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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: bigmanforlife on August 08, 2010, 07:37:34 PM
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Did some research on this but could not get a good answer. Just some "hypothetically yes" since the pancreas could slow down thinking its getting insulin injected and "if used long enough" kind of crap answers. Any good evidence out there.
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Not really sure, but I have read that it doesn't. I have also heard that it is actually good for warding off diabetes, or something along the lines. Tbombz can probably clear this up. He knows a lot about insulin. If Vet was here he could also give an accurate answer.
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ya, I doubt there were any clinical trials done on this but there has to be some good information out there on it
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help from anyone??
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Well I can't devote the time to put this eloquently or back things up scientifically, but think of the way that type II diabetes is developed. It's because people don't eat properly and their bodies stop releasing insulin efficiently and appropriately. I personally think by introducing exogenous insulin during the pre-diabetes stage you may give the pancreas a chance to relax. Especially considering that bodybuilders spike insulin quite often or during a critical time such as post-workout. This is undoubtedly taxing on the body for many reasons. So if you introduce exogenous insulin then that's one less stress on the body.
Even if this does not improve insulin sensitivity and appropriation, I think that at the very least it's neutral and not something that'll actually INDUCE diabetes. Perhaps if you use insulin at huge doses haphazardly you could somehow retard your body's response to glucose and impair things.. but I don't think so. Like you said, there probably isn't much scientific research and we all know that things on paper are much different in real life, especially if we consider the doses, dosing protocols and eccentric conditions a bodybuilder's body is in (heavily muscled, crazy conditioning, tons of eccentric drugs and exogenous hormones, etc). We are pioneers in this field and anecdotal feedback and empirical data is critical.
I used a BSL monitor for about a year before I really tried slin. I used USPLabs religiously and I believe that even a supplement was able to change my insulin sensitivity and body composition in a positive way. When I tried slin extensively I learned many things too. I haven't used it consistently enough to see large gains though. I basically just use it if I train really hard and beat my body down consecutive days in a row. If I lose weight and need to fill back up again I'll use it twice a day and then the next day or two.
It's debatable to what sort of degree, but you can acquire some visceral fat too which is a concern. My insulin sensitivity is great though. For years I abstained from sugar and simple carbs while bulking up. I went from 100lbs to 165-170lbs, tried some failed oral experiments and dropped muscle and put on fat. After yo-yo dieting inconsistency and indecisively (didn't know if I wanted to bulk or cut) I finally became pretty heavily muscled and conditioned and began using real AAS. I failed with that too but have a very respectable physique and started experimenting with slin, GH and thyroid meds so I feel that I'm quite cognizant. I now eat sugar, white rice like a mother fucker, pizza, junk food, whatever. And as long as it's done within some sort of limitation I still feel that my body responds to macronutrients very favorably. If I augment my diet for optimal performance I can put on much more muscle and get myself much more conditioned than ever before. When I use something like slin it propels this even further.
I think to capitalize on the benefits of insulin you need to use some thyroid so fat gains aren't as MUCH of a concern and GH will also bring things to a new level. I'm assuming that anyone using slin is on a very good amount of AAS too, otherwise your efforts are futile. If you're off AAS then I think slin, T3 and GH are good to keep a certain degree of muscle and conditioning but it'll certainly not put a lot of new mass on, it'll just keep you from shrinking and keep you full and relatively tight if your diet's on point.
In any event, I suppose that's my two cents. I'm sure others can relate. Perhaps digress or even correct me where I'm wrong. I know my body quite well being a stoner and an ex-heavy psychonaught (no more tripping, just weed now). And having a struggle from a Thai Lady boy physique to one that is not huge, but turns every head in the gym, is something that gives me a bit of credibility I'd say. A lot of the information out there is nothing but bro science but I've read as many medical texts as I could having a mother who's a nurse and family members who are doctors. I also used to scour PubMed in a quest for size but I feel that I have enough knowledge in the gym and in the kitchen to get where I want. If anyone wants to talk more about slin I'll start reading up again and try to dedicate some time to put in some decent bullshitting. I hope that we can get my niccas tbombz and vanb up in this. They're very knowledgeable dudes and can politely correct anywhere that I'm mistaken and add some serious fuel to this discussion.
