beaten by a Palin.
You're right. Obama's money-making future is well secured at this point. It's just a matter of whether he wants another term or not and who the Repubs run (anyone but Palin if they don't want to gift-wrap him the election).
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he could be elected head of the UN in a landslide in a few years if he so chose. The world loves him still. His 'resume' would include all the major legislation he's nailed down (as lib as it may be)... healthcare, finreg, stim bill, maybe even amnesty before he's done. or crap/trade.
Clinton would probably beat just about any GOP offering in 2012... hell, many repubs already voted for her thanks to rush, and steele's praise of her can't help. Clinton rules USA for 8 years, Obama takes over UN, and far-right repubs in the USA shit their pants.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, the US needs to leave the UN immediately.
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Obama-Clinton 2012?
By: CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser
(CNN) - So what if Secretary of State Hillary Clinton launched a primary challenge against President Barack Obama for the Democratic party's 2012 presidential nomination?
Yes, that's highly unlikely. But what if?
Well, Gallup asked the question, and their new poll, released Thursday, indicates that 52 percent of Democrats or Independents who lean towards the Democrats would back Obama in such a hypothetical primary contest, with 37 percent supporting Clinton and one in ten not holding an opinion.
The survey suggests an education divide, with two-thirds of college graduates backing Obama but non-college graduates divided between the president and the secretary of state. According to the poll, more than six in ten self-described liberals back Obama, with Clinton holding a plurality among those who consider themselves conservative Democrats.
A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey conducted in early August indicated that nearly three-quarters of Democrats said that Obama deserved to be re-nominated. That's 17 points higher than the 57 percent of Democrats in 1994 who said that President Bill Clinton should be re-nominated in 1996.
The Gallup poll was conducted September 25-26, with 859 Democrats and Independent leaning Democrats questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus four percentage points.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/30/poll-obama-clinton-2012/#more-125831
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If the GOP doesn't run Palin, and the dems don't run Clinton, the next President will be a member of the Grand Old Party.
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I want Palin to win.
No joke.
I am serious.
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If the GOP doesn't run Palin, and the dems don't run Clinton, the next President will be a member of the Grand Old Party.
yep yep
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Admit it 240, until I used the phrase "Grand Old Party", you had no idea what GOP meant.
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Admit it 240, until I used the phrase "Grand Old Party", you had no idea what GOP meant.
I thought it stood for "Greedy Old People".
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I thought it stood for "Greedy Old People".
Zing ::)
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Dick Morris: GOP Midterm Rout Will Spark Obama Challengers
Friday, 29 Oct 2010
By: Jim Meyers
Veteran political analyst and best-selling author Dick Morris tells Newsmax that President Barack Obama will be vulnerable to a primary challenge from the left in 2012 — and that challenge could come from Hillary Clinton.
Morris also says he remains confident that Republicans can capture the 10 Senate seats they need to take control — and believes his “fantasy” of the GOP winning 100 House seats could come true.
In an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV, Morris says a resounding Republican victory in the midterm elections appears “more and more likely each day. I don’t know a single Republican candidate whose poll I have looked at in the last day or two who is not three or four points better than they were two or three days ago.
“Trend happens at the very end, and you’re really seeing a Republican trend kicking in — a brand new one for the downscale voters who are just beginning to decide, and it’s pretty remarkable.”
He adds: “I predict that as a result of these elections, Obama will get a Democratic primary from the left. I wonder if a Dennis Kucinich may not run against him in that race, assuming he hangs on to his House seat. I think Obama is very vulnerable right now to a challenge from the left.
“If the left-wing challenge gets traction, [Hillary Clinton] might at that point jump in. It’s eerily similar to 1968. The part of Lyndon Johnson is played by Barack Obama. The part of Bobby Kennedy is played by Hillary Clinton. And the part of Eugene McCarthy, who softens it up and tests the territory, might be played by Kucinich or somebody like that.”
Asked why he is among the few analysts who insist Republicans will win 10 seats in the Senate, Morris says: “Right now we have leads in nine of the 10 seats that we need, and in the tenth, West Virginia, the Republicans are coming on strong.
