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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: G_Thang on August 14, 2010, 06:09:22 PM
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Results...
1 Essa Ibrahim Obiad
2 Mark Alvisi :o
3 Bill Wilmore >:(
4 Cedrick McMillan :o Wiggs
5 Dont remember but it doesnt matter. :)
No O qualification for Brandy Leaver. >:(
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brutal result---Mcmillan 4th? cmon
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brutal result---Mcmillan 4th? cmon
did ya see Essa, oh man, he killed it..
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I would have had it this way:
1 Essa Ibrahim Obiad
2 Bill Wilmore
3 Mark Alvisi
4 Cedrick McMillan
Glad I was right about Essa taking it though
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I thought it would something like
1 Essa
2 Cedric
3 Kef
4 Wilmore
5 Alvisi
Essa deserved the win, Cedric's conditioning wasn't 100% on but his height and structure make him stand out. Kef was the most conditioned.
Alvisi 2nd was bunk.
So much shit judging in contests lately.
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I thought it would something like
1 Essa
2 Cedric
3 Kef
4 Wilmore
5 Alvisi
Essa deserved the win, Cedric's conditioning wasn't 100% on but his height and structure make him stand out. Kef was the most conditioned.
Alvisi 2nd was bunk.
Bill blew Cedric out of the water on conditioning and fullness...Just to many people wanting to nuthug Cedric right now...The guy has mad potential, but didn't bring in the conditioning that night....
So much shit judging in contests lately.
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Judges got it right for once. Cedric was the least conditioned out of the top 5 while Essa looked incredible.
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cedric will do better in the big shows, bank on it.
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I thought it would something like
1 Essa
2 Cedric
3 Kef
4 Wilmore
5 Alvisi
Essa deserved the win, Cedric's conditioning wasn't 100% on but his height and structure make him stand out. Kef was the most conditioned.
Alvisi 2nd was bunk.
So much shit judging in contests lately.
Agreed. The judging is getting out of contro. Looked like the Teen Nationals.
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boy, after the teen nats debacle............and now this screwing
gaspari must be greasing a LOT of palms for his boys..............this was unbelievable
scumbags, all of them
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One of the biggest let downs was Brandon Curry - all the hype and 2 years of prep to not even place in the top 5.
Hope he doesn't turn out to be yet another guy who skates on his potential without putting some solid work in to capitalise upon it.
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so what do you guys think about seth winning the 202 class
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so what do you guys think about seth winning the 202 class
He looked great and was the clear winner.
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no way essa should have won..obvious synthol in his triceps and his delts look strange as well. his quads also need to come up.
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Essa had some brutal oily arms/delts, that shouldn't be someting that can win.
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Judges got it right for once. Cedric was the least conditioned out of the top 5 while Essa looked incredible.
So you mean it's a conditioning thing? Because none of them have a better structure than Cedric, it must have been conditioning which put them over Cedric. Fair enough, but then explain how Kef got 5th? He looks way better than Alvisi and had better conditioning. Makes no sense to me.
I agree Cedric was the least conditioned out of the top guys, but IMO he wasn't that bad that Alvisi should have been placed 2 places higher. That's crazy.
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no way essa should have won..obvious synthol in his triceps and his delts look strange as well. his quads also need to come up.
agreed....his bi's were also loaded to the brink.....
bench
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He looked great and was the clear winner.
pretty good showing for his first debut
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Even Ruhl got placed higher than Curry. Get the fuck outta here. lol
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this kid looked great
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pretty good showing for his first debut
the little guys always have a better showing...
bench
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pretty good showing for his first debut
Great showing. He made some great gains in one year.
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In most recent contests pretty much all top 5 competitors have very weak calves. I know judges don't care about calves but it's ridiculous, some competitors have calves like 10 yr olds.
Btw did Farrah do contest prep for Essa? And are the scorecards going to be released?
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Funny how the other boards have videos of the top 3 in the callouts and Mark A. isn't in the callout. It is Essa, Cedric and Bill. This judging is messed up. A real sport will have a clear winners.
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Wilmore's arms could use some of Issa's oil
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I thought it would something like
1 Essa
2 Cedric
3 Kef
4 Wilmore
5 Alvisi
Essa deserved the win, Cedric's conditioning wasn't 100% on but his height and structure make him stand out. Kef was the most conditioned.
