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Dr. Reefer.com here in Vegas. I have some shoulder issues from the military and don't like taking pain pills. I'm about to be legal and hey, hey, hey, smoke weed every day.
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Dr. Reefer.com here in Vegas. I have some shoulder issues from the military and don't like taking pain pills. I'm about to be legal and hey, hey, hey, smoke weed every day.
Where are you allowed to smoke it, home only?
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Dr. Reefer.com here in Vegas. I have some shoulder issues from the military and don't like taking pain pills. I'm about to be legal and hey, hey, hey, smoke weed every day.
I'm about ready to get mine for HRT.
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Yes and you can grow plants but I have no interest in doing so when we have dispenceries here.
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I'm about ready to get mine for HRT.
HUH? Weed for HRT?
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Dr. Reefer.com here in Vegas. I have some shoulder issues from the military and don't like taking pain pills. I'm about to be legal and hey, hey, hey, smoke weed every day.
Xerces will be pissed off at this.
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I'm about ready to get mine for HRT.
Yeah ok buddy ::) ::)
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Join the brothers of the world....To tell the truth if it was legal I would be tokin up a few times a week betcha on that....
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It's sad an 18+ I.D. card isn't enough when it is for alcohol and cigarettes :(
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I'm about ready to get mine for HRT.
I thought Marijuana went against your christian fundamentalist beliefs? Or your Republican beliefs?
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It's sad an 18+ I.D. card isn't enough when it is for alcohol and cigarettes :(
You can drink at 18 in the U.S.
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You can drink at 18 in the U.S.
Looks like i wasn't paying attention when typing that lol ;D
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You can drink at 18 in the U.S.
No, it's 21 in the states...it's funny, you can sign up for the army at 18 and get killed in war but you can't have a beer..lol
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No, it's 21 in the states...it's funny, you can sign up for the army at 18 and get killed in war but you can't have a beer..lol
You can be trained to kill people and kill people, but can't be trusted with a beer....
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No, it's 21 in the states...it's funny, you can sign up for the army at 18 and get killed in war but you can't have a beer..lol
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It was a joke, I meant I was starting HRT on the 15th. I haven't touched a street drug in almost 20 years and when I did I didn't like weed.
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It was a joke, I meant I was starting HRT on the 15th. I haven't touched a street drug in almost 20 years and when I did I didn't like weed.
Since it is legal to use HRT does it make it right in God's eyes to replace what he has given you...????
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It was a joke, I meant I was starting HRT on the 15th. I haven't touched a street drug in almost 20 years and when I did I didn't like weed.
so you start taking steroids again on the 15th ??
Cool ;D
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absolutely amazing piece of ass right there. i appreciate your input will.
wiggs.. getting your card is awesome, but i wouldnt shop at the dispensaries unless your getting somehitng exotic like hash oil or edibles. the regular buds are overpriced.
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I am one jealous guy. I need to get to a more progressive state.
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Since it is legal to use HRT does it make it right in God's eyes to replace what he has given you...????
Would it any different if I had high cholesterol, cancer or a heart condition that required meds to keep me healthy?
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sweet,damm
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Would it any different if I had high cholesterol, cancer or a heart condition that required meds to keep me healthy?
You know cocaine was once prescribed by doctors.....
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You know cocaine was once prescribed by doctors.....
It was also an ingredient in COCA-cola.
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how old do you have to be to qualify for HRT?
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It was also an ingredient in COCA-cola.
My point proven Coach, I am not against HRT at all...But the super conservative Christian "when I chose to be" stake that you claim has faults....It seems these days the Christians pick and chose their sins and it is all good for them to preach, yet never take their own medicine..."Let he cast the first stone that is without sin"
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how old do you have to be to qualify for HRT?
30-35 or when your test results show low test levels. 30-35 is usually when it starts to drop for the average person.