“I think that the current polls are all three points too pro-Democrat, because they’re using turnout models that are really based on the '08 election, and that’s an unduly Democratic sample. So I believe we’re going to win the Senate.”
Among the Senate races generally considered tossups, Morris predicts Republican victories in Colorado (Ken Buck), Illinois (Mark Kirk), Pennsylvania (Pat Toomey) and Washington (Dino Rossi).
In Nevada, Republican Sharron Angle has “for the last two to three weeks had a three- or four-point lead, ever since she clobbered Reid in the debate,” Morris points out, “and I think that’s going to hold up.”
John Raese would have to win in West Virginia if Republicans are going to win 10 seats, “and that is the one that at the moment could go either way,” Morris observes.
He also says he would not write off a win in California by Carly Fiorina over incumbent Sen. Barbara Boxer, since Boxer is only three points ahead, nor would he write off Connecticut or Delaware, where he says Christine O’Donnell was 23 points behind her Democratic opponent and is now only 10 behind.
Asked if he is predicting that Republicans will win 100 seats in the House, Morris tells Newsmax: “I’m not predicting 100, I’m predicting 60 to 80. But I fantasize 100, and I think that fantasy may come true.”
Morris believes that 60 new House seats are firmly in the hands of the GOP, and he is working with a group called superpacusa.com to help Republican House candidates vying for 24 other seats, including the one held by longtime Rep. Barney Frank in Massachusetts, whom Morris considers vulnerable.
“I believe we’re going to succeed in a lot of those races, and I think [the total gain] may end up being north of 80,” he says.
Morris sees the midterm elections as a referendum on the president and his policies, and a resonating of the tea party message of smaller government and lower spending, plus one other factor: A referendum on Congress.
“People saw this year Congress up close and personal,” he observes.
“We actually saw a law being passed really up close, and we saw all the deals and all the shenanigans that went on. So Congress has a low rating and I think that has a lot to do with it.”
Morris says the attempt by Bill Clinton to convince Democrat Kendrick Meek to drop out of the Senate race in Florida against Republican Marco Rubio and independent Charlie Crist will actually help Rubio.
“Crist showed his true colors when he coordinated with the Obama White House in their efforts to get Clinton to get Meek to pull out of the race. That really shows that we have two Democratic candidates and only one Republican.”
Morris adds that he would like to know what Meek was offered to pull out of the race, and hopes a Republican committee will ultimately issue subpoenas to find out.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/dick-morris-midterm-elections/2010/10/29/id/375353
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Newsmax Poll: Hillary Would Defeat Obama by 20 Points
Sunday, 07 Nov 2010
Hillary Clinton would trounce fellow Democrat President Barack Obama by a 20-percentage-point margin in a head-to-head race for the presidency, according to a Newsmax/SurveyUSA poll conducted after Tuesday’s midterm elections.
Newsmax conducted the survey to find out how several well-known political and celebrity figures, ranging from Clinton, Sarah Palin, and Bill Gates to Warren Buffett, Donald Trump, and Glenn Beck, would fare if they ran against Obama for the White House.
The survey of 1,000 registered voters was conducted Nov. 3-4, after Republicans won the House and gained six seats in the Senate — results widely interpreted as a rejection of Obama and raising questions about whom the Democrats might field as a candidate in 2012.
In the poll, respondents were asked: “If there were an election for president of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, whom would you vote for?”
The poll found that, overall, 60 percent of respondents chose Secretary of State Clinton, while 40 percent chose Obama.
There was virtually no difference between male and female respondents in the poll — 60 percent of women and 59 percent of men chose Clinton over Obama.
Older voters were more likely to vote for Clinton — 67 percent of respondents 65 and older and 60 percent of those 50 to 64 chose Clinton. But even among the youngest age group that was considered solid Obama territory, 18- to 34-year-olds, a majority of 54 percent opted for Clinton.
Clinton also polled strongly among Hispanic voters (55 percent), independents (60 percent), Republicans (74 percent) and conservatives (82 percent).
Obama polled strongest among blacks (65 percent) and liberals (55 percent).
