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Title: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on August 21, 2010, 02:30:36 PM
im sick and tired of working out consistently for years and making only tiny gains. i know my genetics suck but im going to try something which i have often ridiculed- im gonna eat protein every 3 hours consistently, and eat much more calories in general. i might gain fat but i dont care, i can lose it all just by skipping a few meals and sleeping on an empty stomach.
has this actually worked for anyone?
if this doesnt work i know only steroids can help me.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Stavios on August 21, 2010, 02:40:24 PM
nop, doesn't change shit for me.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: JimmyJam1974 on August 21, 2010, 02:40:50 PM
My kidneys gained pains
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Fatpanda on August 21, 2010, 02:42:24 PM
once protein requirements are met, any increase in calories is just as effective for mass gains.

raise calories 500 per day and always increase weight on the bar - you will grow.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: JP_RC on August 21, 2010, 02:51:24 PM
No intake over 1 gr per lb has helped me with better gains, I just wasted calories that could've been used with precious carbs.

I've been as low as 0.75 gr per lb these days and I've noticed very little difference as far as muscle gain/loss too, I think if you're natural there is no point in eating too many calories espacially from protein.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Fatpanda on August 21, 2010, 02:55:31 PM
i was thinking, your macros would have a big say in protein requirements, more so on low calories.

i.e. a low carb diet would need higher protein.

while a high/mod carb diet would not need as much protein due to carbs being protein sparring.

a low carb, low protein would be disastrous.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on August 21, 2010, 03:14:23 PM
then i guess im at or near my natural limit since i havent gained weight or strength in years. what a disappointmen lol, im way too small still.

need to find steroids...
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Captain Equipoise on August 21, 2010, 03:16:17 PM
Only when I was on a shitload of gear, and even then I never took over 250 grams a day, at a weight of 265 (highest I ever reached) now I'm 238 and happy as shit.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Straw Man on August 21, 2010, 03:21:36 PM
then i guess im at or near my natural limit since i havent gained weight or strength in years. what a disappointmen lol, im way too small still.

need to find steroids...

are there any other changes you can make like drinking less, sleeping more, changing your workouts.
I've been lifting for years too and I recently decided to lower my volume to 2 sets per excercise with ~ 3-4 exercises and I've been getting stronger almost every workout (been doing this about 10 weeks now).  
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Nirvana on August 21, 2010, 03:24:44 PM
im sick and tired of working out consistently for years and making only tiny gains. i know my genetics suck but im going to try something which i have often ridiculed- im gonna eat protein every 3 hours consistently, and eat much more calories in general. i might gain fat but i dont care, i can lose it all just by skipping a few meals and sleeping on an empty stomach.
has this actually worked for anyone?
if this doesnt work i know only steroids can help me.
that always helps me

you don't need riduculous ammounts either, just constant fuel
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: benchmstr on August 21, 2010, 03:25:13 PM
as long as its just protein yes....but if it more of everything...no..

bench
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Straw Man on August 21, 2010, 03:31:53 PM
I also take Mass Aminos and Ultra 40 with every whole food meal.  This usually add's ~ an extra 10 or 11 grams of protein per meal and I guess you could do them in btw meals too
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Captain Equipoise on August 21, 2010, 03:55:43 PM
I also take Mass Aminos and Ultra 40 with every whole food meal.  This usually add's ~ an extra 10 or 11 grams of protein per meal and I guess you could do them in btw meals too

amino acids and proviron are the **REAL** two secrets of the pro's.

 ;)
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 21, 2010, 04:01:45 PM
When I eat 3 regular, moderate meals each day (1-2 protein, 1-2 carbs) and drink 2-3 shakes (2 scoops whey with water), I'm way harder (no homo) than I am without the protein shakes.

There are times on vacation or when I'm lazy, that I'll stop shakes for a few days.  And I get soft pretty quick. 

I sure don't buy into the "500 grams a day" bullshit.  But 250 a day is awesome, and 50 grams a day sucks.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: dyslexic on August 21, 2010, 04:06:04 PM
Protein... ha ha.


One of the biggest bodybuilding lies. Bodybuilding magazines would go out of business if people really knew.


Pregnant women need a little extra, then maybe someone recovering from a serious injury... bodybuilders? Bunch of crap.


Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Neptune100 on August 21, 2010, 10:17:59 PM
Upping the protein intake has always worked for me, especially when its spaced in about 5-6 meals at 40-50 grams per meal.  Try and get at least 1 gram per pound of bodyweight.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Captain Equipoise on August 21, 2010, 10:20:21 PM
When I eat 3 regular, moderate meals each day (1-2 protein, 1-2 carbs) and drink 2-3 shakes (2 scoops whey with water), I'm way harder (no homo) than I am without the protein shakes.

There are times on vacation or when I'm lazy, that I'll stop shakes for a few days.  And I get soft pretty quick. 

I sure don't buy into the "500 grams a day" bullshit.  But 250 a day is awesome, and 50 grams a day sucks.


Definetly, I have idiot friends that ramp up to 450-500 a day and all they get is extra protein farts.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Tapeworm on August 21, 2010, 10:26:40 PM
No more so than raising overall calories, and carbs and fats are way more fun to eat.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: jon cole on August 21, 2010, 11:52:03 PM
yes 10 years ago when i started, after 6 month i started to stale, because i was eating shit.

 i up the protein from nothing to 180 gr and started gaining mass.

it was clearly benefic.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 22, 2010, 12:00:43 AM
Definetly, I have idiot friends that ramp up to 450-500 a day and all they get is extra protein farts.

you can smell those guys in the gym from time to time.

a protein fart is like none other
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Swedish Viking on August 22, 2010, 01:14:31 AM
One of the funny things about protein requirements is that it was always 1 gram per kilo of bodyweight.  Then the supplement industry hit a real boom and suddenly it was 1 gram per pound.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: WhiteCastle on August 22, 2010, 01:16:53 AM
I never got anywhere until I started taking endorush and egg whites international.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Omega on August 22, 2010, 04:34:14 AM
Nope other than stinking.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: JasonH on August 22, 2010, 04:52:08 AM
I think you can up protein only to a point, and then there becomes a point of diminishing returns.

Using myself as an example, I've been as high as 500 grams of protein a day in the past and it didn't do anything for me, but 300-400 grams is alright for me as long as my total calories are high too. 1 gram per pound of bodyweight isn't enough for me and I struggle to maintain because my calorie consumption drops as a result also. Like, someone else in the thread said - add extra weight on the bar and really make the effort, as well as increasing total calories in the form of a bit extra protein, complex carbs, and fats and you'll see more gains.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: wavelength on August 22, 2010, 05:14:56 AM
once protein requirements are met, any increase in calories is just as effective for mass gains.

raise calories 500 per day and always increase weight on the bar - you will grow.

QFT
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Fatpanda on August 22, 2010, 05:38:01 AM
Yes he is quite the nutrition expert isn't he - shame he looks like a beached whale.

yes i'd rather look like a mass monster like you  ::)

Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Fatpanda on August 22, 2010, 06:01:29 AM
funny how you always post more at the weekend - when the schools are closed ............ :-X
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Fatpanda on August 22, 2010, 06:11:02 AM
Funny how you are actually fatter than jason kaplan haha

funny how you post on a bodybuilding board - and dont actually lift weight  ::)
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Fatpanda on August 22, 2010, 06:19:27 AM
Funny how you post about body-building - yet your body is built with lard

funny how you are in denial about being a bisexual with a taste for the 'younger' sex of any kind.

actually its not funny - you make me sick.

kill yourself.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Fatpanda on August 22, 2010, 06:24:20 AM
why are you still posting ?

i told you to go kill yourself - fag !
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Fatpanda on August 22, 2010, 06:34:47 AM
 :o
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: splank on August 22, 2010, 07:52:42 AM
HAHAHA...these last couple of posts made me laugh....you two crack me up.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: MCWAY on August 23, 2010, 06:38:29 AM
im sick and tired of working out consistently for years and making only tiny gains. i know my genetics suck but im going to try something which i have often ridiculed- im gonna eat protein every 3 hours consistently, and eat much more calories in general. i might gain fat but i dont care, i can lose it all just by skipping a few meals and sleeping on an empty stomach.
has this actually worked for anyone?
if this doesnt work i know only steroids can help me.

I did that years ago. At least 1 gram per pound of bodyweight. If you're doing that will little result, try 1.25 grams/pound of bodyweight. Go up gradually; don't make a HUGE jump at once, or it's tummy-ache time.