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My point proven Coach, I am not against HRT at all...But the super conservative Christian "when I chose to be" stake that you claim has faults....It seems these days the Christians pick and chose their sins and it is all good for them to preach, yet never take their own medicine..."Let he cast the first stone that is without sin"
It would make a hell of a lot worse if I were doing it for vanity but I'm not. No sin is worse than another, saved by grace not by works. Staying healthy IMO is not a sin.
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Coach, you say you've been off, what, a couple of years now? How has it felt to have close to zero test all that time? Why did you come off your HRT?
BTW, what is you test level at now?
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easy do a big cycle then get tested when you come off and you're set for legal gear!
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holy shit...!!!...way to livin up a thread bro...
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Coach, you say you've been off, what, a couple of years now? How has it felt to have close to zero test all that time? Why did you come off your HRT?
BTW, what is you test level at now?
Been off 2 1/2 years. Don't know what it's at now, get my blood panel next week when I get back from vacation, I know it's not at zero but I know it's low. When my wife got pregnant last year I got tested (can't remember what it was) but it was low.
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It would make a hell of a lot worse if I were doing it for vanity but I'm not. No sin is worse than another, saved by grace not by works. Staying healthy IMO is not a sin.
Coach I use to like you just a little bit, but this is bullshit....Many people have lived a fullfilling healthy life without HRT whats your excuse?? Being a when it suits you Christian....
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Been off 2 1/2 years. Don't know what it's at now, get my blood panel next week when I get back from vacation, I know it's not at zero but I know it's low. When my wife got pregnant last year I got tested (can't remember what it was) but it was low.
whats the normal range test levels for someone 30-35...or what is considered average &/or low?
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Coach I use to like you just a little bit, but this is bullshit....Many people have lived a fullfilling healthy life without HRT whats your excuse?? Being a when it suits you Christian....
I disagree...to each there own...If he wants to do HRT thats his prerogative...
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I disagree...to each there own...If he wants to do HRT thats his prerogative...
Than he has no right to the holier than thou posts....From his own post "every sin is equal"
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Coach I use to like you just a little bit, but this is bullshit....Many people have lived a fullfilling healthy life without HRT whats your excuse?? Being a when it suits you Christian....
Agree, but most don't know what the benefits are, people like you, me and others that have been around and studied the effects know that the good outweigh the bad when done properly. We're talking about 100-200mg every other week.
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Than he has no right to the holier than thou posts....From his own post "every sin is equal"
You think thats something I just made up?
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You think thats something I just made up?
I know its not. "For alas the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness was" I just think it is funny you pick and choose what may or may not be a sin with your God....What is considered "healthy" now may not be in 50 years what is your excuse then?? Ignorance??
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Than he has no right to the holier than thou posts....From his own post "every sin is equal"
I see where your coming from & I despise religious dogma...However I'm not sure utilizing modern chemistry equates to sin however being as i don't believe in god the point is moot...
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Agree, but most don't know what the benefits are, people like you, me and others that have been around and studied the effects know that the good outweigh the bad when done properly. We're talking about 100-200mg every other week.
But you didn't say why you came off. Why did you, you were on HRT before and HRT is for life right? Why did you choose the bad for 2.5 years? :D
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I see where your coming from & I despise religious dogma...However I'm not sure utilizing modern chemistry equates to sin however being as i don't believe in god the point is moot...
Lucky you don't, because if you did modern religion and practice would have had you killing people based on rumors within the last 200 years...All based on intolerance....Although preaching tolerance the whole time....
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I know its not. "For alas the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness was" I just think it is funny you pick and choose what may or may not be a sin with your God....What is considered "healthy" now may not be in 50 years what is your excuse then?? Ignorance??
In 50 years I'll be 98.....I'll let you know then. Dude, I'm 48 years old.
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Lucky you don't, because if you did modern religion and practice would have had you killing people based on rumors within the last 200 years...All based on intolerance....Although preaching tolerance the whole time....
You have religious nut cases out there when their kids are sick thinking they shouldn't go to a doctor for treatment then the kid winds up dieing, to me thats just flat out ridiculous.
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In 50 years I'll be 98.....I'll let you know then. Dude, I'm 48 years old.
