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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: tbombz on September 04, 2010, 08:31:26 PM
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ive been waiting on some omnadrens and have run out of gear so a buddy of mine hooked me up with a small amount of these zafa testonons. ive done some research and they are definitely legit and everybody whose used em seems to like them. anybody here ever use them? i did my first ampule yesterday and im feeling pretty good today.
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day two. spent the night with my gf. been awak for two hours at the max and already busted two nuts. im thinking this stuff is legit. ;D
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Im using them now also, stuff is g2g and yeah you can just keep busting nuts on it ;D
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I have used them in the past and i know plenty of guys who use them with no problems.
The only issue is that they seem to be underfilled.
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tried zafas once and loved em. just a pain in the ass to open the amp shatters easily.
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yeah, everybody always says they break easy and are underfilled. mine dont seem noticeably underfilled, maybe 1 line off from 1ml, not sure. and the amps seem to take a lot of force to open, but as long as i make sure to apply pressure in the correct areas (make sure the tension will go straight through the skinniest part of the amp), it breaks perfectly clean.
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So far the ones ive used have been filled approx 1ml, yeah the amps can be a bitch to open but Testanon is really good stuff ;)
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I have ran some in the past and they where good. As someone said above their a bit underfilled (.8ml) but for the price you cant go wrong.
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yesterday was a day off and i spent all day eating tons of food, non stop. i was very much expecting to wake up this morning soft, bloated and visibly less defined. but i am big and full, and just as tight as yesterday morning.
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Legit Zafa are g2g, IMO they are a second rate Organon sustanon.
Amps are quite poor quality and cheap, but this is reflected in the price.
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Tbombz why did you stop home brewing?
Legit Zafa are g2g, IMO they are a second rate Organon sustanon.
Amps are quite poor quality and cheap, but this is reflected in the price.
Legit Zafa are g2g, IMO they are a second rate Organon sustanon.
Amps are quite poor quality and cheap, but this is reflected in the price.
For me organons cost about a dollar more per amp so i'll stay with those gladly, zafa is good enough though...
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underfilled and hard to open... over all g2g cheap too!!! ;D
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luolomies- homebrewing is cheap but after one week on zafa i can tell you that no amount of homebrewed gear, no matter how overdosed, will never compare to human grade roids. well, i guess its possible, but ive tried all the best sources for powder and none of them ever resulted in a product that worked like these. i kind of feel stupid now after this, lot of time and money wasted trying to get a good deal when hg amps arent even that bad priced and work so much better
guys, these zafa amps arent hard to break open if you just make sure that your placing the pressure directly across the small portion of the amp.
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guys, these zafa amps arent hard to break open if you just make sure that your placing the pressure directly across the small portion of the amp.
Fold up a tissue, grip the amp with the tissue from the middle and snap the neck with a pen cap.
Works like a charm on any amp and if by small chance the amp breaks you won't cut up your fingers.
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i use the barrel of the syringe to open mine
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luolamies- homebrewing is cheap but after one week on zafa i can tell you that no amount of homebrewed gear, no matter how overdosed, will never compare to human grade roids. well, i guess its possible, but ive tried all the best sources for powder and none of them ever resulted in a product that worked like these. i kind of feel stupid now after this, lot of time and money wasted trying to get a good deal when hg amps arent even that bad priced and work so much better
guys, these zafa amps arent hard to break open if you just make sure that your placing the pressure directly across the small portion of the amp.
Well EVERY single injectable i've used has been hg, i've only used ugl orals... Just that in the end if the Mg's are the same it shouldn't matter...
Guess most powders are shit...
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Well EVERY single injectable i've used has been hg, i've only used ugl orals... Just that in the end if the Mg's are the same it shouldn't matter...
Guess most powders are shit...
ya, thats my conclusion
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Fold up a tissue, grip the amp with the tissue from the middle and snap the neck with a pen cap.
Works like a charm on any amp and if by small chance the amp breaks you won't cut up your fingers.
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Or you can just buy an amp opener 8)
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The scoring stones I got with some Ansamone years ago are an invaluable bit of kit when you have tough amps.
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never used them..i know some that have...said they were alright..
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they dont make multi dosed vials correct? i was sent a picture of a vial that looked well done but it doesnt show them on ZAFAs site so i sent back that they were counterfeit
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Do any of you bros use filter needles? when drawing?
