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simply put....
we r better than them....BUT.....
FREEDOM OF SPEECH.....BURN IT!!!!!!
i disagree but BURN IT.......
i love this country 8)
and o.....at this point...blak people loose all " you may tlk shit about anyone BUT us" points ;)
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Kinda seems petty. They should burn terrorists, not books.
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Kinda seems petty. They should burn terrorists, not books.
well ..after they burn the korans...which they have EVERY RIGHT to do....
dont complain about 3rd world muslims(people) being idiots :-\
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simply put....
we r better than them....BUT.....
FREEDOM OF SPEECH.....BURN IT!!!!!!
i disagree but BURN IT.......
i love this country 8)
and o.....at this point...blak people loose all " you may tlk shit about anyone BUT us" points ;)
That's what I love about this country , burn baby burn , I don't agree with it but Freedom of Speech shouldn't be tampered with.
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It's a waste of perfectly good toilet paper....
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(http://www.apacheclips.com/images/misc/brothercrow.jpg)
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instead of trying to impress getbiggers...focus on the youth of Pakistan.
never know when those Israeli tanks start rolling again
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At the end of the day, they have every right to do it. However, this puts our troops in afghanistan under more pressure and I think that is whats most important. Some idiots at a church get to go home safely to their homes after they perform this mindless act of protest, while the people protecting them in some shithole country are the ones who have to suffer the backlash.
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seems unecessarily confrontational
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At the end of the day, they have every right to do it. However, this puts our troops in afghanistan under more pressure and I think that is whats most important. Some idiots at a church get to go home safely to their homes after they perform this mindless act of protest, while the people protecting them in some shithole country are the ones who have to suffer the backlash.
oh man u're so so right
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it is fucking stupid...
muslims all over the world will rage on dem americans...
not a smart move...what is the purpose?to show we're not afraid?
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WHO CARES. IT'S JUST A BOOK MADE OUT OF PAPER THAT WAS PROBABLY PRINTED IN SOME SHITTY WAREHOUSE IN CHINA
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What's the point ???
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seems unecessarily confrontational
That's what America is all about. America, fuck yeah!
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I hope the place gets blown to pieces.
(http://www.apacheclips.com/images/misc/brothercrow.jpg)
ahahahhaahahah
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I hope the place gets blown to pieces.
I hope it doesn't That's what these fuckers want. They are parasites.
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I hope it doesn't That's what these fuckers want. They are parasites.
I knew they were scumbags but why would the ywant that? More attention? ??? To spread fear ???
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At the end of the day, they have every right to do it. However, this puts our troops in afghanistan under more pressure and I think that is whats most important. Some idiots at a church get to go home safely to their homes after they perform this mindless act of protest, while the people protecting them in some shithole country are the ones who have to suffer the backlash.
The soldiers in Afghanistan should be burning those poppy fields...oh, I believe that they told not to do so...you really want to hurt someone, take their funding away...
But that would hurt us, wouldn't it?
Qurans what next, Playboys? This is only the beginning, Americans not focusing on the real shit, you blame Muslims, you can Latinos, you can blame blacks, but when are Americans gonna start to Man Up and accept that they are responsible for their own downfall. Got too fat and comfortable...and now want to blame everybody else for fixing the food, instead of blaming themselves for lifting the fork.
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simply put....
we r better than them....BUT.....
FREEDOM OF SPEECH.....BURN IT!!!!!!
i disagree but BURN IT.......
i love this country 8)
and o.....at this point...blak people loose all " you may tlk shit about anyone BUT us" points ;)
Burn all muslims!!!!
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sounds a lot like germany pre holocaust to me
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As a Florida pastor plans a Quran-burning bonfire on September 11, The Daily Beast’s Asra Q. Nomani, herself a Muslim, says there are a few brutal passages in the Quran that need to go up in smoke.
On the plan to burn Qurans this weekend, I say to Muslims: Let's get over the symbolic insult and deal with the very real issues of literal interpretations of the Quran that are used to sanction domestic violence, terrorism, militancy, and suicide bombings in the name of Islam.
Gen. David Petraeus has weighed in, saying that the planned burnings by the Rev. Terry Jones' congregation in Florida will endanger U.S. soldiers fighting in Afghanistan. But I believe that there is something that endangers Americans and American soldiers even more: certain passages that—when read literally—pit Muslims against Americans and the West.
We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran.
I believe the Qurans are being burnt because we, as Muslims, haven't dealt sincerely and intellectually with very serious issues that certain Quranic passages raise, particularly in the West. These include verses—when literally read—that say that disobedient wives can be beaten “lightly,” that Muslims can't be friends with the Jews and the Christians, and that it's OK to kill converts from Islam.
We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran—symbolically, at least, by rejecting literal adherence to certain problematic verses.
The Christian faith had to deal with problematic verses from the Book of Deuteronomy that sanctioned violence. Jews have had to confront rigid readings of the Old Testament that sanctioned stonings. Muslims, too, must re-interpret verses that aren't compatible with life in the 21st century.
Look at one literal reading of the 34th verse of the fourth chapter of the Quran, An-Nisa, or Women. "[A]nd (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them," reads one widely accepted translation. Based on a literal reading, Saudi scholar Abdul Rahman al-Sheha concludes that when dealing with a “disobedient wife,” a Muslim man has a number of options. First, he should remind her of “the importance of following the instructions of the husband in Islam.” If that doesn't work, he can “leave the wife's bed.” Finally, he may “beat” her, though it must be without “hurting, breaking a bone, leaving blue or black marks on the body and avoiding hitting the face, at any cost.”
Such appalling recommendations occur because we haven't yet universally drawn a line in the sand, as Muslims, and said that this verse may have been progressive for the seventh century when women were supposedly beaten indiscriminately, but it isn't compatible with the modern day, if read literally. Instead, we do something called the "4:34 dance," suggesting that the light beating be the result of everything from hitting a woman with noodles (yes, you read that right) to a traditional toothbrush, called a “miswak,” from the root of a plant.
The kidnapping and killing of my friend and colleague Daniel Pearl in 2002 forced me to confront the link between literalist interpretations of the Quran and their role in sanctioning violence in the world. For critics of Islam, these verses are the smoking gun that proves that Islam is intrinsically violent. These are verses such as At-Tauba (“The Repentance”) 9:5, which states that Muslims should “slay the pagans wherever ye find them” or Al-Mâ'idah (“The Table Spread with Food”) 5:51, which reads, “Take not the Jews and Christians as friends.”
We need to reject literal reads of the Quran and recognize that these verses were communicated during specific moments of war, and they aren't edicts for all time. We, as Muslims, must reject the notion that we read these words literally. To many, that would be an act of blasphemy. But, until we do, the literal words of the Quran will be used to rally hate against the faith. And that is why, indeed, Qurans will be burned by the small congregation of about 50 folks from the Rev. Terry Jones' Dove World Outreach Center. It's really just these particular verses that need to go up in smoke.
Asra Q. Nomani is the author of Standing Alone: An American Woman's Struggle for the Soul of Islam. She is co-director of the Pearl Project, an investigation into the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Her activism for women's rights at her mosque in W.V. is the subject of a PBS documentary, The Mosque in Morgantown. She recently published a monograph, Milestones for a Spiritual Jihad: Toward an Islam of Grace. asra@asranomani.com
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-08/get-over-the-quran-burning/
At least one Muslim who gets it.
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Burn every Koran in existence.
Putting our troops in jepordy is nonsense. These animals riot, kill, and blow each other up for fun. They can use any number of current events issues in the media right now as a rallying cry to kill Americans and each other. I'm sure next week Lindsay Lohan will have a wardobe malfunction and that will set off a mass array of suicide bombings world wide.
Fuck them and their high and mighty opinion of a gutter religion founded by a child molesting murderer. No other religion gets this kind of undeserved sympathy and neither should "Islam".
We should support the burning precisely to show that we are not afraid. The more we sacrafice our beliefs to appease these pieces of shit the worse off we are in the long run.
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I wonder how many of these nuts have actually read the Quran from cover to cover. They make ridiculous assumptions about Islam based upon the actions of some lunatic terrorist or a few verses taken out of context. Islam is a religion of peace, justice, equality, and submission to God. Violence is in Islam is haraam (forbidden) unless it comes as self defense. Even in those cases of self defense there are still very strict rules of engagement.
Anyone can get a free Quran online. Read it for yourself!
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sounds a lot like germany pre holocaust to me
Exactly, then it's burn Bibles, next Torahs, Dead Sea Scrolls, then Science books, Philosophy books, anything that can influence us to think---Under the guise of protecting us from "evil"
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they'd be less enthousiastic if someone else was burning Bibles
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let anyone burn any book they want, as long as they paid for that book.
constitution's gotta come first.
The problem is everyone giving this issue attention. Ignore it, give this guy no cameras, and the issue goes away.
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I have read numerous passages from the Koran and I have done reasearch into how the religion is practiced.
I guess the author of the Koran and 10's of millions of people who identify themselves as Muslims that support and engage in terrorism missed all of the parts about non-violence, respect toward others and peace. I guess that they just took all of those parts of the Koran out of context and the rest of you who practice Islam are too cowardly and pathetic to correct them.
Either way, the cowardly and practically voiceless and nameless "moderates" that practice Islam are just as much as fault as the extremists because they either blame the West for everything, justify terrorism, defend terrorists, or go into hiding whenever they have an opportunity to speak out.
Which by the way have you read the Koran, or did you take a multicultural sensitivity training class at a local community college?
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As a Florida pastor plans a Quran-burning bonfire on September 11, The Daily Beast’s Asra Q. Nomani, herself a Muslim, says there are a few brutal passages in the Quran that need to go up in smoke.
On the plan to burn Qurans this weekend, I say to Muslims: Let's get over the symbolic insult and deal with the very real issues of literal interpretations of the Quran that are used to sanction domestic violence, terrorism, militancy, and suicide bombings in the name of Islam.
Gen. David Petraeus has weighed in, saying that the planned burnings by the Rev. Terry Jones' congregation in Florida will endanger U.S. soldiers fighting in Afghanistan. But I believe that there is something that endangers Americans and American soldiers even more: certain passages that—when read literally—pit Muslims against Americans and the West.
We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran.
I believe the Qurans are being burnt because we, as Muslims, haven't dealt sincerely and intellectually with very serious issues that certain Quranic passages raise, particularly in the West. These include verses—when literally read—that say that disobedient wives can be beaten “lightly,” that Muslims can't be friends with the Jews and the Christians, and that it's OK to kill converts from Islam.
We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran—symbolically, at least, by rejecting literal adherence to certain problematic verses.
The Christian faith had to deal with problematic verses from the Book of Deuteronomy that sanctioned violence. Jews have had to confront rigid readings of the Old Testament that sanctioned stonings. Muslims, too, must re-interpret verses that aren't compatible with life in the 21st century.
Look at one literal reading of the 34th verse of the fourth chapter of the Quran, An-Nisa, or Women. "[A]nd (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them," reads one widely accepted translation. Based on a literal reading, Saudi scholar Abdul Rahman al-Sheha concludes that when dealing with a “disobedient wife,” a Muslim man has a number of options. First, he should remind her of “the importance of following the instructions of the husband in Islam.” If that doesn't work, he can “leave the wife's bed.” Finally, he may “beat” her, though it must be without “hurting, breaking a bone, leaving blue or black marks on the body and avoiding hitting the face, at any cost.”
