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This is just crazy. A guy with a 50-person church is affecting national security? Get the heck outta here.
Obama: Quran-burning plan is 'recruitment bonanza for al Qaeda'
By the CNN Wire Staff
September 9, 2010
(CNN) -- A plan by a small Florida church to burn Qurans on September 11, which has triggered worldwide controversy, is a "recruitment bonanza for al Qaeda," President Obama said Thursday.
"You could have serious violence in places like Pakistan or Afghanistan" as a result of the proposal by the Gainesville, Florida-based Dove World Outreach Center, Obama said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "This could increase the recruitment of individuals who'd be willing to blow themselves up in American cities, or European cities."
The Rev. Terry Jones, pastor of the Dove Center, has said he will proceed with the plan Saturday, the ninth anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks, despite increased pressure to abandon the proposal and warnings that going ahead could endanger U.S. troops and Americans worldwide.
Interpol on Thursday issued a global alert to its 188 member countries, warning of a "strong likelihood" of violent attacks if plans for the Quran burning proceed. And the FBI warned local law enforcement that the plan, along with other recent controversies involving the American Muslim community, could lead to hate crimes and encourage extremist rhetoric, although a federal law enforcement official said there was no credible information that attacks were planned.
On Wednesday, the Vatican joined a chorus of groups imploring the church not to burn Islam's holy book, saying it would be an "outrageous and grave gesture." The president of the United Nations General Assembly, Ali Abdussalam Treki, also expressed concern, saying it will "lead to uncontrollable reactions" and spark tension worldwide.
Earlier this week, the top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus, warned that the plan "could cause significant problems" for American troops overseas.
Jones has rejected the pleas, saying his message targets radical Islamists.
"The general needs to point his finger to radical Islam and tell them to shut up, tell them to stop, tell them that we will not bow our knees to them," Jones said on CNN's "AC360."
"We are burning the book," Jones said. "We are not killing someone. We are not murdering people."
Referring to Jones, Obama said Thursday, "If he's listening, I just hope he understands that what he's proposing to do is completely contrary to our values as Americans, that this country has been built on the notions of religious freedom and religious tolerance."
"And as a very practical matter, as commander in chief of the armed forces of the United States, I just want him to understand that this stunt that he is talking about pulling could greatly endanger our young men and women in uniform who are in Iraq, who are in Afghanistan. We're already seeing protests against Americans just by the mere threat ... this is a destructive act that he's engaging in."
Meanwhile, the Council on American-Islamic Relations announced an initiative called "Learn, Don't Burn" on Thursday and will distribute Qurans to replace the burned copies.
"We would like to inform the public about this book," said Nihad Awad, executive director of CAIR. "We would like to turn this challenge into an opportunity of learning. ... If they learn, they will understand. If they understand, they will respect. When they respect, they will not offend others."
He said he thought the media has paid too much attention to Jones and his "insignificant act. ... That's what he wants," Awad said. "... I'm really concerned about the priorities, sometimes, of our coverage."
Awad said he is attempting to spread the word that Jones' actions do not represent Christianity or America. "Almost everyone in America, except that particular church, has condemned his act."
Nevertheless, he said, the group is concerned that the plan may lead to hate crimes against Muslims. Cross burnings by the Ku Klux Klan were an indication of hate crimes to follow against African-Americans, he said, and Nazis started with burning books and "ended up burning people."
"We understand that there is ignorance, there is hostility, and unfortunately, this is going to be exploited by some people," Awad said.
CAIR has been working with attorneys, and no basis has been found to stop the burnings under the law, he said, but he added that if the plan is going to incite violence, the government should step in.
CAIR, a Muslim civil liberties and advocacy group, has written to Gen. James Mattis, head of the U.S. Central Command, asking for help in trying to dissuade Jones.
"The Quran burning event, while protected by the First Amendment, is not in our nation's best interests," Awad wrote in the letter. "Those who seek to harm our nation will exploit the burnings to promote their own political agenda."
Members of CAIR are traveling to Gainesville, Awad said. The group is also printing 900,000 copies of a pamphlet for Muslims on how to combat Islamophobia. Qurans will also be distributed free of charge -- an effort to educate, not proselytize, he said.
Imam Mahdi Bray, head of the Muslim-American Society, told reporters that he has just returned from Gainesville and that city officials have assured him Jones does not have a fire permit and will not receive one.
"I can assure you that on September 11, you will not see a bonfire of Qurans being burned at the Dove Church," Bray said. City officials have told him that any sort of incendiary material will violate the city code, and a fire truck will be nearby to douse any flames.