What is your body structure (ectomorph, endomorph, mesomorph)? Current bodyweight? Height?
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: gib on August 23, 2010, 06:54:19 AM
I have, although I now think its less important than I used to. I would reccomend a balanced diet and training as key, and of course correct use of steroids as being most effective for gains.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: buffdnet on August 23, 2010, 07:20:51 AM
then i guess im at or near my natural limit since i havent gained weight or strength in years. what a disappointmen lol, im way too small still.

need to find steroids...
i was gonna say your at your natural limit or close to.
then again that also depends. if your opposed to putting on
some body fat then you will never max out your natural base.
use roids and your not going to compete or don't have the potential
to make a living from bb, is lame as hell. put your health on the line
for how you look in a mirror? LAME
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: SF1900 on August 23, 2010, 07:26:52 AM
I wonder ow Xerxes and Fatpanda would act toward eachother if they ever met in real life.  :D
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: buffdnet on August 23, 2010, 07:30:33 AM
LMAO @ angry whale post
(http://macmcrae.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/monstro.jpg)
are those legal to hunt and kill?
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: ThaRealist on August 23, 2010, 08:14:07 AM
I upped the protein intake and I gained gas and visits to the bathroom
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: MCWAY on August 23, 2010, 12:28:14 PM
When I eat 3 regular, moderate meals each day (1-2 protein, 1-2 carbs) and drink 2-3 shakes (2 scoops whey with water), I'm way harder (no homo) than I am without the protein shakes.

There are times on vacation or when I'm lazy, that I'll stop shakes for a few days.  And I get soft pretty quick. 

I sure don't buy into the "500 grams a day" bullshit.  But 250 a day is awesome, and 50 grams a day sucks.

Now who said anything about 500 grams per day? Nobody in his right mind would recommend anyone going that high, at least not right off the bat.

You increase your intake gradually. If you're stuck, despite consuming, say, 200 grams of protein, you would start by increasing to 250.

When I weighed 189 lbs, I boosted my protein to about 270 or so, from just over 200, or 1.5 grams per lb. of bodyweight. This was back in 1996 (spring semester of college). By semester's end, I reached 210 lbs.

Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Ursus on August 23, 2010, 12:41:40 PM
I went from around 120g to 180-200g and made significant gains in a short time,. Recovery also significantly improved.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on August 23, 2010, 12:51:28 PM
then i guess im at or near my natural limit since i havent gained weight or strength in years. what a disappointmen lol, im way too small still.

need to find steroids...

Try some eastern block workouts. Something like 4 days in row you train the whole body everyday then take 3 days off.

day 1-   5 sets of 5 reps per bodypart/ 1 exercise per muscle group(95%failure)
day 2-   4 sets of 8 reps per bodypart/ 1 exercise per(90% failure)
day 3-   3 sets of 10/12 reps p.bodypart/ 1 exercise per(85% failure)
day 4-   3 sets of 15 reps per bodypart/ 1 exercise per(80% failure)

day 5-   Rest
day 6-   Rest/Cardio
day 7-   Rest
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Master Blaster on August 23, 2010, 12:52:44 PM
i was gonna say your at your natural limit or close to.
then again that also depends. if your opposed to putting on
some body fat then you will never max out your natural base.
use roids and your not going to compete or don't have the potential
to make a living from bb, is lame as hell. put your health on the line
for how you look in a mirror? LAME

All gotta die some time. Might as well die huge.  8)
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Fatpanda on August 23, 2010, 01:44:54 PM
I wonder ow Xerxes and Fatpanda would act toward eachother if they ever met in real life.  :D

that little fag would drop to his knees and beg me not to snap his twig like neck.

it would not stop me.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: doison on August 23, 2010, 01:59:29 PM
These guys all eat a lot of protein: http://www.getbig.com/ranking/prorankm.htm

But the wafer thin bottle necks who post here think a lot of protein is worthless.



Until a study comes out that shows muscle is made of protein, AND humans must get that protein from "eating it," AND 9 of the amino acids that make up that muscle protein MUST come from the diet and cannot be synthesized ANY other way......I'm sticking to the "protein is worthless mantra."

Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: JP_RC on August 23, 2010, 02:32:05 PM
Protein... ha ha.


One of the biggest bodybuilding lies. Bodybuilding magazines would go out of business if people really knew.


Pregnant women need a little extra, then maybe someone recovering from a serious injury... bodybuilders? Bunch of crap.