Such appalling recommendations occur because we haven't yet universally drawn a line in the sand, as Muslims, and said that this verse may have been progressive for the seventh century when women were supposedly beaten indiscriminately, but it isn't compatible with the modern day, if read literally. Instead, we do something called the "4:34 dance," suggesting that the light beating be the result of everything from hitting a woman with noodles (yes, you read that right) to a traditional toothbrush, called a “miswak,” from the root of a plant.
The kidnapping and killing of my friend and colleague Daniel Pearl in 2002 forced me to confront the link between literalist interpretations of the Quran and their role in sanctioning violence in the world. For critics of Islam, these verses are the smoking gun that proves that Islam is intrinsically violent. These are verses such as At-Tauba (“The Repentance”) 9:5, which states that Muslims should “slay the pagans wherever ye find them” or Al-Mâ'idah (“The Table Spread with Food”) 5:51, which reads, “Take not the Jews and Christians as friends.”
We need to reject literal reads of the Quran and recognize that these verses were communicated during specific moments of war, and they aren't edicts for all time. We, as Muslims, must reject the notion that we read these words literally. To many, that would be an act of blasphemy. But, until we do, the literal words of the Quran will be used to rally hate against the faith. And that is why, indeed, Qurans will be burned by the small congregation of about 50 folks from the Rev. Terry Jones' Dove World Outreach Center. It's really just these particular verses that need to go up in smoke.
Asra Q. Nomani is the author of Standing Alone: An American Woman's Struggle for the Soul of Islam. She is co-director of the Pearl Project, an investigation into the murder of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl. Her activism for women's rights at her mosque in W.V. is the subject of a PBS documentary, The Mosque in Morgantown. She recently published a monograph, Milestones for a Spiritual Jihad: Toward an Islam of Grace. asra@asranomani.com
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-08/get-over-the-quran-burning/
At least one Muslim who gets it.
Good article.
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let anyone burn any book they want, as long as they paid for that book.
constitution's gotta come first.
The problem is everyone giving this issue attention. Ignore it, give this guy no cameras, and the issue goes away.
You sure? Florida's always got crazy on tap. ;D
/and crazy lite. and unfiltered crazy. seasonal crazies, too. just ask your server.
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All this rage over burning some Korans yet there wasn't even a mention by the MSM or apologists of the 110 year old Christian statute in Indonesia that was destroyed by Muslim mobs in June. Or the 2 dozen or so churches burned down there this year. Or the Turkish bishop who was stabbed 25 times and nearly decapitated by his driver who shouted "Allah Akbar" while doing it. Or the 300+ year old church in Turkey that was vandalized last month. Or the fact that Pakistan's government has accepted hundreds of millions in flood aid from non-Muslims in the West and is now denying any flood aid to Ahmadis and Christians. Or the 3 Christian aid workers assisting with flood relief in Pakistan who were murdered two weeks ago by Muslims for being Christian. Or the Saudi and Iranian clerics who have recently said that democracy, freedom and human rights have no place in Islam (these are high authorities on Islam saying this). Sadly, I can go on all day.
I have read numerous passages from the Koran and I have done reasearch into how the religion is practiced.
I guess the author of the Koran and 10's of millions of people who identify themselves as Muslims that support and engage in terrorism missed all of the parts about non-violence, respect toward others and peace. I guess that they just took all of those parts of the Koran out of context and the rest of you who practice Islam are too cowardly and pathetic to correct them.
Either way, the cowardly and practically voiceless and nameless "moderates" that practice Islam are just as much as fault as the extremists because they either blame the West for everything, justify terrorism, defend terrorists, or go into hiding whenever they have an opportunity to speak out.
Which by the way have you read the Koran, or did you take a multicultural sensitivity training class at a local community college?
I suppose the 110+ verses in the Koran directly advocating violence against non-Muslims and the spreading of Islam by the sword were fabricated by the anti-Islam crowd. I doubt that clown has read sentence 1 of the Koran. ::)
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The pastor has the right to burn the Koran, but it is not right to do so. It is a needless provocation.
You know, sort of like building a mosque next to Ground Zero, on a building upon which a piece of Mohammed Atta's plane landed.
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oh yeah, there are some batshit crazy ppl in FL... but as long as they do their crazy shit on their own property, I could care less.
It's their property, let them burn it. Same with the d-bags on the other side of the world burning american flags. If FOX and CNN didn't show up with cameras, it would just be some dumbshite poor loser burning his own cloth, his own property. They empower these morons with TV, and everyone here gets sooo offended, that the losers get a win.
Just ignore them. Let them burn any property they want. But don't give them a platform for it. Don't get all offended. Shrug, tell them to piss off. Life's too short to sit around worrying with some broke moron on the other side of the world *thinks of me*.
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I wonder how many of these nuts have actually read the Quran from cover to cover. They make ridiculous assumptions about Islam based upon the actions of some lunatic terrorist or a few verses taken out of context. Islam is a religion of peace, justice, equality, and submission to God. Violence is in Islam is haraam (forbidden) unless it comes as self defense. Even in those cases of self defense there are still very strict rules of engagement.
Anyone can get a free Quran online. Read it for yourself!
Its a trap, anyone searching for the quran online gets put on some kind of list :P
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it's just a book, and it's not like it's going out of print.
and why do everyone have to play along in a peoples mental illness and delusion, just to not upset them?
if it yours do whatever with it.
if I was a christian I couldn't care less if some one burned bibles. big fucking deal?
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Burn it.
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yes along with it we can also burn the bible.
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Exactly, then it's burn Bibles, next Torahs, Dead Sea Scrolls, then Science books, Philosophy books, anything that can influence us to think---Under the guise of protecting us from "evil"
I just dont see how it's only whatever years after the holocaust and yet people are still falling for the hate propaganda directed at some "outsider's" religion. At least some of us adults are not easily swayed by hate speech but children are. Sounds a little scary to me.
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It is wrong.
“Support the troops” is a phrase Americans like to throw around, and it is easy to say it because for most people the phrase is meaningless: it requires no action, sacrifice, or change on the part of the person who utters it. Here we have a case where supporting the troops means not doing something as inflammatory as burning the Koran. Military leaders have specifically warned that making this very public and offensive gesture may well imperil the lives of troops abroad by inspiring and stirring up radicals and insurgents in the war zone.
Anyone with a child in the war zone should be opposed to this. It is safe to assume the “pastor” planning to burn the Koran does not have a child serving in the war zone right now. ::)
Bah! Doom disapproves.
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oh yeah, there are some batshit crazy ppl in FL... but as long as they do their crazy shit on their own property, I could care less.
It's their property, let them burn it. Same with the d-bags on the other side of the world burning american flags. If FOX and CNN didn't show up with cameras, it would just be some dumbshite poor loser burning his own cloth, his own property. They empower these morons with TV, and everyone here gets sooo offended, that the losers get a win.
Just ignore them. Let them burn any property they want. But don't give them a platform for it. Don't get all offended. Shrug, tell them to piss off. Life's too short to sit around worrying with some broke moron on the other side of the world *thinks of me*.
You = wise man.
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"Gen. David Petraeus has weighed in, saying that the planned burnings by the Rev. Terry Jones' congregation in Florida will endanger U.S. soldiers fighting in Afghanistan".
What about the additional danger Petraeus has put U.S. soldiers in by restricting their "Rules of Engagement" in Afghanistan?
"In his first tactical directive since assuming command of international forces in Afghanistan, General David Petraeus doubled down on the orders imposed by his predecessor that put a premium on protecting civilians first to win their support. For months those rules of engagement, formulated by General Stanley McChrystal, have led to rank-and-file grumblings by U.S. soldiers. The servicemen say that the strict rules put them in greater danger, even as they aim to avoid civilian casualties. The grumbling is unlikely to diminish with the new directives that Petraeus issued on Wednesday August 4, 2010.
The call for a disciplined use of force, plus added restrictions, were not what most troops were hoping for. U.S. soldiers contend the current policies have handicapped their ability to effectively take on the Taliban, a guerrilla force that doesn't have to play by the same rules. Now, rather than loosen the rules of engagement as many would have preferred, General Petraeus has tightened them. General Petraeus has expanded the ban on air strikes and artillery fire to all types of buildings, tree-lined areas and hillsides where it is difficult to distinguish who is on the ground.
I can't see where 50 people in a congregation burning a book are going to put U.S. soldiers more at risk than General Petraeus' new tightened Rules of Engagement" in Afghanistan?
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I wonder how many of these nuts have actually read the Quran from cover to cover. They make ridiculous assumptions about Islam based upon the actions of some lunatic terrorist or a few verses taken out of context. Islam is a religion of peace, justice, equality, and submission to God. Violence is in Islam is haraam (forbidden) unless it comes as self defense. Even in those cases of self defense there are still very strict rules of engagement.
Anyone can get a free Quran online. Read it for yourself!
Do you know if they have express shipping? I need one by the 11th.
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If you are in fact interested in burning one feel free to visit www.freequran.com
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Id like to listen to the audio book of the quran as read by steven wright or the ultimate warrior. Anyone have a link?
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WHO CARES. IT'S JUST A BOOK MADE OUT OF PAPER THAT WAS PROBABLY PRINTED IN SOME SHITTY WAREHOUSE IN CHINA
Exactly! I don't think the Bible or Koran or Morman testament, etc is from God, so I could care less.
Far better to simply say you don't belive any of it and leave it at that.
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is there any muslims on here on getbig willing to give me a free koran before 9/11
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How many muslims does it take to screw in a light bulb.
Since when do caves have electricity.
:D
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Burn every Koran in existence.
Putting our troops in jepordy is nonsense. These animals riot, kill, and blow each other up for fun. They can use any number of current events issues in the media right now as a rallying cry to kill Americans and each other. I'm sure next week Lindsay Lohan will have a wardobe malfunction and that will set off a mass array of suicide bombings world wide.
Fuck them and their high and mighty opinion of a gutter religion founded by a child molesting murderer. No other religion gets this kind of undeserved sympathy and neither should "Islam".
We should support the burning precisely to show that we are not afraid. The more we sacrafice our beliefs to appease these pieces of shit the worse off we are in the long run.
George, please run in 2012......you are the man!
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I think this sends a strong message to the muslim world. Europe should follow. It sends the right message to muslims. We'll defend your rights to pratice, however not receptive to your religion.
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Save a korean, burn a muslim!!
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WHO CARES. IT'S JUST A BOOK MADE OUT OF PAPER THAT WAS PROBABLY PRINTED IN SOME SHITTY WAREHOUSE IN CHINA
your talking about the bible right?
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Save a korean, burn a muslim!!
weeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Burn every Koran in existence.
Putting our troops in jepordy is nonsense. These animals riot, kill, and blow each other up for fun. They can use any number of current events issues in the media right now as a rallying cry to kill Americans and each other. I'm sure next week Lindsay Lohan will have a wardobe malfunction and that will set off a mass array of suicide bombings world wide.
Fuck them and their high and mighty opinion of a gutter religion founded by a child molesting murderer. No other religion gets this kind of undeserved sympathy and neither should "Islam".
We should support the burning precisely to show that we are not afraid. The more we sacrafice our beliefs to appease these pieces of shit the worse off we are in the long run.
don't you see the similarities of the USA and Christians and Muslim's? The USA went into Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, blew people up killed hundreds of thousands of people for what? Muslim's see our excuses for entering other lands as just as ridiculous as American's view Muslim's excuses for violence, in the end human beings are violent by nature.