How about 30 years ago when most steriods and most all diuretics were legal....Not a sin to use them, but to drink in excess was still a sin....Who determines how much is in excess?? If alcohol would have been invented in our era who would determine what is excess????
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Than he has no right to the holier than thou posts....From his own post "every sin is equal"
Go back read my posts, not just on this thread but others...do I seem "holier than thou" to you? If I were (or any Christian for that matter) we wouldn't be posting on this site..PERIOD! Yes, I love the Lord and am fearful, I go to church once sometimes twice per week and sometimes I miss a week. If you're a Christian you know it's IMPOSSIBLE to be perfect in your walk whether you're me or the Pastor of a church, that being said I follow as close as I can, neither you, nor me nor anyone else on this site are biblical scholars so trying to interpret scripture to fit YOUR needs to make an argument is a moot point.
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How about 30 years ago when most steriods and most all diuretics were legal....Not a sin to use them, but to drink in excess was still a sin....Who determines how much is in excess?? If alcohol would have been invented in our era who would determine what is excess????
I'm trying to understand this but here goes......seems to me that was already determined (.08 legal drunk) not sure who established that # but I would have to assume some medical studies contributed to that.
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I'm trying to understand this but here goes......seems to me that was already determined (.08 legal drunk) not sure who established that # but I would have to assume some medical studies contributed to that.
I am was saying for instance...Cocaine was seen as a remedy along with herion....What if alcohol would have just been discovered now instead of in ancient times....It would be viewed along the same lines as must harsh drugs, yet one of the least harmful drugs weed is illegal....
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so you are going to kill the only brain cells that you have left :-\
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I am was saying for instance...Cocaine was seen as a remedy along with herion....What if alcohol would have just been discovered now instead of in ancient times....It would be viewed along the same lines as must harsh drugs, yet one of the least harmful drugs weed is illegal....
Jesus liked to party... there's a reason Michael Jackson called wine 'Jesus Juice'.
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It would make a hell of a lot worse if I were doing it for vanity but I'm not. No sin is worse than another, saved by grace not by works. Staying healthy IMO is not a sin.
How exactly is steroid use not linked to vanity and low self esteem?
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How exactly is steroid use not linked to vanity and low self esteem?
When did I say that??
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It was a joke, I meant I was starting HRT on the 15th. I haven't touched a street drug in almost 20 years and when I did I didn't like weed.
what didn't you like about it?
did it make you think too much?
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Been off 2 1/2 years. Don't know what it's at now, get my blood panel next week when I get back from vacation, I know it's not at zero but I know it's low. When my wife got pregnant last year I got tested (can't remember what it was) but it was low.
you have another kid?
boy or girl?
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you have another kid?
boy or girl?
Neither, my wife miscarried at 12 weeks :'(
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Jesus liked to party... there's a reason Michael Jackson called wine 'Jesus Juice'.
I think God is down with the herb:
Anointing Oil
22 Then the LORD said to Moses, 23 "Take the following fine spices: 500 shekels [a] of liquid myrrh, half as much (that is, 250 shekels) of fragrant cinnamon, 250 shekels of fragrant cane,
"cane" = "kaneh-bosm" = cannibas
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Neither, my wife miscarried at 12 weeks :'(
oh - sorry to hear that
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thanx for answering my question coach :-\
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thanx for answering my question coach :-\
Sorry....the norm is right around 270 on the low end about a 1000ng on the high end, 5-700 is considered normal.
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I just think it is funny you pick and choose what may or may not be a sin with your God....What is considered "healthy" now may not be in 50 years what is your excuse then?? Ignorance??
Why do you believe it is a sin for The Coach to use HRT if it's legally prescribed (I assume it's illegal to use w/o a prescription) ???
"For alas the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness was"
Where is that quote from?
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Why do you believe it is a sin for The Coach to use HRT if it's legally prescribed (I assume it's illegal to use w/o a prescription) ???
Estella,
Does food being legal mean gluttony is no longer a sin?