Clinton has said in recent interviews that she has no plans to run for president again and seemingly ruled out such a bid until 2016. But there has been talk — fueled partly by her fellow Democrats’ losses in the midterm elections — that she might embark on a new race, and the Newsmax poll suggests she could pose a serious challenge to Obama in 2012.
“These numbers underscore President Obama’s challenges going forward as he faces the final two years of his term and begins gearing up for his re-election effort,” Democratic pollster and Fox News commentator Doug Schoen told Newsmax.
“The re-election prospects of President Obama have only been made more difficult by the Democrats’ drubbing in this week’s midterm elections.”
Not all potential Democratic presidential candidates fared as well against Obama in the Newsmax poll, however.
Retiring Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana has stockpiled more than $10 million in campaign cash he could use to challenge Obama for the nomination in 2012.
But in the Newsmax survey, Obama outpolled Bayh 59 percent to 41 percent.
Obama fared strongly among women (65 percent), young voters aged 18 to 34 (62 percent), blacks (75 percent), liberals (87 percent), and most importantly, Democrats (84 percent).
Newsmax will reveal other results of hypothetical races between Obama and other famous Americans in the coming days.
SurveyUSA is an independent research company that conducts public opinion polls for media and academic institutions, and conducts private market research for commercial clients and nonprofit organizations.
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/hillary-clinton-barack-obama/2010/11/07/id/376266
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Hillary is not going to run - I think it might be a Dean or Feingold or someone like that.
If the GOP is smart enough to run Thune - I predict now - the GOP wins by about 10 points at least, plus gains the senate by far.
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Hillary will run if she sees a legit opportunity to win. She's an opportunist.
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GOP is running AGAINST OBAMA In 2012.
If he retired and handed it to Hilary... she'd probably win. She'd have a much better chance against Repubs than Obama would...
One and done: To be a great president, Obama should not seek reelection in 2012
By Douglas E. Schoen and Patrick H. Caddell
Sunday, November 14, 2010;
President Obama must decide now how he wants to govern in the two years leading up to the 2012 presidential election.
In recent days, he has offered differing visions of how he might approach the country's problems. At one point, he spoke of the need for "mid-course corrections." At another, he expressed a desire to take ideas from both sides of the aisle. And before this month's midterm elections, he said he believed that the next two years would involve "hand-to-hand combat" with Republicans, whom he also referred to as "enemies."
It is clear that the president is still trying to reach a resolution in his own mind as to what he should do and how he should do it.
This is a critical moment for the country. From the faltering economy to the burdensome deficit to our foreign policy struggles, America is suffering a widespread sense of crisis and anxiety about the future. Under these circumstances, Obama has the opportunity to seize the high ground and the imagination of the nation once again, and to galvanize the public for the hard decisions that must be made. The only way he can do so, though, is by putting national interests ahead of personal or political ones.
To that end, we believe Obama should announce immediately that he will not be a candidate for reelection in 2012.
If the president goes down the reelection road, we are guaranteed two years of political gridlock, at a time when we can ill afford it. But by explicitly saying he will be a one-term president, Obama can deliver on his central campaign promise of 2008, draining the poison from our culture of polarization and ending the resentment and division that have eroded our national identity and common purpose.
We do not come to this conclusion lightly. But it is clear, we believe, that the president has largely lost the consent of the governed. The midterm elections were effectively a referendum on the Obama presidency. And even if it was not an endorsement of a Republican vision for America, the drubbing the Democrats took was certainly a vote of no confidence in Obama and his party. The president has almost no credibility left with Republicans and little with independents.
The best way for him to address both our national challenges and the serious threats to his credibility and stature is to make clear that, for the next two years, he will focus exclusively on the problems we face as Americans, rather than the politics of the moment - or of the 2012 campaign.
Quite simply, given our political divisions and economic problems, governing and campaigning have become incompatible. Obama can and should dispense with the pollsters, the advisers, the consultants and the strategists who dissect all decisions and judgments in terms of their impact on the president's political prospects.
Obama himself once said to Diane Sawyer: "I'd rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president." He now has the chance to deliver on that idea.