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Also I bet any parent with a child in Afghanistan or Iraq right now is not supportive of this, it is just idiotic like many people have said to do this, people will end up dead because of some idiot, frankly he should be arrested, because he will be the cause of many deaths and that will be on his conscious the rest of his life.
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STFU you fucking mongrel and learn some US history before your fat ass lectures anybody about anything.
WTF does Christianity have to do with Vietnam, Iraq, Korea or any other war the US has fought?
Your point is so unbelievably stupid that I'm not going to waste anymore time responding. You just owned yourself royally with that braindead comment.
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enough said
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STFU you fucking mongrel and learn some US history before your fat ass lectures anybody about anything.
WTF does Christianity have to do with Vietnam, Iraq, Korea or any other war the US has fought?
Your point is so unbelievably stupid that I'm not going to waste anymore time responding. You just owned yourself royally with that braindead comment.
This countries decisions are based on the bible and Christianity. Most all presidents are Christian. We help Israel to fulfill a bible prophecy of a land for the Jews called Israel. It all ties in, if you don't see it your blinded by your patriotism.
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This countries decisions are based on the bible and Christianity. Most all presidents are Christian. We help Israel to fulfill a bible prophecy of a land for the Jews called Israel. It all ties in, if you don't see it your blinded by your patriotism.
You are probably the most lame gimmick account on getbig. Sarcasm only works when it's funny.
Hope this helps.
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When I was a kid a friend of mine burned a bible once to see what would happen. We had been taught in church that if you do that "the devil will come to get you and bad things will happen". He first burned one page - nothing happened. Then another, then the whole thing. Nothing happened! But we were damn scared at the time.
Funny looking back, how as a kid I believed all those stories about the Easter Bunny, Father Christmas, God, the devil etc. I even though the cookie monster on Sesame Street was real!
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I think this sends a strong message to the muslim world. Europe should follow. It sends the right message to muslims. We'll defend your rights to pratice, however not receptive to your religion.
Here is the deal.
In a Muslim therocratic based nation like Saudi Arabia, they stone women for showing their face in public. :o
Here in the good ol' USA you can LEGALLY burn a Bible , Koran ...or DVD of Goodrum posing, etc
I say this Koarn burning is a NON issue and could care less , one way or the other.
Of course in 1930's Germany , they burned Einstein's books and then wondered why we ended up with an atomic boomb first. LOL, Hitler , what a dumb ass for doing that hehehe
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I don't like the whole book burning thing. It's a fuck you to muslims around the world and it's not necessary.
I also oppose the victory mosque that they are planning to build at ground zero. This is a fuck you to the USA. There are 100 mosques in New York. It doen't need to be built there.
This is why I hate people and I hate organized religion.
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Obama is a Muslim supporter. For the Muslims that organized Sep 11, this is the ultimate conquest - a Muslim temple where the World Trade Centre was - the ultimate reminder - don't fuck with Muslims - we dominante you - we conqured you! I wonder how all the US guys who fought overseas "defending America" feel about this.
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I don't like the whole book burning thing. It's a fuck you to muslims around the world and it's not necessary.
I also oppose the victory mosque that they are planning to build at ground zero. This is a fuck you to the USA. There are 100 mosques in New York. It doen't need to be built there.
This is why I hate people and I hate organized religion.
BINGO. They want to use the USA's laws and freedoms to promote their ground zero mosque ( 2 blocks away). Ok fine, but why is in a Muslim nation they make it illegal for jews or christains to do the same thing? Seems damn hypocrtical to me.
At least the USA is fair and consistant on this issue.
I am sick of folks useing their religion as the basis for anything.
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Obama is a Muslim supporter. For the Muslims that organized Sep 11, this is the ultimate conquest - a Muslim temple where the World Trade Centre was - the ultimate reminder - don't fuck with Muslims - we dominante you - we conqured you! I wonder how all the US guys who fought overseas "defending America" feel about this.
I was a US marine and while I don't agree with the 9/11 mosque, it is ILLEGAL for the Pres or anyone else to block it based on religious grounds.
Unlike them, we protect the freedoms of all people here in the USA. I know, I know, don't bore me with the all the "facts" about Obama being a secret Muslim from Kenya.
FYI, one nuke boomer sub with a doz or so mega ton nuke cruise missles can turn the dessert sand into glass and vaporize every jihadist from here to the hills of Baghdad . They knocked down a couple buildings , big deal, they don't dominate jack squat.
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Dont fascist countrys burn books?
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Dont fascist countrys burn books?
I say we go down to the Koran burnings and LIGHT FARTS while watching them across the street :o
THAT is the kind of public demonstration I could support.
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(http://www.911sharethetruth.com/images/posters/P22.jpg)
enough said
Soooo, was it Pres Bush or VP Cheney that had the detonator? ::)
That 9/11 Inside Job crap is reatrded, c'mon get real.
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simply put....
we r better than them....BUT.....
FREEDOM OF SPEECH.....BURN IT!!!!!!
i disagree but BURN IT.......
i love this country 8)
and o.....at this point...blak people loose all " you may tlk shit about anyone BUT us" points ;)
im not defending the muslims but if youd take time out of your day to burn a koran your really a dumbass lol
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We have to understand each other. Not hate each other.
No.
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I was at Chelsea Piers when the Towers were hit. I was listening to Howard Stern and he said the first tower was hit. I went outside and saw it smoking. Saw the second plane hit as clear as day. Have no beef with anyone. But Pome Britts aren't my fondness. Timmy is not a Muslim. I'm all for no burning of nothing. Burning the Quran is moving backwards. We have to understand each other. Not hate each other.
I could care less about lighting books up and buring them. I do like the idea of a hot babe smokin' my pipe however. :D
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I was at Chelsea Piers when the Towers were hit. I was listening to Howard Stern and he said the first tower was hit. I went outside and saw it smoking. Saw the second plane hit as clear as day. Have no beef with anyone. But Pome Britts aren't my fondness. Timmy is not a Muslim. I'm all for no burning of nothing. Burning the Quran is moving backwards. We have to understand each other. Not hate each other.
Damn straight! Lets kill those cave monkeys!!!
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Damn straight! Lets kill those cave monkeys!!!
Light farts not books is my motto
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They should burn terrorists
Burn every Koran in existence.
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Finally, he may “beat” her, though it must be without “hurting, breaking a bone, leaving blue or black marks on the body and avoiding hitting the face, at any cost.”
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lĺl beat her but dont hurt her.....stupid fucking muslims.
whats the fun of beating a woman if you cant hurt her?
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In mosques and madrasas around the world, Islamic Imams preach about the need for the global expansion of Islam, and the strategy behind this expansion involves four phases that depend on the level of Islam’s penetration.
Phase 1: When Islam starts to enter a region (e.g., most Canadian provinces and US states), it keeps a low profile. When required, it introduces itself as a religion of peace.
Phase 2: When a critical mass of Muslims gathers, Islam demands recognition of the applicability of the Sharia law to the members of its community (e.g., Canadian province of Ontario and US state of Minnesota).
Phase 3: When the Muslim population becomes a large minority, Islam demands incorporating elements of Sharia law into the host nation’s legal system (e.g., Germany). This demand appeals to and exploits the egalitarianism of Western democracies and is often supported by “rogue” elements from the Muslim community that engage in or threaten violence (e.g., France and UK).
Phase 4: When the Muslim population becomes the majority and/or Islam gains control of a nation (e.g., Taliban in Afghanistan prior to 2001), Sharia law is imposed on the nation, which is then locked down against non-Islamic influences, principally Christianity. The ideal Islamic state is Saudi Arabia, where Sharia is the only law of the land and enforced without mercy.
This expansion is financed by Saudi oil profits, driven by high birth rate, and will benefit if Iran acquires nuclear weaponry and/or radicals gains control of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal.
Sharia Europe
Sharia law entered Europe after WWII when the weakened European nations retracted from their colonies, bringing to Europe their former colonial subjects as both refugees and cheap labor from such Muslim nations as Pakistan (UK), Turkey (Germany) and Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia (France).
Initially, Sharia law was applied discretely within the small Muslim communities of Europe. But after two generations of high birth rate and immigration, those communities have grown to where the Sharia law now challenges the Judeo-Christian foundations of their host European nations.
In Germany, for example, Muslim men have successfully used the Sharia law in court to defend their right to beat their wives and to practice polygamy.
In United Kingdom, where Islamic imams now outnumber Christian pastors and converting empty church buildings into mosques has become a cottage industry, the Archbishop of Canterbury – the leader of the Church of England – recently stated that adopting elements of the Sharia law into the English judicial system was “unavoidable”.
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That retard should be able to burn qurans offcourse, and i would laugh about it because its fun when people are offended when their religion is ridiculed and bashed.
but that pastor is no better than these despotic beards in afghanistan.
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Burn every Koran in existence.
Putting our troops in jepordy is nonsense. These animals riot, kill, and blow each other up for fun. They can use any number of current events issues in the media right now as a rallying cry to kill Americans and each other. I'm sure next week Lindsay Lohan will have a wardobe malfunction and that will set off a mass array of suicide bombings world wide.
Fuck them and their high and mighty opinion of a gutter religion founded by a child molesting murderer. No other religion gets this kind of undeserved sympathy and neither should "Islam".
We should support the burning precisely to show that we are not afraid. The more we sacrafice our beliefs to appease these pieces of shit the worse off we are in the long run.
American soldiers dont bomb and shoot innocent people in arab countries no?
They can kill hundreds and its deemed ok
But one white trash american soldier gets killed (in a war) and its a tragedy!!
Its a fucking war
Your country is fucked up enough without concentrating on 'freeing iraq'
Get the fuck out of iraq, that would free it up
Now muslim extremists piss me off, they have england in uproar but human rights interfere when they are going to be jailed/deported
In america, uk, ireland etc there should be no mosques, in arab countries the american soldiers should not be
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Its simple really
If you come to our countries you respect our law and religion
If you dont like that then fuck off
Same goes for american soldiers in iraq etc, they have no business being there, fuck home
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Its simple really
If you come to our countries you respect our law and religion
If you dont like that then fuck off
Same goes for american soldiers in iraq etc, they have no business being there, fuck home
reptilians
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Some really dumb people in this thread talking about a "country" burning the korans......it's not a federal program, although it should be imo, its one guys church....and its also funny to me that many of the same people defending the "right" of the turds to build the mosque at ground zero are not saying the same thing about this. Dullards.
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We're blaming an entire religion for the act of some extremist! Get a history book and read about some of the atrocities committed by extremist Christians in the name of religion. Should all of those who believe in Christianity be held accountable?
Most Muslims are peaceful just like most Christians are peaceful. Peoples should not be held responsible for the radicals of their particular faiths.
We really are giving ammunition to extremist Muslims with all of this bullshit.
They'll look at this and say "We told you. Despite all of it's high ideals, America is basically a Christian's only club! Others need not apply."Not true but that is how it will be seen and twisted.
We have very comfortable lives as citizens in this country. Don't know if we're ready for all of that to change.
And to all of the "bring it on" Cowboys out there....
that's easy to say until people you care about are murdered.
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In mosques and madrasas around the world, Islamic Imams preach about the need for the global expansion of Islam, and the strategy behind this expansion involves four phases that depend on the level of Islam’s penetration.
Phase 1: When Islam starts to enter a region (e.g., most Canadian provinces and US states), it keeps a low profile. When required, it introduces itself as a religion of peace.
Phase 2: When a critical mass of Muslims gathers, Islam demands recognition of the applicability of the Sharia law to the members of its community (e.g., Canadian province of Ontario and US state of Minnesota).