Alvisi 2nd was bunk.
So much shit judging in contests lately.
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1.Wilmore
2.Essa
3.Kef
4.McMillan
5.Alvisi
THE CONTEST WAS FIXED :o
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SO much bitching and moaning from you guys. Cedric looks smooth next to the others. His height and structure will serve him well later when he learns to get more shredded. Same for Curry.
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hahahaha; Wiggs "The One" placed 4th in Dallas ;D
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One of the biggest let downs was Brandon Curry - all the hype and 2 years of prep to not even place in the top 5.
Hope he doesn't turn out to be yet another guy who skates on his potential without putting some solid work in to capitalise upon it.
Its always difficult to compare physiques from photos alone - although the every lasting debate on who was better Dorian or Ronnie relies solely on them - but Brandon deserved a higher placing than he was awarded.
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hahahaha; Wiggs "The One" placed 4th in Dallas ;D
Don't worry, it's his first pro show. He'll be fine.
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Funny how the other boards have videos of the top 3 in the callouts and Mark A. isn't in the callout. It is Essa, Cedric and Bill. This judging is messed up. A real sport will have a clear winners.
LOL.."Clear winners"..look at these threads and youll see all the "experts" after the show cant even agree on one set of placings...it's no differnt for the judges, as there were different physiques and different opinions as to where they placed...
If Gaspari had such a lock on the placings, why did Ava Cowan place out of the money?
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LOL.."Clear winners"..look at these threads and youll see all the "experts" after the show cant even agree on one set of placings...it's no differnt for the judges, as there were different physiques and different opinions as to where they placed...
If Gaspari had such a lock on the placings, why did Ava Cowan place out of the money?
Men's Open vs others ???
Rich's Max Stuff was all over the place which highlighted men bbers. Please dont make a 202 comment.
Are you also saying that Manion Jr's girls dont have a ridiculous win record at the O?
Major sports tend to fix outcomes. Why not bbing/fit/fig? Essa was TOO good for them to make that jump to 1st.
i guess call-outs dont matter anymore after yesterday...given damn near every show the top 3 end up being the top 3 in the money
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LOL.."Clear winners"..look at these threads and youll see all the "experts" after the show cant even agree on one set of placings...it's no differnt for the judges, as there were different physiques and different opinions as to where they placed...
If Gaspari had such a lock on the placings, why did Ava Cowan place out of the money?
Well Alvisi and Ava are a couple and are boyfriend aand girlfriend...and both Gaspari endorsed athletes. Imagine both of them winning...what are the odds?
Ava did look good to win but imagine if "2" Gaspari Atheletes won, then the propanganda would have been evident!
They (the judges) had to sacrifice Ava's placing for Alvisi so no eyes will know there was a fix, this way Alvisi is the poster child for Gaspari products....he will be featured in more Gaspari Product advertisements, ect...just watch
Just imgaine if Essa wasnt there...Alvisi would have won this show! Do you actually believe Alvisi would have won? Hell no..there was a fix!
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Men's Open vs others ???
Rich's Max Stuff was all over the place which highlighted men bbers. Please dont make a 202 comment.
Are you also saying that Manion Jr's girls dont have a ridiculous win record at the O?
Major sports tend to fix outcomes. Why not bbing/fit/fig? Essa was TOO good for them to make that jump to 1st.
i guess call-outs dont matter anymore after yesterday...given damn near every show the top 3 end up being the top 3 in the money
What is "max stuff"?
Yes, JM's girls do quite well...not to crazy considering that he only signs the best girls...
Major sports fix outcomes as there are millions of reasons too...not so much in BB
Call outs are just a general assessment of who they THINK might be in the top 3, etc...some guys fade, others get sharper, still others project themselves as they are compared and it becomes apparent that maybe they're better than someone who was called out before them....Gustavo worked himself up from 8/9th to the top 3 a few years ago at the Ironman...
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Gotta love these conspiracy theories..... ;D
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Well Alvisi and Ava are a couple and are boyfriend aand girlfriend...and both Gaspari endorsed athletes. Imagine both of them winning...what are the odds?
Ava did look good to win but imagine if "2" Gaspari Atheletes won, then the propanganda would have been evident!
