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No .....but in 2002 they did build a non-denomination chapel right at the location where the "plane" hit the building and Muslims pray there every week along with Hindu's, Jews and I guess a few christians too. This thing is actually at ground zero and not 10 blocks away in an old coat factory
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a swing and a miss.
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No .....but in 2002 they did build a non-denomination chapel right at the location where the "plane" hit the building and Muslims pray there every week along with Hindu's, Jews and I guess a few christians too. This thing is actually at ground zero and not 10 blocks away in an old coat factory
I don't know where you have been living Straw, but practically every business in the world has a PRAYER ROOM of some sort to accommodate the various religious beliefs of people. The US military has Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, jewish etc etc accommodations as does most US businesses. I stayed at the Waldorf Astoria once while in New York city and there is a Muslim Prayer room inside the hotel and it has been there for years.
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jebus you guys are dense
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jebus you guys are dense
LOL yup its not you...its everyone else... ;) LMFAO
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a swing and a miss.
lol. Yup.
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Anoher Straw flop.
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a swing and a miss.
Seems to be his modus operandi.
He should stick to making grandiose claims about George Washington and then back-peddling when massively owned on them.
The funniest thing about you drudging this up is that the leftists and apologists have been calling the prayer room in the Pentagon a mosque in their defense of the GZ mosque and this clearly shows that it is not anything close to a mosque.
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Seems to be his modus operandi.
He should stick to making grandiose claims about George Washington and then back-peddling when massively owned on them.
The funniest thing about you drudging this up is that the leftists and apologists have been calling the prayer room in the Pentagon a mosque in their defense of the GZ mosque and this clearly shows that it is not anything close to a mosque.
did I call it a mosque
no I did not
the irony is that this thing is actually at a "ground zero" and muslims prayer there every week if not every day
the whole ground zero mosque is a bullshit controversy being used by the right to keep people upset and divided and keep dumbfounded morons upset about a fake war on terror
the one thing the right in this country does well is frame an issue or label it as something and then the idiots and accolytes just gobble it up and run with it never even bothering to ask any questions
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Yawn. More rambling from you after owning yourself again.
Nice job lashing out. ::)
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Yawn. More rambling from you after owning yourself again.
Nice job lashing out. ::)
as usual
I state mundane and easily verifiable facts and the dingbats on the right impute their own meaning to it and then congratulate themselves on their own stupidity
kudos
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as usual
I state mundane and easily verifiable facts and the dingbats on the right impute their own meaning to it and then congratulate themselves on their own stupidity
kudos
Your argument proves nothing other than the fact that the Pentagon enforces the first amendment. Not only that, but you also managed to own thousands of your far-left buddies by actually admitting that their claims of the Pentagon housing a mosque (it's a multi-denominational prayer room) are nothing more than egregious lies and more fairy-tale spinster propaganda. How ironic for someone who seems to have a problem with people calling it the "Ground Zero mosque" (Protip: the guy heading the project has called it that for months).
You really ought to stick to embarrassing yourself with fallacious claims about George Washington. That was fucking embarrassing.
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as usual
I state mundane and easily verifiable facts and the dingbats on the right impute their own meaning to it and then congratulate themselves on their own stupidity
kudos
Give it up straw - this is another backfire.
Cut your losses while you can.
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Your argument proves nothing other than the fact that the Pentagon enforces the first amendment. Not only that, but you also managed to own thousands of your far-left buddies by actually admitting that their claims of the Pentagon housing a mosque (it's a multi-denominational prayer room) are nothing more than egregious lies and more fairy-tale spinster propaganda. How ironic for someone who seems to have a problem with people calling it the "Ground Zero mosque" (Protip: the guy heading the project has called it that for months).
You really ought to stick to embarrassing yourself with fallacious claims about George Washington. That was fucking embarrassing.
I didn't "argue" anything
I stated a fact
you drew your own conclusions
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Give it up straw - this is another backfire.
Cut your losses while you can.
what part of my first post in inaccurate?
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what part of my first post in inaccurate?
You are trying to make some type of comparison or contrast, im not sure, to this non-denominational chapel or prayer area in the Pentagon to the ground zero mosque.
The two are not even remotely related in any sense.
Hey Straw - how about a shrine to Lee Harvey Oswald in front of the Kennedy Center?
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You are trying to make some type of comparison or contrast, im not sure, to this non-denominational chapel or prayer area in the Pentagon to the ground zero mosque.
The two are not even remotely related in any sense.
Hey Straw - how about a shrine to Lee Harvey Oswald in front of the Kennedy Center?