In the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama spoke repeatedly of his desire to end the red-state-blue-state divisions in America and to change the way Washington works. This was a central reason he was elected; such aspirations struck a deep chord with the polarized electorate.
Obama can restore the promise of the election by forging a government of national unity, bringing business leaders, Republicans and independents into the fold. But if he is to bring Democrats and Republicans together, the president cannot be seen as an advocate of a particular party, but as somebody who stands above politics, seeking to forge consensus. And yes, the United States will need nothing short of consensus if we are to reduce the deficit and get spending under control, to name but one issue.
Forgoing another term would not render Obama a lame duck. Paradoxically, it would grant him much greater leverage with Republicans and would make it harder for opponents such as Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) - who has flatly asserted that his highest priority is to make Obama a one-term president - to be uncooperative.
And for Democrats such as current Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) - who has said that entitlement reform is dead on arrival - the president's new posture would make it much harder to be inflexible. Given the influence of special interests on the Democratic Party, Obama would be much more effective as a figure who could remain above the political fray. Challenges such as boosting economic growth and reducing the deficit are easier to tackle if you're not constantly worrying about the reactions of senior citizens, lobbyists and public employee unions.
Moreover, if the president were to demonstrate a clear degree of bipartisanship, it would force the Republicans to meet him halfway. If they didn't, they would look intransigent, as the GOP did in 1995 and 1996, when Bill Clinton first advocated a balanced budget. Obama could then go to the Democrats for tough cuts to entitlements and look to the Republicans for difficult cuts on defense.
On foreign policy, Obama could better make hard decisions about Iran, North Korea and Afghanistan based on what is reasonable and responsible for the United States, without the political constraints - real or imagined - of a looming election. He would be able to deal with a Democratic constituency that wants to get out of Afghanistan immediately and a Republican constituency that is committed to winning the war, forging a middle way that responds not to the electoral calendar but to the facts on the ground.
If the president adopts our suggestion, both sides will be forced to compromise. The alternative, we fear, will put the nation at greater risk. While we believe that Obama can be reelected, to do so he will have to embark on a scorched-earth campaign of the type that President George W. Bush ran in the 2002 midterms and the 2004 presidential election, which divided Americans in ways that still plague us.
Obama owes his election in large measure to the fact that he rejected this approach during his historic campaign. Indeed, we were among those millions of Democrats, Republicans and independents who were genuinely moved by his rhetoric and purpose. Now, the only way he can make real progress is to return to those values and to say that for the good of the country, he will not be a candidate in 2012.
Should the president do that, he - and the country - would face virtually no bad outcomes. The worst-case scenario for Obama? In January 2013, he walks away from the White House having been transformative in two ways: as the first black president, yes, but also as a man who governed in a manner unmatched by any modern leader. He will have reconciled the nation, continued the economic recovery, gained a measure of control over the fiscal problems that threaten our future, and forged critical solutions to our international challenges. He will, at last, be the unifying figure globally he has sought to be, and will almost certainly leave a better regarded president than he is today. History will look upon him kindly - and so will the public.
It is no secret that we have been openly critical of the president in recent days, but we make this proposal with the deepest sincerity and hope for him and for the country.
We have both advised presidents facing great national crises and have seen challenges from inside the Oval Office. We are convinced that if Obama immediately declares his intention not to run for reelection, he will be able to unite the country, provide national and international leadership, escape the hold of the left, isolate the right and achieve results that would be otherwise unachievable.
Patrick H. Caddell, who was a pollster and senior adviser to President Jimmy Carter, is a political commentator. Douglas E. Schoen, a pollster who worked for President Bill Clinton, is the author of "Mad as Hell: How the Tea Party Movement Is Fundamentally Remaking Our Two-Party System."
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I think it's possible she runs.
61% Say Clinton Could Beat Obama in 2012
Wednesday, 28 Jul 2010
If President Obama were to face a challenge in 2012, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is best poised to take him on, according to a new Washington Whispers poll.
Some 61 percent said Clinton, a 2008 primary challenger to Obama when she was a New York senator, could beat the president in a primary, according to Paul Bedard at U.S. News & World Report's Washington Whispers.