They (the judges) had to sacrifice Ava's placing for Alvisi so no eyes will know there was a fix, this way Alvisi is the poster child for Gaspari products....he will be featured in more Gaspari Product advertisements, ect...just watch
Just imgaine if Essa wasnt there...Alvisi would have won this show! Do you actually believe Alvisi would have won? Hell no..there was a fix!
Good one. how the hell you are going to brand hardcore "I workout with Max!" with a bikini or figure type girl. Anyway...it's Rich's money...just calling like i see it.
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Gotta love these conspiracy theories..... ;D
Yeah, gotta love conspiracies!
Vince, maybe you didnt place high in your shows because they just want to keep a black man living in the trailer park down?!
You have such superior genetics and look better than those you comeped against! Its not right that they didnt give you first place!!!
I believe the judges who judged your show wanted to keep you down because youre black and they wanted all the white people to place higher!
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Well Alvisi and Ava are a couple and are boyfriend aand girlfriend...and both Gaspari endorsed athletes. Imagine both of them winning...what are the odds?
Ava did look good to win but imagine if "2" Gaspari Atheletes won, then the propanganda would have been evident!
They (the judges) had to sacrifice Ava's placing for Alvisi so no eyes will know there was a fix, this way Alvisi is the poster child for Gaspari products....he will be featured in more Gaspari Product advertisements, ect...just watch
Just imgaine if Essa wasnt there...Alvisi would have won this show! Do you actually believe Alvisi would have won? Hell no..there was a fix!
LOL...you have quite the vivid imagination if you believe that all 7 judges had this conversation at any point, an d are even aware of who dates who...
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LOL...you have quite the vivid imagination if you believe that all 7 judges had this conversation at any point, an d are even aware of who dates who...
Chick, Im sorry for feeling this way but I believe Ava was screwed over!!
There has got to be something happening under the tables (blowjob, gangbangs, sexual favors)
Dont say it doesnt happen because this is a business and people are in it to make money wether its endorsement contracts, ect! SO people will do anything even sell their souls and bodies!
Maybe you didnt prostitute youself but you have to admit, that you got where you were by being viscious and stabbing a few people in the back
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maaaaan Kef. got robbed again... >:(
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Alright Chick, please explain this to me. For the record I thought Cedric should have been 2nd based on his size and shape. How does Cedric go from being in 2nd by 5 points ahead of Mark in the prejudging and fall to 4th at the finals. That is alot of falling 2 places after the prejudging and he looked better on Sat.
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Yeah, gotta love conspiracies!
Vince, maybe you didnt place high in your shows because they just want to keep a black man living in the trailer park down?!
You have such superior genetics and look better than those you comeped against! Its not right that they didnt give you first place!!!
I believe the judges who judged your show wanted to keep you down because youre black and they wanted all the white people to place higher!
I was beaten fair and square on stage last year. No use in being a bigger loser by claiming racism.... ::)
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1.Wilmore
2.Essa
3.Kef
4.McMillan
5.Alvisi
THE CONTEST WAS FIXED :o
glad im not the only one that was able to see wilmore was the most complete bodybuilder up there.
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LOL...you have quite the vivid imagination if you believe that all 7 judges had this conversation at any point, an d are even aware of who dates who...
Alvisi had no business even being in the Top 5, and everyone who was there confirms that. There's nothing to whitewash this time, Chick.
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Alright Chick, please explain this to me. For the record I thought Cedric should have been 2nd based on his size and shape. How does Cedric go from being in 2nd by 5 points ahead of Mark in the prejudging and fall to 4th at the finals. That is alot of falling 2 places after the prejudging and he looked better on Sat.
Isn't the judging score now split 50/50 with the evening show?
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Essa was the clear winner.
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Gustavo worked himself up from 8/9th to the top 3 a few years ago at the Ironman...
Would this be possible with the way shows are judged these days?
Looking at the score sheet from the Europa the placings from 6 down were set in stone after the prejudging and those physiques were not judged in the evening show.
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Would this be possible with the way shows are judged these days?
Looking at the score sheet from the Europa the placings from 6 down were set in stone after the prejudging and those physiques were not judged in the evening show.
Sure it would, as the judging rounds system should provide for one to move up (or down) throughout the prejudging....
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Alright Chick, please explain this to me. For the record I thought Cedric should have been 2nd based on his size and shape. How does Cedric go from being in 2nd by 5 points ahead of Mark in the prejudging and fall to 4th at the finals. That is alot of falling 2 places after the prejudging and he looked better on Sat.