Phase 3: When the Muslim population becomes a large minority, Islam demands incorporating elements of Sharia law into the host nation’s legal system (e.g., Germany). This demand appeals to and exploits the egalitarianism of Western democracies and is often supported by “rogue” elements from the Muslim community that engage in or threaten violence (e.g., France and UK).
Phase 4: When the Muslim population becomes the majority and/or Islam gains control of a nation (e.g., Taliban in Afghanistan prior to 2001), Sharia law is imposed on the nation, which is then locked down against non-Islamic influences, principally Christianity. The ideal Islamic state is Saudi Arabia, where Sharia is the only law of the land and enforced without mercy.
This expansion is financed by Saudi oil profits, driven by high birth rate, and will benefit if Iran acquires nuclear weaponry and/or radicals gains control of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal.
Sharia Europe
Sharia law entered Europe after WWII when the weakened European nations retracted from their colonies, bringing to Europe their former colonial subjects as both refugees and cheap labor from such Muslim nations as Pakistan (UK), Turkey (Germany) and Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia (France).
Initially, Sharia law was applied discretely within the small Muslim communities of Europe. But after two generations of high birth rate and immigration, those communities have grown to where the Sharia law now challenges the Judeo-Christian foundations of their host European nations.
In Germany, for example, Muslim men have successfully used the Sharia law in court to defend their right to beat their wives and to practice polygamy.
In United Kingdom, where Islamic imams now outnumber Christian pastors and converting empty church buildings into mosques has become a cottage industry, the Archbishop of Canterbury – the leader of the Church of England – recently stated that adopting elements of the Sharia law into the English judicial system was “unavoidable”.
GREAT post and pretty acurate. The Muslim religion alone is NOT the real issue. It is extreme fanatics that want it to be law.
Thank GOD for the US constitution.
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We're blaming an entire religion for the act of some extremist! Get a history book and read about some of the atrocities committed by extremist Christians in the name of religion. Should all of those who believe in Christianity be held accountable?
Most Muslims are peaceful just like most Christians are peaceful. Peoples should not be held responsible for the radicals of their particular faiths.
We really are giving ammunition to extremist Muslims with all of this bullshit.
They'll look at this and say "We told you. Despite all of it's high ideals, America is basically a Christian's only club! Others need not apply."Not true but that is how it will be seen and twisted.
We have very comfortable lives as citizens in this country. Don't know if we're ready for all of that to change.
And to all of the "bring it on" Cowboys out there....
that's easy to say until people you care about are murdered.
Ummm, the last time anyone was killed in the name of christianity was about 500 yrs ago, chief. Up to and including today, someone will be killed in the name of islam.....see the difference?
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We're blaming an entire religion for the act of some extremist! Get a history book and read about some of the atrocities committed by extremist Christians in the name of religion. Should all of those who believe in Christianity be held accountable?
Most Muslims are peaceful just like most Christians are peaceful. Peoples should not be held responsible for the radicals of their particular faiths.
We really are giving ammunition to extremist Muslims with all of this bullshit.
They'll look at this and say "We told you. Despite all of it's high ideals, America is basically a Christian's only club! Others need not apply."Not true but that is how it will be seen and twisted.
We have very comfortable lives as citizens in this country. Don't know if we're ready for all of that to change.
And to all of the "bring it on" Cowboys out there....
that's easy to say until people you care about are murdered.
Truth
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I agree that the ideal state is where all religions are respected equally by all people.
Sadly this is not the case in muslim Nations.
They always demand religeous tolerance in NON Muslim nations but give very little in their own Muslim countires. wtf?
We're blaming an entire religion for the act of some extremist! Get a history book and read about some of the atrocities committed by extremist Christians in the name of religion. Should all of those who believe in Christianity be held accountable?
Most Muslims are peaceful just like most Christians are peaceful. Peoples should not be held responsible for the radicals of their particular faiths.
We really are giving ammunition to extremist Muslims with all of this bullshit.
They'll look at this and say "We told you. Despite all of it's high ideals, America is basically a Christian's only club! Others need not apply."Not true but that is how it will be seen and twisted.
We have very comfortable lives as citizens in this country. Don't know if we're ready for all of that to change.
And to all of the "bring it on" Cowboys out there....
that's easy to say until people you care about are murdered.
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I agree that the ideal state is where all religions are respected equally by all people.
Sadly this is not the case in muslim Nations.
They always demand religeous tolerance in NON Muslim nations but give very little in their own Muslim countires. wtf?
Shhhhhh Howard.....you are making too much sense....
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Shhhhhh Howard.....you are making too much sense....
I would ask the Saudi's if they were willing to have a Christian Church or Jewish Synogouge , a couple hundred feet from the black stone shrine in Mecca?
If they said no, I would say same deal with the 9/11 site mosque. ;)
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I would ask the Saudi's if they were willing to have a Christian Church or Jewish Synogouge , a couple hundred feet from the black stone shrine in Mecca?
If they said no, I would say same deal with the 9/11 site mosque. ;)
Again man, you are making waaaaay too much sense on this topic. ;D
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Again man, you are making waaaaay too much sense on this topic. ;D
I think this sums it up :
Pres. Obama could offer to make ground zero an "all faiths" exhibit.
His design would include a statue of: Moses (Jews) , Jesus ( Christian), Jospeh Smith ( Mormons) , The Buhda , Vishna ( Hindu) etc and the Prophet Mohammed ( Muslim).
Guess which group is the only one putting out death threats for showing an "image " of their guy? ::)
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I think this sums it up :
Pres. Obama could offer to make ground zero an "all faiths" exhibit.
His design would include a statue of: Moses (Jews) , Jesus ( Christian), Jospeh Smith ( Mormons) , The Buhda , Vishna ( Hindu) etc and the Prophet Mohammed ( Muslim).
Guess which group is the only one putting out death threats for showing an "image " of their guy? ::)
Those danged rowdy mormons !!!! ;) ;D
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TYR and Showstoppa summed up everything I was going to say, so no point in repeating the same stuff. A single individual burning a book has nothing to do with America. It's not sanctioned by the government. It's freedom of speech. Many of you in this thread can't wrap your tiny brains around this fact. In addition, America has never and would never go to war over religion. Are you people fucking retarded or what? Bone up on your US and World History and get a clue.
To Rome, your post is nonsense on many levels. First of all, how is violence in the name of religion committed by Christians 500+ years ago relevant to the overwhelming amount of CURRENT DAY violence committed in the name of Islam on a DAILY basis? Please enlighten me. Douchebags like yourself think that life is a history lesson to be played out in a classroom. In the real world, present day, Islam is a threat to civilized society period. I don't give a shit about what happened 5 centuries ago on the other side of the world, and neither should anyone else.
Don't you find it the least bit ironic that you claim that Muslims peaceful and then finish your post by saying: We have very comfortable lives as citizens in this country. Don't know if we're ready for all of that to change.And to all of the "bring it on" Cowboys out there....that's easy to say until people you care about are murdered Sorry this happened already on 911. Why would my comfortable lifestyle change further? Oh right, the peaceful Muslims might do something to jepordize that. Maybe the people that I care about were murdered by all of those peaceful Muslims I presume you were reffering to.
And FYI a conservative estimate of radical Muslims worldwide is 80 million+ people. 80 million. Not 8,000 or 80,000-- 80,000,000. I hope that Muslims do reach the same conclusion that you did and leave this contry or refuse to enter. This country would be much safer. Every other faith has figured out how to live in harmony with secular society except Islam. And because of that and the fact that these so-called moderates who follow Islam are too cowardly to take back their religion, I have no problem with burning any and every Koran the preacher in question can get his hands on.
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This is an opinion peace I came across last night and I think it does a great job taking to task the apologists, scumbags and people claiming that this will lead to more violence.
"The Democrats and liberal media are frothing at the mouth over some lousy burning Qur’ans. But where were the stern faces and heartfelt concern for the troops’ safety from 2002-2009 when the NY Times leaked confidential secrets involving National Security, when Abu Ghraib photos were front page news every day for a year, not to mention the WikiLeaks Document Dump that poses a far greater danger to the troops than a few crispy Qur’ans.
And what about all the Qur’ans that were incinerated as insurgents blew up and continue to blow up mosques in the Middle East?
Was Hillary wearing her Muslim hijab when she offered her “unequivocal condemnation of this disrespectful, disgraceful act?” AG Eric Holder called the pastor “idiotic and dangerous,” something he refrained from saying about the Fort Hood Shooter. Gen David Petraeus repeated the same statement that I heard from the White House, “Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult.” So there’s no way to know if those were his thoughts or an Obama speechwriter’s.
Funny there is never any handwringing when Muslims insult Americans as they do on a regular basis both here an abroad.
Did you even see this video on the 6:00 News when the Islamic Thinkers Society desecrated our flag and trashed our country (where they have chosen to reside) right in the streets of Midtown Manhattan? Free Speech double standards, indeed.
I suggest we call ‘Burn a Qur’an Day’ an eye for an eye."
It's funny. The MSM felt compelled to plaster those Abu Ghraib pictures EVERYWHERE and are directly responsible for getting Nicholas Berg beheaded as well as having the blood of countless others who died in the reprisal attacks on their hands. In a time of war the MSM was posting pictures that they knew would lead to mass violence. But that was OK. The NY Times and other rags had no qualms with posting up the real names of Afghan informants with the Wikileaks incident.
But NOW they feel compelled to take the moral high road and not burn some korans to prevent violence. What a sad joke.
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I'd probably be in jail right now if I saw that in person.
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Burn it.
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It's a bad read anyway. If they were burning poetry or some work of art i would be offended. Who really gives a shit about fundamentalist religious garbage, Waste of paper.
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Isn't that against the law ?
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Its taking the piss asking for a mosque to be built on ground zero
They are having a right laugh at your expense and at your politically correct society
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Jesus fucking christ. These degenrate's choose to live in the country of the flag that they are desecrating. The rate they breed look forward to a muslim world by about 2050.
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wouldnt it be fun to lock these gentlemen up naked in a cage with a few pigs? love to see that
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I will be burning a bible on that day and will post the you tube video on getbig, any of you got a problem with that? :)
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if id burn harry potter books, would it offend someone?
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Here's a theory i have:
- this reverend has a history of stealing congregation money for personal expense to the point of his former church kicking him out
- the "muslims" , whoever that may be, paid him off to stage this burning, and then tipped off the media, to further exploit it as some kind of an "american" symbol of hatred towards islam
- everyone gets paid, yo!
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Nice try jackass but Hinduism is far older than Islam.
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Try paganism, it's been around about 250,000 years and is much more valid than the father figure trinity of homo's, jews/muslims/christians.
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if id burn harry potter books, would it offend someone?
Yes it would - all those Potter fanatics who line up for weeks to buy those when they come out. Fortunately Rowling decided to hang it up.
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wouldnt it be fun to lock these gentlemen up naked in a cage with a few pigs? love to see that
Actually General blackjack Pershing used pigs to deter muslim terrorists in the Philippines. He had the bullets dipped in pigs blood and shot all the captured terrorists except one. He then dumped the dead bodies into a hole with pig entrails and buried them The survivor was let loose to tell his friends. No more terrorist attacks occurred for the next 50 yrs.
There are no rules in warfare..the only rule is to win. Islamic terrorists understand that. They are even willing to eat pork to avoid detection. The problem is the "civilized' world is burdened with code of conduct and other PC crap to respond to a growing menace.
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if id burn harry potter books, would it offend someone?