I've yet to get any glass particles in the oil..
doesnt seem to be much of a problem
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Do any of you bros use filter needles? when drawing?
I've yet to get any glass particles in the oil..
doesnt seem to be much of a problem
Don't think its really necessary as the syringe is pretty small and the glass will fall to the bottom of the vial. I have never used a filter with amps, but I guess better safe than sorry.
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Ran them one time, good quality. Started feeling it pretty quick. They were under dosed, @ .8 to .9 ml. They are very tough to snap. I bought a little set of glass files off of Ebay for $8. There are like 8 of them in a little plastic holder. I score all the way around the narrow part of the neck and they snap so easy. I use the files on the Omnas as well. Just takes about 20 seconds to score it and a nice clean break.
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Do any of you bros use filter needles? when drawing?
I've yet to get any glass particles in the oil..
doesnt seem to be much of a problem
absolutely. I actually didnt at first but its so stupid not to. Just cause you dont see any glass particles in the amp doesnt mean they arent in there. MAny times when you score the amp with a file or whatever tiny glass shards will break into it. Only hastle is they take forever to draw out the oil.
All said and done i bet 99 percent of bodybuilders never use a filter needle and are perfectly fine.
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some dude told me that using a filter needle will waste some of the gear though. Maybe thats why most dont use it.
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Most don't use it because needles are so small the glass shards will never make it through the needle
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Most don't use it because needles are so small the glass shards will never make it through the needle
I've had this happen once..and wouldnt pass thru a 20G
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i've had amps break improperly leaving glass inside the oil more times then i can count(mostly from using a dull amp opener or not scoring enough) and i draw with a 20 or 23g and have never had A Problem
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You don't know you have a problem. But flintstones I think it was posted a very good article about glass shards and the risk of them going through your body and lodging in different areas. They are tiny and can very easily pass through a needle when you're sucking up to oil. So to say it's not necessary is stupid. Why not prevent it if you can? We are required to use a filter needle whenever we draw up diluadid from glass ampules at work. It's a lot easier because that's a water based drug but there is a legit medical reason and safety measure inherent in using a filter needle.
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You don't know you have a problem. But flintstones I think it was posted a very good article about glass shards and the risk of them going through your body and lodging in different areas. They are tiny and can very easily pass through a needle when you're sucking up to oil. So to say it's not necessary is stupid. Why not prevent it if you can? We are required to use a filter needle whenever we draw up diluadid from glass ampules at work. It's a lot easier because that's a water based drug but there is a legit medical reason and safety measure inherent in using a filter needle.
I think this is good advice, and I think I will be using a filter from now on when using HG amps. I never really thought about the glass traveling and lodging somewhere else. Thats kinda scary. So, does the body eventually dissolve the glass shards, or does it just eventually wall them off? Good advice MM.
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I think this is good advice, and I think I will be using a filter from now on when using HG amps. I never really thought about the glass traveling and lodging somewhere else. Thats kinda scary. So, does the body eventually dissolve the glass shards, or does it just eventually wall them off? Good advice MM.
I doubt the body breaks down the glass. Im not sure. Like I said I think flinstones posted a very good article about it on this site or over at BOS I don't remember. But basically tiny almost microscopic pieces of glass can travel anywhere and get lodged in arterioles, capillaries, veins, of just about every organ. It was very eye opening as I had no idea and didn't really think much about it. But evidently it does and will happen to people who use ampules. And remember lots of medicine other than steroids come in glass ampules in the medical field so I'm sure there have been problems associated with it. Otherwise why go to the extra expense and trouble of using filters when drawing from a glass ampule. I've never really seen pieces of ampule in any steroid oils but who knows. They could be microscopic and maybe over time cause problems. Hell that's one of the hallmark problems of diabetics........they can't control sugar......and sugar wreaks havoc on blood vessels by acting like "shards of glass".
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Glass ampules and filter needles: an example of implementing the sixth 'R' in medication administration
MedSurg Nursing, Oct, 2006 by Heidi G. Stein
Previous1234567Next ..Hazards Associated with Glass Ampules
Glass particulate contamination. Glass ampules are effective in preserving the purity and shelf life of liquid parenteral medications. Powdered preparations are rarely packaged in ampules. The composition of glass ampules is type 1 grade borosilicate glass, which can be clear or amber, and is scored either chemically or by metal etching (Sabon, Cheng, Stommel, & Hennen, 1989). Prescored ampules, which are usually colored around the neck, break easy without filing. They are available in a variety of sizes (1-10 ml), and with different types of stems (straight and closed) and tips (funnel, double, or fine) (DeLaune & Ladner, 2002).