Chick can your answer this for me?
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Chick,
How do you think Feroce fairs against David Henry or Kevin English? He looked great but looked kinda small IMO, even in that 202 lineup.
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LOL.."Clear winners"..look at these threads and youll see all the "experts" after the show cant even agree on one set of placings...it's no differnt for the judges, as there were different physiques and different opinions as to where they placed...
If Gaspari had such a lock on the placings, why did Ava Cowan place out of the money?
Here is a question I think I can answer for you Chick about Ave. Ava dosen't have to win any show to sell products because she is so hot. She is like Jamie Eason who never even turned pro are competes any more, but she is all over the place. So Ava dosen't have to compete in the O. Gaspari needs a male BB to compete in the O. Flex Lewis is out and HIde? So he needed Mark. Who knows just rambling.
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Chick can your answer this for me?
Cedric is a better BB by far, IMO...but he was soft. And softer at finals, which cost him a place or two. Judges were obviously rewarding conditioning over shape. Essa, Bill, Mark all were harder and more conditioned..
This is also the reason we changed the judgng criteria to make it so the finals count for something...In days past, a guy comes in shape in the PJ, then shows up glossed over at the night show, and people would be wondering how he placed so high...
Cedric has a nice career ahead of him..
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Here is a question I think I can answer for you Chick about Ave. Ava dosen't have to win any show to sell products because she is so hot. She is like Jamie Eason who never even turned pro are competes any more, but she is all over the place. So Ava dosen't have to compete in the O. Gaspari needs a male BB to compete in the O. Flex Lewis is out and HIde? So he needed Mark. Who knows just rambling.
Rambling you are, my friend....lol
Ava is a competitor, and wants to win...that said, she needs to learn how to pose better and relax...boardering on too hard
BTW, as far as I know, Hide is IN, as is Flex Lewis....
Gaspari doesnt "need" any of his athletes in the Olympia to sell more product...he's one of the top 4 supp companies in the game....
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Cedric is a better BB by far, IMO...but he was soft. And softer at finals, which cost him a place or two. Judges were obviously rewarding conditioning over shape. Essa, Bill, Mark all were harder and more conditioned..
This is also the reason we changed the judgng criteria to make it so the finals count for something...In days past, a guy comes in shape in the PJ, then shows up glossed over at the night show, and people would be wondering how he placed so high...
Cedric has a nice career ahead of him..
Than Essa? I don't agree. Essa has much more pop to him when he poses and freakier bodyparts and thinner skin. Overall he's more impressive than Cedric. Cedric is bigger with better shape maybe, but lacks the freak factor and really isn't overly impressive in his poses.
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Cedric is a better BB by far, IMO...but he was soft. And softer at finals, which cost him a place or two. Judges were obviously rewarding conditioning over shape. Essa, Bill, Mark all were harder and more conditioned..
This is also the reason we changed the judgng criteria to make it so the finals count for something...In days past, a guy comes in shape in the PJ, then shows up glossed over at the night show, and people would be wondering how he placed so high...
Cedric has a nice career ahead of him..
Thanks for the response. I just felt 2 places is huge, because he needed this to qualify for the O. Agree that Cedric has a better career than any of the other guys who placed ahead of him.
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poor Ruhl.. He needs to quit. :'(
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Judges were obviously rewarding conditioning over shape. Essa, Bill, Mark all were harder and more conditioned..
I doubt anyone had better conditioning than Kef on that show. If the judges were rewarding conditioning over shape so much how did he place 5th? (not even top 3).
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Sure it would, as the judging rounds system should provide for one to move up (or down) throughout the prejudging....
But looking at the Europa judging sheets only the top 5 were judged in the evening- and only their positions changed.
So had this been one of the shows where the top 5 earned a place at the Olympia it would have been impossible for anyone not in the top 5 after prejudging to move up in the evening.
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But looking at the Europa judging sheets only the top 5 were judged in the evening- and only their positions changed.
So had this been one of the shows where the top 5 earned a place at the Olympia it would have been impossible for anyone not in the top 5 after prejudging to move up in the evening.