Clinton, who's very popular in her current role, has suggested that she doesn't plan to serve two four-year terms as secretary of state and also that she doesn't want to run for the presidency again. She is still trying to retire her 2008 campaign debt, reportedly at less than $1 million.
See the entire poll at USNews.com
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/obama-clinton-poll-2012-hillary-wins/2010/07/28/id/365933
agreed
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Left herself plenty of room to run.
Clinton: I'm not running for president
By: CNN's Gabriella Schwarz
(CNN) - Secretary Of State Hillary Clinton is not running for president - just ask her.
"I am not in any way interested in or pursuing anything in elected office," Clinton said on "Fox News Sunday."
Clinton laughed off speculation that she might run for president in 2012.
"I love what I'm doing," Clinton said. "I can't tell you what it's like… to every day get to represent the United States."
She said she feels strongly about "every issue, from START to Afghanistan."
But her repeated claims that she won't run for office again have done little to quell the talk that she might challenge President Barack Obama in the next election.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/21/clinton-im-not-running-for-president/#more-136486
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If the GOP is smart enough to run Thune -
They will not be. YOU are personally one of the most educated political people I (sorta) know. And YOU voted for Romney over Ron Paul in 2008, claiming you never heard of Romneycare - even thought Rudy brought it up repeatedly in debates.
So if YOU can be duped into choosing a RINO lib medical socialist like Romney over a common sense solution like Paul (very possibly because FOX swayed you into thinking Paul was "not viable", as if Mcain was)....
Then I think the GOP voters are at the mercy of FOX. And I think it's worth more for them to put up a Huck, a Newt, or a Palin - their former employees, over a guy like thune.
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They will not be. YOU are personally one of the most educated political people I (sorta) know. And YOU voted for Romney over Ron Paul in 2008, claiming you never heard of Romneycare - even thought Rudy brought it up repeatedly in debates.
So if YOU can be duped into choosing a RINO lib medical socialist like Romney over a common sense solution like Paul (very possibly because FOX swayed you into thinking Paul was "not viable", as if McCain was)....
Then I think the GOP voters are at the mercy of FOX. And I think it's worth more for them to put up a Huck, a Newt, or a Palin - their former employees, over a guy like thune.
240 you've been wrong about everything else that has happened politically from 2008- now. Why are you going to be right this time? (although I kind of agree with you because the GOP was dumb enough to run Palin last time)
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240 you've been wrong about everything else that has happened politically from 2008- now. Why are you going to be right this time? (although I kind of agree with you because the GOP was dumb enough to run Palin last time)
I watched a ton of FOX during that primary season. I remember hannity scoffing at Ron paul's "wins" in the debates - accusing his fans of somehow rigging the internet voting. I remember paul getting a ton of applause during the debates. If I had to guess, I'd say a large number of people viewing the debates liked him.
hannity made many comments bashing paul and working to minimize his followers. People like beach Bum continually repeated "RPaul isn't viable!" I believe there was a connection there. I think if hannity had not mocked paul, he might have finished much higher.
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Ok, that I don't agree with you about. I like RP, but I would never vote for him as prez. He's great for America, but not in the big seat. Hannity or no Hannity, most people-- even most conservatives agree with me.
I just feel like the GOP may over play its hand. A national election victory after GW Bush is going to require more than name recognition and nice tits. She's unqualified, polarizing and has a laundry list of gaffes, scandals and embarrassing moments attached to her name. Thune is the kind of guy who is likeable, articulate and can appeal to independents (who are the X factor in winning any presidential election these days). Many Americans may not know who he is, but I dont think that is a bad thing. He has plenty of time to introduce himself. And after Barry Baraka I think many Americans are going to think twice before being charmed by a flashy con man who can give a great speech but couldn't run a whorehouse in Amsterdam.
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Ok, that I don't agree with you about. I like RP, but I would never vote for him as prez. He's great for America, but not in the big seat. Hannity or no Hannity, most people-- even most conservatives agree with me.