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Anything can happen.
I have seen studies that stated it actually helped prevent Type II diabetes, but nothing is absolute.
I would be more worried about your daily diet than injecting a little extra insulin into your body.
Just please be careful and understand how it works before you use it.
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Well I can't devote the time to put this eloquently or back things up scientifically, but think of the way that type II diabetes is developed. It's because people don't eat properly and their bodies stop releasing insulin efficiently and appropriately. I personally think by introducing exogenous insulin during the pre-diabetes stage you may give the pancreas a chance to relax. Especially considering that bodybuilders spike insulin quite often or during a critical time such as post-workout. This is undoubtedly taxing on the body for many reasons. So if you introduce exogenous insulin then that's one less stress on the body.
Even if this does not improve insulin sensitivity and appropriation, I think that at the very least it's neutral and not something that'll actually INDUCE diabetes. Perhaps if you use insulin at huge doses haphazardly you could somehow retard your body's response to glucose and impair things.. but I don't think so. Like you said, there probably isn't much scientific research and we all know that things on paper are much different in real life, especially if we consider the doses, dosing protocols and eccentric conditions a bodybuilder's body is in (heavily muscled, crazy conditioning, tons of eccentric drugs and exogenous hormones, etc). We are pioneers in this field and anecdotal feedback and empirical data is critical.
I used a BSL monitor for about a year before I really tried slin. I used USPLabs religiously and I believe that even a supplement was able to change my insulin sensitivity and body composition in a positive way. When I tried slin extensively I learned many things too. I haven't used it consistently enough to see large gains though. I basically just use it if I train really hard and beat my body down consecutive days in a row. If I lose weight and need to fill back up again I'll use it twice a day and then the next day or two.
It's debatable to what sort of degree, but you can acquire some visceral fat too which is a concern. My insulin sensitivity is great though. For years I abstained from sugar and simple carbs while bulking up. I went from 100lbs to 165-170lbs, tried some failed oral experiments and dropped muscle and put on fat. After yo-yo dieting inconsistency and indecisively (didn't know if I wanted to bulk or cut) I finally became pretty heavily muscled and conditioned and began using real AAS. I failed with that too but have a very respectable physique and started experimenting with slin, GH and thyroid meds so I feel that I'm quite cognizant. I now eat sugar, white rice like a mother fucker, pizza, junk food, whatever. And as long as it's done within some sort of limitation I still feel that my body responds to macronutrients very favorably. If I augment my diet for optimal performance I can put on much more muscle and get myself much more conditioned than ever before. When I use something like slin it propels this even further.
I think to capitalize on the benefits of insulin you need to use some thyroid so fat gains aren't as MUCH of a concern and GH will also bring things to a new level. I'm assuming that anyone using slin is on a very good amount of AAS too, otherwise your efforts are futile. If you're off AAS then I think slin, T3 and GH are good to keep a certain degree of muscle and conditioning but it'll certainly not put a lot of new mass on, it'll just keep you from shrinking and keep you full and relatively tight if your diet's on point.
In any event, I suppose that's my two cents. I'm sure others can relate. Perhaps digress or even correct me where I'm wrong. I know my body quite well being a stoner and an ex-heavy psychonaught (no more tripping, just weed now). And having a struggle from a Thai Lady boy physique to one that is not huge, but turns every head in the gym, is something that gives me a bit of credibility I'd say. A lot of the information out there is nothing but bro science but I've read as many medical texts as I could having a mother who's a nurse and family members who are doctors. I also used to scour PubMed in a quest for size but I feel that I have enough knowledge in the gym and in the kitchen to get where I want. If anyone wants to talk more about slin I'll start reading up again and try to dedicate some time to put in some decent bullshitting. I hope that we can get my niccas tbombz and vanb up in this. They're very knowledgeable dudes and can politely correct anywhere that I'm mistaken and add some serious fuel to this discussion.
I have talked in length with a diabetic specialist on this and he assured me exogenous insulin will never lead to diabetes.