Isn't old wizzard dude a gaywad? I think JK Rowling said Gandoor was queer didn't she?
Burn the queers holding a Koran while reading magic spells I say ;)
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I think it's funny how unable american's are to see the rest of the world. Islam is mix of race/religion/ politics. Westerner's can seperate their racism, democracy, and Chrisitianity very well. They usually coincide, but on paper are seperate. That's why American's invade or fuck with on average a country a year in the name of democracy. Any autocracy in existance such as demorcatic republic of germany(east germany), has the word mentioned. Even in 300 they fought the evil BROWN people, for democracy. If you can't see this you'll never understand muslims. You'll see Arabs killing persians in the name of islam, and revolutions in the name of islam. In the west you got Arayan's killing slavs, in social darwinism, and Commies killing facist in the name of Democracy. Of course were about 50 years ahead hence the sexual revolution and the civil rights movements of the 60's.
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Actually General blackjack Pershing used pigs to deter muslim terrorists in the Philippines. He had the bullets dipped in pigs blood and shot all the captured terrorists except one. He then dumped the dead bodies into a hole with pig entrails and buried them The survivor was let loose to tell his friends. No more terrorist attacks occurred for the next 50 yrs.
there's a weapons manufacturer, forget their name, who makes guns for the army. anyways, their sights are in the shape of a christian cross and have been since the company opened decades ago. the ACLU or someone asked them to remove the sights and place regular plus shaped ones so as to not offend the Iraqis they're killing them with.
I'm not joking, my google skills aren't good, but this happened.
Of course, the company told them to eat a dick and if the US army doesn't like it, they can get someone else to make the guns for them. The army lol'd and kept them.
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I think it's funny how unable american's are to see the rest of the world. Islam is mix of race/religion/ politics. Westerner's can seperate their racism, democracy, and Chrisitianity very well. They usually coincide, but on paper are seperate. That's why American's invade or fuck with on average a country a year in the name of democracy. Any autocracy in existance such as demorcatic republic of germany(east germany), has the word mentioned. Even in 300 they fought the evil BROWN people, for democracy. If you can't see this you'll never understand muslims. You'll see Arabs killing persians in the name of islam, and revolutions in the name of islam. In the west you got Arayan's killing slavs, in social darwinism, and Commies killing facist in the name of Democracy. Of course were about 50 years ahead hence the sexual revolution and the civil rights movements of the 60's.
go pay the registrars office, mooch.
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there's a weapons manufacturer, forget their name, who makes guns for the army. anyways, their sights are in the shape of a christian cross and have been since the company opened decades ago. the ACLU or someone asked them to remove the sights and place regular plus shaped ones so as to not offend the Iraqis they're killing them with.
I'm not joking, my google skills aren't good, but this happened.
Of course, the company told them to eat a dick and if the US army doesn't like it, they can get someone else to make the guns for them. The army lol'd and kept them.
Well that's one way of preventing US weapons from following into enemy hands. :D Put crosses on all of them.
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I think it's funny how unable american's are to see the rest of the world. Islam is mix of race/religion/ politics. Westerner's can seperate their racism, democracy, and Chrisitianity very well. They usually coincide, but on paper are seperate. That's why American's invade or fuck with on average a country a year in the name of democracy. Any autocracy in existance such as demorcatic republic of germany(east germany), has the word mentioned. Even in 300 they fought the evil BROWN people, for democracy. If you can't see this you'll never understand muslims. You'll see Arabs killing persians in the name of islam, and revolutions in the name of islam. In the west you got Arayan's killing slavs, in social darwinism, and Commies killing facist in the name of Democracy. Of course were about 50 years ahead hence the sexual revolution and the civil rights movements of the 60's.
In all modesty I know a good deal about the history of major world religions. BUT, I have no idea what pt you were trying to make with your post?
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I think it's funny how unable american's are to see the rest of the world. Islam is mix of race/religion/ politics. Westerner's can seperate their racism, democracy, and Chrisitianity very well. They usually coincide, but on paper are seperate. That's why American's invade or fuck with on average a country a year in the name of democracy. Any autocracy in existance such as demorcatic republic of germany(east germany), has the word mentioned. Even in 300 they fought the evil BROWN people, for democracy. If you can't see this you'll never understand muslims. You'll see Arabs killing persians in the name of islam, and revolutions in the name of islam. In the west you got Arayan's killing slavs, in social darwinism, and Commies killing facist in the name of Democracy. Of course were about 50 years ahead hence the sexual revolution and the civil rights movements of the 60's.
September 9, 2010...8:46.13 a.m. - stupidity on the internet reaches its peak.
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simply put....
we r better than them....BUT.....
FREEDOM OF SPEECH.....BURN IT!!!!!!
i disagree but BURN IT.......
i love this country 8)
and o.....at this point...blak people loose all " you may tlk shit about anyone BUT us" points ;)
After they took out the twin towers you guys butchered 100,000 of their civilians. So I wouldn't be surprised if this massive gesture of cuntish literary intolerance has it's own resultant death toll of American soldiers.
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You mean THEY butchered 100,000 of THEIR own civilians. And what civilians are those BTW? I was under the assumption that the 911 hijackers didn't represent all Muslims or any one particular country-- so when you say their civilians, what exactly are you talking about?
Where do you morons come up with this garbage? Do you honestly just pluck little bits of bullshit you hear from your friends and then compile them into facts within your flea sized skulls?
Please enlighten me as to where this butchering took place.
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Here is the deal.
In a Muslim therocratic based nation like Saudi Arabia, they stone women for showing their face in public. :o
Here in the good ol' USA you can LEGALLY burn a Bible , Koran ...or DVD of Goodrum posing, etc
I say this Koarn burning is a NON issue and could care less , one way or the other.
Of course in 1930's Germany , they burned Einstein's books and then wondered why we ended up with an atomic boomb first. LOL, Hitler , what a dumb ass for doing that hehehe
But guess what. They are used to not showing their faces or getting stoned if they do. Guess what? You are used to what ever is fucked up in your culture. Surprise surprise. Nothing ever gets fixed.
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Why the fuck are they living here if they hate it so much? How do they get away with this in NY of all places?
If I saw this I probably would have pulled one on those little towel head fucks outta their cabs and ran these fucktards over and then shoved pieces of the flag they ripped up into the mouths of their lifeless bodies. Piles of fucking shit right there
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what happened to my previous post with the Quran and a pile of shit and bacon on it ???
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Islam is a 'religion of peace' right?
If we burned a bible, nothing happens.
If we burned a torah, nothing happens.
If we burned a sutra, nothing happens.
But if we burn a quran, we have death threats and a bounty on head of the perpetrator.
Religion of peace. ::)
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Why the fuck are they living here if they hate it so much? How do they get away with this in NY of all places?
If I saw this I probably would have pulled one on those little towel head fucks outta their cabs and ran these fucktards over and then shoved pieces of the flag they ripped up into the mouths of their lifeless bodies. Piles of fucking shit right there
x2 beats me. dumb fucks. scum of this earth.
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Fla. minister cancels burning of Qurans on 9/11
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning
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Islam is a 'religion of peace' right?
If we burned a bible, nothing happens.
If we burned a torah, nothing happens.
If we burned a sutra, nothing happens.
But if we burn a quran, we have death threats and a bounty on head of the perpetrator.
Religion of peace. ::)
Exactly. Yet daily you see posts on it just being "another religion..." ::)
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Exactly. Yet daily you see posts on it just being "another religion..." ::)
Not to mention the smell. :D
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Islam is a 'religion of peace' right?
If we burned a bible, nothing happens.
If we burned a torah, nothing happens.
If we burned a sutra, nothing happens.
But if we burn a quran, we have death threats and a bounty on head of the perpetrator.
Religion of peace. ::)
Well burning a torah, won't do shit as long as you buy it from a jew. Most rednecks can't read their bible so they'll beat your ass for being a queer. A sutra ..... your just making shit up now.
For real though we just gotta desensitize muslims, let them know we have no respect for their religion. Give it six weeks tops. Just keep em burning.
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It's to late to stop it. Every year 9.11 gonna be Koran burning day now.
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You mean THEY butchered 100,000 of THEIR own civilians. And what civilians are those BTW? I was under the assumption that the 911 hijackers didn't represent all Muslims or any one particular country-- so when you say their civilians, what exactly are you talking about?
Where do you morons come up with this garbage? Do you honestly just pluck little bits of bullshit you hear from your friends and then compile them into facts within your flea sized skulls?
Please enlighten me as to where this butchering took place.
You believe you are so smart you are the only one with the correct solution, so it is impossible to have a conversation with you. The only way would be to agree with everything you say. You really need to work on that, it's like only using half your brain.
Also like another poster said, the little Christian pussy backed out, cowering in defeat, and shame, the Muslim world celebrates this victory of many thousands more to come.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/09/florida.quran.burning/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/quran_burning (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/quran_burning)
The Rev. Terry Jones had been under intense pressure to abandon his plan to burn the Quran on Saturday, the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. President Barack Obama urged him to listen to "those better angels" and give up his "stunt," saying it would endanger U.S. troops and give Islamic terrorists a recruiting tool. Defense Secretary Robert Gates took the extraordinary step of calling Jones personally.
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Fla. minister cancels burning of Qurans on 9/11
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning
It seems that this Minister was the main force to convince them to move the Mosque/Community Center that was 2 blocks form ground zero!
He was like a ballsy poker player. I will see your ground zero mosque and raise you a mass burning of Korans , bia-ch.
I have to admit it , but, as former marine , I was cheering for him at this pt.
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i wonder if there is a MMA badass out there that can take this burning challenge to the OCTOOOOGAN cage
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Pakistani Muslims Burn A Christian Man to Death, Policeman Rapes His Wife
http://www.persecution.org/2010/03/23/pakistani-muslims-burn-a-christian-man-to-death-policeman-rapes-his-wife/
Muslims burn Christian man as policeman rapes his wife
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/pakistan-muslims-burn-christian-man-policeman-rapes-his-wife
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:15, 16 (KJV)
240... I will gladly pay your $300 fee.
Do you stand for the Christian Bible or the Koran?
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I think you should purchase annoyingasshole.com, and have 240 develop a site that is nothing but a big picture of you. He should also give you a discount
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240 is a liberal apologist who campaigned for obama and shills daily for his agenda... ;D ;D ;D
seriously 240, do this and never live it down broham ;)
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Master Bates ..Do you love the cock ?
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but these extreme rights wants us to believe the mosque will be built on the spot of the wtc and thats not correct. its a few blocks away and out of sight somewhere in a street.
not that i would care if the built will be stopped by this.
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Burn it if they want.
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/09/new.york.trump.community.center/index.html?hpt=Sbin
So it's not about the money. ???
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i've always wondered this, if you hate this country so damn much (burning the flag, etc) then get the hell out of here!
still waiting for the day when the reporter and/or the cameraman while filming this crap ask the question " if you hate this country, it's flag and what it stands for, then why are you here? why don't you go back to your own great country?"
in regard to the whole situation going on now, so are the american public who watch tv, whether network or cable, whether right or left leaning politically when we see people in muslim countries burning our flag and protesting and shouting crap about our country,.... are we actually now supposed to assume that these people in the streets we see doing this shit, are actually 0.001 percent of how muslims feel about the u.s.? that the other 99 percent of muslims that live in those countries DO NOT FEEL THIS WAY AND HATE US?
that it's irresponsible journalism that shows these people who are actually radicals and nutjobs doing this crap?
the american public sees this stuff almost daily on television, so the vast majority assume that ALL muslims in these countries ( pakistan, afghanistan, iran, iraq, etc) feel this way about our country.
consequently, we all think their NUTS and EVIL, and thus we think " so they can do anything to our government to our religions but we can't do anything to them? that is truly hypocritical, insanity, and so on."