I just feel like the GOP may over play its hand. A national election victory after GW Bush is going to require more than name recognition and nice tits. She's unqualified, polarizing and has a laundry list of gaffes, scandals and embarrassing moments attached to her name. Thune is the kind of guy who is likeable, articulate and can appeal to independents (who are the X factor in winning any presidential election these days). Many Americans may not know who he is, but I dont think that is a bad thing. He has plenty of time to introduce himself. And after Barry Baraka I think many Americans are going to think twice before being charmed by a flashy con man who can give a great speech but couldn't run a whorehouse in Amsterdam.
LOL! I respect your honesty about Palin. Maybe people think if you don't support palin, you support obama. it's entirely possible to think they're both idiots.
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"I think," "I'll probably . . . ." Still leaving herself room to run.
What's next for Clinton?
By: CNN's Gabriella Schwarz
(CNN) - Hillary Clinton is adamant that she's not running for president in 2012, but she's now saying that being secretary of state will be her last job in government.
"I think I'll serve as secretary of state as my last public position," Clinton said Friday at an event in Bahrain. "Then (I'll) probably go back to advocacy work, particularly on behalf of women and children, and particularly around the world."
At the event with local college students, she again said she will not launch a challenge to President Barack Obama, but the comments mark the first time she's elaborated on her plans for the future.
The former first lady and New York senator, faced off with Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008 before becoming his chief diplomat.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/03/whats-next-for-clinton/#more-138032
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"I think," "I'll probably . . . ." Still leaving herself room to run.
What's next for Clinton?
By: CNN's Gabriella Schwarz
(CNN) - Hillary Clinton is adamant that she's not running for president in 2012, but she's now saying that being secretary of state will be her last job in government.
"I think I'll serve as secretary of state as my last public position," Clinton said Friday at an event in Bahrain. "Then (I'll) probably go back to advocacy work, particularly on behalf of women and children, and particularly around the world."
At the event with local college students, she again said she will not launch a challenge to President Barack Obama, but the comments mark the first time she's elaborated on her plans for the future.
The former first lady and New York senator, faced off with Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008 before becoming his chief diplomat.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/03/whats-next-for-clinton/#more-138032
I doubt that, she'll probably run again down the road
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I doubt that, she'll probably run again down the road
She has a very small window of opportunity, so down the road has to be either 2012 or at the very latest 2016.
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She has a very small window of opportunity, so down the road has to be either 2012 or at the very latest 2016.
My CT side f me says she knows far mre damaging info is abot to hit from wikileak and she knows she is finished.
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My CT side f me says she knows far mre damaging info is abot to hit from wikileak and she knows she is finished.
Perhaps.
On the other hand, with Obama being so wounded she has as good a chance as anyone to make a strong primary challenge.
I do find it strange that he hasn't spoken on this issue yet. Maybe he is intentionally letting her twist in the wind?
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Perhaps.
On the other hand, with Obama being so wounded she has as good a chance as anyone to make a strong primary challenge.
I do find it strange that he hasn't spoken on this issue yet. Maybe he is intentionally letting her twist in the wind?
I think a guy like Howard Dean would play well in a primary.
I may not agree on issues wuith him, but you always know whre you stand with him.
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I think a guy like Howard Dean would play well in a primary.
I may not agree on issues wuith him, but you always know whre you stand with him.
Yeeeeee......haaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!
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I think a guy like Howard Dean would play well in a primary.
I may not agree on issues wuith him, but you always know whre you stand with him.
I think he's done. The scream did him in.
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Yeeeeee......haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!
lol :)
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Clinton: ‘Below zero’ chance at challenging Obama
By: CNN's Dan Merica
Washington (CNN) - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says there is a "below zero" chance that she will challenge President Barack Obama for the presidency in 2012.
In an interview with CNN's Alison Kosik on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, the former senator from New York said she is happy with her current job.
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"One of the great things about being Secretary of State is I am out of politics," Clinton said. "I have a big job to do and I am honored to do it everyday."
When Kosik asked if she would ever get back into politics, Clinton said she had the same feelings.
"I don't think so. I think I am going to stay focused on doing what I can to make sure that we continue to lead the world," Clinton said.
Former Vice President Dick Cheney, possibly in an attempt to needle Democrats, said in a recent interview with ABC News that it was "not a bad idea" for Clinton to challenge Obama.