Dustin sound like Milos my friend. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to AAS with your little theories. I agree with you on the insulin part as far as diabetes is concerned after talking with tbombz and a doctor in length about this discussion. But besides that everything you speak is stupid theoroies in long paragraphs that I could of come up with in one sentence. Werent you the guy who just found out after years of juicing that 1000mg of testosterone is more effective than masteron and chicken breasts?
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thanks for the dudes givin me respect by saying i might be able to help. :)
but, to be honest, i cant give much of a better answer than any of these other dudes have.
theres no evidence to indicate that exogenous insulin use could cause a person to develop diabetes. theres is a little bit of evidence to indicate it could help prevent diabetes if used by those predisposed to diabetes. but, like overload said, "anyting can happen", and there is no guarantee that you wont somehow mess up your insulin/blood glucose relationship and cause some form of diabetes.
edit: to answer your question, there is ZERO good evidence to support the claim that exogenous insulin could/would cause any type of diabetes or blood glucose problems. anyone preaching to you about the risks of developing diabetes from using insulin is talking out of their overly cautious and uninformed ass.
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I have talked in length with a diabetic specialist on this and he assured me exogenous insulin will never lead to diabetes.
Dustin sound like Milos my friend. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to AAS with your little theories. I agree with you on the insulin part as far as diabetes is concerned after talking with tbombz and a doctor in length about this discussion. But besides that everything you speak is stupid theoroies in long paragraphs that I could of come up with in one sentence. Werent you the guy who just found out after years of juicing that 1000mg of testosterone is more effective than masteron and chicken breasts?
If I know nothing why have you sent multiple PMs praising me and asking for my drug advice? I've never been anything but humble and always open to correction. Don't appreciate your dumbass comments at all. Go fuck off.
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If I know nothing why have you sent multiple PMs praising me and asking for my drug advice? I've never been anything but humble and always open to correction. Don't appreciate your dumbass comments at all. Go fuck off.
I pmed you about your slin protocol and how to use it safely which you kindly ignored.
How would you feel killing some kid because you couldnt take a few seconds to respond to a pm? :)
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I pmed you about your slin protocol and how to use it safely which you kindly ignored.
How would you feel killing some kid because you couldnt take a few seconds to respond to a pm? :)
STFU flintstones. your getting on my last fucking nerve. You run your big mouth and you don't know shit about aas. Dustin is a great guy, and is always willing to help out. He just posted a big write up for your disrespectful ass and he didn't have to do that. If you kill your dumb ass because your not willing to use insulin the correct way(or actually using it at all at this point in your AAS career) then its no ones fault but your own. You had better tread lightly my friend or you will be GONE. Try me.
To the rest of GB I apologize for the rant.
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I pmed you about your slin protocol and how to use it safely which you kindly ignored.
How would you feel killing some kid because you couldnt take a few seconds to respond to a pm? :)
Bro, did I not take time to immediately respond to your first message? And I drafted up a very kind response to your slin inquiry but forgot to send it. For that I apologize. But I do not owe you anything, nor am I responsible for your misuse of insulin.
I'll throw caution to the wind and say this though, it's something that must be used to be fully understood. I just typed up a very in depth response but I'm not going to post it for fears that some idiot will read it. People need to shed the elusive stigma that surrounds insulin while still appreciating the dangers, then the correct information will be presented. I can see why this information only travels within certain bodybuilding circles though. Guys who use it properly are doing things that newbs shouldn't be doing. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Like others have said just keep a BSL monitor handy and get very acquainted with your body. It goes far beyond calculating how many grams of carbs for every international unit of insulin you bang back. It's not really worth while until you venture off into the riskier doses anyway. And unless I'm training with someone and I know their drug history and current use, I don't really engage much in talking about actual slin protocols. The wrong information can get out there and that wouldn't be cool.
On top of making money of course, I think this is also why the self proclaimed gurus withhold their slin protocols too. Milos's pre, intra, post workout drug and supplement concoctions with boatloads of slin, Farah's DNP + slin pulsing, huge slin loads xxx a mount of times per week ala Chad Nichols or some other douchebag, etc. While a lot of this is gimmick BS, there is some methods to their madness and it'd be a shame for cookie cutter slin protocols to appear, such as the 500mg of test e for 8-12 weeks followed by 4 weeks of nolvadex = a steroid cycle regurgitated dog shit.