Is it not vain to take dangerous chemicals in hopes of staying young? :)
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Estella,
Does food being legal mean gluttony is no longer a sin?
Is it not vain to take dangerous chemicals in hopes of staying young? :)
In briefly scanning Coach's last post it looks like Low Testosterone can lead to poor health. I don't know enough about HRT to say anything about it but if he needs it why is it a sin to take it legally? Does it make someone "stay young?" or stay alive/healthy?
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In briefly scanning Coach's last post it looks like Low Testosterone can lead to poor health. I don't know enough about HRT to say anything about it but if he needs it why is it a sin to take it legally? Does it make someone "stay young?" or stay alive?
Here we go, LOL!
We all know lower testosterone is a part of normal aging. We've also read the post where Coach said HRT was going to help him keep up with the kid. :) Unless levels have been unnaturally lowered by suplements HRT is essentially being used to correct what is normal for someone his age.
If someone can't handle getting older... that's fine, but be honest about it. :)
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Here we go, LOL!
We all know lower testosterone is a part of normal aging. We've also read the post where Coach said HRT was going to help him keep up with the kid. :) Unless levels have been unnaturally lowered by suplements HRT is essentially being used to correct what is normal for someone his age.
If someone can't handle getting older... that's fine, but be honest about it. :)
I guess I still don't see how it is considered a sin?
And Joe, I'm very sorry for your and your wife's loss :(
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I guess I still don't see how it is considered a sin?
And Joe, I'm very sorry for your and your wife's loss :(
Sorry for his loss, too. Miscarriages are hard.
You don't think wanting to stay young forever is vain?
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Sorry for his loss, too. Miscarriages are hard.
You don't think wanting to stay young forever is vain?
Staying young forever is impossible. Seems like he wants to stay healthy as long as possible? I don't see that as vain.
Isn't being vain more a superior state of mind due to ones looks?
Do you think it's OK if Christians dye their hair, get hair cuts, straighten/whiten their teeth w/braces etc?
vain (vn)
adj. vain·er, vain·est
3. Excessively proud of one's appearance or accomplishments; conceited.
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Staying young forever is impossible. Seems like he wants to stay healthy as long as possible? I don't see that as vain.
Isn't being vain more a superior state of mind due to ones looks?
Do you think it's OK if Christians dye their hair, get hair cuts, straighten/whiten their teeth w/braces etc?
vain (vn)
adj. vain·er, vain·est
3. Excessively proud of one's appearance or accomplishments; conceited.
The line is thin.
I'm not a born again but did learn (probably too late) you should always ask what people mean when they say "I'm born again", A christian or any other religious stuff because they're usually working from a highly personalized definition. :) There probably are Christians who feel dying the hair and other appearance modifying strategies vain.
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Sorry for his loss, too. Miscarriages are hard.
You don't think wanting to stay young forever is vain?
Thank you.
I look at vanity and wanting to stay healthy and live longer two different things, I'm not doing this to look good (although it is an added benefit) but again, more for health reasons. I guess you can call it some sort of vanity but thats not the reason. The pros FAR outweigh the cons.
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The line is thin.
I'm not a born again but did learn (probably too late) you should always ask what people mean when they say "I'm born again", A christian or any other religious stuff because they're usually working from a highly personalized definition. :) There probably are Christians who feel dying the hair and other appearance modifying strategies vain.
Yeah, I think some in denominations the women don't wear make-up or cut their hair (maybe ever)!
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I guess I still don't see how it is considered a sin?
And Joe, I'm very sorry for your and your wife's loss :(
Thank you Stella.
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Yeah, I think some in denominations the women don't wear make-up or cut their hair (maybe ever)!
Those would be same one's who don't seek out a doctor when they're sick.
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It was a joke, I meant I was starting HRT on the 15th. I haven't touched a street drug in almost 20 years and when I did I didn't like weed.
What was you street drug of choice, Coach?
The cocainea?
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What was you street drug of choice, Coach?
The cocainea?
Started with that then speed. Started when I was trying to make weight for shows, someone "here, try this" and like an idiot I did.