I didnt' make any comparison - I stated facts and you drew your own conclusions (which you then projected onto me)
Since you brought up the comparison let's look at the facts.
The chapel at the Pentagon is actually at a "ground zero", literally right at the point of the impact. and muslims actually use it as a mosque and it's on government owned property
The one in NYC is not at ground zero, is more a community/cultural center and not merely just a place to pray, and is on private property
funny you should mention Oswald since 911 and the assination of JFK are both controversial in the sense that many people believe both events were perpetrated by someone other than the patsies who have been held to blame.
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I didnt' make any comparison - I stated facts and you drew your own conclusions (which you then projected onto me)
Since you brought up the comparison let's look at the facts.
The chapel at the Pentagon is actually at a "ground zero", literally right at the point of the impact. and muslims actually use it as a mosque and it's on government owned property
The one in NYC is not at ground zero, is more a community/cultural center and not merely just a place to pray, and is on private property
funny you should mention Oswald since 911 and the assination of JFK are both controversial in the sense that many people believe both events were perpetrated by someone other than the patsies who have been held to blame.
The JFK murder is still very fishy. We could go on for pages over that, but Oswalds' words "I'm just a patsy" never sat well with me.
1. It indicates he was at least part of the plot. He did not proclaim his innocence, he said he was the patsy.
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Bwahahaha! This is almost as bad as the "George Washington was a filthy stinking lib" thread. Funny! :)
I think the Village Idiot doesn't realize that the Pentagon is essentially a military installation and most military installations have multi-denominational chapels. But a dum dum won't let the facts get in the way.
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Bwahahaha! This is almost as bad as the "George Washington was a filthy stinking lib" thread. Funny! :)
I think the Village Idiot doesn't realize that the Pentagon is essentially a military installation and most military installations have multi-denominational chapels. But a dum dum won't let the facts get in the way.
The sad thing is that the leftists in the MSM have been trying to pull this same shit. They keep insisting that it's a mosque while conveniently ignoring that it's nothing of the sort.
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I didnt' make any comparison - I stated facts and you drew your own conclusions (which you then projected onto me)
Uh...yes you did. This is a comparison of two locations...
"Is there a mosque in the Pentagon? No .....but in 2002 they did build a non-denomination chapel right at the location where the "plane" hit the building and Muslims pray there every week along with Hindu's, Jews and I guess a few christians too. This thing is actually at ground zero and not 10 blocks away in an old coat factory"
Just because it's factual doesn't mean it's not a comparison. Do you know the definition of "comparison"?
This is why you shouldn't argue with somebody like 33 whose vocabulary exceeds your intellectual capacity.
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LOL hey skip ask him for his definition of hypocrite...thats a knee slapper man
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Bwahahaha! This is almost as bad as the "George Washington was a filthy stinking lib" thread. Funny! :)
I think the Village Idiot doesn't realize that the Pentagon is essentially a military installation and most military installations have multi-denominational chapels. But a dum dum won't let the facts get in the way.
yep except this one is at "ground zero" and muslims pray there every day
isn't that an outrage and an insult ?
If it's not a problem at the pentagon then why would it be a problem 10 blocks away from the WTC?
btw - Washington was a Lib and Radical in his time. He certainly wasn't a conservative in his time
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yep except this one is at "ground zero" and muslims pray there every day
isn't that an outrage and an insult ?
If it's not a problem at the pentagon then why would it be a problem 10 blocks away from the WTC?
btw - Washington was a Lib and Radical in his time. He certainly wasn't a conservative in his time
It's not a mosque. ::)
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It's not a mosque. ::)
no shit sherlock
scrool to the top and read the title of this thread
note the Question Mark
then read the first word in my first post
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LOL hey skip ask him for his definition of hypocrite...thats a knee slapper man
If he doesn't know when he's making a basic comparison, I'm sure it would be.
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yep except this one is at "ground zero" and muslims pray there every day
isn't that an outrage and an insult ?
If it's not a problem at the pentagon then why would it be a problem 10 blocks away from the WTC?
btw - Washington was a Lib and Radical in his time. He certainly wasn't a conservative in his time
You got owned royally in that thread. Leave it alone.
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lol
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You got owned royally in that thread. Leave it alone.
owned how ?
I stated facts
none of which are refuted
if muslims can pray at ground zero at the pentagon then why can't they pray ten blocks away from ground zero in the Park 51 Muslim Cultural Center (and play basketball and ping pong, work out, etc..) ?
what's the difference?
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owned how ?