STFU flintstones. your getting on my last fucking nerve. You run your big mouth and you don't know shit about aas. Dustin is a great guy, and is always willing to help out. He just posted a big write up for your disrespectful ass and he didn't have to do that. If you kill your dumb ass because your not willing to use insulin the correct way(or actually using it at all at this point in your AAS career) then its no ones fault but your own. You had better tread lightly my friend or you will be GONE. Try me.
To the rest of GB I apologize for the rant.
Thanks for having my back, neega. Tonight I'll jam my post workout insulin in your honor.. but if anything goes wrong and I kick the bucket, I'm coming back to haunt you lol ;D
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Bro, did I not take time to immediately respond to your first message? And I drafted up a very kind response to your slin inquiry but forgot to send it. For that I apologize. But I do not owe you anything, nor am I responsible for your misuse of insulin.
I'll throw caution to the wind and say this though, it's something that must be used to be fully understood. I just typed up a very in depth response but I'm not going to post it for fears that some idiot will read it. People need to shed the elusive stigma that surrounds insulin while still appreciating the dangers, then the correct information will be presented. I can see why this information only travels within certain bodybuilding circles though. Guys who use it properly are doing things that newbs shouldn't be doing. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Like others have said just keep a BSL monitor handy and get very acquainted with your body. It goes far beyond calculating how many grams of carbs for every international unit of insulin you bang back. It's not really worth while until you venture off into the riskier doses anyway. And unless I'm training with someone and I know their drug history and current use, I don't really engage much in talking about actual slin protocols. The wrong information can get out there and that wouldn't be cool.
On top of making money of course, I think this is also why the self proclaimed gurus withhold their slin protocols too. Milos's pre, intra, post workout drug and supplement concoctions with boatloads of slin, Farah's DNP + slin pulsing, huge slin loads xxx a mount of times per week ala Chad Nichols or some other douchebag, etc. While a lot of this is gimmick BS, there is some methods to their madness and it'd be a shame for cookie cutter slin protocols to appear, such as the 500mg of test e for 8-12 weeks followed by 4 weeks of nolvadex = a steroid cycle regurgitated dog shit.
Thanks for having my back, neega. Tonight I'll jam my post workout insulin in your honor.. but if anything goes wrong and I kick the bucket, I'm coming back to haunt you lol ;D
Yeah, exactly. Sometimes I cant believe the BS we get here. Its like Romper Room.
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Bro, did I not take time to immediately respond to your first message? And I drafted up a very kind response to your slin inquiry but forgot to send it. For that I apologize. But I do not owe you anything, nor am I responsible for your misuse of insulin.
I'll throw caution to the wind and say this though, it's something that must be used to be fully understood. I just typed up a very in depth response but I'm not going to post it for fears that some idiot will read it. People need to shed the elusive stigma that surrounds insulin while still appreciating the dangers, then the correct information will be presented. I can see why this information only travels within certain bodybuilding circles though. Guys who use it properly are doing things that newbs shouldn't be doing. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Like others have said just keep a BSL monitor handy and get very acquainted with your body. It goes far beyond calculating how many grams of carbs for every international unit of insulin you bang back. It's not really worth while until you venture off into the riskier doses anyway. And unless I'm training with someone and I know their drug history and current use, I don't really engage much in talking about actual slin protocols. The wrong information can get out there and that wouldn't be cool.
On top of making money of course, I think this is also why the self proclaimed gurus withhold their slin protocols too. Milos's pre, intra, post workout drug and supplement concoctions with boatloads of slin, Farah's DNP + slin pulsing, huge slin loads xxx a mount of times per week ala Chad Nichols or some other douchebag, etc. While a lot of this is gimmick BS, there is some methods to their madness and it'd be a shame for cookie cutter slin protocols to appear, such as the 500mg of test e for 8-12 weeks followed by 4 weeks of nolvadex = a steroid cycle regurgitated dog shit.