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in regard to the whole situation going on now, so are the american public who watch tv, whether network or cable, whether right or left leaning politically when we see people in muslim countries burning our flag and protesting and shouting crap about our country,.... are we actually now supposed to assume that these people in the streets we see doing this shit, are actually 0.001 percent of how muslims feel about the u.s.? that the other 99 percent of muslims that live in those countries DO NOT FEEL THIS WAY AND HATE US?
that it's irresponsible journalism that shows these people who are actually radicals and nutjobs doing this crap?
the american public sees this stuff almost daily on television, so the vast majority assume that ALL muslims in these countries ( pakistan, afghanistan, iran, iraq, etc) feel this way about our country.
consequently, we all think their NUTS and EVIL, and thus we think " so they can do anything to our government to our religions but we can't do anything to them? that is truly hypocritical, insanity, and so on."
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/09/new.york.trump.community.center/index.html?hpt=Sbin
So it's not about the money. ???
Trump is just pathetic.
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lollolololo
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sorry - I love debating politics but I avoid anything political-based websites 100% as a rule
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It's about time a christian shows his defete agaist lossing all those christians who converted to Islam!
Like it or not Islam gets more ppl to convert to but u never see Muslims converting to Christianity or other religions! These are facts; sooooo u can burn all papers u want
haters :D
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It's about time a christian shows his defete agaist lossing all those christians who converted to Islam!
Like it or not Islam gets more ppl to convert to but u never see Muslims converting to Christianity or other religions! These are facts; sooooo u can burn all papers u want
haters :D
Believing in a religion = FAIL
Converting to another religion = Fail2
Thanks for playing.
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Theres no god but god and muhammed is his messenger.
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We will chase the americans to every corner at all times. No high tower of steel will protect them against the fire of truth.
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We will chase the americans to every corner at all times. No high tower of steel will protect them against the fire of truth.
In what? Your dirty night shirts and sandals? Try evolving a bit. This is 2010.
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i honestly believe that once the oil runs out, there will be a very bad turn in relations between the middle east and the western world. i also think that patience will run out soon regardless if this stuff keeps up.
the fact is the western world only need to push a button and the middle east is gone - this fact alone makes me wonder how things have gotten this bad, does al queda want to have their people wiped out ?
its like a child poking a bear with a stick - the bears patience will only last so long.
also the entire world better hope the terrorist factions within islam do not get their hands on a dirty bomb (nuclear or chemical) - as this would only do 2 things, 1- piss the bear off and 2 - destroy any resistance to nuclear retaliation by fair minded people.
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Simply put - respect begets respect. No one should burn a Quran, as no one should burn the Christian bible, as no one should burn the Jewish Torah. All it does is create bad situations and is pretty damn racist.
Obviously, 90% of the Muslims in this world want peace, and want to live with respect. It is the 10% of the Muslims that control via terror, radicalism and fear that have created this problem.
Burning any form of a book that harbors deep feelings for any religion is just stupid. What point are you trying to prove? That all Muslims are bad? Get over it - they are not.
As for the mosque being built very close to Ground Zero in New York - another stupid idea that should never be built, for again, it is clearly meant to incite. And since some of the backers promote terror, it should be done and put away.
Like it or not, radical Muslims blew up the Twin Towers. Radical Muslims cheered the event.
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I just burnt my underwear after coming out of the bathroom :-X :-X :-X
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Simply put - respect begets respect. No one should burn a Quran, as no one should burn the Christian bible, as no one should burn the Jewish Torah. All it does is create bad situations and is pretty damn racist.
Obviously, 90% of the Muslims in this world want peace, and want to live with respect. It is the 10% of the Muslims that control via terror, radicalism and fear that have created this problem.
Burning any form of a book that harbors deep feelings for any religion is just stupid. What point are you trying to prove? That all Muslims are bad? Get over it - they are not.
As for the mosque being built very close to Ground Zero in New York - another stupid idea that should never be built, for again, it is clearly meant to incite. And since some of the backers promote terror, it should be done and put away.
Like it or not, radical Muslims blew up the Twin Towers. Radical Muslims cheered the event.
I agree that no religious text should be burned. It does not accomplish or prove anything other than peoples level of ignorance and hate.
I disagree about the ground zero cultural center/mosque. Saying that it should not be built near ground zero is in effect holding the religion of Islam accountable for the atrocities committed by a small group of fanatical nutjobs. Their very actions place them outside the fold of Islam. They can call themselves Muslims but they are not. Islam should not be condemned based upon the actions of those who act outside of the religion.
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i honestly believe that once the oil runs out, there will be a very bad turn in relations between the middle east and the western world. i also think that patience will run out soon regardless if this stuff keeps up.
the fact is the western world only need to push a button and the middle east is gone - this fact alone makes me wonder how things have gotten this bad, does al queda want to have their people wiped out ?
its like a child poking a bear with a stick - the bears patience will only last so long.
also the entire world better hope the terrorist factions within islam do not get their hands on a dirty bomb (nuclear or chemical) - as this would only do 2 things, 1- piss the bear off and 2 - destroy any resistance to nuclear retaliation by fair minded people.
Well said but Muslims need to clean their own house. The, as you say, 10% of the bad ones are creating a hatred for the whole group. The silence of the majority is deafening which leads many to believe they don't have much of a problem with what the 10% is doing.
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Well said but Muslims need to clean their own house. The, as you say, 10% of the bad ones are creating a hatred for the whole group. The silence of the majority is deafening which leads many to believe they don't have much of a problem with what the 10% is doing.
BINGO !!
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Why can you burn any other book and there is no outrage. Simple....these people will blow up innocent lives over such a thing. Can you imagine if other groups acted the same towards Muslims over every blasphemous act they undertook. How about that group of Christians recently slaughtered in Aphganistan while they were there giving healthcare to the poor. Where was all the publicity over that?
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Why can you burn any other book and there is no outrage. Simple....these people will blow up innocent lives over such a thing. Can you imagine if other groups acted the same towards Muslims over every blasphemous act they undertook. How about that group of Christians recently slaughtered in Aphganistan while they were there giving healthcare to the poor. Where was all the publicity over that?
4 Christian aid workers were beheaded in Somalia yesterday and the Muslims won't turn over their bodies because they said infidels don't get graves.
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4 Christian aid workers were beheaded in Somalia yesterday and the Muslims won't turn over their bodies because they said infidels don't get graves.
Such a wonderful religion.
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Why can you burn any other book and there is no outrage. Simple....these people will blow up innocent lives over such a thing. Can you imagine if other groups acted the same towards Muslims over every blasphemous act they undertook. How about that group of Christians recently slaughtered in Aphganistan while they were there giving healthcare to the poor. Where was all the publicity over that?
That nonsense goes both ways...
U.S. Soldiers Charged With Killing Afghans At Random, Collecting Fingers As Trophies
» By Danielle Canada September 10, 2010, 9:40am
Twelve U.S. soldiers are facing charges after military officials say they killed civilians in Afghanistan for fun and collected their fingers as trophies.
The men were said to be part of a secret Afghan “kill team” that blew up and shot civilians at random and then collaborated on cover-up schemes to justify the deaths.
Military officials say five of the soldiers murdered three Afghan men for sport in separate attacks this year while seven others covered up the killings and assaulted a recruit who “snitched” and exposed the attacks.
Officials say Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs was moved to Afghanistan after serving time in Iraq and boasted about things he got away with including the murder of civilians.
Gibbs was the reported head of the “kill team” and assisted in the murder of an Afghan man that was hit with a grenade before being shot with a rifle.
Officials say at least one of the men collected fingers from the dead as trophies while several of them posed for pictures with the dead bodies.
A number of the soldiers are also charged with stealing and smoking the drug “hashish” from civilians.
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That nonsense goes both ways...
U.S. Soldiers Charged With Killing Afghans At Random, Collecting Fingers As Trophies
» By Danielle Canada September 10, 2010, 9:40am
Twelve U.S. soldiers are facing charges after military officials say they killed civilians in Afghanistan for fun and collected their fingers as trophies.
The men were said to be part of a secret Afghan “kill team” that blew up and shot civilians at random and then collaborated on cover-up schemes to justify the deaths.
Military officials say five of the soldiers murdered three Afghan men for sport in separate attacks this year while seven others covered up the killings and assaulted a recruit who “snitched” and exposed the attacks.
Officials say Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs was moved to Afghanistan after serving time in Iraq and boasted about things he got away with including the murder of civilians.
Gibbs was the reported head of the “kill team” and assisted in the murder of an Afghan man that was hit with a grenade before being shot with a rifle.
Officials say at least one of the men collected fingers from the dead as trophies while several of them posed for pictures with the dead bodies.
A number of the soldiers are also charged with stealing and smoking the drug “hashish” from civilians.
Uh, how does what they did have anything to do with a religion?
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And where is your source for this story?
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Uh, how does what they did have anything to do with a religion?
Have you seen this guy's previous posts? He's a moron.
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http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/08/us-soldiers-killed-afghan-civilians-for-sport-and-collected-fingers-as-trophies/
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Well said but Muslims need to clean their own house. The, as you say, 10% of the bad ones are creating a hatred for the whole group. The silence of the majority is deafening which leads many to believe they don't have much of a problem with what the 10% is doing.
I disagree , first of all I doubt 10% of Muslims are radical/extremist
Are you saying that every Muslim in the world who doesn't engage in terrorism is nevertheless a latent supporter of terrorism because he doesn't make loud proclamations against it ? ::)
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I disagree , first of all I doubt 10% of Muslims are radical/extremist troops
Are you saying that every Muslim in the world who doesn't engage in terrorism is nevertheless a latent supporter of terrorism because he doesn't make loud proclamations against it ? ::)
Uh no, Ron used 10%. Whatever the number, the rest of the group needs to clean it up because they are using the religion to conduct their terrorism. Noone sees it happening, hence the skepticism with the religion as a whole. Not all Muslims are terrorists but an overwhelming amout of terrorism is being conducted in the name of Islam. If you don't agree to that reality then you are just an apologist for the behavior.
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Uh, how does what they did have anything to do with a religion?
It doesn't.
Neither do Muslims who commit atrocities and yell out allahu akbar. That's not Islam.
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It doesn't.
Neither do Muslims who commit atrocities and yell out allahu akbar. That's not Islam.
Then why doesn't the 90% or billions of other Muslims reign in this group as they are doing it in the name of their so-called peaceful religion?
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It doesn't.
Neither do Muslims who commit atrocities and yell out allahu akbar. That's not Islam.
Nice try. ::)
Everything they do is because of Islam. They are just following what the Koran dictates. Maybe you should try reading it sometime.
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lol. I have read the Quran many times.
Just because someone says they are acting in the name of Islam or Christianity that doesn't make it so.
Anyone can pull apart scripture, take it out of context, and use it to back whatever their personal agenda happens to be.
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lol. I have read the Quran many times.
Just because someone says they are acting in the name of Islam or Christianity that doesn't make it so.
Anyone can pull apart scripture, take it out of context, and use it to back whatever their personal agenda happens to be.
I seriously doubt you've read one sentence of the Koran. Keep trying to pull the wool over people's eyes, though.