Bray said the city of Gainesville "has not given any type of support to Rev. Terry Jones." He said Jones' property is in foreclosure, the insurance has been canceled and "hateful" signs posted by the organization have been painted over by the city.
"This city is a city that wants to bring people together," he said, although Jones will "get his 15 minutes of fame as a bigot. There's no doubt about that."
The FBI visited Jones in Gainesville a few weeks ago, said Richard Westcott of the Jacksonville, Florida, bureau. He would not comment on what was discussed.
The Gainesville Students for a Democratic Society said Thursday it will be busing in students from as far away as Chicago, Illinois, and will have about 600 on hand Saturday to protest at a nearby park, then march to the church to picket the event.
"I think Terry Jones has already gotten enough attention," said group spokesman Dave Schneider. "... I think the only way to respond to that is putting Gainesville and putting the American people out there, demonstrating to the world, on the front lines, that we don't tolerate this. We don't accept this. This isn't who we are."
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is one of the few public officials who defended Jones' right to go ahead, even as he condemned the idea as "distasteful."
"I don't think he would like if somebody burned a book that in his religion he thinks is holy. ... But the First Amendment protects everybody, and you can't say that we are going to apply the First Amendment to only those cases where we are in agreement," Bloomberg said, citing the section of the Constitution that promises freedom of speech.
Right Wing Extreme, an armed Christian organization that last month withdrew its support for the event, saying it "does not glorify God," said Thursday that while it does not agree with holding the event, the Dove Center has a right to do so.
"It seems to us (the administration) is trying to find a legal way to stop this," the group's founder, Shannon Carson, told CNN. If that happens, he said, "Right Wing Extreme will be there, and we will defend their rights."
Carson said he is among those asking Jones not to hold the event. But "Terry Jones is not breaking any laws, and just because you don't agree doesn't mean you have a right to stop the event," the group said in a statement. "... The Obama administration needs to stay out of this. Our flag and Bibles are burned every day in this country. Dove has the right to burn their book, too."
The planned Quran burning has drawn sharp criticism worldwide.
The Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which is dedicated to protecting U.S. troops from religious intolerance, has promised to buy one new Quran and donate it to the Afghan National Army for each one burned in Florida.
Asked his feelings about the matter as president, Obama said, "well, it is frustrating. Now, on the other hand, we are a government of laws. And so we have to abide by those laws. And my understanding is that he can be cited for public burning, but that's the extent of the laws that we have available to us."
"You know, part of this country's history is people doing destructive or offensive or harmful things," the president said. "And yet, we still have to make sure that we're following the laws. And that's part of what I love about this country."
A Christian congregation in Germany on Thursday distanced itself from Jones, its founder and former pastor. Stephan Baar, one of the leaders of the Christian Community of Cologne, said the congregation split with Jones in 2008 over differences in the way the church was run.
"We distance ourselves very, very clearly from the actions that are taking place (in Florida) and also from the person himself, and unfortunately, we really regret what is happening there," Baar said in an interview with CNN affiliate RTL.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/09/florida.quran.burning/index.html?hpt=T1
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An opinion piece I posted in another thread sums up this "threat to national security" bullshit quite nicely.
"The Democrats and liberal media are frothing at the mouth over some lousy burning Qur’ans. But where were the stern faces and heartfelt concern for the troops’ safety from 2002-2009 when the NY Times leaked confidential secrets involving National Security, when Abu Ghraib photos were front page news every day for a year, not to mention the WikiLeaks Document Dump that poses a far greater danger to the troops than a few crispy Qur’ans.
And what about all the Qur’ans that were incinerated as insurgents blew up and continue to blow up mosques in the Middle East?
Was Hillary wearing her Muslim hijab when she offered her “unequivocal condemnation of this disrespectful, disgraceful act?” AG Eric Holder called the pastor “idiotic and dangerous,” something he refrained from saying about the Fort Hood Shooter. Gen David Petraeus repeated the same statement that I heard from the White House, “Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult.” So there’s no way to know if those were his thoughts or an Obama speechwriter’s.
Funny there is never any handwringing when Muslims insult Americans as they do on a regular basis both here an abroad."