Thanks for having my back, neega. Tonight I'll jam my post workout insulin in your honor.. but if anything goes wrong and I kick the bucket, I'm coming back to haunt you lol ;D
Dustin I apologize.
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Dustin I apologize.
lol no worries. But I think being called Milos isn't an insult. If someones gonna call me crazy then I might as well be fucking batshit crazy. :D
Post workout carb will be white rice tonight LOL my wedding is on the 21st. Will do slin twice a day every training day till I'm thick as a cock. I have some Asian in-laws who've never seen a jacked brown guy so it will be my honor to fuck with their heads and shock them.
Been cutting from 190lbs to around low 180lbs this summer but dropped to mid-170lbs due to my stag and a fuckload of drinking. Pretty uncommon for me aside from an evening whiskey or cognac plus joint before bed. After I fill up again I'm going to sit around 185lbs and recomp for the sake of my ego and not wanting to cut too hardcore anymore.
Never been so conditioned but thick at the same time. Test dose going from 200mg each week to 900mg ew. Glycogen depleted but fucking killed the weights last night, started up on slin (8iu, 50g of dextrose and 25g of protein pwo, oat meal and home made chicken tenders for pwo meal) and I'm filling out already. Bought my woman a DSLR so I'll try snapping mini transformation pics to show how fast slin works in tandem with your diet and training.
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lol no worries. But I think being called Milos isn't an insult. If someones gonna call me crazy then I might as well be fucking batshit crazy. :D
Post workout carb will be white rice tonight LOL my wedding is on the 21st. Will do slin twice a day every training day till I'm thick as a cock. I have some Asian in-laws who've never seen a jacked brown guy so it will be my honor to fuck with their heads and shock them.
Been cutting from 190lbs to around low 180lbs this summer but dropped to mid-170lbs due to my stag and a fuckload of drinking. Pretty uncommon for me aside from an evening whiskey or cognac plus joint before bed. After I fill up again I'm going to sit around 185lbs and recomp for the sake of my ego and not wanting to cut too hardcore anymore.
Never been so conditioned but thick at the same time. Test dose going from 200mg each week to 900mg ew. Glycogen depleted but fucking killed the weights last night, started up on slin (8iu, 50g of dextrose and 25g of protein pwo, oat meal and home made chicken tenders for pwo meal) and I'm filling out already. Bought my woman a DSLR so I'll try snapping mini transformation pics to show how fast slin works in tandem with your diet and training.
Do you feel like slin makes you grow faster? I know tbombz and even spike said that it doesnt but I know some are much more sensitive to it than others.
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Do you feel like slin makes you grow faster? I know tbombz and even spike said that it doesnt but I know some are much more sensitive to it than others.
I wouldn't say that you grow faster, at least at the small doses I use. I use it to speed up recovery for the most part. I can either be sore as shit and not train to my potential, or train with much more intensity because I've replenished glycogen stores and helped to marginally aid protein synthesis. It really changes the playing field when you add GH and other peptides though. My AAS dose isn't high enough and I'm not running any GH, so I don't see much in terms of direct muscle growth. It's sort of like an insurance policy.
This summer has been stale for training. My tren ended up being less than stellar and left big hard knots so I only ran like 50mg e3d cut with primo and a bit of test. Just cruised because I had so much wedding stuff going on. For the most part I'll just be getting back to where I was earlier this summer but I know I can be much thicker and squeeze out a lot of this sub-q water which will make me extremely happy. I've gained a few lbs since last night despite not drinking enough water or sleeping enough so I'm happy right now.
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Here's a couple of pics. Don't know where the wife's camera is and she's sleeping. I'm not the hugest fucker but it's a far cry from the 100lbs I weighed when I first stepped into the gym. No flames please. Next time I post pictures they'll be much more impressive.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img9/5405/88061407.jpg) (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/88061407.jpg/)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img693/805/65135245.jpg) (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/65135245.jpg/)
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You look great Dustin, Great job man. No flames will be allowed. Constructive criticism I will allow , but flames will be immediately deleted.
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Looking great Dustin.