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Then why doesn't the 90% or billions of other Muslims reign in this group as they are doing it in the name of their so-called peaceful religion?
Because you can reign a hidden minority no more than usa can stop mexican drug lords.
It's more like 1 percent islamic extremeist. There are about 1.66 billion muslims. There's only 250mil in the middle east. and only a small fraction of them support jihad. Iran and saudi arabia use religion to keep power and not vice versa (power to fuel their religion). Everywhere else islam is used by gangsters and thieves to give what their doing some noble meaning. When in reality there just like the mexican drug lords, WASP's italian, mobsters, russian oligarch, or limosine liberals.
You guy think that most muslims are pro tali ban when it's probally less than 2 or 3 million(1-2 percent). and another ten mil that support them only so they can eat and be safe.
You gotta understand Islam is a blanket term used by everyone to simplify a world of over 1.66 billion people. It's the most misused word of the century.
You guys confuse, racist's, theists, Tali ban, Autocrats, Kings, Gangsters, Thieves, and far right wack jobs. There not one, it's like saying every bad in the west happen's due to Christian.
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that preaching of violence in the quran probably was relevant in a backwarded desert site where tribes fought eachother. same with the stupid thing of not eating flesh of a pig. which was probably relevant that time because of the fastening expiring date. these morons place everything in the context of modern times.
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that preaching of violence in the quran probably was relevant in a backwarded desert site where tribes fought eachother. same with the stupid thing of not eating flesh of a pig. which was probably relevant that time because of the fastening expiring date. these morons place everything in the context of modern times.
It's because Moohammed accounted for this by throwing in little clauses like saying that everything in the Koran is infallible, irrefutable and anyone who disagrees or fails to uphold any of the values preached by it is to be executed.
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Then you wonder why a lot of people (good peope though) can assert muhammed was a great and peacefull man.
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Then you wonder why a lot of people (good peope though) can assert muhammed was a great and peacefull man.
Moohammed participated in 28 battles and destroyed thousands with his own hands. He rewarded a man who stabbed a pregnant women in the stomach because she spoke ill of him. He was a pedophile, a mass murderer and a scumbag. The list of atrocities carried out by him is endless.
He was anything but peaceful. ::)
There is nothing in Islam's history to indicate that's it's peaceful in any way whatsoever. In-fact, one can easily make the argument that the violent "radicals" are following the true Islam and that it's the "moderates" who should be considered the extremists.
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Ron, the Torah is the Old Testament .... right?
Is there any difference between the Old Testament in the Bible and the Torah.... or is it the same? Are there additions or deletions in either one?
Thanks for your expertise, Ron.
Stunt .... See ya at the "O"
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Its weird because when i saw the beautifull documentary narrotated by Ben Kingsley "Empire of faith" it gave a totally different view of muhammed and islam in general, highly romanticized. offcourse with battles and stuff but not the things you mentioned.
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that preaching of violence in the quran probably was relevant in a backwarded desert site where tribes fought eachother. same with the stupid thing of not eating flesh of a pig. which was probably relevant that time because of the fastening expiring date. these morons place everything in the context of modern times.
Mohammed was Jesus Christ/Julius Ceaser/ George washington all in one.
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Mohammed was Jesus Christ/Julius Ceaser/ George washington all in one.
and hitler?
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It's because Moohammed accounted for this by throwing in little clauses like saying that everything in the Koran is infallible, irrefutable and anyone who disagrees or fails to uphold any of the values preached by it is to be executed.
Bingo! And all the uneducated nightshirt wearing rank and file are believers. All others are Infidels.
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Eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind - Mahatma Gandhi
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and hitler?
Yes hitler too, ass brown people have lizard blood, which makes them ok with the slaughter of child. ::)
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maybe the child was not brave?
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According to William Montgomery Watt and Richard Bell, recent writers have generally dismissed the idea that Muhammad deliberately deceived his followers, arguing that Muhammad "was absolutely sincere and acted in complete good faith"[189] and that Muhammad’s readiness to endure hardship for his cause when there seemed to be no rational basis for hope shows his sincerity.[190] Watt says that sincerity does not directly imply correctness: In contemporary terms, Muhammad might have mistaken his own subconscious for divine revelation.[191] Watt and Lewis argue that viewing Muhammad as a self-seeking impostor makes it impossible to understand the development of Islam.[192][193] Welch holds that Muhammad was able to be so influential and successful because of his firm belief in his vocation.[14]
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I'm going to burn a bible and Quran tomorrow ,I hope Ron doesn't put me in time out.
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The Myth:
Muhammad was a peaceful man who taught his followers to be the same. Muslims lived peacefully for centuries, fighting only in self-defense - and when it was necessary. True Muslims would never act aggressively.
The Truth:
Muhammad organized 65 military campaigns in the last ten years of his life and personally led 27 of them. The more power that he attained, the smaller the excuse needed to go to battle, until finally he began attacking tribes merely because they were not part of his growing empire.
After Muhammad’s death, his successor immediately went to war with former allied tribes which wanted to go their own way. Abu Bakr called them 'apostates' and slaughtered anyone who did not want to remain Muslim. Eventually, he was successful in holding the empire together with blood and violence.
The prophet of Islam's most faithful followers and even his own family turned on each other as well. There were four caliphs (leaders) in the first twenty-five years, each of which was a trusted companion of his. Three of these four were murdered. The third caliph was murdered by those allied with the son of the first. The fourth Caliph was murdered in the midst of a conflict with the fifth, who began a 100-year dynasty of excess and debauchery that was ended in a gruesome, widespread bloodbath by descendents of Muhammad’s uncle.
Muhammad’s own daughter, Fatima, and his son-in-law, Ali, who both survived the pagan hardship during the Meccan years safe and sound, did not survive Islam after the death of Muhammad. Fatima died of stress from persecution within three months, and Ali was later assassinated by Muslim rivals. Their son (Muhammad’s grandson) was killed in battle with the faction that became today’s Sunnis. His people became Shias. The relatives and personal friends of Muhammad were mixed into both warring groups, which then fractured further into hostile sub-divisions as Islam expanded.
Muslim apologists, who like to say that is impossible for today's terrorists to be Muslim when they kill fellow Muslims, would have a very tough time explaining the war between Fatima's followers and Aisha to a knowledgeable audience. Muhammad's favorite daughter and his favorite wife were both explicitly held up by him as model Muslim women, yet they were both invoked by other companions as they engaged in violent civil war following his death. Which one was the prophet of God so horribly wrong about?
Muhammad left his men with instructions to take the battle against Christians, Persians, Jews and polytheists (which came to include millions of unfortunate Hindus). For the next four centuries, Muslim armies steamrolled over unsuspecting neighbors, plundering them of loot and slaves, and forcing the survivors to either convert or pay tribute at the point of a sword.
Companions of Muhammad lived to see Islam declare war on every major religion in the world in just the first few decades following his death - pressing the Jihad against Hindus, Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, and Buddhists.
By the time of the Crusades (when the Europeans began fighting back), Muslims had conquered two-thirds of the Christian world by sword, from Syria to Spain, and across North Africa.
Millions of Christians were enslaved by Muslims, and tens of millions of Africans. The Arab slave-trading routes would stay open for 1300 years, until pressure from Christian-based countries forced Islamic nations to declare the practice illegal (in theory). To this day, the Muslim world has never apologized for the victims of Jihad and slavery.
There is not another religion in the world that consistently produces terrorism in the name of religion as does Islam. The most dangerous Muslims are nearly always those who interpret the Qur’an most transparently. They are the fundamentalists or purists of the faith, and believe in Muhammad’s mandate to spread Islamic rule by the sword, putting to death those who will not submit.
The holy texts of Islam are saturated with verses of violence and hatred toward those outside the faith. In sharp contrast to the Bible, which generally moves from relatively violent episodes to far more peaceful mandates, the Qur’an travels the exact opposite path (violence is first forbidden, then permitted, then mandatory). The handful of earlier verses that speak of tolerance are overwhelmed by an avalanche of later ones that carry a much different message. While Old Testament verses of blood and guts are generally bound by historical context within the text itself, Qur'anic imperatives to violence usually appear open-ended and subject to personal interpretation.
From the history of the faith to its most sacred writings, those who want to believe in "peaceful Islam" have a lot more of Islam to ignore than do the terrorists. By any objective measure, the "Religion of Peace" has been the harshest, bloodiest religion the world has ever known.
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Simply put - respect begets respect. No one should burn a Quran, as no one should burn the Christian bible, as no one should burn the Jewish Torah. All it does is create bad situations and is pretty damn racist.
Obviously, 90% of the Muslims in this world want peace, and want to live with respect. It is the 10% of the Muslims that control via terror, radicalism and fear that have created this problem.
Burning any form of a book that harbors deep feelings for any religion is just stupid. What point are you trying to prove? That all Muslims are bad? Get over it - they are not.
As for the mosque being built very close to Ground Zero in New York - another stupid idea that should never be built, for again, it is clearly meant to incite. And since some of the backers promote terror, it should be done and put away.
Like it or not, radical Muslims blew up the Twin Towers. Radical Muslims cheered the event.
Here here. If people can't separate the radical Muslim extremists from the regular civilian Muslims then that's their problem. Especially when the inevitable backlash from this book burning comes in the form of American soldiers' lives, which surely even this book-burning guy doesn't want to see?
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Here here. If people can't separate the radical Muslim extremists from the regular civilian Muslims then that's their problem. Especially when the inevitable backlash from this book burning comes in the form of American soldiers' lives, which surely even this book-burning guy doesn't want to see?
You have to laugh at the idea that the burning of a book will make a group of people intent on murdering infidels any more murderous.
"Mohammad, I was only going to murder 5 ISAF Soldiers today, because, well you know, 5 is normally my limit, but did you see those Americans and their book burning, now I will murder 10"
"Yes, Ahmed, I agree me too, but 11 for me"
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Well yes but how many Muslims died for not complying with Christianity during the crusades?
2,000 dead in 9/11 triggered 112,000 dead in Iraq. Reactions are often disproportionately harsh where the stupidity that is religion is involved.
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Anyone who engages in book burning or flag burning in some lame retaliation act is clearly a retard. It accomplishes nothing apart from getting a few minutes of fame until the media moves on to the next story of "interest" :). I think the pastor knows his little stunt is not going to happen so he's going to try to save face before scurrying back to whatever hole he crawled out of.
In fact a very large number of Christians of all stripes have denounced this pastors "show and tell" performance.
Had things been reversed how many muslims would have spoken out if a Imam was threatening to burn a bible? Their silence would have been deafening.
How many peaceful Muslims denounce their radical Islamic clergymen when they try to incite fatwas and try to recruit impressionable young men into radicalism?
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Well yes but how many Muslims died for not complying with Christianity during the crusades?
2,000 dead in 9/11 triggered 112,000 dead in Iraq. Reactions are often disproportionately harsh where the stupidity that is religion is involved.
This is why people like you should be ignored. You do know that the Crusades only came about after 100+ years of Muslims conquering, raping, pillaging and committing mass murder of Christians across the Middle East, North Africa and southern Europe, right? Of course not. ::)
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2,000 dead in 9/11 triggered 112,000 dead in Iraq.
Doesn't seem like enough to suit me....and I don't lose one minute of sleep over it.
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. The more power that he attained, the smaller the excuse needed to go to battle, until finally he began attacking tribes merely because they were not part of his growing empire.