Research confirmed the multiple potential problems associated with the use of ampules. After an ampule is broken, glass particles can contaminate the solution in the ampule (Furgang, 1974; Gillies, Thiel, & Oppenheim, 1985; Kempen, Sulkowski, & Sawyer, 1989; Preston & Hegadoren, 2004; Turco & Davis, 1972), causing inflammatory changes in both animals (Dorris et al., 1977; Stehbens & Florey, 1960) and humans (Garvan & Gunner, 1964). Glass ampules are not only a potential source of glass fragments but also a source of infectious agents which can contribute to granulomatous lesions in the lung, brain, spleen, and kidney (Garvan & Gunner, 1964). Studies using the animal model also have identified inflammatory changes in the venous endothelium (Dorris et al., 1977; Stehbens & Florey, 1960). With increased infusion time and concentration of particulate matter, reactions can become severe.
Bacterial contamination. Identifying bacteria-contaminated glass fragments (Kempen et al., 1989) prompted the recommendation for filter needles even though it was known that their use would not eliminate the problem entirely. A study by Zacher and coauthors (1991) identified that bacterial contamination through introduction of glass fragments into the drug solution can be minimized by swabbing the neck of the ampule with alcohol before breaking it. Microbial contamination also can occur when using ampules stored in dusty shelves, touched by dirty hands, or held in unsterile gauze, and from needles that come in contact with the external surface of the ampule during the process of withdrawing the drug (Kempen et al., 1989).
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I have 3 MD's in my fiances family and one surgeon.
Never draw with anything larger in diameter than 21g.
My girl's brother is a cosmetic surgeon in Hollywood and he gave me a 30 minute explanation last night on how when glass fractures/breaks, it fractures at such sharp angles it makes the shards of glass impossible to pass through the cylinder pattern of a needle. He said the chances of drawing up a fragment of glass large enough to harm you is almost impossible with a 21g or smaller drawing needle. He said it would take a rock tumbler several days to smooth down a piece of glass enough to pass through a 21g or smaller needle. Any microscopic particles should not allow for any sort of infection.
I also had him read the above article and he said "many things have changed in the last 20 years" and that 99.99% of all injection infections are caused by improper handling of the produce and/or a poorly sanitized injection practice.
Just my .02
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I totally agree with you here...that's why I always draw up using a 23guage for amps
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I totally agree with you here...that's why I always draw up using a 23guage for amps
filtered needle not a 23g ::) even a 25g has still been shown to be capable of sucking up glass particles hazardous to one's health.
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filtered needle not a 23g ::) even a 25g has still been shown to be capable of sucking up glass particles hazardous to one's health.
you are a moron newbie who thinks he knows everything because you read shit off of google...i have never had one problem and all i use is amps... you need to get some real life experience with steroids..how many cycles have you done? 2?
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you are a moron newbie who thinks he knows everything because you read shit off of google...i have never had one problem and all i use is amps... you need to get some real life experience with steroids..how many cycles have you done? 2?
take a step back. Look at what you just said. If it does not look incredibly stupid to you I would be concerned.
What does real world experience have anything to do with the fact that filtered needles are superior to a 23g for drawing and the fact that it may still be dangerous to one's health.
I am sure you can inject chunks of glass and potentially not notice any problems but that does not mean there are smarter methods, no?
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I'm gonna go with what overload posted about this one...the chance of that happening is ridiculously small...I don't know anyone who uses them and I train at an iron gym with all bodybuilders...to each his own..
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I'm gonna go with what overload posted about this one...the chance of that happening is ridiculously small...I don't know anyone who uses them and I train at an iron gym with all bodybuilders...to each his own..
Irongym with all bodybuilders............ ................oh brother........ ::) As if what other meat heads are doing in the gym means fuck all??? I know plenty of guys that reuse needles. Just because you train at a gym with bodybuilders you're opinion matters?