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Thanks, mangs. Just got married yesterday, fucking insane wedding (Cambodian and "white" wedding ceremonies!) so now I'm off to start training like a mad man. We've got fuckloads of amazing food here too. Our rice cooker is the size of a garbage can and we've still got half a roast pig to munch. I feel so relieved :)
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thanks for the replies. dustin, if you came in to the gym at 100lbs and pulled that off, wow, congrats. That shows us we all have potential reglardlesss of our size and what we want
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Thanks, mangs. Just got married yesterday, fucking insane wedding (Cambodian and "white" wedding ceremonies!) so now I'm off to start training like a mad man. We've got fuckloads of amazing food here too. Our rice cooker is the size of a garbage can and we've still got half a roast pig to munch. I feel so relieved :)
I dont know how I missed this, but congrats D ;D Damn that food sounds tasty.
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Do you feel like slin makes you grow faster? I know tbombz and even spike said that it doesnt but I know some are much more sensitive to it than others.
I stopped takin it completely for weeks and just ran my usual test + gh
I just started the slin back and I notice these things rite off bat:
-PUMPS: workouts I'm in beastmode and I do higher reps, pushing myself but the pumps are crazy
-RECOVERY: I dont get sore practically at all, except for my joints no more soreness after leg day - I work at nite 5days a week at a strip club so my hours are fckd but I only sleep about 5hours a nite cause I wake up to eat early
-FULLNESS - i hit bi's today and it looks like I did a site injection - glycogen stores are up at the ass so I remain ON swole - seemed without the slin in there I was flat and I gased myself out alot sooner in workouts
as far as glucose tolerance and all that I can atest that goin over thgs I do with my Dr she gets weary of the slin cause mines gets to 60 or so and I still feel; ok but I'll need somethg to eat or i'll bite ur head off and the test cause of the anxiety it causes me at nite -- other than that if you talk to any person that has TYPE I diabetes and ask them what happens if they take TOO much slin they gain weight cause they eat more -
if you know how to eat - take slin - but almost every twink in the gym nowadays doesnt eat - maybe a bowl of fruity peebles in the morn, a muscle milk here or there, then dinner and maybe taco bell later on - that shit will get you nowhere fast - I graduated high school wieighin 185 but i had a few test/deca mickey mouse cycles under my belt - i am 273 as of today and I turned 28 last week
slin = EAT OR DIE
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Here's a couple of pics. Don't know where the wife's camera is and she's sleeping. I'm not the hugest fucker but it's a far cry from the 100lbs I weighed when I first stepped into the gym. No flames please. Next time I post pictures they'll be much more impressive.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img9/5405/88061407.jpg) (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/88061407.jpg/)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img693/805/65135245.jpg) (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/65135245.jpg/)
Look good bro , very impressive taking yourself from 45kg/100pd to your current size and shape .
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Here's a couple of pics. Don't know where the wife's camera is and she's sleeping. I'm not the hugest fucker but it's a far cry from the 100lbs I weighed when I first stepped into the gym. No flames please. Next time I post pictures they'll be much more impressive.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img9/5405/88061407.jpg) (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/88061407.jpg/)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img693/805/65135245.jpg) (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/65135245.jpg/)
Great physique Dustin and congrats on getting married
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I stopped takin it completely for weeks and just ran my usual test + gh
I just started the slin back and I notice these things rite off bat:
-PUMPS: workouts I'm in beastmode and I do higher reps, pushing myself but the pumps are crazy
-RECOVERY: I dont get sore practically at all, except for my joints no more soreness after leg day - I work at nite 5days a week at a strip club so my hours are fckd but I only sleep about 5hours a nite cause I wake up to eat early
-FULLNESS - i hit bi's today and it looks like I did a site injection - glycogen stores are up at the ass so I remain ON swole - seemed without the slin in there I was flat and I gased myself out alot sooner in workouts
as far as glucose tolerance and all that I can atest that goin over thgs I do with my Dr she gets weary of the slin cause mines gets to 60 or so and I still feel; ok but I'll need somethg to eat or i'll bite ur head off and the test cause of the anxiety it causes me at nite -- other than that if you talk to any person that has TYPE I diabetes and ask them what happens if they take TOO much slin they gain weight cause they eat more -
if you know how to eat - take slin - but almost every twink in the gym nowadays doesnt eat - maybe a bowl of fruity peebles in the morn, a muscle milk here or there, then dinner and maybe taco bell later on - that shit will get you nowhere fast - I graduated high school wieighin 185 but i had a few test/deca mickey mouse cycles under my belt - i am 273 as of today and I turned 28 last week
slin = EAT OR DIE
nice!!, ill be adding some of the ol' slin next cycle.
go big or go home!!