Wow, sounds like the American Army
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" I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture"
- John Howard (Australian Prime Minister)
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According to William Montgomery Watt and Richard Bell, recent writers have generally dismissed the idea that Muhammad deliberately deceived his followers, arguing that Muhammad "was absolutely sincere and acted in complete good faith"[189] and that Muhammad’s readiness to endure hardship for his cause when there seemed to be no rational basis for hope shows his sincerity.[190] Watt says that sincerity does not directly imply correctness: In contemporary terms, Muhammad might have mistaken his own subconscious for divine revelation.[191] Watt and Lewis argue that viewing Muhammad as a self-seeking impostor makes it impossible to understand the development of Islam.[192][193] Welch holds that Muhammad was able to be so influential and successful because of his firm belief in his vocation.[14]
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Old news but no messing about. Good for the Aussies to start taking a stand.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia ." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."
Moderate muslims should follow this guys example
Muslims urged to reject extremism
Having escaped the terror of Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Ali Al-Wahabi does not want radical Muslims to now force him out of Australia.
He called on other moderate Muslims on Sunday to end their silence and speak out against growing Islamic extremism in Australia and abroad.
"My message is to the moderate Muslim to get out of their cocoon and voice their opinion and defend their religion, not against the enemy of Islam, but against the extremists of Islam," Mr Al-Wahabi said.
"Those people do not represent Muslims, they definitely do not represent me or my children.
"I really fought hard to gain freedom and this is freedom which I gained here in Australia.
"Only through tolerance and understanding do we create acceptance and through acceptance we will have peace and harmony and co-existence."
Mr Al-Wahabi said he was becoming increasingly concerned over the escalating extremism of some Muslims in Australia.
"I am concerned, that is why we need to subdue the notion of conflict and violence before it is born," he said.
"I want my kids and my children's children to have a peaceful life."
The pilot, who recently published his autobiography Farewell Brave Babylon, said unlike Iraqis, he at least felt safe when praying in his Sydney mosque each day.
"I want to convey a message to those extremists; if they don't like it here, they should be reminded of where they come from and they always have the choice to go back," he said.
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instead of trying to impress getbiggers...focus on the youth of Pakistan.
why? they have a shoddy cricket team....so much for the youth..cricket ws my only connection to pakistan and now even thats gone
and please..please...dont EVER think you r important enough to me for me to try n impress you...
for that i'd merely post a picture pic of my turd ;)
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Burn all muslims!!!!
now i really cant blame 3rd world taliban for being barely functional retards...since we have them in this country...and this is supposed to be the enlightened educated 1st world :(
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im not defending the muslims but if youd take time out of your day to burn a koran your really a dumbass lol
my parents and family r muslims
my mum or sis has never worn a hijab or covered their faces
muslims in my family might go pray at a mosque on friday but as as liable to go drinking friday nite
i have supported christian charities in the past (i dont trust muslim charities)
...point..there r normal muslims out there...
my point...i still support "freedom of speech"
if burning the American flag is ok in America...so is burning the koran....
i'm pretty sure the AL-mighty gods ego can handle it ;)
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Simply put - respect begets respect. No one should burn a Quran, as no one should burn the Christian bible, as no one should burn the Jewish Torah. All it does is create bad situations and is pretty damn racist.
Obviously, 90% of the Muslims in this world want peace, and want to live with respect. It is the 10% of the Muslims that control via terror, radicalism and fear that have created this problem.
Burning any form of a book that harbors deep feelings for any religion is just stupid. What point are you trying to prove? That all Muslims are bad? Get over it - they are not.
As for the mosque being built very close to Ground Zero in New York - another stupid idea that should never be built, for again, it is clearly meant to incite. And since some of the backers promote terror, it should be done and put away.
Like it or not, radical Muslims blew up the Twin Towers. Radical Muslims cheered the event.
yeah but its soo much easier to think of it as an "us against them" and justify all muslims as radicals...
i mean it happens on your board..people on the politics regularly take select out of context passages from the koran and post them as "the facto" word and the only word in the koran...ie violence.
sadly...when you accept the "us against them" philosophy which many here have (bezerkfury comes to mind) you r nothing better than a talibanesque mind living in the first world and the only thing keeping you from terrorist like radical activity is our laws... transplant a mind like berzrkfury to afghanistan and you'd get a taliban jihadi..its only luck that he happened to be born in America
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/11/new.york.jones/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
Dude pussied out. Hahaha
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/11/new.york.jones/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
Dude pussied out. Hahaha
haha yeah what a pussy, seriously at least be a man and keep your word. hes scared shitless. now suddenly it was never his plan to burn those books in the first place but to give off a message ::)
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my parents and family r muslims
my mum or sis has never worn a hijab or covered their faces
muslims in my family might go pray at a mosque on friday but as as liable to go drinking friday nite
i have supported christian charities in the past (i dont trust muslim charities)
...point..there r normal muslims out there...
my point...i still support "freedom of speech"
if burning the American flag is ok in America...so is burning the koran....
i'm pretty sure the AL-mighty gods ego can handle it ;)
Toxic, what's your view on first cousin marriages? Not a flame or anything; just that I watched a documentary about first cousin marriages and their effect on the health of Britain's muslim population and I'm interested to know if it is the done thing among Pakistanis in the US?
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haha yeah what a pussy, seriously at least be a man and keep your word. hes scared shitless. now suddenly it was never his plan to burn those books in the first place but to give off a message ::)
lol
First he was like " im burning these books to show that we not afraid."
Then he was like "Im not burning books, I scared for my life."
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haha yeah what a pussy, seriously at least be a man and keep your word. hes scared shitless. now suddenly it was never his plan to burn those books in the first place but to give off a message ::)
he made a civilized decision...he knew very well that his decision would be taken as pussying out..
more muslims should make such decisions no?
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he made a civilized decision...he knew very well that his decision would be taken as pussying out..
more muslims should make such decisions no?
that guy is nowhere to be called a civilized person. he pussied out.
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Toxic, what's your view on first cousin marriages? Not a flame or anything; just that I watched a documentary about first cousin marriages and their effect on the health of Britain's muslim population and I'm interested to know if it is the done thing among Pakistanis in the US?
my parents r not related in anyway..i have to preface my answer with that
2 of my couzins are about to get married soon...first couzins(doods a doctor in America and girl is pakistani ...very wealthy family)....so yeah it happens all the time...i can only explain why it happens in my extended family and the simple answer is money!
keep the money in the family so it can be invested and not spread out...plus i'm of sindhi origin and shindhis have this thing about not mixing blood with anyone else (my parents r both unrelated but sindhi)...they r proud of their blood lines...but the main thing is always money.....there is a distrust of other families when very large sums of $ are involved so if the money stays in the common family...or if 2 closely related families pool their money for investments...you can make even more $
...all the while first couzins marrying makes looks and IQ go down the gutter :-\
i strongly disagree with it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindhi_language
Sindhi (Sindhi: سنڌي , Urdu: سندھی , Devanagari script: सिन्धी, Sindhī) is the language of the Sindh region of Pakistan. It is spoken by an estimated 34,410,910 people in Pakistan. It is the third most spoken language in all of Pakistan and is the official language of the province of Sindh. It is also spoken in India by some 2,820,485 speakers.[1] The government of Pakistan issues national identity cards to its citizens only in two languages, Sindhi and Urdu.
It is an Indo-Caucasian ::) language of the Indo-Iranian branch of the Indo-European language family. Its has influences from a local version of spoken form of Sanskrit and from Balochi spoken in the adjacent province of Balochistan
lol its an indo-Ar YAN language...getbig changed it to caucasian...so now ya cant say ar yan??? ::)
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that guy is nowhere to be called a civilized person. he pussied out.
and prolly more good than bad came from it....
soo good on him
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Not sure if this has been posted but....
Apparently - the Koran itself mentions burning the Koran.....
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and prolly more good than bad came from it....
soo good on him
true. But dude still pussied out.
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my parents r not related in anyway..i have to preface my answer with that
2 of my couzins are about to get married soon...first couzins(doods a doctor in America and girl is pakistani ...very wealthy family)....so yeah it happens all the time...i can only explain why it happens in my extended family and the simple answer is money!
keep the money in the family so it can be invested and not spread out...plus i'm of sindhi origin and shindhis have this thing about not mixing blood with anyone else (my parents r both unrelated but sindhi)...they r proud of their blood lines...but the main thing is always money.....there is a distrust of other families when very large sums of $ are involved so if the money stays in the common family...or if 2 closely related families pool their money for investments...you can make even more $
...all the while first couzins marrying makes looks and IQ go down the gutter :-\
i strongly disagree with it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindhi_language
Sindhi (Sindhi: سنڌي , Urdu: سندھی , Devanagari script: सिन्धी, Sindhī) is the language of the Sindh region of Pakistan. It is spoken by an estimated 34,410,910 people in Pakistan. It is the third most spoken language in all of Pakistan and is the official language of the province of Sindh. It is also spoken in India by some 2,820,485 speakers.[1] The government of Pakistan issues national identity cards to its citizens only in two languages, Sindhi and Urdu.
It is an Indo-Caucasian ::) language of the Indo-Iranian branch of the Indo-European language family. Its has influences from a local version of spoken form of Sanskrit and from Balochi spoken in the adjacent province of Balochistan
lol its an indo-Ar YAN language...getbig changed it to caucasian...so now ya cant say ar yan??? ::)
Interesting. The majority of young muslims on the programme seemed to have a similar attitude to yourself and you got the impression that it's pressure from their families that make them go through with it. It was frustrating seeing children suffering from congenital illnesses and their parents refusing to believe the medical evidence linking it to first cousins breeding. The cost of such children to the National Health Service is massive and is becoming a real problem in the North of England. It's going to be hard to get people to break centuries old traditions, esp when, as you said, large sums of cash are involved.
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Interesting. The majority of young muslims on the programme seemed to have a similar attitude to yourself and you got the impression that it's pressure from their families that make them go through with it. It was frustrating seeing children suffering from congenital illnesses and their parents refusing to believe the medical evidence linking it to first cousins breeding. The cost of such children to the National Health Service is massive and is becoming a real problem in the North of England. It's going to be hard to get people to break centuries old traditions, esp when, as you said, large sums of cash are involved.
but as i said...you end up suffering in the looks and IQ department...
no wonder a large majority of the UK muslim population is downright ugly and stupid...and you cant blame that for poor living conditions in the first world
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but as i said...you end up suffering in the looks and IQ department...
no wonder a large majority of the UK muslim population is downright ugly and stupid...and you cant blame that for poor living conditions in the first world
Hah! One family had four children - three of whom were blind, deaf and suffering other defects - and all the parents could say was "that it's God's will". You can't really change people's minds when they use that kind of logic.
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Hah! One family had four children - three of whom were blind, deaf and suffering other defects -
meh...problem with the UK is that you guys tolerate behavior from this low class scum that WE FRIGGIN DONT TOLERATE IN PAKISTAN...you guys allow women clad in burkas or protests against your own damn country by these brand of muslim and tolerate threats!!! :o i remember these fuckers used to venture into our neighourhoods in karachi pakistan with this brand of " i'm pissed at my own short comings and am gonna vent thru religion" islam and we'd run em off...by
1) our door man or the neighborhood security fires a few bursts in the air
2) pick one and beat the jihadi crap out of him and the rest scatter
fortunately in pakistan there r no laws protecting anyone ...including scum
unfortunately...your own laws protects scum and gives them rights and a chance to breed
and all the parents could say was "that it's God's will". You can't really change people's minds when they use that kind of logic.
your retort upon hearing this then should be " God must really hate you then" ;D