I stated facts
none of which are refuted
if muslims can pray at ground zero at the pentagon then why can't they pray ten blocks away from ground zero in the Park 51 Muslim Cultural Center (and play basketball and ping pong, work out, etc..) ?
what's the difference?
Beyond clueless. Its 2 blocks not 10, its 14 stories and not some non-denominational low key room open to everyone, not financed by dubious sources seeking to piss people off, etc.
If you dont see the differences you are even more dense than I originally thought.
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owned how ?
I stated facts
none of which are refuted
if muslims can pray at ground zero at the pentagon then why can't they pray ten blocks away from ground zero in the Park 51 Muslim Cultural Center (and play basketball and ping pong, work out, etc..) ?
what's the difference?
It's 500 feet (not 10 blocks, you lying shill). But enlighten me. Can non-Muslims pray at this "Cultural Center"? Let me answer that for you. No, they can't.
This mosque is nothing more than a shrine to Islamic supremacism. If you're too stupid to see that then I feel sorry for you.
You're so fucking clueless on this topic and your attempts at spin are just as pathetic. This thread might be more embarrassing than your George Washington disaster.
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Beyond clueless. Its 2 blocks not 10, its 14 stories and not some non-denominational low key room open to everyone, not financed by dubious sources seeking to piss people off, etc.
If you dont see the differences you are even more dense than I originally thought.
ok so it's 2 blocks not ten
it's not at ground zero (unlike the pentagon)
Again, if muslims can pray at ground zero at the Pentagon why can't they pray (and play ping pong) 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC
what's the difference other than being 2 blocks farther from ground zero than the Pentagon?
here's some more info:
http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2010/08/16/the-ground-zero-mosque-is-not-a-mosque-or-at-ground-zero
First here are the facts: The building in question is planned to be a Muslim community center, a sort of YMCA
(or, I suppose, YMMA). The plans are for it to have fitness facilities (swimming pool, gym, basketball court), a 500-seat auditorium, a restaurant and a cooking school, exhibition space, a library, art studios, a 9/11 memorial--the impudence! the outrage!--and childcare facilities (which no doubt will soon be referred to as a "Manhattan Madrasa"). And it's also going to house a mosque.
But calling the entire building a mosque is a bit like referring to the Empire State Building as a 103-story Walgreens because the pharmacy chain has a store on the ground floor.
And for that matter it's important to keep in mind that it's not at ground zero. It's two blocks north of ground zero, on a street running parallel to the old World Trade Center site. And as FiveThirtyEight's Nate Silver has observed, Park51
although somewhat architecturally daring does not contain minarets or other spire-like features that would give it greater prominence than an ordinary, 12-story building. Like dozens and dozens of other buildings, and several other places of worship near to Ground Zero, it would be quite well concealed among Lower Manhattan's dense street grid.
In other words to look at the building, you wouldn't say: Aha! A mosque! But the press routinely refers to the building as a mosque, and its critics often blur or are unclear about its location. So over the weekend, Texas GOP Sen. John Cornyn, the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, said on Fox News Sunday that, "I do think it's unwise to build a mosque at the site where 3,000 Americans lost their lives as the result of a terrorist attack." (Emphasis added.)
Again, these may seem like small points, but they're not. This debate is taking place on a gut, emotional level. Reasonable critics argue, for example, that this is about sensitivity rather than about liberty. And on that gut level, there's a real difference between a 13-story mosque (which conjures images of a foreign looking structure with minarets and so forth) rising up out of--or even adjacent to--the hole in the ground that used to be the World Trade Center, and a 13-story community center tucked away on a side street a couple of blocks from ground zero. The former lends itself to the sort of irresponsible rhetoric of triumphalist Islamicists that Newt Gingrich goes on about. The latter is, well, reality.
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It's 500 feet (not 10 blocks, you lying shill). But enlighten me. Can non-Muslims pray at this "Cultural Center"? Let me answer that for you. No, they can't.
This mosque is nothing more than a shrine to Islamic supremacism. If you're too stupid to see that then I feel sorry for you.
You're so fucking clueless on this topic and your attempts at spin are just as pathetic. This thread might be more embarrassing than your George Washington disaster.
fuck off
333 corrected that fact and I'm not arguing the point
The mosque is only a tiny part of the entire building and I personally couldn't give a rats ass where anyone wants to pray to their sky god
doesn't mean shit to me and I don't think anything is sacred about WTC
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fuck off
333 corrected that fact and I'm not arguing the point
The mosque is only a tiny part of the entire building and I personally couldn't give a rats ass where anyone wants to pray to their sky god
doesn't mean shit to me and I don't think anything is sacred about WTC
So let me guess this straight. You had no clue as to just how far away from the epicenter of GZ it is yet you think you know what you're talking about here? Shut up and go do some reading.