The MSM had no qualms posting the Abu Ghraib pics in a time of war (which makes them 100% responsible for Nicholas Berg's beheading and the countless others that died in the reprisal attacks). The leaking of the Wikileaks documents (complete with the actual names of informants and the like) was a much bigger threat to national security than anything else yet they media had no gripes with posting that shit everywhere. But NOW, one man taking advantage of his constitutionally-mandated rights, is putting this country at risk? Give me a fucking break. ::)
Backing down from this koran burning now is basically giving into Sharia Law and Islamic supremacism. The Constitution supercedes the opinions of Muslims halfway across the world. If someone wants to burn Korans or bibles, they're allowed to. Plain and simple.
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Its just the ltest propoganda item for the far left.
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Its just the ltest propoganda item for the far left.
Exactly.
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do we gotta list the military and republicans who have also condemned the burning?
Boehner, haley barbour, palin, patraeus, gates...
yeah, total lib collection there ;D
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Tehran Says Israel Behind Koran-Burning Plan (and Bush's Fault)
DPA via Earthtimes ^ | Thursday, September 9, 2010
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Tehran on Thursday said that Israel was behind the plan by a United States pastor to burn copies of the Koran on the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the official news agency IRNA reported.
"The software for this plan was made by the Zionists (Israel) following their defeats against Muslims and the Islamic world," Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said in a meeting with foreign diplomats in Tehran.
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Mottaki also blamed former US President George W Bush, saying Bush's religious rhetoric after the September 11 attacks led to Islamophobia in the US.
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Ayatollah Safi Golpaygani, one of the senior clergy figures in Iran, had on Wednesday harshly condemned the Koran-burning plan and called on the US administration to arrest Terry Jones.
He further warned that if such a "gruesome and inhuman act" took place, Muslims would hold the administration of President Barack Obama responsible.
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do we gotta list the military and republicans who have also condemned the burning?
Boehner, haley barbour, palin, patraeus, gates...
yeah, total lib collection there ;D
You really are completely obsessed with Sarah no?
I am one of the few people to actually admit i like her alot. And I take heat for that all around from everyone, all around. i make no apologies for me liking her.
However, 240, honestly how can you possibly not be on the "Palin 2012 or Bust" train at this point with your obesseion with her?
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Tehran Says Israel Behind Koran-Burning Plan (and Bush's Fault)
DPA via Earthtimes ^ | Thursday, September 9, 2010
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Tehran on Thursday said that Israel was behind the plan by a United States pastor to burn copies of the Koran on the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the official news agency IRNA reported.
"The software for this plan was made by the Zionists (Israel) following their defeats against Muslims and the Islamic world," Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said in a meeting with foreign diplomats in Tehran.
SNIP
Mottaki also blamed former US President George W Bush, saying Bush's religious rhetoric after the September 11 attacks led to Islamophobia in the US.
SNIP
Ayatollah Safi Golpaygani, one of the senior clergy figures in Iran, had on Wednesday harshly condemned the Koran-burning plan and called on the US administration to arrest Terry Jones.
He further warned that if such a "gruesome and inhuman act" took place, Muslims would hold the administration of President Barack Obama responsible.
They're blaming Israel for the GZM, too. ::)
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You really are completely obsessed with Sarah no?
I am one of the few people to actually admit i like her alot. And I take heat for that all around from everyone, all around. i make no apologies for me liking her.
However, 240, honestly how can you possibly not be on the "Palin 2012 or Bust" train at this point with your obesseion with her?
This isn't about Palin.
You and BB said this was a lib thing.
I showed you five prominent repub/military who condemned this burning.
So it's not a lib thing to hate on this burning - it's a repub + dem + military thing.
So, anyone who supports it and feels it WON'T put our troops in danger must know more about these things than the top military men and top repubs in teh country. It's so awesome we have such amazing thinkers here.
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This isn't about Palin.
You and BB said this was a lib thing.
I showed you five prominent repub/military who condemned this burning.
So it's not a lib thing to hate on this burning - it's a repub + dem + military thing.
So, anyone who supports it and feels it WON'T put our troops in danger must know more about these things than the top military men and top repubs in teh country. It's so awesome we have such amazing thinkers here.
Yawn.
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This isn't about Palin.
You and BB said this was a lib thing.
I showed you five prominent repub/military who condemned this burning.
So it's not a lib thing to hate on this burning - it's a repub + dem + military thing.
So, anyone who supports it and feels it WON'T put our troops in danger must know more about these things than the top military men and top repubs in teh country. It's so awesome we have such amazing thinkers here.
First of all the pastor is an idiot!
However,for Imam Hussein Obama to condem this and applaud the building of the mosque at ground zero clearly shows how pro muslim he really is.Palin has also condemmed that as have most of the others you mentioned.Only the left supports the mosque and condems the koran burning.