You know, I'm starting to realize this as well. I've been eating .75 per lb of bodyweight and I've noticed no difference than when I was eating 1 gr or more per lb.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Fatpanda on August 23, 2010, 04:11:39 PM
hahahaha you little fag - first you are going to stab me in the throat, now you are going to shoot me  ::)

i may have nightmares..........
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: JOHN MATRIX on August 23, 2010, 06:08:12 PM


LMAO!!!!

is that a 21 xerxes??
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: buffdnet on August 23, 2010, 07:26:50 PM

that's fucking hilarious. that should get some history to itself
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: MCWAY on August 24, 2010, 07:42:54 AM
then i guess im at or near my natural limit since i havent gained weight or strength in years. what a disappointmen lol, im way too small still.

need to find steroids...

You still haven't cited your height and bodyweight. If I were a betting man, I'd say you're nowhere near your "natural limit". Take it from someone who once thought he might have to take steroids just to get over 200 lbs (at 5'9"); but, ended up by the summer's end of 1996 at 227 WITHOUT THEM.

Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: MCWAY on August 24, 2010, 07:45:01 AM
Protein... ha ha.


One of the biggest bodybuilding lies. Bodybuilding magazines would go out of business if people really knew.


Pregnant women need a little extra, then maybe someone recovering from a serious injury... bodybuilders? Bunch of crap.




Bodybuilding magazines have been in business for DECADES, despite silly claims like this (which in real world applications have been shown, by and large, to be bogus).
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: 240 is Back on August 24, 2010, 07:56:42 AM
I'd like to see a 210+ pound lean bodybuilder (with pics to prove) post that he believes 100 or 150 grams is all he needs.  i haven't seen that yet.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: MCWAY on August 24, 2010, 07:59:56 AM
I'd like to see a 210+ pound lean bodybuilder (with pics to prove) post that he believes 100 or 150 grams is all he needs.  i haven't seen that yet.

You have a better chance of finding a fitness/figure girl with real breasts.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Ropo on August 24, 2010, 08:27:21 AM
im sick and tired of working out consistently for years and making only tiny gains. i know my genetics suck but im going to try something which i have often ridiculed- im gonna eat protein every 3 hours consistently, and eat much more calories in general. i might gain fat but i dont care, i can lose it all just by skipping a few meals and sleeping on an empty stomach.
has this actually worked for anyone?
if this doesnt work i know only steroids can help me.

How much you are training per week?
How many times, how many sets, how many reps? Exact numbers, not any fictional shit.

When I was on my prime, I sometimes count and ad up weights rep by rep, and I usually lift like 40 - 60 000kg (80-120 000lb) per session. That is lot of reps. Nowdays I lift only half of that, and I make better gains than 10 years back. Why? I use perfect form and range of motion with weights which I can control all the time. I do just few sets, but I do all of them to the failure. I also use slow negative motion for just about every exercise, for the last five reps. I gain muscle mass without eating lot of carbs, my diet is something like 2200 calories which has 70% of protein, 20% of carbs and 10% of fat. In fact, I have never gain muscle so fast than right now. I try to eat protein no more than 1 gram per pound.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: MCWAY on August 25, 2010, 06:36:52 AM
How much you are training per week?
How many times, how many sets, how many reps? Exact numbers, not any fictional shit.

When I was on my prime, I sometimes count and ad up weights rep by rep, and I usually lift like 40 - 60 000kg (80-120 000lb) per session. That is lot of reps. Nowdays I lift only half of that, and I make better gains than 10 years back. Why? I use perfect form and range of motion with weights which I can control all the time. I do just few sets, but I do all of them to the failure. I also use slow negative motion for just about every exercise, for the last five reps. I gain muscle mass without eating lot of carbs, my diet is something like 2200 calories which has 70% of protein, 20% of carbs and 10% of fat. In fact, I have never gain muscle so fast than right now. I try to eat protein no more than 1 gram per pound.

Still no word from John about his statistics. Maybe he isn't that serious about getting any advice.
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: CalvinH on August 25, 2010, 06:39:46 AM




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Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
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Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on August 25, 2010, 06:59:01 AM
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Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Chick on August 25, 2010, 07:06:24 AM
This whole notion that there is a magic number, or percentage that applies to everyone is laughable...everyone responds differently, just like they do to training.  What works for one, wont necessarily work for another. Some guys respond better and require more protein, others do not.

Bottom line is this:  If you're a hard gainer and you dont take in much protein...BUMP IT UP.
If you take in ridiculous amounts of protein and make pretty solid gains...LOWER IT and see what happens.





Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: lvtolft on August 25, 2010, 07:56:42 AM
This whole notion that there is a magic number, or percentage that applies to everyone is laughable...everyone responds differently, just like they do to training.  What works for one, wont necessarily work for another. Some guys respond better and require more protein, others do not.

Bottom line is this:  If you're a hard gainer and you dont take in much protein...BUMP IT UP.
If you take in ridiculous amounts of protein and make pretty solid gains...LOWER IT and see what happens.


Spot on Chick.





Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: MCWAY on August 25, 2010, 08:34:38 AM
This whole notion that there is a magic number, or percentage that applies to everyone is laughable...everyone responds differently, just like they do to training.  What works for one, wont necessarily work for another. Some guys respond better and require more protein, others do not.

Bottom line is this:  If you're a hard gainer and you dont take in much protein...BUMP IT UP.
If you take in ridiculous amounts of protein and make pretty solid gains...LOWER IT and see what happens.


The problem is threefold:

1. You have the conspiracy theory folks who think that you and other bodybuilders are in some evil alliance with supplement companies to push high protein intake to, of course, sell protein powder.

2. You have the "woe-is-me" hardgainers, who think they can't go to the bathroom without a syringe. Unless they have some secret pro stack of anabolics, to use from the moment they pick up their father's/uncle's/older brother's cement weights in the garage, bodybuilding just "ain't worth it".

3. You have, what Ron Harris called, the "lean guy" syndrome. Even though they can't bench their own bodyweight, they obsess with putting on too much bodyfat, lest they lose the only muscular development they have (which is hidden 90% of the time anyway). Heaven forbid they jack up their protein or even their carbs and put on 30-35 lbs. in a year (even if half of it's fat).

But, that's my two cents. What say you?

Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: TRIX on August 25, 2010, 04:21:17 PM
Ron harris can speak, juiced to the gills and still a twig
Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Chick on August 25, 2010, 04:29:46 PM
The problem is threefold:

1. You have the conspiracy theory folks who think that you and other bodybuilders are in some evil alliance with supplement companies to push high protein intake to, of course, sell protein powder.


Thats kind of funny to me, as Protein powder is the simpleist form of a supplement, as in, supplementing your food intake...no one can dictate what someone chooses to take, or how much...

2. You have the "woe-is-me" hardgainers, who think they can't go to the bathroom without a syringe. Unless they have some secret pro stack of anabolics, to use from the moment they pick up their father's/uncle's/older brother's cement weights in the garage, bodybuilding just "ain't worth it".

Which has nothing t do with nothing...if the idea is to take supplements to get bigger/ stronger/ faster, then they do what they say they do...no company claims that they're superstar has used ONLY their products to achieve their successes

3. You have, what Ron Harris called, the "lean guy" syndrome. Even though they can't bench their own bodyweight, they obsess with putting on too much bodyfat, lest they lose the only muscular development they have (which is hidden 90% of the time anyway). Heaven forbid they jack up their protein or even their carbs and put on 30-35 lbs. in a year (even if half of it's fat).

It isnt the increase in protein that will lead to them getting fat, it's the carb overload and inability to push themselves away from the table..
But, that's my two cents. What say you?


Title: Re: has anyone actually made big gains by upping protein?
Post by: Ropo on August 26, 2010, 12:09:04 PM
Still no word from John about his statistics. Maybe he isn't that serious about getting any advice.

Mighty Chick has given us his theories, but mine is much more simple: in the gym, there is two kind of people, those who know what they are doing, and those who don't have a clue. First ones will gain muscle and strength, second group gain only some frustration. First group is 15% of all people in the gym, second group is 85%. For changing the group you will need to do few things. 1. you have to learn to listen when somebody gives you advise. 2. you have to learn to feel what is good to your body and whats not. 3. you have to start all over again and LEARN THE FUCKING BASICS.

I go to gym at 6:00 in the morning, and even that time there will be some bozos from group two. They could be fat bastards, or skinny guys, but the common factor with those guys is that they have a need to show me that they can lift more than me, with any mean they could use. Well, that is easy, because I usually use just moderate weights, but there is more than that. I don't have a need to show anything to anybody. My mission is simple, I am there to make my muscles grow, and that's it. Only thing which you have to show off, is that muscle which you are training, everything else is useless shit. When you learn this, you are in the right path, and after realizing that, everything is simple. You need some exercises, protein rich diet and lot of sleep. Just cut the useless shit, do only what is appropriate, be ware for over training and you will gain muscles.