It wasnt a show where top 5 were qualifying, it was top 3....I've suggested that the judges bring top 6-7 out at shows where top 5 qualify, as anyone with a mathematical chance should be included...so thta number could be 5, 6, and maybe 7.
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I doubt anyone had better conditioning than Kef on that show. If the judges were rewarding conditioning over shape so much how did he place 5th? (not even top 3).
thats a good point. why does mike K contiue to get screwed........
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thats a good point. why does mike K contiue to get screwed........
Because ALL factors are considered...including that he gets dwarfed on stage and he's up and down with a waist he has to control better...while conditioning may have been ONE of the points they focused on, it wasnt the only factor...
Dave Goodin was probably the most conditioned athlete in the 202, but didnt make the top 5....
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Because ALL factors are considered...including that he gets dwarfed on stage and he's up and down with a waist he has to control better...while conditioning may have been ONE of the points they focused on, it wasnt the only factor...
Dave Goodin was probably the most conditioned athlete in the 202, but didnt make the top 5....
ok...you are saying that the most conditioned guy in the open shouldn't get a top 3 spot but the 2nd most conditioned guy should get one because his sponsor benefits from him qualifying for the O. therefore...this is why goodin didnt get a top 3 in 202. there isnt a board or commentator including your bud dave palumbo and his crew at rxmuscle that is buying into this.
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ok...you are saying that the most conditioned guy in the open shouldn't get a top 3 spot but the 2nd most conditioned guy should get one because his sponsor benefits from him qualifying for the O. therefore...this is why goodin didnt get a top 3 in 202. there isnt a board or commentator including your bud dave palumbo and his crew at rxmuscle that is buying into this.
WTF are you talking about?
The most conditioned guy in any show or division doesnt get an automatic pass into the top 3 when he's missing 3 other elements vital to having a "complete physique"....
Goding was ripped, but thats all he had (*with all due respect)...Mike K was ripped, but lacked width, was boxy, and is small.
Comprehending what I write might help in the future...
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It wasnt a show where top 5 were qualifying, it was top 3....I've suggested that the judges bring top 6-7 out at shows where top 5 qualify, as anyone with a mathematical chance should be included...so thta number could be 5, 6, and maybe 7.
I know is was top 3 thats why I said "had it been a show where the top 5 qualified" but this method of judging prevents anyone from moving up in the same way that Gustavo did. Do you think thats a good or bad thing?
With this method it doesn't matter how bad they look in the evening as long as they are in the top 5 then the worst they can place is 5th.
And it also means that you don't even have to show up at the evening show to maintain your placing - Hide 7th in Tampa
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WTF are you talking about?
The most conditioned guy in any show or division doesnt get an automatic pass into the top 3 when he's missing 3 other elements vital to having a "complete physique"....
Goding was ripped, but thats all he had (*with all due respect)...Mike K was ripped, but lacked width, was boxy, and is small.
Comprehending what I write might help in the future...
i seldom worry about what you write....chick. i'm not one of those guys on here trying to out someone ::) or prove i'm all knowing. thanks.
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the pt is no one thinks this guy should have been 2nd even with his conditioning, and his structure is badder than the guys he was moved ahead of. you are the only one ranting so you can prove you are right. opinions are like assholes. gaspari got his guy in the O. that's it. bbing is full of the BS.
I Train with MAXALVISI!
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tThe pt is no one thinks this guy should have been 2nd even with his conditioning, and his structure is badder worse than the guys he was moved ahead of. yYou are the only one ranting, so you can prove you are right. oOpinions are like assholes. gGaspari got his guy in the O. tThat's it. bBbing is full of the BS.
I Train with MAXALVISI!
Corrected for grammar.
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Corrected for grammar.
as noted...ron isn't giving out bonuses...so it isn't that important on getbig. i might pay attention the next time. :)
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I know is was top 3 thats why I said "had it been a show where the top 5 qualified" but this method of judging prevents anyone from moving up in the same way that Gustavo did. Do you think thats a good or bad thing?
With this method it doesn't matter how bad they look in the evening as long as they are in the top 5 then the worst they can place is 5th.
And it also means that you don't even have to show up at the evening show to maintain your placing - Hide 7th in Tampa
Gustavo moved up in prejudging, as anyone can still do....not the night show, where you are correct, only making the finals can give you an opportunity to move up or down...If you're mathmatically in the hunt, you can be called out at the finals.