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Obama could have said, and should have said, that while he disagrees with the idea of burning the Qur'an, he would defend the liberty of Americans and the principle of freedom of expression. He could have said that anyone who murders an innocent person in Pakistan or Afghanistan or anywhere else because of this is entirely responsible for the murder, and Terry Jones and the other Qur'an-burners bear no responsibility for the actions of others. He could have said that to threaten violence and to commit acts of violence because of this is irrational, it's madness -- and, for that matter, it confirms the image of Islam as a religion of violence that Obama himself is so anxious to refute.
Instead, he surrendered American principles and semaphored once again that violent intimidation works.
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So let me get this right, A "moderate" muslim is strolling along minding his own buisness, see's a headline or news broadcast of Korans being burned so he runs down to local Al Queda recruiting station and join up? What a bunch or horse shit!
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You and BB said this was a lib thing.
O Rly? Where did I say this?
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So let me get this right, A "moderate" muslim is strolling along minding his own buisness, see's a headline or news broadcast of Korans being burned so he runs down to local Al Queda recruiting station and join up? What a bunch or horse shit!
Its all nonsense.
I am Italo-American and laugh when some of the idiots scream about sopranos, mafia movies jersey shore, etc creating bigotry. Of boo freaking woo. If we had zips committing terrorism, flooding our shoeres with millions of illegals, chanting death to america, I would be the first one capping their canoli asses.
Anyone who commits violence in response to this would have committed violence anyway and is just looking for an excuse, whether its this, the cartoons, the theo van gogh thing, etc.
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O Rly? Where did I say this?
240 is projecting and setting himself up for an escape hatch to get our of yet another embarassing episode on these boards.
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sorry it was berzerker...
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sorry it was berzerker...
The liberal MSM are the ones drumming up all the attention on this. If no one had bothered to cover it then no one would know about it and thus no one would care. The fact that they haven't STFU about it for the last 5 days because of their agenda of trying to fabricate islamophobia in America is the problem, not some opportunist exercising his constitutionally-mandated rights.
These fucking moral crusaders really take the piss. The MSM had no qualms posting the Abu Ghraib photos everywhere for a year (right smack in the middle of a growing insurgency. Gee, wonder what they aimed to accomplish with that?). They had no qualms with plastering the wikileaks shit everywhere. The NY Times even posted the fucking NAMES of informants and people working with the US government over there.
Do you know how many murdered people the MSM's pro-Muslim, anti-American agenda is directly responsible for?
You think those didn't put the troops at risk? And now they're crying about some fucking pastor in Florida burning 200 Korans? Give me a fucking break.
It's bullshit and fear-mongering. Nothing more.
I do like that we in the West, where we're allowed freedom of speech, religion and expression, are now no longer allowed to do anything that might be insulting to Muslims because they might react violently. Does no one else see how fucked that is?
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Anyone who commits violence in response to this would have committed violence anyway and is just looking for an excuse, whether its this, the cartoons, the theo van gogh thing, etc.
I agree with this.
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The liberal MSM are the ones drumming up all the attention on this.
FOX has been all over it too. So has Drudge.
So i'd say it's "the liberal MSM" as well as the "fair and balanced outlets" as well.
Agree?
(I agree with your other part - they shouldn't have given this dude a minute of coverage)
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sorry it was berzerker...
O.K. No worries.
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http://nieuwsuur.nl/video/183150-volledige-interview-met-mahmoud-ahmadinejad.html (http://nieuwsuur.nl/video/183150-volledige-interview-met-mahmoud-ahmadinejad.html)
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FOX has been all over it too. So has Drudge.
So i'd say it's "the liberal MSM" as well as the "fair and balanced outlets" as well.
Agree?
(I agree with your other part - they shouldn't have given this dude a minute of coverage)
They're all culpable and will be the ones with blood on their hands. But it's organizations like the NY Times and other terrorist-supporting scumbags that are thumping their chests the loudest as they're desperately latching onto anything they can in their quest to fabricate islamophobia in this country and paint 71% of Americans are bigots. The same organizations that didn't mind plastering the Abu Ghraib photos everywhere or talking non-stop about thousands of classified documents being leaked.
And believe me, I don't watch nor follow any of these organizations. The only time I actually watch CNN is if I end up having to use one of the cardio machines that's near the TV with it on. I try to sign up near the ESPN one, though. ;D
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They're all culpable and will be the ones with blood on their hands. But it's organizations like the NY Times and other terrorist-supporting scumbags that are thumping their chests the loudest as they're desperately latching onto anything they can in their quest to fabricate islamophobia in this country and paint 71% of Americans are bigots. The same organizations that didn't mind plastering the Abu Ghraib photos everywhere or talking non-stop about thousands of classified documents being leaked.