"I am not interested in being drawn back into it [politics] by anybody," said Clinton.
In the past, Clinton has also indicated that she would like secretary of state to be last her job in government.
"I think I'll serve as secretary of state as my last public position," Clinton said at a 2010 event in Bahrain. "Then (I'll) probably go back to advocacy work, particularly on behalf of women and children, and particularly around the world."
She told CNN’s Wolf Blizter earlier this year that if the president is re-elected she does not want to serve a second term.
Clinton and Obama fought well into overtime in a historic battle for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination. Since then there have been rumors that Clinton might want to primary challenge Obama in 2012, but she has consistently knocked down such talk.
–CNN's Gabriella Schwarz contributed to this report
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/09/clinton-‘below-zero’-chance-at-challenging-obama/
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Poll: Americans optimistic about Hillary Clinton presidency
By: CNN Producer Gabriella Schwarz
(CNN) - She lost the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, but over a third of Americans said the U.S. would be better off now if Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were president, according to a new poll.
The Bloomberg survey released Friday showed 34 percent of those questioned said America would be superior under a Hillary Clinton administration, while 47 percent said it would be about the same and 13 percent said it would be worse.
A quarter of respondents held similar wishful thoughts in a July poll.
Clinton remains the most popular American political figure with nearly two-thirds of Americans holding a favorable view of the former first lady and New York senator. Half of the respondents felt the same way about President Barack Obama, who received the lowest job approval rating of his presidency, at 45 percent.
Clinton has said publicly she will not seek elected office after her four-year term as America's top diplomat ends in 2012, shooting down speculation she might run for president in the future.
On the Republican side of the aisle, presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Rick Perry grabbed the top spots among Republican and Republican-leaning independent voters when asked who they would choose next election. The two were also among the most likeable in the GOP field, among all Americans.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Romney received a 42 percent favorability rating while rivals Texas Gov. Perry and Rep. Ron Paul of Texas garnered 32 percent. Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich received a 28 percent rating and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, who is still mulling a bid for the White House, came in at 26 percent.
When asked who they would vote for in 2012, 29 percent said they would definitely vote for Obama, 43 percent said they would definitely vote for another candidate and 21 percent said they would consider voting for another candidate.
The poll surveyed 997 adults between Sept. 9 and Sept. 12 with a sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/16/poll-americans-optimistic-about-hillary-clinton-presidency/?hpt=hp_t2
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The Demo marxist pofs primary voters are solely to blame for this mess.
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The Demo marxist pofs primary voters are solely to blame for this mess.
Hey Comrade,
if you've got a problem with democracy then move to China
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Hey Comrade,
if you've got a problem with democracy then move to China
You douchebags could have voted for Hillary and avoided this disaster.
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You douchebags could have voted for Hillary and avoided this disaster.
that's how democracy works
if you don't like it then feel free to leave
otherwise STFU
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Obama Lost the Jews, Hillary Clinton is Next
The Root Rant ^ | 9/14/2011 | Wayne Root
By Wayne Allyn Root, Former Libertarian Vice Presidential Nominee
It’s all over for Mr. Obama. He is a one-term President, destined to go down in the record books as the man who presided over a second Great Depression, the destruction of the middle class, and the loss of America’s Triple A credit rating. The proof is found in the historic, almost unimaginable, GOP victory in Anthony Weiner’s old Congressional district in Queens. Yes, I said Queens- as in New York City. Heavily Democratic, heavily liberal Jewish, Queens, New York. The center of blue-collar white Democratic Party power. Republican Bob Turner pulled off one of the biggest upsets in U.S. political history there last night. He became the first Republican elected from this heavily Jewish Democratic Queens, NY district since 1923.
There are no excuses. In a district that is 40% Jewish and filled with Orthodox Jews, a 70-year old Catholic Republican upset a Orthodox Jewish Democrat from a prominent Queens political family. Democrats pulled out every stop. Big labor campaigned day and night for the Democrat. Former President Bill Clinton and popular New York Governor Andrew Cuomo lent their voices to get-out-the-vote robo-calls to Democratic voters. And none of it mattered. The Jews have abandoned Obama.