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I have no desire to be a probodybuilder so I feel like slin is not worth it for me
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I stopped takin it completely for weeks and just ran my usual test + gh
I just started the slin back and I notice these things rite off bat:
-PUMPS: workouts I'm in beastmode and I do higher reps, pushing myself but the pumps are crazy
-RECOVERY: I dont get sore practically at all, except for my joints no more soreness after leg day - I work at nite 5days a week at a strip club so my hours are fckd but I only sleep about 5hours a nite cause I wake up to eat early
-FULLNESS - i hit bi's today and it looks like I did a site injection - glycogen stores are up at the ass so I remain ON swole - seemed without the slin in there I was flat and I gased myself out alot sooner in workouts
as far as glucose tolerance and all that I can atest that goin over thgs I do with my Dr she gets weary of the slin cause mines gets to 60 or so and I still feel; ok but I'll need somethg to eat or i'll bite ur head off and the test cause of the anxiety it causes me at nite -- other than that if you talk to any person that has TYPE I diabetes and ask them what happens if they take TOO much slin they gain weight cause they eat more -
if you know how to eat - take slin - but almost every twink in the gym nowadays doesnt eat - maybe a bowl of fruity peebles in the morn, a muscle milk here or there, then dinner and maybe taco bell later on - that shit will get you nowhere fast - I graduated high school wieighin 185 but i had a few test/deca mickey mouse cycles under my belt - i am 273 as of today and I turned 28 last week
slin = EAT OR DIE
thanks Spike good shit.
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Spike, how much slin do you use and do you use it pre workout or post workout ?
or also in the morning ?
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I have no desire to be a probodybuilder so I feel like slin is not worth it for me
I agree with this for the most part except I think it's a good tool as you age to better use nutrients. Similar to a regular guy going on hrt. I think insulin supp is good as you get older.
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I see what your saying but I rather just go on a low dose of test for the rest of my life when I'm older rather than use slin
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Aside from the hypoglycemia factor, why is this reserved as a "last resort"? Elitism. That's what.
I know a 6 year old who administrators her own insulin all day, everyday. Sometimes pros spark BS esoteric gym lore because their afraid to let their secrets out. Its like how people covet tren as a miracle steroid that only the vets should use. I do advocate taking baby steps, but I don't need less intelligent, more hardcore druggies try telling me the proper way to abuse drugs. ::)
If these dumb fucks want to get bent out of shape because the sheep wont listen to the shepherd, too fucking bad! The same rules apply whether you're a tiny tit or a maxed out beast. The only difference is the volume of drugs and the insecurities of juice heads. Drives the insecure crazy.
I say use whatever. Using small amounts of multiple drugs can be safer as long as you're experienced with whatever substance you're using. You should be smart enough to run it all if you're running ANYTHING at all.
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To each his own my friend
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Aside from the hypoglycemia factor, why is this reserved as a "last resort"? Elitism. That's what.
I know a 6 year old who administrators her own insulin all day, everyday. Sometimes pros spark BS esoteric gym lore because their afraid to let their secrets out. Its like how people covet tren as a miracle steroid that only the vets should use. I do advocate taking baby steps, but I don't need less intelligent, more hardcore druggies try telling me the proper way to abuse drugs. ::)
If these dumb fucks want to get bent out of shape because the sheep wont listen to the shepherd, too fucking bad! The same rules apply whether you're a tiny tit or a maxed out beast. The only difference is the volume of drugs and the insecurities of juice heads. Drives the insecure crazy.
I say use whatever. Using small amounts of multiple drugs can be safer as long as you're experienced with whatever substance you're using. You should be smart enough to run it all if you're running ANYTHING at all.
Haha come on Dustin, tell us how you really feel. Good point my friend!