This is a perfect example of the typical sheeple arguing in favor of this mosque. They are so utterly clueless and know next-to-nothing about this thing yet they speak like they're an authority on the matter. Seriously, you don't even know how far away it's being built. Should we really expect you to know anything at all?
Sacred or not, I'm not in favor of watching this country bend over and take it up the ass for a bunch of Muslims who want to destroy us. Muslims build victory mosques over areas they think they've conquered. This is a FACT. They have destroyed thousands of churches, temples and other important sites of peoples they've conquered.
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Again, if muslims can pray at ground zero at the Pentagon why can't they pray (and play ping pong) 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC
Praying is one thing, building a 150 foot victory shring is a nother. I was listening to the radio and they said there are tapes comiong out where rauf is talking about this particular building solely due to its historical place in the 9/11 narrative of being hit by the landing gear.
This is a victory shrine and in your face act that the imam is lying about.
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Again, if muslims can pray at ground zero at the Pentagon why can't they pray (and play ping pong) 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC
Praying is one thing, building a 150 foot victory shring is a nother. I was listening to the radio and they said there are tapes comiong out where rauf is talking about this particular building solely due to its historical place in the 9/11 narrative of being hit by the landing gear.
This is a victory shrine and in your face act that the imam is lying about.
Anyone who thinks this is being built for any reason besides it being a shrine to Islamic supremacism and a way for them to thumb their noses at the infidel is a fool. Not only have MUSLIMS said this is why they're doing it but just look at the other facts. The name of the project is an homage to Islamic Supremacism. The guy heading up the project wants Sharia Law in this country, will not denounce terrorism and blames America for 9/11.
And most telling of all, there is no Muslim population in that area. There is no demand for a mosque there as there are no Muslims to pray in it. They have to drive into that area to pray there. Now why would they build a mosque there given all that? Pretty fucking simple explanation to that question.
So many ignorant fools in this country.
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Again, if muslims can pray at ground zero at the Pentagon why can't they pray (and play ping pong) 2 blocks from ground zero in NYC
Praying is one thing, building a 150 foot victory shring is a nother. I was listening to the radio and they said there are tapes comiong out where rauf is talking about this particular building solely due to its historical place in the 9/11 narrative of being hit by the landing gear.
This is a victory shrine and in your face act that the imam is lying about.
you're the one calling it a victory shrine
if they have a room filled with picture of the WTC bombing and praising the attack as a good thing and a victory for Islam then I would agree with you
if it's just a building with basketball courts and other shit then why should they care what other people "imagine" it to be
there's nothing they can do about the irrationanal thoughts bouncing around inside your head
if new information comes to light I'll re-evaluate
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Anyone who thinks this is being built for any reason besides it being a shrine to Islamic supremacism and a way for them to thumb their noses at the infidel is a fool. Not only have MUSLIMS said this is why they're doing it but just look at the other facts. The name of the project is an homage to Islamic Supremacism. The guy heading up the project wants Sharia Law in this country, will not denounce terrorism and blames America for 9/11.
And most telling of all, there is no Muslim population in that area. There is no demand for a mosque there as there are no Muslims to pray in it. They have to drive into that area to pray there. Now why would they build a mosque there given all that? Pretty fucking simple explanation to that question.
So many ignorant fools in this country.
show me a muslim who is actually involved with this project who says that is why they are doing it and I'll join you in being pissed about it
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show me a muslim who is actually involved with this project who says that is why they are doing it and I'll join you in being pissed about it
Like I said a few days ago - I think some info will emerge in a few days on this. I was listening to a guy steve emerson who deals with a lot of this stuff who said he has 13 hours of very damaging stuff with rauf. But lets see first of course.
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show me a muslim who is actually involved with this project who says that is why they are doing it and I'll join you in being pissed about it
They're not building it to build bridges as the guy heading the project has said he's against interfaith dialogue. It's well documented that he's pro-Sharia, will not denounce terrorism, blames the US for 9/11 and also has ties to multiple terrorist financing organizations, including the Turkish IHH (well known financiers of AQ and other groups). His wife has said this will help non-Muslims to integrate.
The name of the project is an homage to the Muslim conquest of Europe. There is no Muslim population in that area of NYC. I can go on and on but it's clear to anyone who has done any reading on this that this mosque is nothing more than a shrine to Islamic supremacism. And there are quite a large number of Muslims supporting this claim.
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This Imam has a history of saying one thing in Arabic and another in English.