And believe me, I don't watch nor follow any of these organizations. The only time I actually watch CNN is if I end up having to use one of the cardio machines that's near the TV with it on. I try to sign up near the ESPN one, though. ;D
agreeed dude.
i see it as a MEDIA thing, rather than a "liberal MSM" thing. FOX has been all over this nonstop also.
Hey, ya can't blame them... anything that riles up emotion is good for ratings. More $$$. Even tho this issue will likely never affect us, it's way better TV numbers than another week of "Obama STILL killing the economy, breaking news..."
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agreeed dude.
i see it as a MEDIA thing, rather than a "liberal MSM" thing. FOX has been all over this nonstop also.
Hey, ya can't blame them... anything that riles up emotion is good for ratings. More $$$. Even tho this issue will likely never affect us, it's way better TV numbers than another week of "Obama STILL killing the economy, breaking news..."
I dont get how this is an issue.There are 50 members of this fools church.Who cares?
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cause this crap will get 50 mil views on youtube... and that might mean 50 more jihadists get up and pick up a bomb vest.
unless patraeus, gates, palin, boehnner, are all wrong?
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Where were all these disgusting savages after 9/11 protesting the acts committed in their name?
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agreeed dude.
i see it as a MEDIA thing, rather than a "liberal MSM" thing. FOX has been all over this nonstop also.
Hey, ya can't blame them... anything that riles up emotion is good for ratings. More $$$. Even tho this issue will likely never affect us, it's way better TV numbers than another week of "Obama STILL killing the economy, breaking news..."
I say liberal MSM thing because for once I don't think Fox is pushing an agenda on this. They're just covering it because it's now a big story. However, the liberal MSM is pushing an agenda on this. They're trying to parlay this into their "growing islamophobia in America" agenda because they've got nothing else to go on. Their coverage of this usually follows with some fallacious rant from 'Honest' Ibe Hooper or some other CAIR scumbag screaming about non-existent islamphobia in this country and how oppressed Muslims in America are or some other bs.
Where were all these disgusting savages after 9/11 protesting the acts committed in their name?
;D ;D ;D
I believe you could find most of them dancing in the streets and handing out candy to celebrate it.
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I can't believe this asshole actually commented on this.
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Obama has to comment of everything, he just can't help himself.
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I can't believe this asshole actually commented on this.
Is this evidence that 2nd is moving toward the dark side?
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Is this evidence that 2nd is moving toward the dark side?
meh..
He doesnt need to address shit like this.
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I knew it was too good to be true.
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I knew it was too good to be true.
People like Obama make me laugh -
these are the same people who expected Christians to exhibit tolerance when taxpayers funded "Piss Christ", "Mary w Feces" all over her, flag burnings, etc.
Yet the minute someone burns the koran its the end of the world.
Screw these bums.
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Crazy pastor just canceled the Quran burning.
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Yeah it appears he was going to be billed for extra security that would need to be provided. When the green is involved things change
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Good. Was a dumb idea anyway.
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Yeah it appears he was going to be billed for extra security that would need to be provided. When the green is involved things change
I'm sure the jack boots also scared the crap out of him.
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And still the Muslims stand steadfast in their quest to build a mosque at GZ. Time for some reciprocity and to show the world that you are actually as tolerant as you claim. I won't be holding my breath, though.
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And still the Muslims stand steadfast in their quest to build a mosque at GZ. Time for some reciprocity and to show the world that you are actually as tolerant as you claim. I won't be holding my breath, though.
lol
See! We were gonna burn their holy book but then we said we wouldn't, so why won't they move the thing?! Can't they see how civilized and tolerant we are!?
That was pretty damn funny.
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You planning to bump every post I've made today? I figured you would be butt-hurt after that rage-filled post you made after embarrassing yourself last night.
Any other gems of opinionated, uninformed wisdom that you feel like bequeathing us with today? Perhaps your superior knowledge of Islam, gained from your dealings with 1 Muslim, can enlighten us all. I know you're not fond of facts or anything but give it a whirl, stud.
Please continue to make a fool of yourself, though. It's quite amusing.
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People like Obama make me laugh -
these are the same people who expected Christians to exhibit tolerance when taxpayers funded "Piss Christ", "Mary w Feces" all over her, flag burnings, etc.