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great another post that's gonna get ruined with non informative bickerin an It normally seems to be the same morons.....i've never experienced or heard of anyone having problems with out using filters...i'm close friends with many ppl that use gear and run many cycles...i think if It was a problem someone would have some type of horror story about It an i honestly have never heard any...if you think its a problem then use a filter if you don't think you need One then don't use It...there are more important things to concern Your self with...like getting regular bloodwork, on and off cycle, somethin most people really don't do regardless of what they "claim"
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I totally agree..has anyone on this board ever even here of a horror story with glass shards? Mcfaggot, I train with some pretty knowledgable people..don't stereotype people that go to iron gyms to all be meatheads
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I'd feel safer cracking an amp open then popping the top off of ugl gear.
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Sort of related. Anyone remember when IP had a warning about multi-dose vials in his list? :D
the rubber in vials are magnet to germs as its porous -pours means small microscopic holes thats germs seek refugee
its common practice to load up ug vials with BB or BA to stop the germs
but BB/BA desolve the rubber both in vial and plunger , just add a drop of BA or BB to stoper and see it melts , then you inject that into your body , used often body infected with silicon ruber result in cancer in long run , nore kiling bacteria remove thier pyrogens
compare to 10ml rebottled with air inside already , and you injecting more of contaminant such as dust and pyrogens each time into it and back into your body ,loaded with BA so you inject silicon rubber into your body each time and God know what impurites the raw material had to begin with
bigger vial means you stick needle in out more so is chance of contamination , but guys think injectables are like a pepsi bottle , bigger ones are better deal !
hard truth about BA/BB :
4 of our customers diagnosed with cancer , one is a IFBB and my friend , cancer ended his career
thier doctors all diagnosed same thing :
thier body infected with rubber from syrenge plunger and vial stopper which desolved by BB/BA
just add few DROPS of %3 BB + %15 BA you recomanding on plunger rubber and leave it for a short while and see it get stuck ,take rubber out and inpect it , you see it desolved ,then you inject that rubber into your body day after day , week after week
thier doctor all said same thing : that lead to cancer and there is no cure for it
maybe thats why according to FDA max safe limit for either or combined BB/BA is only %1 ,any higher do not exist as medicine aproved for injection to human body
we used to make up to 400 mg oils with BB/BA before anyone else but the stuff killing my friends , i can not do this again to anyone ,test our oil , its free of BB and BA
as for tren go , few of my guys kiney failed on tren , kidney do not regenerate like liver so there is no cure
Dan duchaine died because of tren , he choose death rather then going through painfull daily dialysis for rest of his life , dialysis is machine with 2 hoses and 2 huge nail size needle into your sides , then all your blood go into machine to be cleaned , the huge daily IV needle pain and hours it take and get infections after a while with all the hosses and needles going in and out , thats your life to be atached to machine ,if rich you buy machine and keep with you , if not you move near hospital and hope you have good insurance , thats what they tell me ..
tren is worlds most toxic steroid , its not like test which you can inject 1000 mg and only get water ,tren will kill your kidney , thats why it designed to be used at low doses only , if you need more efects from tren stack it with winy or test
steroids can kill you directly like tren or indirectly through all the rubber you injecting into your body
also tren needs BA to go over 75 mg so you get kidney poisen and cancer in one bottle , you want to see emails of MY CUSTOMER with Failed liver
we are worlds first UG producer for over a decade , worlds first 50mg winy when only other was 2.5 mg , first bulk oil , superstuff 400 mg and above which we dont deal with anymore ,we did and seen it all , guys say ug stuff better and dosed higher , have you seen how much is 500 mg ? its tea spoon of powder , now have you seen how big is 1ml of oil ? ,that much powder dont desolve in 1ml of oil unless cancer causeing BA /BB added ,its been said pain caused by alchohls Ba but thats not only cause , too much powder and not enough oil so it crystalize in your ars , powder are tiny crystals which are sharp object and oil gone so turn to a knott in ars cause pain , .. so after first batch they hear complaints and water it down but that 500 mg lable stays so you be sucker .. first batch tested high so sales not efected but at the end you are sucker , guys crying in pain dont help sales.. as for test anything over 285 mg is asking for it so we dont .. tren , primo etc all have low solibility below 100 mg .. we dont use cancer causing alchohls and no superdose cancer bottles
Amps will kill you but so will vials. :D
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I'd like to see some proof of people getting fucked up from amps...I'm sure it can happen just like its possible you can get struck by lightning...I've just never heard of it