The average voter doesn’t understand the “inside Baseball” of politics. But here is the “Monarch Notes” of the GOP’s historic victory. First, the anger of white middle class voters towards Obama is boiling over across the country. If Obama has lost Jewish support in Queens, he’s lost support from white middle class voters everywhere. Second, Obama’s mishandling of the economy is destroying the middle class, and even lifelong Democrats in Queens, NY are feeling the pain (and clearly seeing Obama’s incompetence). But this picture is incomplete.
Here’s the big reason for this historic GOP victory that few outside New York understand: This race really was about much more than the economy or jobs. Sure those issues were a constant backdrop. But in the end, it was about common sense issues for Jewish voters: Israel and the Mosque at Ground Zero. Jewish voters are outraged at how Obama has treated Israel; disgusted with Obama’s support of the Palestinians, led by terror groups; and shocked by the support of both Obama and the losing Democratic Congressional candidate for the Mosque at Ground Zero.
The heroes of this once-in-a-century historic upset are former New York Mayor Ed Koch and the Republican Jewish Coalition, both of whom worked hard to spread one simple but powerful message to Jewish voters: “Send a message to Obama that Israel is America’s best friend, and you do not accept the way Obama has treated Israel.” The Jewish voters of Queens were told by Koch and the Republican Jewish Coalition that there was only one way to send this message- elect a Republican Congressman for the first time in modern history.
Message sent. Game. Set. Match.
But it wasn’t just Obama who heard the message. It was Hillary Clinton too. Hillary now knows Obama is weak and vulnerable…among Democrats. And among Jewish Democrats who have loyally voted Democrat their entire lifetimes. If the Jews have abandoned Obama, turn out the lights and close the door behind this President.
This political pundit predicted on Fox News Channel over 18 months ago that Hillary Clinton would challenge and defeat President Obama in a Presidential primary in 2012, once voters experienced the carnage wreckage of the economy under a socialist President. I believe Hillary is weighing her options at this very moment. She now knows that blue-collar white Democratic voters across America have broken with Obama. The Jews are the final straw that broke the camel’s back. It is now clear that in places filled with white blue-collar voters- like Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania and Texas- Hillary could defeat Obama in a Presidential primary- just as I predicted 18 months ago.
Only one thing is holding Hillary back from a decision to jump into the race. I believe she is concerned with political strategy. She now knows she can defeat Obama in a Democratic primary. Her only concern is the loss of black voters for the general election. If black voters see Hillary as a back-stabber of their beloved Obama, and sit on their hands for the 2012 general election, Hillary cannot possibly defeat her Republican opponent. That is the debate now raging in Hillary’s camp of political advisors. Her question is simple- Is there a way to defeat Obama but still retain the support of black Democratic voters for the general election? If Hillary and her advisers can come up with a positive answer, she will soon announce that she is running against the incumbent Democratic occupant of the White House for President of the United States.
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333 - instead of blaming others why don't you blame your own party for running such a weak ticket last time
and while you're at it you should pray to the baby jeebus they can field a better candidate this time
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333 - instead of blaming others why don't you blame your own party for running such a weak ticket last time
and while you're at it you should pray to the baby jeebus they can field a better candidate this time
1. I voted for Romney in the primary
2. Casey Anthony will beat obama at this point.
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1. I voted for Romney in the primary
2. Casey Anthony will beat obama at this point.
keep telling yourself that
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keep telling yourself that
You are right - maybe I should have included Samantha knox
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You are right - maybe I should have included Samantha knox
Hilary has said she will not seek elected office after her four year term as Secretary of State
you're just adding more to the list that you'll be crying about later
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Hilary has said she will not seek elected office after her four year term as Secretary of State
you're just adding more to the list that you'll be crying about later
At the rate the Lightsquared, solynadra, and F&F, are raging - Hillary will be drafted and obama will come down w lung cancer and wont run.
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At the rate the Lightsquared, solynadra, and F&F, are raging - Hillary will be drafted and obama will come down w lung cancer and wont run.
ok
I'm sure we'll find out soon enough