Yet the minute someone burns the koran its the end of the world.
Screw these bums.
BUMP
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You planning to bump every post I've made today? I figured you would be butt-hurt after that rage-filled post you made after embarrassing yourself last night.
Any other gems of opinionated, uninformed wisdom that you feel like bequeathing us with today? Perhaps your superior knowledge of Islam, gained from your dealings with 1 Muslim, can enlighten us all. I know you're not fond of facts or anything but give it a whirl, stud.
lol!
Youre king of the internets man.
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lol!
Youre king of the internets man.
Don't beat yourself up too much. I'll give you credit. Your attempt to bait someone into making a genocidal comment the other day was amusing. Too bad you're too stupid to make it less blatant.
How'd the work out for you? Not well, you say? About as well as your opinionated retorts that don't actually refute anything?
Carry on, court jester.
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Obama is looking like a bigger fool day in and day out.
The double standards and hypocrisy of this fool, and everyone who supports him are so glaring and obvious its not even funny any more.
On the Mosque - "Let me be clear, Muslims have a legal to build it but I wont speak to the appropriateness of placing it at ground zero"
On the Koran burning "Let me be clear, this is inappropriate and againat our values, but I won't speak to the legality of it"
Do you fools realize how inconsistent this jackass is?
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The government is taking away more and more of our freedom every day. As stupid as it is to burn a stack of books, it is great to see the Obama administration so upset, yet unable to stop the pastor. This administration doesn't know how to react when it can't control it's citizens. The idea that we have to walk on eggshells out of fear of retaliation by the minority is ridiculous.
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i am not sure what ppl want obama to do here.
33, what SHOULD obama have done about the GZ mosque and the book burning thing?
(IMO, if he was coming out and shutting them down, you'd have ppl screaming about the govt limiting freedoms)
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i am not sure what ppl want obama to do here.
33, what SHOULD obama have done about the GZ mosque and the book burning thing?
(IMO, if he was coming out and shutting them down, you'd have ppl screaming about the govt limiting freedoms)
He should have said both have a legal right to do it, but both are inappropriate and should not be done solely out of a sense of common decency.
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He should have said both have a legal right to do it, but both are inappropriate and should not be done solely out of a sense of common decency.
okay - so to be clear - you have no problem with his INACTION on this - but weeks later - you are still upset that his words weren't specific enough?
This is why it's hard to take chenge repubs seriously... you're offended 2 weeks later by someone's words - not because the president didn't act, as you agree with him on that - but because he didn't word his statement carefully enough.
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okay - so to be clear - you have no problem with his INACTION on this - but weeks later - you are still upset that his words weren't specific enough?
This is why it's hard to take chenge repubs seriously... you're offended 2 weeks later by someone's words - not because the president didn't act, as you agree with him on that - but because he didn't word his statement carefully enough.
Oh freaking placse 240 - stop the stupid act, its unbecoming.
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Oh freaking placse 240 - stop the stupid act, its unbecoming.
Since you call the president a communist and socialist I find it really strange he can't stop a thing like this just by giving the order to stop it.It should be a really simple thing to do. So much for your theory.. ::)
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Since you call the president a communist and socialist I find it really strange he can't stop a thing like this just by giving the order to stop it.It should be a really simple thing to do. So much for your theory.. ::)
I have backed up my claims many times.
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Since you call the president a communist and socialist I find it really strange he can't stop a thing like this just by giving the order to stop it.It should be a really simple thing to do. So much for your theory.. ::)
Obama hasn't completely abolished the constitution, but he's working on it. If Eric Holder could file a lawsuit against the pastor, he'd be all over it. I'm sure this administration is thinking of every legal angle to control future "book burnings".
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Obama hasn't completely abolished the constitution, but he's working on it. If Eric Holder could file a lawsuit against the pastor, he'd be all over it. I'm sure this administration is thinking of every legal angle to control future "book burnings".
A communist dictator would not need to consult with anyone. Period. He would just give the order to stop anything or start anything. He would be the ultimate authority in the country.
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i am not sure what ppl want obama to do here.
33, what SHOULD obama have done about the GZ mosque and the book burning thing?
(IMO, if he was coming out and shutting them down, you'd have ppl screaming about the govt limiting freedoms)
Kept his trap shut, would be a good start, he just doesn't seem to understand that every issue is not the domain of the federal government.
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A communist dictator would not need to consult with anyone. Period. He would just give the order to stop anything or start anything. He would be the ultimate authority in the country.
Here is the difference Danny: